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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Considering you're completely misrepresenting the opinions of people expressing reservations about Cryptic based on a lack of provided evidence about the upcoming content, you really are.

    Maybe they're basing the initial announcement more on the faction that everyone's been demanding for 3 years than the one that is famous for nobody playing it.
    You made an assumption based on no (at present at least) evidence whatsoever.

    Technically, so are you. All it says is that Klingons will have 50 full levels again. Beyond that, you have nothing to back up your assertations except for spite.
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    dertylondertylon Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    OK, you wanted an honest answer.

    I want a crafting system that isn't capped at Mk XI and doesn't suck.

    I want a better reason to earn Rep System TRIBBLE than simply re-playing the missions I played to earn it.

    I want to be able to contribute to Fleets and Reputation without having to play content I don't enjoy.

    I want to earn Dilithium for everything I do in game and have many more (small) ways to spend it.

    I want more STFs that have the thought and design of the old ones rather than the hastily botched together Hive missions.

    I want Terrordome fixed and relevant again.

    I want Featured Episodes that aren't faction agnostic, diluted, canon-disregarding drivel.

    I want PvP to have a Dev that can allocate more time to it than his coffee breaks.

    I want stuff tested properly on Tribble and reviewed before it goes live.

    I want the STF sets that we now have to pay Dilithium for fixed (powers and costumes).

    I want to be able to beam into First City with being sent to the Shipyard instead.

    I want to be able to edit the appearance of my Marauding Boff the way the Feds can edit their Diplo Boff.

    I want more costume choices for the Feds and the KDF.

    I want more bridge options.

    I want ship interiors to have a relevance.

    What am I getting?

    Space elves.

    Same here...
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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    wow i got to eat some crow now... well... yeah iam kinda shocked, i honestly think the time should of been invested more into the kdf *shrug* just my view point. Well ill be making a romulan for sure, always loved their ships

    What makes you think that a third faction is going to curtail any new additions to the existing factions??
    OK, you wanted an honest answer.

    I want a crafting system that isn't capped at Mk XI and doesn't suck.

    I want a better reason to earn Rep System TRIBBLE than simply re-playing the missions I played to earn it.

    I want to be able to contribute to Fleets and Reputation without having to play content I don't enjoy.

    I want to earn Dilithium for everything I do in game and have many more (small) ways to spend it.

    I want more STFs that have the thought and design of the old ones rather than the hastily botched together Hive missions.

    I want Terrordome fixed and relevant again.

    I want Featured Episodes that aren't faction agnostic, diluted, canon-disregarding drivel.

    I want PvP to have a Dev that can allocate more time to it than his coffee breaks.

    I want stuff tested properly on Tribble and reviewed before it goes live.

    I want the STF sets that we now have to pay Dilithium for fixed (powers and costumes).

    I want to be able to beam into First City with being sent to the Shipyard instead.

    I want to be able to edit the appearance of my Marauding Boff the way the Feds can edit their Diplo Boff.

    I want more costume choices for the Feds and the KDF.

    I want more bridge options.

    I want ship interiors to have a relevance.

    What am I getting?

    Space elves.

    I think you're looking for the JJ-Trek Universe Game...

    You'll have to go looking for a parallel universe doorway though, to find it.

    Perhaps it really is time to set your expectations a bit lower...

    Being miserable over what you can't have or control, tends to lower the quality of ones gaming life.
    (or life in general for that matter)

    Me, I'm going to take what I can get with as much gusto as I can muster...

    I prefer being happy to being grumpy.

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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Maybe they're basing the initial announcement more on the faction that everyone's been demanding for 3 years than the one that is famous for nobody playing it.

    You're blaming people for not playing an ignored faction en masse? That's exactly the kind of circular logic that kept KDF from getting any kind of attention the last few years.
    Technically, so are you. All it says is that Klingons will have 50 full levels again. Beyond that, you have nothing to back up your assertations except for spite.

    You need to read what I've written. Not once did I say that the KDF wasn't getting content in the 1-20 bracket, or anywhere else. All I've consistently done is pointed out that there is at the moment zero evidence indicating they will be getting said content hole plugged, and cited examples of Cryptic deliberately creating an identical content hole in the past.

