I know there is wanting to keep the Klingon war front going but if your fleet already has a fed star base and Klingon base but most of your team mates insist on playing fed in a small fleet and want to cross invite Klingon char's to do stf's at least will that be an be an option because it's really hard to get things done if you are the only one doing them and I just enjoy playing my Klingon char a lot and also grinding out the basically same story line's with my kdf is so tedious and boring as well hopefully we can cross faction fleet join
make the game more fun and enjoyable for all thanks
I always thought that the Romulan faction should have access to Humans and Klingons due to both the Federation and Klingon Empire helping out on New Romulus. But this is a different faction people will say, and although this is true there would be mercenaries that would hear about the Romulan Republic through word-of-mouth and reputation.
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I always thought that the Romulan faction should have access to Humans and Klingons due to both the Federation and Klingon Empire helping out on New Romulus. But this is a different faction people will say, and although this is true there would be mercenaries that would hear about the Romulan Republic through word-of-mouth and reputation.
That is interesting.
Maybe maxing a Fed in Romulan rep should unlock Vulcans and humans for the RR. Maxing a Klingon should unlock Klingons and Orions. Maxing a Romulan in Romulan rep unlocks Remans. And have an account accolade for all three that unlocks a blinged version of the Senator's robes from the embassy and Romuan and Reman species for Fed and KDF.
You answered your own question linyive. But, dstahl is not saying "two things at once". Roms are their own faction, but they do not have starbases. Cryptic doesn't want ppl to have to rebuild new starbases when it is so costly and such a huge investment. And so they made the full faction Rom's dependant on other faction's starbases. Full faction without a starbase. Needing to ally with a like minded faction so they can depend on the protection and resources of their ally's starbase.
Oh, okay.
As I recently said in another thread... As long as Cryptic advertises the upgrade's features clearly, I will have no problem with getting a mini-faction. Regardless about the faction's overall size, I am just happy to play as a Romulan. I think this will be a fun experience.
Plus, the Romulans in "Star Trek: the Next Generation" aligned themselves with the Klingons, so the logic behind choosing an ally makes sense.
I always thought that the Romulan faction should have access to Humans and Klingons due to both the Federation and Klingon Empire helping out on New Romulus. But this is a different faction people will say, and although this is true there would be mercenaries that would hear about the Romulan Republic through word-of-mouth and reputation.
One can actually make an argument for Human characters being unlockable (one way, another way or a third way - although since that third way already has the Aliens, probably not that way) - supposedly, we'll start before the Romulan Republic's establishment (that is to say, before Romulan Mystery), which (contrary to assertions I've seen repeated despite this having been pointed out) handily explains why Star Empire xenophobia would be relevant to what characters can be Romulan Republicans... but what races have we seen serving in the Romulan imperial military over the years, above the level of cannon fodder (thereby indicating a degree of integration and acceptance to them)? Romulans, a half-Romulan... and humans. Two of them, in fact (one a defected Starfleet ensign wearing the uniform of a Romulan and implied to have experience serving in the Romulan navy, the other a victorious general of the Remans that - with support from the Romulan military and elements in the Senate, I might add - pulled off a coup and made himself Praetor).
Some people are upset that they won't get to play an independent Romulan faction - what makes me shake my head in despair is the waste - all that money, all those hours worked so they can make a big splash on websites about a 'new faction' and underneath, the game remains *exactly the same*
It may seem like a waste to you and me (I'd have preferred all that effort went to making more STFs) but to Cryptic's marketing its a net gain. FOr a brief moment they maaged to make STO and more importantly Cryptic (with the upcoming NWO) a relevant company in the MMO market.
All the people who'd had previous disappointing experiences with Cryptic and all the people who'd heard of how disappointing Cryptic is just got a big hyped up marketing campaign trying to reverse those opinions. That was the real point of all this, that and whatever few Romulan fans sign up to play STO. At best it'll represent short term sales but I don't see the romulan "faction" having legs so it'd bet from now untul they need another marketing boost all we'll get is faction neutral stuff, much as we have been.
Don't forget -- Cryptic has also said this would be model for future factions, like Cardassians.
Errr... are we reading the same Ask Cryptic?
