I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase.
sorry but you are taking the urine on those who have already purchased these and you want us to buy them again with extra dilithium :eek: , how about a discount for those who already have them ? . this would go a little of the way to make up for your error/bug
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Archon, with all due respect this is not about people feeling "disappointed" it's about people feeling robbed & jipped etc. Obviously you guys are not trying to do that, but you can't escape the PERCEPTION of people looking at this change.
You guys have the power to reverse this decision and do RIGHT by the players.
Possible alternatives:
-offer DIL refunds to players who have purchased them (either in full or in part)
-grandfather existing weapons out in players hands. Make the change for all purchases moving forward.
-leave them alone power wise, but alter them to be equipped on Andorian escort only.
-leave them just as they are, and change the text. I don't think the players care that you guys think the only way to get "MK XII" gear is through rep/endgame.
-leave them alone, but add another affix for the "fleet" versions.
Or some combination of the above.
A Bait and switch, regardless of it is done maliciously or to correct a released error, is still a problem on every level for you and your PR team, even if only the perception of a B&S. No good comes from this change, really.
Embrace the players' wishes on this and seek another route to "correct" the mistake, that doesn't make players feel taken advantage of.
If anything, this issue alongside the issues with the ship at launch point CLEARLY that you guys need more testing (whether that be time spent with, more peoples' hands on, or both ) for upcoming items. Something we as a vocal forum have been shouting since Free2Play launch.
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
ArchonCryptic,
I understand where you are coming from regarding the downgrading of Andorian Weapons. However, there is indeed a bait-and-switch situation present here, so why not allow dilithium refunds via dilitium store, e.g., 1 Andorian phaser beam array for 22k dilithium? If this is not feasible, then you could run a database query that does the refund as a 1-time operation during the next patch day, removing all current Andorian weapons from player ships and inventories while refunding them the exact dilithium costs of the weapons deleted. This would accomplish Cryptic's goal of rebalancing all Andorian phasers while letting players recoup any early-adopter losses.
Thank you for your time...
EDIT: BTW, I did not purchase any Andorian phasers -- my ships are already equipped with elite fleet phasers. However, I find it difficult to remain silent on the subject just because I was not directly affected by such stat-corrections.
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
A win/win here is to increase the Dil cost of the ones currently in the store instead of nerfing (and it *is* a nerf) the ones people already bought. Since we have to have an Andorian Escort to already get the weapons, we have already paid a premium for them just to unlock them. No one should be upset by the price increase. Just call the earlier price an introductory sale.
See, easy peasy.
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I pulled the trigger on my set last night and to be honest yea they are fun, yes they come with pretty crappy weapons other then the wing cannon, I like that one. My advise is ditch the andorian consoles and use ones that beef it up a bit and use the quad cannon or fleet phasers then stack the phaser consoles, that would also beef up the DPS of the wing cannon. I like my purchase my only grip's is i wish it had 3 aft weapon slots and one more engineering console slot for the tact ship...it is kinda brittle without it. when in battle...KEEP MOVING...This is difficult for me since as a engineer who generally sits and tanks it out it is forcing me to change tactics.
I wish whatever phasers we use on it would change to blue though..lmao:D
I just want to say that i'm using disruptors right now since i already had them, even with those the ship has thrown some decent dps.
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Sorry this is not acceptable. Think you really we paying again dilithium for another batch of andorian weapons after you nerf this ones.
No thank you, find a way to give our dilithium back for the weapons or in my case the 44.99EUR was the last time PW got money from me, it's that simple.................... :mad:
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
This post is so wrong on so many levels.
I'm not disappointed. I'm angry. I read the stats that Cryptic provided for the weapons before buying them. If a Cryptic employee can't do their job properly and makes an error that puts people out of pocket then it's Cryptic's responsibility, not ours. So no, I don't think you understand at all.
Very nice of you to put some information in one of your posts. I don't read every post on the forums and as such I didnt read that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who hang around the forums didn't read it, too. What about the people who don't actually read the forum at all? Too bad for us all for Cryptic's error?