    Stop seeing what you want to see, and deal with the facts.
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    syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Stop seeing what you want to see, and deal with the facts.

    Assume positive intent. If they don't deliver, by all means take them to task; but assume they intend to.

    The largest dev team since launch worked on this content for months. Assuming it will have the same results as previous, smaller teams, working shorter timeframes, isn't warranted; especially when you've been given the hint that it's the largest update since launch.
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    kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I have little doubt of positive intent.

    For as much as I am a fan of Cryptic, and defend them on most occasions, 2 things have been apparent.

    1. They don't know how to handle multiple factions.

    2. They don't care that much about fact #1.

    They have had plenty of opportunities to not totally put their cranium in their rectums with the KDF, they just always fail to take it.

    And poor fools still cling to the red team like things are going to change.

    I have a new theory. Fix the KDF first, then I'll play it. Till then I'm not going back to rediscover the lack of attention and care.
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    panzer52panzer52 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Actually, it began back in Beta and this skepticism was hard-won by Cryptic.

    Given the lack of work paid to systems since F2P (with most discernible effort put into art assets), it's entirely possible they've been working on this since the F2P transition so it is possible (and would explain a lot).

    Do I believe Dan and the team are capable of delivering on something this big though? No - there's nothing in that trailer or the screenshots that gets me excited - just the same, tired old game wrapped in some new art assets.


    Then maybe this isn't the game for you.. so tired of People like you trying to drag stuff down and ruin **** for everyone else no one cares what you believe.. you are just bitter if you can't be happy about something you try and make sure no one is.

    To bad a lot of people of been waiting for Rommies so you will fail
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    syberghost wrote: »
    Assume positive intent. If they don't deliver, by all means take them to task; but assume they intend to.

    Positive intent gets a team nowhere when they've got a consistent track record of failing to live up to expectations. If anything, making zero assumptions about what will and will not be in "not s8" beyond what is said works to Cryptic's advantage, since it won't take into account their monumental track record of failing to deliver.
    syberghost wrote: »
    The largest dev team since launch worked on this content for months. Assuming it will have the same results as previous, smaller teams, working shorter timeframes, isn't warranted; especially when you've been given the hint that it's the largest update since launch.

    So let me get this straight, if 10 different mechanics working in their spare time couldn't fix a few model planes, you'd get them together and put them to work on a jet fighter and expect them to somehow magically do better?
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    meurikmeurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    syberghost wrote: »
    Assume positive intent. If they don't deliver, by all means take them to task; but assume they intend to.

    The largest dev team since launch worked on this content for months. Assuming it will have the same results as previous, smaller teams, working shorter timeframes, isn't warranted; especially when you've been given the hint that it's the largest update since launch.

    Call me cynical if you will, but I prefer to assume the worst, so I can be positively surprised when it's released. Better to be cynical after 3 years of STO/Cryptic broken promises, than to be super-positive and over-joyed, only to get let down AGAIN.

    That being said, I still enjoy STO (to some extent), and have no intents of leaving anytime soon. Part of the benefit of the game being Free-to-play. If it were still subscription-based, I may have left long ago.
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    grymwyrmgrymwyrm Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    My question, although it may have been asked already, is do us F2P get another character slot with this expansion or will I have to delete my KDF officer (which I don't play that much anyway)?
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    kimmymkimmym Member Posts: 1,317 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    If they don't give me a free one, I won't be purchasing one, at least not until we see how things go.

    I have a KDF main, I have no desire to level another useless character.
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    douglasrobertsdouglasroberts Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    i have a lifetime sub, whatever happens i will be here, some times they give-sometimes they take. it is they way of things, not everyone will be happy with every change. i just want saucer separation on my Dred
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    captainbaileycaptainbailey Member Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I want to know is what are the life time veteran rewards for the romulan faction now :eek: Scimitars for the 1000 day ship and d'deridex retrofits for the VA token :cool:
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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    You're blaming people for not playing an ignored faction en masse? That's exactly the kind of circular logic that kept KDF from getting any kind of attention the last few years.

    No, I am not blaming the players, Cryptic did launch the game with the KDF unfinished, but the KDF is still an insigificant portion of the players who keep the game actually up and running, while producing the loudest amount of complaints. It's a fact; you said you wanted me to deal with them.

