For the benefit of you - it is polite to be thankful to people. It may not be out yet but it is coming out and without them at all you wouldn't have a game full stop. I can see your complete disregard for manners by how you responded to my post.
I have posted my opinion which is just as valid as yours and I have done so without laying into anyone else. I would suggest that if you are going to respond to people like that you take a pause and re consider posting altogether.
Also I am not a Cryptic appologist. I have had my own issues that I have brought up with them but that doesn't excuse being rude whether it be towards Cryptic or myself.
I for one am not surprised as to how they are rolling out the Romulan faction. I always thought that if they were added they might be more like Death Knights in WoW. Death Knights are a faction in WoW, they have their own unique mounts, citadel and origin story. However, Death Knights are also asked to seek aid in fighting from either the Alliance or Horde.
I am thrilled that this is how they've chosen to implement the Romulan faction. My fed fleet is JUST now getting near T5 on fleet building. I would HATE to have to start from scratch all over.
Romulans picking sides makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that the Romulan story is meant to be a prequel to the events in New Romulus. In New Romulus, Romulans ARE clearly working with the Feds and KDF.
No - because your chosen faction allows you access to the ships (including C-Store ships) of that faction.
So you could buy a Kumari then defect KDF-side with it. Or a B'rel and vice-versa.
Plus you'll have Fed/KDF Boffs/Doffs etc. How do you untangle all that?
From the 'Ask Cryptic' (my emphasis):
Good points. Thanks for pointing those out.
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I for one am not surprised as to how they are rolling out the Romulan faction. I always thought that if they were added they might be more like Death Knights in WoW. Death Knights are a faction in WoW, they have their own unique mounts, citadel and origin story. However, Death Knights are also asked to seek aid in fighting from either the Alliance or Horde.
I am thrilled that this is how they've chosen to implement the Romulan faction. My fed fleet is JUST now getting near T5 on fleet building. I would HATE to have to start from scratch all over.
Romulans picking sides makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that the Romulan story is meant to be a prequel to the events in New Romulus. In New Romulus, Romulans ARE clearly working with the Feds and KDF.
Death Knights are not a faction , its a class choice, the factions in WoW are Horde or Alliance which a Death Knight choses to side with, just like the Romulans will have to chose between the KDF or Federation factions.
For goodness sakes, please remember that this forums has guidelines. Please tone down the rhetoric or this thread will get locked. Going out of bounds is going to lead to infractions.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread that are way out of whack for how it is actually implemented. Many posts are stating opinions about something that no one in the public has played yet.
Give the hard working team some credit for everything they've been working on by reserving your opinions until you actually play it. It will be free to play and free to download the expansion. If you want to judge something you haven't played just based on a description, then sorry, you're missing some of the best content we've ever made.
If you don't like it, don't play a Romulan. It isn't required that you play a Romulan. Yes we've been talking about how we would implement other factions in the game for a while, and as I said then, plans can change. Even since that Reddit chat, we actually did the work to make Romulans their own faction.
Many people are hearing "choose an ally" and thinking that you become FED or KDF and that is not true. You remain a Romulan. You don't lose your identity. You don't lose your faction's goal. Your ally is there to help you - to give you tech - to give you ships and help you stand up against the Tal Shiar. Even in game right now, New Romulans are looking to both Klingons and the Federation to help, and this is just an extension of that. So it is not about you dropping what your goals are and reporting into Admiral Quinn now. You report to the Romulan Republic.
This also allows for cross faction teaming. Something that encourages group gameplay and can be fun. Want to go play some Romulan missions, but don't want to be a Romulan? Go team up with one and help them with their missions. Want to help fight the silent enemy? Queue up together and go fight together. We've made a commitment that when we make fun new events, they are for everyone to play. Yes the "Star Trek Rules" bend sometimes when we have Feds and KDF grouping up to fight the Borg, but it can also be a lot of fun and leads to a more lively MMO.
Anyone who wants a 3rd queue faction hasn't played a Klingon. As I said before, that isn't good for the game. We allow cross faction teaming because it allows more people to play together.
Play Legacy of Romulus and either enjoy it or not. The proof will be whether or not the game continues to grow and if people enjoy it as much as we think they will. Fortunately, our continued future success is not based on what people think of something they haven't even played yet.
We look forward to showing you everything we've been working on very soon. This is why we're working the extra time to get things setup and ready on TRIBBLE. We're almost there.
Live Long and Prosper.
Well for goodness sake...
You sure know how to kill a lively debate in a thread here Mr. D.
When has it ever been a prerequisite to have 'actual facts' about something that hasn't hit the game yet..., to be able to 'tear it to shreds' around here???
Boy, you better get BranFlakes to keep you up-to-date on how many of the STOs forum-ites, believe they are supposed to behave...
BTW: The newest edition of that particular handbook, is being published as we speak...
You know.., constantly moving 'goalposts' and all that...
As for me...,
I'm more of the common garden-variety "wait-to-actually-see-what-comes' kinda guy.
I guess I'm pretty old-fashion that way, but I find I spend a lot less time wringing my hands and building up multiple layers of angst..., by being patient.
Funny that...
STO Member since February 2009. I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born! Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Also you kinda both wrong, Death Knights are unique as they start at lv 55 and there is only ONE per Realm, apples and oranges ... in STO this would be being the Borg (if male: Drag) Queen.