You say that Cryptic didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Intentional or not, we were mislead. Intentional or not, Cryptic did the misleading. Cryptic needs to man up and take the responsibility for this. Passing the buck like this is weak with a side order of weak with plenty of weak sauce on top.
Cryptic has an opportunity right about now. It has an opportunity to realise that it made an error, be it intentional or not, and support, not punish, the people who have followed and supported this game. As was suggested earlier you could refund the dilithium and remove the weapons from our characters. This is fair and protects everyone who spent dilithium and real money on these weapons. Nobody would lose out and your balance would be preserved. Locking down the weapons that have already been released is also a satisfactory solution. You may say that the weapons already sold would be out of balance but Cryptic could use that as a lesson to get it right next time.
Let's see what you do. Let's see if you take the high moral ground and take responsibility for your error or if you take the weak way out and nerf items so they become what we did not pay for.
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
I think the big thing with the Spiral Wave is that it's the only thing that makes the Galor special... and then the funny thing is that you don't need to put those on the Galor. The Galor looks beautiful but is probably outclassed by every other lockbox ship.
The funny thing to me is that the D'Kora can equip DHCs and the Galor can't when there's IP evidence for the Galor being heavy cannon ready and using "pulse weapons". And, for that matter, classifying the Galor as a Destroyer would have IP evidence as well (as it's called a "Destroyer" more than once) and the one thing in game terms that's an obstacle to it being a tanky Destroyer is the ability to equip DHCs.
I'm not disappointed. I'm angry. I read the stats that Cryptic provided for the weapons before buying them. If a Cryptic employee can't do their job properly and makes an error that puts people out of pocket then it's Cryptic's responsibility, not ours. So no, I don't think you understand at all.
Very nice of you to put some information in one of your posts. I don't read every post on the forums and as such I didnt read that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who hang around the forums didn't read it, too. What about the people who don't actually read the forum at all? Too bad for us all for Cryptic's error?
You say that Cryptic didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Intentional or not, we were mislead. Intentional or not, Cryptic did the misleading. Cryptic needs to man up and take the responsibility for this. Passing the buck like this is weak with a side order of weak with plenty of weak sauce on top.
Cryptic has an opportunity right about now. It has an opportunity to realise that it made an error, be it intentional or not, and support, not punish, the people who have followed and supported this game. As was suggested earlier you could refund the dilithium and remove the weapons from our characters. This is fair and protects everyone who spent dilithium and real money on these weapons. Nobody would lose out and your balance would be preserved. Locking down the weapons that have already been released is also a satisfactory solution. You may say that the weapons already sold would be out of balance but Cryptic could use that as a lesson to get it right next time.
Let's see what you do. Let's see if you take the high moral ground and take responsibility for your error or if you take the weak way out and nerf items so they become what we did not pay for.
Where's the fun in going the moral high ground?
But seriously, why do we need an apology for every mistake we're subjected to, intentional or not? Time spent apologizing could very well be spent on game things, or their families, or sleep, or anything else productive.
I acknowledge the change, even having bought the Andorian weapons either, and simply move on. True I 'paid' for it with Dilithilum, but everything in-game is subject to changes, and they have to right to change them anytime they like. This includes things bought with real-life money.
I understand that, and don't bother worrying about 'my money's worth'. I discovered years ago that it's just an unnecessary waste of feelings. And yes, that is my honest opinion
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
As someone who did not buy these weapons yet I can say I'm looking forward to the blue Fleet phasers.
However, this kind of thing really sucks for everyone that buy it and I feel really bad for them.
I ask this sincerely, is it really that hard to make the current ones say Mark 12, then remove them from the store?
The early adopters catch a nice break, then you can add your crappy Mark 11's to the Dil store that no one will buy.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
Why don't you just add them to the Dilithium Store, at the higher price? Since there already IS the lockout of requiring the Andorian ship to purchase?
I understand the disappointment that some people are feeling at the stats being decreased. To be clear, we were certainly not intentionally misleading anyone. I detailed the intent behind these weapons in a previous post (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=8322161&postcount=98). The stats on these weapons were a bug, plain and simple.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
is this cryptic or gearbox we are dealing with ? , please cryptic don't punish early buyers of these weapons . cause if you do it will make players think twice before buying in the future
is this cryptic or gearbox we are dealing with ? , please cryptic don't punish early buyers of these weapons . cause if you do it will make players think twice before buying in the future
I've spent quite a bit of money on this game in the past. How much I spend in the future is riding on what happens with this.