Dstahl: Legacy of Romulus definitely opens up the door to adding new factions in the future and ultimately puts STO one step closer to a living Star Trek galaxy.
That does NOT say this will be the model for the Cardassians. It doesn't say much of anything.
Oh, and Dstahl, I have to congratulate you. Once again you have given a response without actually answering the question. You're living up to your company's name! Well done! :rolleyes:
Otherwise, very interested by what I read. Can't wait for May!
Im not a Romulan loyalist. Ive got no issues with the Republic concept and decisions you've made so far. Im a casual, just playing for Star Trek story. Look up my account to see how Ive spent in your game.
So, beyond what you have in the can for this update, what are Cryptic's plans for advancing the storyline fairly between now three factions? I havnt even taken my only Klink out of the shipyard yet. Im not interested in playing KDF flavored Fed missions, and thats mostly what KDF is so far I assume. I plan on creating ONE Romulan to experience this prequal story of theirs. But after that, what incentive is there for me to keep going once my Romulan gets Back to the Future of 2410? If you all are just going to write Fed missions, then flavor one KDF and one Romulan, I have no interest in that, as Ive already played that with my main Fed toon. If thats the plan, you wont tempt me to buy Romulan clothes, DOFFs, ships, etc. I will let her wilt and die.
Personally, Id like to see you all make three separate missions, one for each faction, bundled three at a time, or better yet two each for 6 eps released at a time. They can all play off each other to advance the STO timeline, but dont all HAVE to be played. So if a player wants to just play Fed, and keep his Fed colored lenses on, he can. But if he wants to see what the KDF and Romulans are doing, and how THEY are handling the current universe dilema facing all three of them, he will want to play those two factions too for maximum story enjoyment. If this is not what you have in mind for the future story advancement of these three factions in this game, then as EP, please explain why my idea for fair story content release wouldnt work. I wont spend money as a Romulan or KDF until I see story compelling reasons to keep those toons fresh and well equiped. Some assurances from you now and your gameplan going forward would go a long way in making players believe KDF and or Romulans are factions worth spending money for.
Oh, so now all of a sudden Dan's quiet. I asked an easy question. That he refuses to answer says a lot too.
The real problem here is just how Star Trek is the heart of most STO players? Answer: Not very. If you HAD a strong Star Trek heart, you would be fine with the Romulans overcoming their deceitful past and trying to be more honorable. Thats what Star Trek is about. Im totally fine with the approach I see coming. But many die hard Romulan fans, who want the faction to stay in the Cold War days they saw and loved on TNG want the faction to come out of the gates fully Romulan and not watered down. I get that. But apparently Cryptic doesnt. Dan says they make decisions because its a GAME and not a Tv show. True Dan. But if thats the case, game logic dictates that you MUST release Romulans as the dirty under handed Cold War Russians that they were for people to enjoy playing as that faction long term and PAY for quality of life improvements in that faction. Someone said it earlier, Cryptic is NOT in touch with the pulse of its player majority. I for one dont care either way, Im a loyal Fed. Which is why Ive barely touched the Klingon toon I started.
The Romulan fans complaining here are right in their complaints. And all thats going to happen to any returning or new player once they get in game is all the disgruntled Romulans telling them how short changed and half factioned they are, and will just run those players off again. Any surplus in Romulan players is going to be short lived when Cold war loving Romulan fans see they've become Make Love not War Hippies now.
Maybe you can blame Denise Crosby. Maybe she only agreed to come back if they went with her vision of making Romulans peaceful. When I first heard that approach, I thought yeah right, we all see that turn coming, Romulans will just go back to their Russian selves. But now, looking at the venom coming from Romulan fans, Cryptic better PRAY they put the turn back in and put it in FAST to get the Romulans back to their TNG selves.
I know it would kill the story surprise, but Dan has a very Prime Directive breaking Captain Picard decision to make here. If they HAVE prepared to turn Romulans back to the Cold war mindset, but just cant tell us now, they risk running off more players and the new ones who will only see Hippie Romulans for the next few months. Or Dan can break the Prime Directive and spoil it now by saying YES, there is a Romulan turn coming and TNG Rommies that you love are coming back.
But, we all know Dan Stahl is no Jean-Luc Picard, willing to break the Prime Directive for the good of the people. Lets face it STO players, STO will always be a Major League IP run by a Double A dev team and Executive Producer.