Death Knights have their own content, Panda Race has their own content. Blizzard does not call them factions. There are only two factions in WoW.
For thenefit of you - it is polite to be thankful to people. It may not be out yet but it is coming out and without them at all you wouldn't have a game full stop. I can see your complete disregard for manners by how you responded to my post.
I have posted my opinion which is just as valid as yours and I have done so without laying into anyone else. I would suggest that if you are going to respond to people like that you take a pause and re consider posting altogether.
Also I am not a Cryptic appologist. I have had my own issues that I have brought up with them but that doesn't excuse being rude whether it be towards Cryptic or myself.
For the benefit of me? Why thank you for teaching me this... Who knew.
Just what are you actually thankful for? They haven't produced anything yet, only pic, a trailer and now some info that hasn't gone down too well. Being thankful when it comes out is one thing, but you sound like a lot of "fans" on here who tbh seem to be thankful for anything Cryptic does in the name of Star Trek and except mediocrity (just like this sub Rom faction that Cryptic are creating).
They don't want you to be thankful, they want you to pay... Thanks doesn't pay the bills.
So you weren't "laying into anyone"? So who were you talking about when you said "What is this I want everything and I want it now attitude"?
Don't come out with the "my opinion is just as valid as" and "it doesn't excuse being rude", when you are accusing people of things like the above.
Tell me where in this thread people have said they want everything and they want it now?
/Sigh, another one.:(
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
It all sounds pretty good to me. I'm definitely looking forward to making a Romulan. I'm also pretty happy that Romulans DON'T get their own fleets and starbases because this helps keep the playerbase less fractured and makes it less of a chore as that's one less fleet I'll have to help advance. Also this may help get more players on KDF side which is a good thing IMO.
Romulans picking sides makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that the Romulan story is meant to be a prequel to the events in New Romulus. In New Romulus, Romulans ARE clearly working with the Feds and KDF.
The problem is that D'Tan's Romulans, while working with the Feds and KDF, are only ONE of SEVERAL Romulan factions. And they are NOT the Romulans of the shows. We should be given a choice of Romulan factions.
Also this may help get more players on KDF side which is a good thing IMO.
More likely people choosing to go with the Feds then with the KDF.:(
Some people are going to get their jollies with a Rom Captain flying a Connie or an Ambassador
If they weren't going to make them a full faction, then at least having 1 full faction and 1 kinda faction, would have helped the KDF more by the Roms having to join them.
Still another bonehead maneuver by Cryptic. Feds, want to be Feds, Klinks want to be Klinks and I am sure that the Rommies would prefer to be Rommies. 3 Full Factions...
Still not sure where Cryptic thinks it going to make it's money from the Roms. If they cannot make money from the Klinks, then what major cash is the Rommies going to bring in?
If 80%+ Still play Feds, why not put all it's resources into creating new systems, new massive content and actual things for people to do, instead of just grind, grind and grind, with now a new "sub" faction added which really is just more grind in green.
Now Rommies can play some of their own missions. Scan 5 of this and kill 5 of that.;)
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
More likely people choosing to go with the Feds then with the KDF.:(
Some people are going to get their jollies with a Rom Captain flying a Connie or an Ambassador
If they weren't going to make them a full faction, then at least having 1 full faction and 1 kinda faction, would have helped the KDF more by the Roms having to join them.
Still another bonehead maneuver by Cryptic. Feds, want to be Feds, Klinks want to be Klinks and I am sure that the Rommies would prefer to be Rommies. 3 Full Factions...
Still not sure where Cryptic thinks it going to make it's money from the Roms. If they cannot make money from the Klinks, then what major cash is the Rommies going to bring in?
If 80%+ Still play Feds, why not put all it's resources into creating new systems, new massive content and actual things for people to do, instead of just grind, grind and grind, with now a new "sub" faction added which really is just more grind in green.
Now Rommies can play some of their own missions. Scan 5 of this and kill 5 of that.;)
can you imagine this... 80%+ are feds already. less than 20% are kdf. they all make romulans and they stay with the side they are already with. that just wont help even numbers out it will keep things the same. if you want to spread the player base % so it's not so extremely 1 sided your better having roms standing alone. most romulans in hiding are playing feds.
The policy of Cryptic has changed a lot.
In the old good days there were engineering reports from Dstahl who informed us of the newest speculations of their ideas. The community was always part of the team. We had time to give feedback. Okay something was really pure speculation, but still i have felt cryptic was with us all the time. I miss these days.
Now they are working in secret and only blogs of the devs for features already implemented. No Participation of the users. No sign what will be implemented in the future.
Democracy includes protests and the defending of our own thinking.
Your Reaction was like "Love it or Leave it"...I like Sto and respect and love you guys for doing a great job....but this is not a proper communciation...sorry
and again folks
sorry for my bad english(but i will improve hopefully =
Giving us all the content of the new faction, even if it is only one race and six ships as you suggest, for free is an extremely generous free-to-play philosophy. Turbine charges significant money for this kind of new content, and then tiers it out so to get the real 'goodies' you want for your character you have to spend really healthy amounts. Even games like DCUO charge money for packs like this. And Remans are unlockable without spending a dime.