Really? Did anyone really 'break the bank' over these phasers, or are people just being upset on 'principle'? I've bought an almost complete set, because I wanted blue weapons that were significantly better than the white mk x ones it came with. That's what I got, and that's what I'll still have after the fix. I'm not one to worry about whether they're truly 'end-game'. I've put down dilithium for mk XI romulan beams too because they're cheaper to outfit a whole ship than mk xii and work fine. As long as you have some patience, one can get the dilithium without forking over piles of cash.
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Why does this remind me of the tholian MK XII ground set (personal shield energy resistance to be precise) nerf that PvPers called for and got?
Ah yes, cause I paid Lobi to get it.
Cryptic, when people pay for an item they can only see what is written on it, it is YOUR job and your QA people to ensure that such things would NEVER happen, I mean releasing an item to the Live server with erroneus values/stats.
You failed again and then you just nerf it all and say you re sorry?
I want a Dil refund too, add a new functionality to the Ferengi Prototype Collector, Dilithium for andorian MK XI Phasers.
Just refund like 90% of the dilithium amount paid so people will not find ways to exploit or switch the phasers endlessly, but PLEASE, do something for your customers who claimed these phasers based on your misleading.
These items were intended to be for fun and flavor purposes. While some of the posters have noted that Spiral Wave Disruptors are a similar case, those weapons are significantly more expensive and only a specific weapon type (Beam Array) is available. Making all weapon types at that level of power available on the Dilithium store would represent a significant change to our game's loot progression.
Okay, they're blue, there's the flavor. How could you guys see any "fun" in charging this much dil for clearly inferior weapons, which they would have been without the 0-day error? I simply wouldn't have bothered and went with the fleet phaser DHC's/turrets I already have. NO ONE has to walk away from this with hard feelings, if you're willing to be flexible. Tie these weapons to the ship line, and increase their cost accordingly. For the people who already popped for them, class the weapons as XII. Chalk the entire situation up as a learning experience and leave it alone.
For those of you who are interested in more powerful Andorian Phasers, I will be adding Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers to the fleet store. These are statistically identical to other Advanced Fleet Phasers and require an Andorian Escort to purchase. The only difference between these and standard Advanced Fleet Phasers is cosmetic.
So, your solution to this is to sell the SAME exact weapons to me twice, and tell me it's raining? With all due respect Archon, that's not a solution that takes the fact that Cryptic should, to some degree at least, feel beholding to your customers. As much as I love this game, with all its problems, you guys are going WAY to far with this, even for me.
I really do hope that you guys (who actually BOUGHT these things) are as honked about this is I am.
Really? Did anyone really 'break the bank' over these phasers, or are people just being upset on 'principle'? I've bought an almost complete set, because I wanted blue weapons that were significantly better than the white mk x ones it came with. That's what I got, and that's what I'll still have after the fix. I'm not one to worry about whether they're truly 'end-game'. I've put down dilithium for mk XI romulan beams too because they're cheaper to outfit a whole ship than mk xii and work fine. As long as you have some patience, one can get the dilithium without forking over piles of cash.
22k each but only able to refine 8k per day , that's a lot of time refining dilithium to buy 5 of these weapons only for them to be nerfed . no wonder people are miffed
Really? Did anyone really 'break the bank' over these phasers, or are people just being upset on 'principle'?
Why does it matter to you? You feel good about kitting "cheap" weapons? So? I couldn't care less. Please, return the favor. Not everything is about what you think.
People face it: you gambled. You bought Mk XI phasers with stats of Mk XII phasers. Either (1) the stats where wrong or (2)they were labeled wrong.
As we know now alternative (1) is true. Since you bought an virtual item with ingame currency (dil) you are not entitled for refunds. Covered by Eula etc.
The ****storm is quite limited. A 7 page thread is negligible.