    I mean c'mon, the loudest player in the thread has a signature proudly declaring himself to be a spiteful freeloader until Cryptic releases one single bug-free patch that fixes every issue in the game all at once. He's far from the only one I've seen. What do you want from me?
    You need to read what I've written. Not once did I say that the KDF wasn't getting content in the 1-20 bracket, or anywhere else. All I've consistently done is pointed out that there is at the moment zero evidence indicating they will be getting said content hole plugged, and cited examples of Cryptic deliberately creating an identical content hole in the past.

    Please point me to your KDF wiki page where you have spent the past 3 years dedicating your life to meticulously cataloging everything Cryptic has ever done or said that has upset you, and then tell me that the fanbase for the KDF isn't a little toxic and overly emotional by this point.

    The only evidence that Cryptic isn't going to fix it is that they haven't fixed it yet. Well, they kind of have by removing those 20 levels, but they haven't gone back to backfill them yet. So maybe they won't.

    Fair enough, I suppose, but that kind of operates on the unspoken assumption that they're never going to fix it, so why bother complaining? Just wait and see what's in store.
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    No, I am not blaming the players, Cryptic did launch the game with the KDF unfinished, but the KDF is still an insigificant portion of the players who keep the game actually up and running, while producing the loudest amount of complaints. It's a fact; you said you wanted me to deal with them.

    I said I wanted you to deal with facts, not directly insult every KDF player who has stuck with a broken, ignored and generally maligned faction because that's what they want to play as. Big difference.
    Please point me to your KDF wiki page where you have spent the past 3 years dedicating your life to meticulously cataloging everything Cryptic has ever done or said that has upset you, and then tell me that the fanbase for the KDF isn't a little toxic and overly emotional by this point.

    And now you've gone completely off the rails. Your disagreement is with me, and is based on a completely incorrect understanding of what I've written in this thread. You came at me claiming that I had made statements that I clearly had not made. End of story.

    Don't turn around and continue to spew acid at any random KDF player tangential to this conversation who tries to get a little attention payed to his or her faction.

    The only evidence that Cryptic isn't going to fix it is that they haven't fixed it yet. Well, they kind of have by removing those 20 levels, but they haven't gone back to backfill them yet. So maybe they won't.

    Fair enough, I suppose, but that kind of operates on the unspoken assumption that they're never going to fix it, so why bother complaining? Just wait and see what's in store.

    Again, I'm making no assumptions as to what is or is not in not-S8 beyond what Cryptic is saying. As of yet, they have made zero statement about filling the massive content gap they just re-created by extending the KDF back to level 1. Assuming they will fill said gap is as unjustifiable as assuming they wont.
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    lake1771lake1771 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'm surprised, impressed even. nice ships, nice story i'd guess.
    none of this will change the fact that any self respecting trekkie hAtes romulans.
    I hate romulans.
    I hate them.
    You cannot trust a romulan.
    I will have a romulan, and I will play him. but honestly, it will only be to figure out how to better destroy other romulans.
    damn you romulans.
    I kill you
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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I said I wanted you to deal with facts, not directly insult every KDF player who has stuck with a broken, ignored and generally maligned faction because that's what they want to play as. Big difference.

    I want to play as one too. That's why I levelled an Orion captain from 1-50, bought most of the ship skins, all of the bridges, the Targ pet, several ships, ect ect. I've spent enough time and money supporting the KDF to know that there are plenty of KDF players who will never be appeased. Ever. Any attempt by Cryptic to do so would be added to the GREAT LIST OF KDF GRUDGES.

    What Cryptic is doing right now is exactly the thing they should be doing: starting the faction from level 1 (hopefully with leveling content), to attract new players to the faction, instead of trying to satisfy old players with long grudges.
    Again, I'm making no assumptions as to what is or is not in not-S8 beyond what Cryptic is saying. As of yet, they have made zero statement about filling the massive content gap they just re-created by extending the KDF back to level 1. Assuming they will fill said gap is as unjustifiable as assuming they wont.

    You remember a while back, they said that they were working on scripting tech to recognize if a character is a particular race?