Heck, so far at least, Cryptic is being a lot more generous with this expansion than they are with Neverwinter Founders Packs.
Turbine charges far less than Cryptic does for comparable wares and Turbine's qualify as "gold master" not "pay to beta".
The policy of Cryptic has changed a lot.
In the old good days there were engineering reports from Dstahl who informed us of the newest speculations of their ideas. The community was always part of the team. We had time to give feedback. Okay something was really pure speculation, but still i have felt cryptic was with us all the time. I miss these days.
Now they are working in secret and only blogs of the devs for features already implemented. No Participation of the users. No sign what will be implemented in the future.
Democracy includes protests and the defending of our own thinking.
Your Reaction was like "Love it or Leave it"...I like Sto and respect and love you guys for doing a great job....but this is not a proper communciation...sorry
and again folks
sorry for my bad english(but i will improve hopefully =
thers an easy way to stop this while keeping the grind as u call it removed dilthium from starbases a move that no one will mind starting a new base
Sadly, I don't think they're ever going to do that.
Call me a cynic, but I think there are two ulterior motives at play here.
1. To obtain significant amounts of Dilthium for free, you have to spend a lot of time ingame mining it, running STFs or whatever else it is you do to acculumate vast quantities of this material.
And the uses for it are so numerous, you have to pay in Dilithium for crafting, Starbase Requistions, Starbase and Embassy Projects, the Dil Store, Rep gear projects, and so on.
So what you're doing is essentially logging hours not doing much at all.
Which looks good, because Cryptic can say players are spending X time online in our game.
And not mention the fact that time is spent doing barely anything practical.
2. Money.
Should you not want to invest massive amounts of time in farming Dilithium, you are given the option to buy it.
To do so, you have to buy C-Points to convert to Zen.
Which puts money in their pockets.
And given that the Dil exchange has not yet returned to it's normal value, this is currently more costly then it should be.
I know personally I am buying less Dil now since I can't afford to keep injecting it into it's various uses, it's just getting too expensive.
So, given the above conditions, it's highly unlikely that Dilithium will be minimized.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
The policy of Cryptic has changed a lot.
In the old good days there were engineering reports from Dstahl who informed us of the newest speculations of their ideas. The community was always part of the team. We had time to give feedback. Okay something was really pure speculation, but still i have felt cryptic was with us all the time. I miss these days.
Now they are working in secret and only blogs of the devs for features already implemented. No Participation of the users. No sign what will be implemented in the future.
Democracy includes protests and the defending of our own thinking.
Your Reaction was like "Love it or Leave it"...I like Sto and respect and love you guys for doing a great job....but this is not a proper communciation...sorry
and again folks
sorry for my bad english(but i will improve hopefully =
The bold part says it all.
People, you need to realize something. This is a game, not a democracy. If you want to use real world analogies. It is an aristocracy, where a privilege few make decisions for the masses, in this case the devs.
Yes, ideally the devs take the consumers in mind in all decisions they make. But any thought you have that you some how get or are entitled to a vote in the direction of a game is false. Cryptic is a company, no more no less. They will do what is best for the company and the product. Your opinions are largely irrelevant in the process.
People, you need to realize something. This is a game, not a democracy. If you want to use real world analogies. It is an aristocracy, where a privilege few make decisions for the masses, in this case the devs.
Yes, ideally the devs take the consumers in mind in all decisions they make. But any thought you have that you some how get or are entitled to a vote in the direction of a game is false. Cryptic is a company, no more no less. They will do what is best for the company and the product. Your opinions are largely irrelevant in the process.
I have made my MBA. Not companies decides what is profitable the customer decides. Good and succesful companies always includes key users in the research and development process. It is the most succesfull advantage of good companies. If opinions are irrelevant why should the game companies do betas. Only for testing how the features will be liked by us.
We have the money...We are the basis of the game....sto is not an isle of devs.
I was a player from the start of sto(i created today a new pw account because of technical problems...this was my first of day writing in the forums because it really upsets to see that our opinion is declared to be irrelevant)
My opinion is worth to be heard....just that i am disappointed ....doesn't mean that i am againts cryptic.....i have children myself and sometimes i critisize them because i want them to better humans...love and criticism is both possible...the world is grey and not black and white
I have made my MBA. Not companies decides what is profitable the customer decides. Good and succesful companies always includes key users in the research and development process. It is the most succesfull advantage of good companies. If opinions are irrelevant why should the game companies do betas. Only for testing how the features will be liked by us.
We have the money...We are the basis of the game....sto is not an isle of devs.
I was a player from the start of sto(i created today a new pw account because of technical problems...this was my first of day writing in the forums because it really upsets to see that our opinion is declared to be irrelevant)
My opinion is worth to be heard....just that i am disappointed ....doesn't mean that i am againts cryptic.....i have children myself and sometimes i critisize them because i want them to better humans...love and criticism is both possible...the world is grey and not black and white
You can influence Cryptic by spending on zen on features you like, and features you dislike.
Stupid example: If you like KDF ships, and want more KDF ships but not Fed ones, then you should buy a lot of KDF C-store ships, but no Federation ones.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I have made my MBA. Not companies decides what is profitable the customer decides. Good and succesful companies always includes key users in the research and development process. It is the most succesfull advantage of good companies. If opinions are irrelevant why should the game companies do betas. Only for testing how the features will be liked by us.