I still think it would be better just to change the name to MK XII. Some good news couldn't hurt atm. Plus there are better "endgame" alternatives to bog standard MK XII phasers.
People are even begging to get ripped off. Lol. As if 24k dil wouldn't already be horrible overpriced just for the cosmetic effect.
@archoncryptic:
Can we pls get a bit different modifiers to the standard fleet phasers ? Some crit or acc instead of the lame dmg modifier would be very welcome.
Out of curiosity, which weapon type will probably deal more damage under standard combat conditions, [Acc]x2 [Dmg] or [Acc] [Dmg]x3? The [Dmg] suffix is at the bottom of the modifier effectiveness tree (Acc > CrtH > CrtD > Dmg), so I'm curious to see if Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers are actually downgrades of the current Andorian phasers present now.
If Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers do become available, I'd rather see them with [Acc]x2 [Dmg]x2 instead of the inferior [Acc] [Dmg]x3 standard stats.
People face it: you gambled. You bought Mk XI phasers with stats of Mk XII phasers. Either (1) the stats where wrong or (2)they were labeled wrong.
???
If a purchase something after considering the information provided to you by the vendor how is that gambling? I think you need to rethink what you wrote!!
If you want a more accurate description it's like buying a pack of 10 coloured pencils and a few days later the pencil company comes and takes the blue one away. They then state that they made a mistake and you never should have had that blue pencil even though the description on the box said it should have been included.
And yes, I understand Spinal Wave Disruptors are supposed to be a replacer since the Galor comes with 4 of then by default but doesnt really change its endgame gear on pair if not superior to Fleet Weapons, its only access cost that differs.
Here's another sad note relevant to lack of validating details: Cardassian War Ships are supposed to be armed with phasers, not disruptors. From http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galor_class:
-- Tactical systems --
The arsenals of Galor-class warships vary, though typically they are armed with numerous phaser arrays. Although the Galor-class vessels were decidedly inferior to the Federation's Galaxy-class starships, they proved to be very effective against Miranda-class and other older Federation starships. (TNG: "The Wounded"; DS9: "Sacrifice of Angels", "Waltz")
In 2369, Captain Edward Jellico ordered a fleet of Galor-class starships to leave the McAllister C-5 Nebula one-by-one, ejecting their primary phaser coils. (TNG: "Chain of Command, Part II")
I know this sounds trivial, but look at how lack of attention to simple details lead to the upcoming Andorian phaser nerf...
Spiral Wave Disruptors should have been Spiral Wave Phasers, but what do we know...
People before already asked for MK XII versions, this is because most people beLIEve what the game tells them, you need exterior programs to actually see the truth and they just see "Mk XI" and "rare" without actually testing, also from what I read they arent superior or equal, just slightly inferior with a DPS difference of 10, short but its there.
Also do you gamble when you go to a restaurant and ask for a beef steak and instead you get served horse steak? without being in Europe that is.
What you are saying is this, its FINE to be LIED to since it said one thing and did another ... sure its error in your favor but there is also a card on Monopoly were you get money because "the bank made a error in your favor", it happens but saying its FINE when its against the player? Usually when that happens its a bug ... funny that.
I didnt ordered horse steak.
No, but it's okay for them to make mistakes
They made a mistake in the labeling of the weapons. And a mistake means it was NOT intentional. Meaning you were not lied to in the first place, despite all people saying otherwise.
Now they simply corrected the error. Simple as that, and not an issue, I think
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
They made a mistake in the labeling of the weapons. And a mistake means it was NOT intentional. Meaning you were not lied to in the first place, despite all people saying otherwise.
Now they simply corrected the error. Simple as that, and not an issue, I think
Regardless of whether or not it was a mistake, error, miscalculation, mislabel, slip-up, blunder or whatever, people were affected. As people were affected it is NOT simple as that and it IS an issue.
Out of curiosity, do you have the ship and di you buy the weapons? I'm guessing no to at least one of those.
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sorry but you are taking the urine on those who have already purchased these and you want us to buy them again with extra dilithium :eek: , how about a discount for those who already have them ? . this would go a little of the way to make up for your error/bug
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Archon, with all due respect this is not about people feeling "disappointed" it's about people feeling robbed & jipped etc. Obviously you guys are not trying to do that, but you can't escape the PERCEPTION of people looking at this change.