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Oh, so now all of a sudden Dan's quiet. I asked an easy question. That he refuses to answer says a lot too.
It's the weekend and since now they even work on Saturdays it makes Sunday their only free day of the week. If you expected a dev. forum response on their only free day of the week you have been misslead. If you're lucky, you'll get it answered from tommorow, if the question doesn't get lost in the swarm of posts.
There's still a lot of speculation going into the rage here. The biggest question is how much the "choosing a side" action impacts the story progression.
The way I interpret what's been put out, is that there are a quantity of romulan story missions on par with fed or kdf, and your alliance determines just where you fall in fleets and stf queues and what not (maybe the perspective you play the featured episodes from?). If there only 5 levels if romulan story and then you just play your ally's missions, then yes it would suck, but the indication isn't necessarily that that's how it will be.
Also, I don't see indication that a romulan captain could fly an excelsior or the like. The question in the ask article asks about lockbox ships and consoles, so the only weird bit would be romulans with wells or krenns.
It seems to me there's still a lot of panic over speculated info which is probably being blown out of proportion.
It's the weekend and since now they even work on Saturdays it makes Sunday their only free day of the week. If you expected a dev. forum response on their only free day of the week you have been misslead. If you're lucky, you'll get it answered from tommorow, if the question doesn't get lost in the swarm of posts.
This, and also expecting anyone to answer every single solitary question posed to them is kinda stupid of you.
Your question not being addressed directly is proof of nothing.
will the free romulan war birds have cloking devices like the one for kdf and will u be making other factions like cardi and hirogen and species 8472 and domion
There's still a lot of speculation going into the rage here. The biggest question is how much the "choosing a side" action impacts the story progression.
The way I interpret what's been put out, is that there are a quantity of romulan story missions on par with fed or kdf, and your alliance determines just where you fall in fleets and stf queues and what not (maybe the perspective you play the featured episodes from?). If there only 5 levels if romulan story and then you just play your ally's missions, then yes it would suck, but the indication isn't necessarily that that's how it will be.
Also, I don't see indication that a romulan captain could fly an excelsior or the like. The question in the ask article asks about lockbox ships and consoles, so the only weird bit would be romulans with wells or krenns.
It seems to me there's still a lot of panic over speculated info which is probably being blown out of proportion.
Well, it's a bit more complicated than that from reading the dev tracker.
Which Alliance you choose will alter the enemies you fight in Romulan missions. As Stahl notes, you can level without choosing an Alliance but will have to replay level 1-10 content, as the choice needs to be made to determine whether you fight Feds or KDF in your Romulan missions.
From there, the Romulan exclusive content dries up at level 40 and you do Featured Episode series to finish.
And you can fly, at the minimum, any C-Store ships for your allied faction, which would include the Excelsior. But you do get extra ships on top of those ships that are Romulan only. And given what we've seen with the Romulan Bridge officers, flying a ship without a cloak would probably amount to some wasted potential. Which means that your best Romulans will probably be commanding Romulan ships, Klingon ships, Defiants and Galaxy-X's.
Unless they do something like allowing Romulan characters to install a cloak on any ship. Which might be a cool perk as long as it uses a console.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
KDF started that way and they still have their own independent faction, I would gladly take no starbases for a while and still be able to make fleets on team Green. The fleet I joined was willing to start over again with a Romulan Starbase but that not going to happen now.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
I think if they'd delivered that - with the intent of finishing it off later - then Romulan players wouldn't have been so upset.
(Not) being able to form fleets (not starbases) is a big deal - as is not being able to do cross-faction teaming. Doffing - well, they could have just omitted the Diplomacy/Marauding missions until a suitable replacement was implemented.
But a truly separate faction would have required multiple PvP queues and/or 3-way PvP/PvE and that's something Cryptic just isn't willing to mess with.
It all smacks of Cryptic having their cake and eating it - they get to market a new faction, get to introduce new cross-faction Romulan ships and most importantly, quickly level the end-game playing field so that any future updates can be 'one size fits all'.