We have the money...We are the basis of the game....sto is not an isle of devs.
I was a player from the start of sto(i created today a new pw account because of technical problems...this was my first of day writing in the forums because it really upsets to see that our opinion is declared to be irrelevant)
My opinion is worth to be heard....just that i am disappointed ....doesn't mean that i am againts cryptic.....i have children myself and sometimes i critisize them because i want them to better humans...love and criticism is both possible...the world is grey and not black and white
Please don't misunderstand what I am saying. What I said was you're (and keep in mind I am not necessarily saying "you're" as in you specifically) opinion is irrelevant to THE PROCESS. Basically decisions are made based on what the company feels is best. Not what the playerbase feels is best.
Again, Ideally there is a overlap between what the company wants and what the playerbase wants. And yes, there is no way a company that decides things without costumer feedback is going to stay in business. but my point is people all too often think video games are a democracy. That because they pay XX amount of money they are entitled to a say in the direction of the game. And that is just not the case.
Opinions are one thing. And yes you are entitled to your opinions. But that does not mean a video game company, any video game company has to do what you want because you have paid whatever amount it is you have paid into the game.
Now i have understood you right. i partially agree but not totally
This discussion reminds me the scifi game mass effect trilogythat almost everyone heard here as a scifi fan.
a short summary:
The end of mass effect 3 was the end of the fantastic trilogy, but this was ending was illogical and not well done compared to the quality of the game. That is why almost 90 % of the users were complaining. But the devs were felt attacked directly and said that is is the freedom of the devs and they won't change this ending. They say art is not discussable.
At the end Bioware has made a better and more logical ending because of the overwhelming criticism.
This a good example that opinions can change products and devs should not take it too personal if people are critisizing their products. I can understand it...it is their babies and we are saying they are not cute
i have and will always play sto, but something should change in the way cryptic is communictaiong with us .
But there is not solidarity in the World of MMO. There is not solidarity in STO. All I can see is Fed fans, they have no interest in KDF or Romulan problems, same for KDF or Romulans fans, and well, casuals players, they have their personal point of view and dont help others . We have a weak player comunity so we have a weak MMO here, I think.
But there is not solidarity in the World of MMO. There is not solidarity in STO. All I can see is Fed fans, they have no interest in KDF or Romulan problems, same for KDF or Romulans fans, and well, casuals players, they have their personal point of view and dont help others . We have a weak player comunity so we have a weak MMO here, I think.
No we have the best community here.
The most intelligent, passionate and reasonable people are playing this game. Somes passion is stronger than it comes to romulans. This is still a very civilized discussion. In other games it would end in super trolling and chaos.I have faith that cryptic will listen. We stand united in the hope for the best of sto. But what is the best way and how to accomplish it. This is matter of discussion.
But there is not solidarity in the World of MMO. There is not solidarity in STO. All I can see is Fed fans, they have no interest in KDF or Romulan problems, same for KDF or Romulans fans, and well, casuals players, they have their personal point of view and dont help others . We have a weak player comunity so we have a weak MMO here, I think.
I understand what you're saying here, but I'm not sure I agree completely. In the game I've been helped out many times by strangers in zone chat before I joined a fleet. I think the player base is generally helpful and friendly if you ask in the correct manner.
I am also of the opinion that the community here cares a great deal about STO and to varying degrees, the factions they play. I think the negativity and even the expression of so called "forum rage" shows genuine concern.
I think the frustration and concerns are growing pains. I think they're natural. I believe that when people rage or vent, they get too personal sometimes. I don't think it's because of a lack of care and I'm not sure there is a lack of solidarity. Plenty of people here share their concerns and have expressed them skillfully. I think there is some solidarity amongst the "ragers".
I'm not sure I understand what we need solidarity for, to what end? What are we trying to accomplish? I've seen areas where in game issues are addressed by devs, there are outstanding concerns that sometimes go back for months and some to the beginning of public launch, but we can't change a game play mechanic that hasn't even reached tribble yet.
And speaking more generally than to you specifically; it's impossible to address all of the concerns and to make everyone happy. I have some specific concerns about the little bit that I've gleaned from LoR Ask Cryptic, mostly about how PvP will shape up with a faction that splits its personnel among its two warring allies.
But there may be an ingenious roll out for this choice. I haven't seen it and that is what makes my concerns merely speculative at this time. I am grateful the devs have developed a Romulan faction. I have friends in the gaming industry and I've been allowed to observe some game creation in progress. It's complex, time consuming work. I'm grateful for the chance to play my favorite polity in Star Trek lore. I too would like to have seen the Romulans rebuild their empire, pre-Nemesis. But thanks to Nemesis and the ST:2009 movie, the Romulan Empire has been severely deformed.
This is what Cryptic has to work with from the start. Sometimes when a creative force messes around with something that is a pillar of our creative/fantasy/dream world of escape and imagination, it can be more devastating and painful than if something dramatic were to happen in real life. Star Trek goes back to childhood for many of us. Some of us were Star Trek fans drawn much more closely to a non-federation polity like the Klingon or Romulan Empires. I'm not saying that anyone should stay mum. That no one should stay silent and not speak up and mention their concerns. I'm saying that we should have perspective about the frustration, anger and pains that the growth of STO and Star Trek has out on us and try not to be venomous to other players or the dev team. We're all humans in real life, we make mistakes and most of us try our best.