    That's not very useful for Starfleet, as they are largely a homogenized culture. Romulans only have two races announced. However, I play an Orion captain, on an Orion ship. I've had to deal with my sly, cunning, audacious space pirates filling dialog box after dialog box with words like HONOR and STO'VO'KOR until I just sigh and give up and go back to my Fed.

    That tech is exactly the sort of thing I would build if I were producing new KDF missions.
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    gornman47gornman47 Member Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Saw the name of this thread and now i am laughing..really really hard.
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    sernonserculionsernonserculion Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Easy to hate, and hard to love. If there is no fate, off comes the glove? :D

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    tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Gives me more of a reason to play my KDF, to spill your blood! Hahahaha (mine is a warrior's laugh!)
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    oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    well.. seeing that we are now going to have a RSE faction... I guess it is truely one of those "put up or shut up moments" for Cryptic.

    Its flesh out the KDF faction or look like compleate and total wankers time.

    Going to cross my fingers and hope they do it right. 6 to 8 weeks is my call to see if its done right. We'll see by mid May if they have.

    I'm not changing my Tag line or away from the Disenchanted tag on my toon untill I know for sure though.

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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I want to play as one too. That's why I levelled an Orion captain from 1-50, bought most of the ship skins, all of the bridges, the Targ pet, several ships, ect ect. I've spent enough time and money supporting the KDF to know that there are plenty of KDF players who will never be appeased. Ever. Any attempt by Cryptic to do so would be added to the GREAT LIST OF KDF GRUDGES.

    What Cryptic is doing right now is exactly the thing they should be doing: starting the faction from level 1 (hopefully with leveling content), to attract new players to the faction, instead of trying to satisfy old players with long grudges.

    Simply because people invested in an issue are (perceived to be) obnoxious doesn't negate the issue. I can't stand the beam vs cannon / escort vs cruiser arguments, but there frankly is some merit to some of those discussions.

    Similarly, plenty of things on (as you put) the KDF grudge list are entirely legitimate concerns. One of the chief ones being a lack of content, for which we have zero details on a solution at present.
    You remember a while back, they said that they were working on scripting tech to recognize if a character is a particular race?

    That's not very useful for Starfleet, as they are largely a homogenized culture. Romulans only have two races announced. However, I play an Orion captain, on an Orion ship. I've had to deal with my sly, cunning, audacious space pirates filling dialog box after dialog box with words like HONOR and STO'VO'KOR until I just sigh and give up and go back to my Fed.

    That tech is exactly the sort of thing I would build if I were producing new KDF missions.

    I completely disagree. Starfleet is absolutely not a giant homogenized bowl of oatmeal when it comes to species-specific morality, tradition and outlook. They're no more "everybody acts like Picard/Sisko/Data" than the KDF is "everybody acts like Gowron/Duras/Martok". Race specific dialogue is a huge boon for everyone, regardless of faction.
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    romuzariiromuzarii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Must say, I'm alittle surprised. I was expecting overhyped may release of something. I was wrong. Impressive stuff.
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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Simply because people invested in an issue are (perceived to be) obnoxious doesn't negate the issue.

    Legitimate issues do not negate obnoxiousness. I love animals; I think PETA are jerks.
    I completely disagree.

    Of course you do. And the fact that they announced it right before announcing 20 new levels of KDF goodness has no potential baring on anything whatsoever. ;)
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Of course you do. And the fact that they announced it right before announcing 20 new levels of KDF goodness has no potential baring on anything whatsoever. ;)

    1) Correlation does not equal causation

    2) There was never an announcement of any kind. The writer let it slip during an interview very few people even heard about.

    You want something to be happening. I get that. In fact, I want it too. The difference is, I'm not letting that desire color my interpretation of facts, or more specifically the complete lack of facts.
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    shaanithegreenshaanithegreen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    1) Correlation does not equal causation

    I think you might be misusing that. If you're trying to say it's all a coincidence, uh, okay. I guess they inadvertently created new mission tech?
    2) There was never an announcement of any kind. The writer let it slip during an interview very few people even heard about.

    Right. So, we know they've been developing powerful mission development tech, so we know they're going to make more missions. And they're adding 20 levels to the KDF that they said they'd backfill with missions. And they haven't really released any new story missions that could use that tech in like a year, while still employing mission designers, so they've had plenty of time to work on a large bundle of new missions.