I love this whole choose your side. I have way to much time invested in the Starbase. Now I can make my new Romulan Character and have them join the Fleet. Awesome. Without it being like this I would not make another character. It would have just taken way too long to get to the very nice Fleet stuff that I have now. Of coarse, I'll be more apt to spend money this way too. Well, I guess they have to pay the bills somehow:D Anyway, everthing about this is so appealing.
I think if they'd delivered that - with the intent of finishing it off later - then Romulan players wouldn't have been so upset.
(Not) being able to form fleets (not starbases) is a big deal - as is not being able to do cross-faction teaming. Doffing - well, they could have just omitted the Diplomacy/Marauding missions until a suitable replacement was implemented.
But a truly separate faction would have required multiple PvP queues and/or 3-way PvP/PvE and that's something Cryptic just isn't willing to mess with.
It all smacks of Cryptic having their cake and eating it - they get to market a new faction, get to introduce new cross-faction Romulan ships and most importantly, quickly level the end-game playing field so that any future updates can be 'one size fits all'.
Why would you think the Romulans would have any right to participate in a war between the Federation and Klingon Empire when the whole point of the outrage is that the Romulan players don't like the idea of allying with either one, but want to be apart? Romulan players would simply not have access to PVP queues, which are only a sub-part of the game anyway.
And the devs have said the development of the Romulans into a more independent faction is a possibility down the road, just not in the workable timeframe of May. Now, if you'd rather they put off playing Romulans for another two years while they get everything ready, then that could also be an option.
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
Why would you think the Romulans would have any right to participate in a war between the Federation and Klingon Empire when the whole point of the outrage is that the Romulan players don't like the idea of allying with either one, but want to be apart? Romulan players would simply not have access to PVP queues, which are only a sub-part of the game anyway.
And the devs have said the development of the Romulans into a more independent faction is a possibility down the road, just not in the workable timeframe of May. Now, if you'd rather they put off playing Romulans for another two years while they get everything ready, then that could also be an option.
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
3 way pvp and territory control etc would be good for pvp and good for the game and that's rom vs fed vs kdf. not fed+rom vs kdf+rom
Why would you think the Romulans would have any right to participate in a war between the Federation and Klingon Empire when the whole point of the outrage is that the Romulan players don't like the idea of allying with either one, but want to be apart? Romulan players would simply not have access to PVP queues, which are only a sub-part of the game anyway.
And the devs have said the development of the Romulans into a more independent faction is a possibility down the road, just not in the workable timeframe of May. Now, if you'd rather they put off playing Romulans for another two years while they get everything ready, then that could also be an option.
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
They can say that they can work on getting fleets and starbases in for the future for Romulans, the big problem with that is that once players playing Romulans go off into two other factions and get into existing fleets with established starbases and level their Romulans up, not many will want to leave their fleets and start over down the road. You cant split up a player base then try pull them back together again. Now would of been the time to get Romulans started on their own fleets and starbases while people are rolling Romulans in a new independent faction. Reality is this is what they chose not to do and it will most likely stay that way.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
Like the Romulan Alliance System? Of course you do, it sounds fine to you because you aren't Romulans, you're FED or KDF who are going to make a Romulan alt, it makes a HUGE difference in perspective.
Why would you think the Romulans would have any right to participate in a war between the Federation and Klingon Empire when the whole point of the outrage is that the Romulan players don't like the idea of allying with either one, but want to be apart? Romulan players would simply not have access to PVP queues, which are only a sub-part of the game anyway.
I'm not going to concoct an off-the-cuff reason for their participation in the KDF/Fed war but with the Tal'shiar collaborating/being manipulated by the Iconians, I'm sure you could come up with all kinds of scenarios for Romulan skirmishes with the Klingons and the Feds - any one of which would likely be more credible than Fed-allied Romulan Republic ships going up against KDF-allied ones.
And the devs have said the development of the Romulans into a more independent faction is a possibility down the road, just not in the workable timeframe of May. Now, if you'd rather they put off playing Romulans for another two years while they get everything ready, then that could also be an option.
You'll just have to forgive (or not) my skepticism on that given the treatment of the KDF since launch. I hope for those players that have wanted a standalone Romulan faction since this game launched that it materializes for them at some point - I'm certainly not advocating putting off the introduction of Romulans for another 2 years though - but by rushing it (and that's what they're doing) they're making decisions that may permanently bind the Romulans to a host faction (Stahl has stated that this is going to remain a two-faction game).