I'm reserving my opinions about the Romulan faction till I can play them. Even if my concerns become validated it doesn't overshadow the long hours and hard work a real living being has put into this fantasy environment for our entertainment.
Thanks devs. Here's hoping for a phenomenal launch and constructive collaboration to fix the bumps that can't be avoided.
For goodness sakes, please remember that this forums has guidelines. Please tone down the rhetoric or this thread will get locked. Going out of bounds is going to lead to infractions.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of assumptions being made in this thread that are way out of whack for how it is actually implemented. Many posts are stating opinions about something that no one in the public has played yet.
Give the hard working team some credit for everything they've been working on by reserving your opinions until you actually play it. It will be free to play and free to download the expansion. If you want to judge something you haven't played just based on a description, then sorry, you're missing some of the best content we've ever made.
If you don't like it, don't play a Romulan. It isn't required that you play a Romulan. Yes we've been talking about how we would implement other factions in the game for a while, and as I said then, plans can change. Even since that Reddit chat, we actually did the work to make Romulans their own faction.
Many people are hearing "choose an ally" and thinking that you become FED or KDF and that is not true. You remain a Romulan. You don't lose your identity. You don't lose your faction's goal. Your ally is there to help you - to give you tech - to give you ships and help you stand up against the Tal Shiar. Even in game right now, New Romulans are looking to both Klingons and the Federation to help, and this is just an extension of that. So it is not about you dropping what your goals are and reporting into Admiral Quinn now. You report to the Romulan Republic.
This also allows for cross faction teaming. Something that encourages group gameplay and can be fun. Want to go play some Romulan missions, but don't want to be a Romulan? Go team up with one and help them with their missions. Want to help fight the silent enemy? Queue up together and go fight together. We've made a commitment that when we make fun new events, they are for everyone to play. Yes the "Star Trek Rules" bend sometimes when we have Feds and KDF grouping up to fight the Borg, but it can also be a lot of fun and leads to a more lively MMO.
Anyone who wants a 3rd queue faction hasn't played a Klingon. As I said before, that isn't good for the game. We allow cross faction teaming because it allows more people to play together.
Play Legacy of Romulus and either enjoy it or not. The proof will be whether or not the game continues to grow and if people enjoy it as much as we think they will. Fortunately, our continued future success is not based on what people think of something they haven't even played yet.
We look forward to showing you everything we've been working on very soon. This is why we're working the extra time to get things setup and ready on TRIBBLE. We're almost there.
Actually, the reason I don't bother with KDF gameplay is that it is really Klingon gameplay.
Every story, every mission, even the DOFFing is all Klingon, all the time.
I would have loved to see some Orion, Gorn, Nausicaan or Lethean specific stories, just to break up the "Honor! Death! Glory!" stories.
It's even more galling that my KDF Captain is not a Klingon, so he wouldn't apply their solutions to his problems.
Also, I've grown tired of the KDF bugs that remain unfixed despite over a year of reminding Cryptic to fix them.
Which is why, given the choice, I will always choose Starfleet over KDF.
As for Romulans, I was more interested in them, but the withdrawal of my desired playable race was the major factor in putting that "faction" (note the Turian airquotes) on hold.
The second factor is I expected a faction all about Espionage, diplomatic double-dealing and just outright deviousness.
Instead, I got a minifaction that just goes straight into Starfleet gameplay with none of the trademark Romulan storyline trademarks.
As for Mass Effect 3, I wasn't too thrilled by the final chapter.
I expected to fly around the galaxy nuking Reapers with the Thanix cannon (mainly because I always wanted to know what would happen if you used a Reaper weapon on Reapers).
Instead, we invest all our effort in building a massive plot device and agonizing over the death of a few people on Earth (and I mean few, it's just the crew of a shuttlecraft!) when there's a war to fight and many more people galaxywide are dying!
Also, the lack of control involved in two character's fates annoyed me no end.
I didn't want Legion to die, but no matter what path I took, he still ended up dead.
And Thane, all he can do is die slowly or die faster.
That's what ME3 felt like for me, that all the decisions had been predetermined and no matter what choices I made, I could only change small parts of the story.
And what I changed only had personal impact (for example, making sure Miranda and Kelly didn't get killed), they had no effect on the larger story.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I think a have good solution for all of us(devs, rom-alts and rom mains)
Why we are not introducing a 3 way-side system:
1 way to choose fed
1 way to choose kdf
1 way to choose Romulus(the rom main stay there and are willing to wait until their faction will be 100 %)..it would even fit to the story because are building everything from the bottom
make the decisions ultimate
+ romulan ships only for romulans
+romulan are not allowed to enter qonos or esd only ds9 or droganza(because romulans are still under suspension und ds9 and droganza would be livelier)
This solution won't change the plans of cryptic and it is technical possible and would make everything happy
If you want to stay Pure Romulan without choosing a side, do so!
But apparently, you have to choose Starfleet or Klingon, no middle ground.
Personally, I think this problem could be solved by just buffing up on the XP on the featured episodes, which are the only true non-factional content.