You guys have the power to reverse this decision and do RIGHT by the players.
Possible alternatives:
-offer DIL refunds to players who have purchased them (either in full or in part)
-grandfather existing weapons out in players hands. Make the change for all purchases moving forward.
-leave them alone power wise, but alter them to be equipped on Andorian escort only.
-leave them just as they are, and change the text. I don't think the players care that you guys think the only way to get "MK XII" gear is through rep/endgame.
-leave them alone, but add another affix for the "fleet" versions.
Or some combination of the above.
A Bait and switch, regardless of it is done maliciously or to correct a released error, is still a problem on every level for you and your PR team, even if only the perception of a B&S. No good comes from this change, really.
Embrace the players' wishes on this and seek another route to "correct" the mistake, that doesn't make players feel taken advantage of.
If anything, this issue alongside the issues with the ship at launch point CLEARLY that you guys need more testing (whether that be time spent with, more peoples' hands on, or both ) for upcoming items. Something we as a vocal forum have been shouting since Free2Play launch.
ArchonCryptic,
I understand where you are coming from regarding the downgrading of Andorian Weapons. However, there is indeed a bait-and-switch situation present here, so why not allow dilithium refunds via dilitium store, e.g., 1 Andorian phaser beam array for 22k dilithium? If this is not feasible, then you could run a database query that does the refund as a 1-time operation during the next patch day, removing all current Andorian weapons from player ships and inventories while refunding them the exact dilithium costs of the weapons deleted. This would accomplish Cryptic's goal of rebalancing all Andorian phasers while letting players recoup any early-adopter losses.
Thank you for your time...
EDIT: BTW, I did not purchase any Andorian phasers -- my ships are already equipped with elite fleet phasers. However, I find it difficult to remain silent on the subject just because I was not directly affected by such stat-corrections.
A win/win here is to increase the Dil cost of the ones currently in the store instead of nerfing (and it *is* a nerf) the ones people already bought. Since we have to have an Andorian Escort to already get the weapons, we have already paid a premium for them just to unlock them. No one should be upset by the price increase. Just call the earlier price an introductory sale.
See, easy peasy.
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
I wish whatever phasers we use on it would change to blue though..lmao:D
I just want to say that i'm using disruptors right now since i already had them, even with those the ship has thrown some decent dps.
Sorry this is not acceptable. Think you really we paying again dilithium for another batch of andorian weapons after you nerf this ones.
No thank you, find a way to give our dilithium back for the weapons or in my case the 44.99EUR was the last time PW got money from me, it's that simple.................... :mad:
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This post is so wrong on so many levels.
I'm not disappointed. I'm angry. I read the stats that Cryptic provided for the weapons before buying them. If a Cryptic employee can't do their job properly and makes an error that puts people out of pocket then it's Cryptic's responsibility, not ours. So no, I don't think you understand at all.
Very nice of you to put some information in one of your posts. I don't read every post on the forums and as such I didnt read that. I'm pretty sure a lot of people who hang around the forums didn't read it, too. What about the people who don't actually read the forum at all? Too bad for us all for Cryptic's error?
You say that Cryptic didn't intentionally mislead anyone. Intentional or not, we were mislead. Intentional or not, Cryptic did the misleading. Cryptic needs to man up and take the responsibility for this. Passing the buck like this is weak with a side order of weak with plenty of weak sauce on top.
Cryptic has an opportunity right about now. It has an opportunity to realise that it made an error, be it intentional or not, and support, not punish, the people who have followed and supported this game. As was suggested earlier you could refund the dilithium and remove the weapons from our characters. This is fair and protects everyone who spent dilithium and real money on these weapons. Nobody would lose out and your balance would be preserved. Locking down the weapons that have already been released is also a satisfactory solution. You may say that the weapons already sold would be out of balance but Cryptic could use that as a lesson to get it right next time.
Let's see what you do. Let's see if you take the high moral ground and take responsibility for your error or if you take the weak way out and nerf items so they become what we did not pay for.