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
Well since you don't get to join the Feds/KDF until level 10 I'm assuming Romulan Boffs at the least will be in place (I hope so anyway).
That would have made me happy, I'd have even been willing to swallow the decision to temporarily pick a side in the conflict.
I think that is where they are going with this that the alliance with the Fed
or KDF is only temporary until CRYPTIC can things fixed for more then
two faction I hope I'm right about this but we can only wait and see.
there is a minority of lazy players that they are catering too. with the whole 'thank you so much I didn't want the hassle of levelling another starbase' and actually playing the game etc :eek:. some of it maybe a grind but most of it is fleet action and stfs. the fact you have to play to progress something related to your faction when you reach the end of the game is pretty important. since all fleet gear is only for max level as far as I know. building your own factions starbase makes it part of your identity as a faction now. it's end game for the current 2 factions so it should end game for the so called '3rd faction' the romulans.
they shouldn't be piggy backing to the top of another factions work nor help build another factions starbase and most certainly shouldn't be flying another factions ships.
since people and the devs have this poor attitude towards playing the game. they shouldn't make feds have to level a kdf starbase for their alts. or visa versa :P
if it was a fair system romulans would be on there own as a faction, have to form their own fleets and build their own starbase from scratch. if we don't we wont be marching beneath the raptors wings!
I think that is where they are going with this that the alliance with the Fed
or KDF is only temporary until CRYPTIC can things fixed for more then
two faction I hope I'm right about this but we can only wait and see.
Mr. Stahl already said in this very thread that Cryptic is "putting down stakes" that this is a two faction game.
If they want to make us pick a side while playing through a storyline during leveling, that's their choice I suppose. At that point we're supposed to be refugees. Kinda shameful but whatever. But what happens at endgame?
When the Romulan captains are max level and major forces in the quadrant, taking on borg and tholians and everyone else, what happens then?
How do you reunite the Romulan captains and stop them from feeling like they're still just refugees dependent on foreign aid?
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make the game more fun and enjoyable for all thanks
That is interesting.
Maybe maxing a Fed in Romulan rep should unlock Vulcans and humans for the RR. Maxing a Klingon should unlock Klingons and Orions. Maxing a Romulan in Romulan rep unlocks Remans. And have an account accolade for all three that unlocks a blinged version of the Senator's robes from the embassy and Romuan and Reman species for Fed and KDF.
As I recently said in another thread... As long as Cryptic advertises the upgrade's features clearly, I will have no problem with getting a mini-faction. Regardless about the faction's overall size, I am just happy to play as a Romulan. I think this will be a fun experience.
Plus, the Romulans in "Star Trek: the Next Generation" aligned themselves with the Klingons, so the logic behind choosing an ally makes sense.
It may seem like a waste to you and me (I'd have preferred all that effort went to making more STFs) but to Cryptic's marketing its a net gain. FOr a brief moment they maaged to make STO and more importantly Cryptic (with the upcoming NWO) a relevant company in the MMO market.
All the people who'd had previous disappointing experiences with Cryptic and all the people who'd heard of how disappointing Cryptic is just got a big hyped up marketing campaign trying to reverse those opinions. That was the real point of all this, that and whatever few Romulan fans sign up to play STO. At best it'll represent short term sales but I don't see the romulan "faction" having legs so it'd bet from now untul they need another marketing boost all we'll get is faction neutral stuff, much as we have been.
Errr... are we reading the same Ask Cryptic?
That does NOT say this will be the model for the Cardassians. It doesn't say much of anything.
Oh, and Dstahl, I have to congratulate you. Once again you have given a response without actually answering the question. You're living up to your company's name! Well done! :rolleyes:
Otherwise, very interested by what I read. Can't wait for May!
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Oh, so now all of a sudden Dan's quiet. I asked an easy question. That he refuses to answer says a lot too.