I'm not going to play the faction because of the condition for playing it mentioned many times, but in theory, if I did play it, I'd be perfectly happy with an unfinished faction until they can give it a proper treatment!
Heck, I levelled a KDF to max rank on nothing but sector explores!
And that was back when the game had next to nothing for levelling besides those missions, there are more options now.
As for the Romulan equivalent of Diplomacy, if they're not motivated to create a unique system at the moment, just let us tag all Diplomacy and Maruading missions and accumulate the points towards the Doffing Rank.
Starbases might be a bit more complicated, it'll require creating 5 distinct models and the interior as well.
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There needs to be Liberated Borg Romulan as an option added solely for lifetime subscribers for the launch of the new half faction. Not only would this make current lifetime subscribers happy, it would give those who don't have lifetime subs another reason to think about getting one. A lack of Liberatee Borg Romulan at the start would be a serious kick in the groin to all current lifetime subscribers!
There needs to be Liberated Borg Romulan as an option added solely for lifetime subscribers for the launch of the new half faction. Not only would this make current lifetime subscribers happy, it would give those who don't have lifetime subs another reason to think about getting one. A lack of Liberatee Borg Romulan at the start would be a serious kick in the groin to all current lifetime subscribers!
We might get Lib Borg Romulans. Dan didn't say conclusively one way or the other. He knows people want them, so we should wait and see.
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I have posted my opinion which is just as valid as yours and I have done so without laying into anyone else. I would suggest that if you are going to respond to people like that you take a pause and re consider posting altogether.
Also I am not a Cryptic appologist. I have had my own issues that I have brought up with them but that doesn't excuse being rude whether it be towards Cryptic or myself.
I am thrilled that this is how they've chosen to implement the Romulan faction. My fed fleet is JUST now getting near T5 on fleet building. I would HATE to have to start from scratch all over.
Romulans picking sides makes perfect sense if you consider the fact that the Romulan story is meant to be a prequel to the events in New Romulus. In New Romulus, Romulans ARE clearly working with the Feds and KDF.
Good points. Thanks for pointing those out.
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Death Knights are not a faction , its a class choice, the factions in WoW are Horde or Alliance which a Death Knight choses to side with, just like the Romulans will have to chose between the KDF or Federation factions.
Well for goodness sake...
You sure know how to kill a lively debate in a thread here Mr. D.
When has it ever been a prerequisite to have 'actual facts' about something that hasn't hit the game yet..., to be able to 'tear it to shreds' around here???
Boy, you better get BranFlakes to keep you up-to-date on how many of the STOs forum-ites, believe they are supposed to behave...
BTW: The newest edition of that particular handbook, is being published as we speak...
You know.., constantly moving 'goalposts' and all that...
As for me...,
I'm more of the common garden-variety "wait-to-actually-see-what-comes' kinda guy.
I guess I'm pretty old-fashion that way, but I find I spend a lot less time wringing my hands and building up multiple layers of angst..., by being patient.
Funny that...
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Death Knights have their own content, Panda Race has their own content. Blizzard does not call them factions. There are only two factions in WoW.
For the benefit of me? Why thank you for teaching me this... Who knew.
Just what are you actually thankful for? They haven't produced anything yet, only pic, a trailer and now some info that hasn't gone down too well. Being thankful when it comes out is one thing, but you sound like a lot of "fans" on here who tbh seem to be thankful for anything Cryptic does in the name of Star Trek and except mediocrity (just like this sub Rom faction that Cryptic are creating).
They don't want you to be thankful, they want you to pay... Thanks doesn't pay the bills.
So you weren't "laying into anyone"? So who were you talking about when you said "What is this I want everything and I want it now attitude"?
Don't come out with the "my opinion is just as valid as" and "it doesn't excuse being rude", when you are accusing people of things like the above.
Tell me where in this thread people have said they want everything and they want it now?
/Sigh, another one.:(
The problem is that D'Tan's Romulans, while working with the Feds and KDF, are only ONE of SEVERAL Romulan factions. And they are NOT the Romulans of the shows. We should be given a choice of Romulan factions.
More likely people choosing to go with the Feds then with the KDF.:(
Some people are going to get their jollies with a Rom Captain flying a Connie or an Ambassador
If they weren't going to make them a full faction, then at least having 1 full faction and 1 kinda faction, would have helped the KDF more by the Roms having to join them.
Still another bonehead maneuver by Cryptic. Feds, want to be Feds, Klinks want to be Klinks and I am sure that the Rommies would prefer to be Rommies. 3 Full Factions...
Still not sure where Cryptic thinks it going to make it's money from the Roms. If they cannot make money from the Klinks, then what major cash is the Rommies going to bring in?
If 80%+ Still play Feds, why not put all it's resources into creating new systems, new massive content and actual things for people to do, instead of just grind, grind and grind, with now a new "sub" faction added which really is just more grind in green.
Now Rommies can play some of their own missions. Scan 5 of this and kill 5 of that.;)
can you imagine this... 80%+ are feds already. less than 20% are kdf. they all make romulans and they stay with the side they are already with. that just wont help even numbers out it will keep things the same. if you want to spread the player base % so it's not so extremely 1 sided your better having roms standing alone. most romulans in hiding are playing feds.