    But that's not in any way hopeful to you, it's just MORE PROOF THAT CRYPTIC LIES!!!!!! or whatever?

    Sure, okay, have it your way then. Have fun being a victim.
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I think you might be misusing that. If you're trying to say it's all a coincidence, uh, okay. I guess they inadvertently created new mission tech?

    In your snark, you're more correct than you realize. The existence of a thing in no way indicates said thing will be used, nor does it indicate how it will be utilized if used.

    Or to put it in a way you'll be able to understand: new faction, new missions.
    Right. So, we know they've been developing powerful mission development tech, so we know they're going to make more missions. And they're adding 20 levels to the KDF that they said they'd backfill with missions. And they haven't really released any new story missions that could use that tech in like a year, while still employing mission designers, so they've had plenty of time to work on a large bundle of new missions.

    But that's not in any way hopeful to you, it's just MORE PROOF THAT CRYPTIC LIES!!!!!! or whatever?

    Sure, okay, have it your way then. Have fun being a victim.

    Do you actually stop and think about what you write, or is it all "oh noes, someone is doubting Crypic, must insult and attack"?

    Cryptic's inability to produce content is evidence of one thing, and one thing alone: Cryptic's inability to produce content. It in no way indicates that said inability is caused by the creation of a strategic story mission stockpile that overnight creates an entire faction and magically fixes a second long-neglected one.

    Assuming that it is based entirely on the ability to put in race-specific flavor text (especially in light of Cryptic's track record) is at best foolish, and at worst completely deluded.

    Also, going completely hyperbolic when people raise legitimate concerns isn't winning you any friends.
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    stelakkhstelakkh Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Pah. You expect them to actually pull that off in less than 2 months? They couldn't build ONE faction to completion in 3 years, and you expect this to happen in under 2 months? This is going to be an unmitigated disaster. And you thought S7 was bad...just watch what they'll take away from you THIS time.

    This is how I feel about the new Romulan faction. I'd like to say I hope it won't be like this, but I lost faith and hope in Cryptic long ago.

    I'm not even guardedly optimistic at this point. I'll just wait and watch the forums to see if the Romulans are going to be as bad as the Klingons.

    Cryptic has a lot to prove with this - if they can.

    I don't think they can. I dare them to prove me wrong.

    And if they do, I'll send them cookies.
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    stelakkh wrote: »
    And if they do, I'll send them cookies.

    that's it, just cookies? for that kind of gloom and doomsaying, if they prove you wrong, you should send them the entire bakery...bakers and all :P
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    stelakkhstelakkh Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Right. So, we know they've been developing powerful mission development tech, so we know they're going to make more missions. And they're adding 20 levels to the KDF that they said they'd backfill with missions. And they haven't really released any new story missions that could use that tech in like a year, while still employing mission designers, so they've had plenty of time to work on a large bundle of new missions.

    But that's not in any way hopeful to you, it's just MORE PROOF THAT CRYPTIC LIES!!!!!! or whatever?

    Sure, okay, have it your way then. Have fun being a victim.

    How long have you been around for STO there, shan?

    When Cryptic released STO their new "Genesis" random mission creator was ALL the rage. It was supposed to be this "powerful mission development tech" you seem to believe in.

    All it turned out to be was a random generator that gave us cookie-cutter monotony of a handful of types:

    1: Aid the planet.
    2: Defeat 5 groups of enemies.
    3: Defend the base by... defeating five groups of enemies.
    4: Scan five items in space.
    5: Scan five items on a planet or station.
    6: Defeat 5 groups on a planet or station.
    7: Defeat five groups on a planet or station while scanning for five things or accessing five computer consoles (which equate to the same thing)

    Notice anything? They're all boring, repetitive, unimaginative, hackneyed attempts to put in content that fail miserably unless the person doing them enjoys doing the exact same thing over and over again like some ill-programed TRS80 computer (10: My Dog Has Fleas. 20: Goto 10).

    Cryptic has a track record in STO of promising the moon and then handing you a Nerf wiffle ball.

    Either you haven't been around long enough to see that, or you're just willingly blinding yourself to it.

    Which is it, I wonder?
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