The real problem here is just how Star Trek is the heart of most STO players? Answer: Not very. If you HAD a strong Star Trek heart, you would be fine with the Romulans overcoming their deceitful past and trying to be more honorable. Thats what Star Trek is about. Im totally fine with the approach I see coming. But many die hard Romulan fans, who want the faction to stay in the Cold War days they saw and loved on TNG want the faction to come out of the gates fully Romulan and not watered down. I get that. But apparently Cryptic doesnt. Dan says they make decisions because its a GAME and not a Tv show. True Dan. But if thats the case, game logic dictates that you MUST release Romulans as the dirty under handed Cold War Russians that they were for people to enjoy playing as that faction long term and PAY for quality of life improvements in that faction. Someone said it earlier, Cryptic is NOT in touch with the pulse of its player majority. I for one dont care either way, Im a loyal Fed. Which is why Ive barely touched the Klingon toon I started.
The Romulan fans complaining here are right in their complaints. And all thats going to happen to any returning or new player once they get in game is all the disgruntled Romulans telling them how short changed and half factioned they are, and will just run those players off again. Any surplus in Romulan players is going to be short lived when Cold war loving Romulan fans see they've become Make Love not War Hippies now.
Maybe you can blame Denise Crosby. Maybe she only agreed to come back if they went with her vision of making Romulans peaceful. When I first heard that approach, I thought yeah right, we all see that turn coming, Romulans will just go back to their Russian selves. But now, looking at the venom coming from Romulan fans, Cryptic better PRAY they put the turn back in and put it in FAST to get the Romulans back to their TNG selves.
I know it would kill the story surprise, but Dan has a very Prime Directive breaking Captain Picard decision to make here. If they HAVE prepared to turn Romulans back to the Cold war mindset, but just cant tell us now, they risk running off more players and the new ones who will only see Hippie Romulans for the next few months. Or Dan can break the Prime Directive and spoil it now by saying YES, there is a Romulan turn coming and TNG Rommies that you love are coming back.
But, we all know Dan Stahl is no Jean-Luc Picard, willing to break the Prime Directive for the good of the people. Lets face it STO players, STO will always be a Major League IP run by a Double A dev team and Executive Producer.
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then it's looking like an awful model and I wouldn't bother. if they are just going to trash the star trek universe with nonsense
Well, the Remans use Romulan ships, just slightly modified (i.e. painted jet back), so yeah, you get them.
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In Cold Blood
It's the weekend and since now they even work on Saturdays it makes Sunday their only free day of the week. If you expected a dev. forum response on their only free day of the week you have been misslead. If you're lucky, you'll get it answered from tommorow, if the question doesn't get lost in the swarm of posts.
The way I interpret what's been put out, is that there are a quantity of romulan story missions on par with fed or kdf, and your alliance determines just where you fall in fleets and stf queues and what not (maybe the perspective you play the featured episodes from?). If there only 5 levels if romulan story and then you just play your ally's missions, then yes it would suck, but the indication isn't necessarily that that's how it will be.
Also, I don't see indication that a romulan captain could fly an excelsior or the like. The question in the ask article asks about lockbox ships and consoles, so the only weird bit would be romulans with wells or krenns.
It seems to me there's still a lot of panic over speculated info which is probably being blown out of proportion.
This, and also expecting anyone to answer every single solitary question posed to them is kinda stupid of you.
Your question not being addressed directly is proof of nothing.
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Well, it's a bit more complicated than that from reading the dev tracker.
Which Alliance you choose will alter the enemies you fight in Romulan missions. As Stahl notes, you can level without choosing an Alliance but will have to replay level 1-10 content, as the choice needs to be made to determine whether you fight Feds or KDF in your Romulan missions.
From there, the Romulan exclusive content dries up at level 40 and you do Featured Episode series to finish.
And you can fly, at the minimum, any C-Store ships for your allied faction, which would include the Excelsior. But you do get extra ships on top of those ships that are Romulan only. And given what we've seen with the Romulan Bridge officers, flying a ship without a cloak would probably amount to some wasted potential. Which means that your best Romulans will probably be commanding Romulan ships, Klingon ships, Defiants and Galaxy-X's.
Unless they do something like allowing Romulan characters to install a cloak on any ship. Which might be a cool perk as long as it uses a console.
Maybe the devs should just go ahead and let the playerbase play Romulans as a stand-alone, unsupported faction within the STO Universe, if they want it so badly.