In the old good days there were engineering reports from Dstahl who informed us of the newest speculations of their ideas. The community was always part of the team. We had time to give feedback. Okay something was really pure speculation, but still i have felt cryptic was with us all the time. I miss these days.
Now they are working in secret and only blogs of the devs for features already implemented. No Participation of the users. No sign what will be implemented in the future.
Democracy includes protests and the defending of our own thinking.
Your Reaction was like "Love it or Leave it"...I like Sto and respect and love you guys for doing a great job....but this is not a proper communciation...sorry
and again folks
sorry for my bad english(but i will improve hopefully =
Turbine charges far less than Cryptic does for comparable wares and Turbine's qualify as "gold master" not "pay to beta".
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your doing a great job if you ask me
Sadly, I don't think they're ever going to do that.
Call me a cynic, but I think there are two ulterior motives at play here.
1. To obtain significant amounts of Dilthium for free, you have to spend a lot of time ingame mining it, running STFs or whatever else it is you do to acculumate vast quantities of this material.
And the uses for it are so numerous, you have to pay in Dilithium for crafting, Starbase Requistions, Starbase and Embassy Projects, the Dil Store, Rep gear projects, and so on.
So what you're doing is essentially logging hours not doing much at all.
Which looks good, because Cryptic can say players are spending X time online in our game.
And not mention the fact that time is spent doing barely anything practical.
2. Money.
Should you not want to invest massive amounts of time in farming Dilithium, you are given the option to buy it.
To do so, you have to buy C-Points to convert to Zen.
Which puts money in their pockets.
And given that the Dil exchange has not yet returned to it's normal value, this is currently more costly then it should be.
I know personally I am buying less Dil now since I can't afford to keep injecting it into it's various uses, it's just getting too expensive.
So, given the above conditions, it's highly unlikely that Dilithium will be minimized.
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The bold part says it all.
People, you need to realize something. This is a game, not a democracy. If you want to use real world analogies. It is an aristocracy, where a privilege few make decisions for the masses, in this case the devs.
Yes, ideally the devs take the consumers in mind in all decisions they make. But any thought you have that you some how get or are entitled to a vote in the direction of a game is false. Cryptic is a company, no more no less. They will do what is best for the company and the product. Your opinions are largely irrelevant in the process.
I have made my MBA. Not companies decides what is profitable the customer decides. Good and succesful companies always includes key users in the research and development process. It is the most succesfull advantage of good companies. If opinions are irrelevant why should the game companies do betas. Only for testing how the features will be liked by us.
We have the money...We are the basis of the game....sto is not an isle of devs.
I was a player from the start of sto(i created today a new pw account because of technical problems...this was my first of day writing in the forums because it really upsets to see that our opinion is declared to be irrelevant)
My opinion is worth to be heard....just that i am disappointed ....doesn't mean that i am againts cryptic.....i have children myself and sometimes i critisize them because i want them to better humans...love and criticism is both possible...the world is grey and not black and white
You can influence Cryptic by spending on zen on features you like, and features you dislike.
Stupid example: If you like KDF ships, and want more KDF ships but not Fed ones, then you should buy a lot of KDF C-store ships, but no Federation ones.
Please don't misunderstand what I am saying. What I said was you're (and keep in mind I am not necessarily saying "you're" as in you specifically) opinion is irrelevant to THE PROCESS. Basically decisions are made based on what the company feels is best. Not what the playerbase feels is best.
Again, Ideally there is a overlap between what the company wants and what the playerbase wants. And yes, there is no way a company that decides things without costumer feedback is going to stay in business. but my point is people all too often think video games are a democracy. That because they pay XX amount of money they are entitled to a say in the direction of the game. And that is just not the case.
Opinions are one thing. And yes you are entitled to your opinions. But that does not mean a video game company, any video game company has to do what you want because you have paid whatever amount it is you have paid into the game.
Now i have understood you right. i partially agree but not totally
This discussion reminds me the scifi game mass effect trilogythat almost everyone heard here as a scifi fan.
a short summary:
The end of mass effect 3 was the end of the fantastic trilogy, but this was ending was illogical and not well done compared to the quality of the game. That is why almost 90 % of the users were complaining. But the devs were felt attacked directly and said that is is the freedom of the devs and they won't change this ending. They say art is not discussable.
At the end Bioware has made a better and more logical ending because of the overwhelming criticism.
This a good example that opinions can change products and devs should not take it too personal if people are critisizing their products. I can understand it...it is their babies and we are saying they are not cute
i have and will always play sto, but something should change in the way cryptic is communictaiong with us .
No we have the best community here.
The most intelligent, passionate and reasonable people are playing this game. Somes passion is stronger than it comes to romulans. This is still a very civilized discussion. In other games it would end in super trolling and chaos.I have faith that cryptic will listen. We stand united in the hope for the best of sto. But what is the best way and how to accomplish it. This is matter of discussion.
I understand what you're saying here, but I'm not sure I agree completely. In the game I've been helped out many times by strangers in zone chat before I joined a fleet. I think the player base is generally helpful and friendly if you ask in the correct manner.
I am also of the opinion that the community here cares a great deal about STO and to varying degrees, the factions they play. I think the negativity and even the expression of so called "forum rage" shows genuine concern.