No Starbases, no ports of call outside DS9 and Drozana, no Doff or Boffs aside from the handful of independent ones available to all factions, no ships except the few designed so far for the Romulans, no being a member of any but a Romulan player Fleet (and the mandatory loss of any fleets the player might have been a part of), no entry into Federation or Klingon space systems.
I guess that would make all the Romulan players happy.
that and three-way PVP
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KDF started that way and they still have their own independent faction, I would gladly take no starbases for a while and still be able to make fleets on team Green. The fleet I joined was willing to start over again with a Romulan Starbase but that not going to happen now.
I think if they'd delivered that - with the intent of finishing it off later - then Romulan players wouldn't have been so upset.
(Not) being able to form fleets (not starbases) is a big deal - as is not being able to do cross-faction teaming. Doffing - well, they could have just omitted the Diplomacy/Marauding missions until a suitable replacement was implemented.
But a truly separate faction would have required multiple PvP queues and/or 3-way PvP/PvE and that's something Cryptic just isn't willing to mess with.
It all smacks of Cryptic having their cake and eating it - they get to market a new faction, get to introduce new cross-faction Romulan ships and most importantly, quickly level the end-game playing field so that any future updates can be 'one size fits all'.
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Why would you think the Romulans would have any right to participate in a war between the Federation and Klingon Empire when the whole point of the outrage is that the Romulan players don't like the idea of allying with either one, but want to be apart? Romulan players would simply not have access to PVP queues, which are only a sub-part of the game anyway.
And the devs have said the development of the Romulans into a more independent faction is a possibility down the road, just not in the workable timeframe of May. Now, if you'd rather they put off playing Romulans for another two years while they get everything ready, then that could also be an option.
I am also not sure how happy the Romulan players would be flying ships without any BOFFs to equip them with. Now, they could clone some of the BOFFs they have, but that would be no different than what seems to be will happen now...Romulan captains using Fed and KDF BOFFs, with the additional need for new artwork.
3 way pvp and territory control etc would be good for pvp and good for the game and that's rom vs fed vs kdf. not fed+rom vs kdf+rom
They can say that they can work on getting fleets and starbases in for the future for Romulans, the big problem with that is that once players playing Romulans go off into two other factions and get into existing fleets with established starbases and level their Romulans up, not many will want to leave their fleets and start over down the road. You cant split up a player base then try pull them back together again. Now would of been the time to get Romulans started on their own fleets and starbases while people are rolling Romulans in a new independent faction. Reality is this is what they chose not to do and it will most likely stay that way.
I'm not going to concoct an off-the-cuff reason for their participation in the KDF/Fed war but with the Tal'shiar collaborating/being manipulated by the Iconians, I'm sure you could come up with all kinds of scenarios for Romulan skirmishes with the Klingons and the Feds - any one of which would likely be more credible than Fed-allied Romulan Republic ships going up against KDF-allied ones.
You'll just have to forgive (or not) my skepticism on that given the treatment of the KDF since launch. I hope for those players that have wanted a standalone Romulan faction since this game launched that it materializes for them at some point - I'm certainly not advocating putting off the introduction of Romulans for another 2 years though - but by rushing it (and that's what they're doing) they're making decisions that may permanently bind the Romulans to a host faction (Stahl has stated that this is going to remain a two-faction game).
Well since you don't get to join the Feds/KDF until level 10 I'm assuming Romulan Boffs at the least will be in place (I hope so anyway).
I think that is where they are going with this that the alliance with the Fed
or KDF is only temporary until CRYPTIC can things fixed for more then
two faction I hope I'm right about this but we can only wait and see.
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they shouldn't be piggy backing to the top of another factions work nor help build another factions starbase and most certainly shouldn't be flying another factions ships.
since people and the devs have this poor attitude towards playing the game. they shouldn't make feds have to level a kdf starbase for their alts. or visa versa :P
if it was a fair system romulans would be on there own as a faction, have to form their own fleets and build their own starbase from scratch. if we don't we wont be marching beneath the raptors wings!
Mr. Stahl already said in this very thread that Cryptic is "putting down stakes" that this is a two faction game.
It's not going to happen.
When the Romulan captains are max level and major forces in the quadrant, taking on borg and tholians and everyone else, what happens then?
How do you reunite the Romulan captains and stop them from feeling like they're still just refugees dependent on foreign aid?