I think the frustration and concerns are growing pains. I think they're natural. I believe that when people rage or vent, they get too personal sometimes. I don't think it's because of a lack of care and I'm not sure there is a lack of solidarity. Plenty of people here share their concerns and have expressed them skillfully. I think there is some solidarity amongst the "ragers".
I'm not sure I understand what we need solidarity for, to what end? What are we trying to accomplish? I've seen areas where in game issues are addressed by devs, there are outstanding concerns that sometimes go back for months and some to the beginning of public launch, but we can't change a game play mechanic that hasn't even reached tribble yet.
And speaking more generally than to you specifically; it's impossible to address all of the concerns and to make everyone happy. I have some specific concerns about the little bit that I've gleaned from LoR Ask Cryptic, mostly about how PvP will shape up with a faction that splits its personnel among its two warring allies.
But there may be an ingenious roll out for this choice. I haven't seen it and that is what makes my concerns merely speculative at this time. I am grateful the devs have developed a Romulan faction. I have friends in the gaming industry and I've been allowed to observe some game creation in progress. It's complex, time consuming work. I'm grateful for the chance to play my favorite polity in Star Trek lore. I too would like to have seen the Romulans rebuild their empire, pre-Nemesis. But thanks to Nemesis and the ST:2009 movie, the Romulan Empire has been severely deformed.
This is what Cryptic has to work with from the start. Sometimes when a creative force messes around with something that is a pillar of our creative/fantasy/dream world of escape and imagination, it can be more devastating and painful than if something dramatic were to happen in real life. Star Trek goes back to childhood for many of us. Some of us were Star Trek fans drawn much more closely to a non-federation polity like the Klingon or Romulan Empires. I'm not saying that anyone should stay mum. That no one should stay silent and not speak up and mention their concerns. I'm saying that we should have perspective about the frustration, anger and pains that the growth of STO and Star Trek has out on us and try not to be venomous to other players or the dev team. We're all humans in real life, we make mistakes and most of us try our best.
I'm reserving my opinions about the Romulan faction till I can play them. Even if my concerns become validated it doesn't overshadow the long hours and hard work a real living being has put into this fantasy environment for our entertainment.
Thanks devs. Here's hoping for a phenomenal launch and constructive collaboration to fix the bumps that can't be avoided.
Good talk Dan!
Every story, every mission, even the DOFFing is all Klingon, all the time.
I would have loved to see some Orion, Gorn, Nausicaan or Lethean specific stories, just to break up the "Honor! Death! Glory!" stories.
It's even more galling that my KDF Captain is not a Klingon, so he wouldn't apply their solutions to his problems.
Also, I've grown tired of the KDF bugs that remain unfixed despite over a year of reminding Cryptic to fix them.
Which is why, given the choice, I will always choose Starfleet over KDF.
As for Romulans, I was more interested in them, but the withdrawal of my desired playable race was the major factor in putting that "faction" (note the Turian airquotes) on hold.
The second factor is I expected a faction all about Espionage, diplomatic double-dealing and just outright deviousness.
Instead, I got a minifaction that just goes straight into Starfleet gameplay with none of the trademark Romulan storyline trademarks.
As for Mass Effect 3, I wasn't too thrilled by the final chapter.
I expected to fly around the galaxy nuking Reapers with the Thanix cannon (mainly because I always wanted to know what would happen if you used a Reaper weapon on Reapers).
Instead, we invest all our effort in building a massive plot device and agonizing over the death of a few people on Earth (and I mean few, it's just the crew of a shuttlecraft!) when there's a war to fight and many more people galaxywide are dying!
Also, the lack of control involved in two character's fates annoyed me no end.
I didn't want Legion to die, but no matter what path I took, he still ended up dead.
And Thane, all he can do is die slowly or die faster.
That's what ME3 felt like for me, that all the decisions had been predetermined and no matter what choices I made, I could only change small parts of the story.
And what I changed only had personal impact (for example, making sure Miranda and Kelly didn't get killed), they had no effect on the larger story.
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Why we are not introducing a 3 way-side system:
1 way to choose fed
1 way to choose kdf
1 way to choose Romulus(the rom main stay there and are willing to wait until their faction will be 100 %)..it would even fit to the story because are building everything from the bottom
make the decisions ultimate
+ romulan ships only for romulans
+romulan are not allowed to enter qonos or esd only ds9 or droganza(because romulans are still under suspension und ds9 and droganza would be livelier)
This solution won't change the plans of cryptic and it is technical possible and would make everything happy
What you are thinking ?
Give me feedback
If you want to stay Pure Romulan without choosing a side, do so!
But apparently, you have to choose Starfleet or Klingon, no middle ground.
Personally, I think this problem could be solved by just buffing up on the XP on the featured episodes, which are the only true non-factional content.
I'm not going to play the faction because of the condition for playing it mentioned many times, but in theory, if I did play it, I'd be perfectly happy with an unfinished faction until they can give it a proper treatment!
Heck, I levelled a KDF to max rank on nothing but sector explores!
And that was back when the game had next to nothing for levelling besides those missions, there are more options now.
As for the Romulan equivalent of Diplomacy, if they're not motivated to create a unique system at the moment, just let us tag all Diplomacy and Maruading missions and accumulate the points towards the Doffing Rank.
Starbases might be a bit more complicated, it'll require creating 5 distinct models and the interior as well.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
My character Tsin'xing