I think the big thing with the Spiral Wave is that it's the only thing that makes the Galor special... and then the funny thing is that you don't need to put those on the Galor. The Galor looks beautiful but is probably outclassed by every other lockbox ship.
The funny thing to me is that the D'Kora can equip DHCs and the Galor can't when there's IP evidence for the Galor being heavy cannon ready and using "pulse weapons". And, for that matter, classifying the Galor as a Destroyer would have IP evidence as well (as it's called a "Destroyer" more than once) and the one thing in game terms that's an obstacle to it being a tanky Destroyer is the ability to equip DHCs.
But seriously, why do we need an apology for every mistake we're subjected to, intentional or not? Time spent apologizing could very well be spent on game things, or their families, or sleep, or anything else productive.
I acknowledge the change, even having bought the Andorian weapons either, and simply move on. True I 'paid' for it with Dilithilum, but everything in-game is subject to changes, and they have to right to change them anytime they like. This includes things bought with real-life money.
I understand that, and don't bother worrying about 'my money's worth'. I discovered years ago that it's just an unnecessary waste of feelings. And yes, that is my honest opinion
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
As someone who did not buy these weapons yet I can say I'm looking forward to the blue Fleet phasers.
However, this kind of thing really sucks for everyone that buy it and I feel really bad for them.
I ask this sincerely, is it really that hard to make the current ones say Mark 12, then remove them from the store?
The early adopters catch a nice break, then you can add your crappy Mark 11's to the Dil store that no one will buy.
Why don't you just add them to the Dilithium Store, at the higher price? Since there already IS the lockout of requiring the Andorian ship to purchase?
Wow..this sucks big time.
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I've spent quite a bit of money on this game in the past. How much I spend in the future is riding on what happens with this.
Please learn from SOE's past errors as opposed to repeating them.
same here with spending over ?1000 in the last year on this game , even my computer did not cost that much to build
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Ah yes, cause I paid Lobi to get it.
Cryptic, when people pay for an item they can only see what is written on it, it is YOUR job and your QA people to ensure that such things would NEVER happen, I mean releasing an item to the Live server with erroneus values/stats.
You failed again and then you just nerf it all and say you re sorry?
I want a Dil refund too, add a new functionality to the Ferengi Prototype Collector, Dilithium for andorian MK XI Phasers.
Just refund like 90% of the dilithium amount paid so people will not find ways to exploit or switch the phasers endlessly, but PLEASE, do something for your customers who claimed these phasers based on your misleading.
Okay, they're blue, there's the flavor. How could you guys see any "fun" in charging this much dil for clearly inferior weapons, which they would have been without the 0-day error? I simply wouldn't have bothered and went with the fleet phaser DHC's/turrets I already have. NO ONE has to walk away from this with hard feelings, if you're willing to be flexible. Tie these weapons to the ship line, and increase their cost accordingly. For the people who already popped for them, class the weapons as XII. Chalk the entire situation up as a learning experience and leave it alone.
So, your solution to this is to sell the SAME exact weapons to me twice, and tell me it's raining? With all due respect Archon, that's not a solution that takes the fact that Cryptic should, to some degree at least, feel beholding to your customers. As much as I love this game, with all its problems, you guys are going WAY to far with this, even for me.
I really do hope that you guys (who actually BOUGHT these things) are as honked about this is I am.
22k each but only able to refine 8k per day , that's a lot of time refining dilithium to buy 5 of these weapons only for them to be nerfed . no wonder people are miffed
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Why does it matter to you? You feel good about kitting "cheap" weapons? So? I couldn't care less. Please, return the favor. Not everything is about what you think.
As we know now alternative (1) is true. Since you bought an virtual item with ingame currency (dil) you are not entitled for refunds. Covered by Eula etc.
The ****storm is quite limited. A 7 page thread is negligible.
I still think it would be better just to change the name to MK XII. Some good news couldn't hurt atm. Plus there are better "endgame" alternatives to bog standard MK XII phasers.
People are even begging to get ripped off. Lol. As if 24k dil wouldn't already be horrible overpriced just for the cosmetic effect.
@archoncryptic:
Can we pls get a bit different modifiers to the standard fleet phasers ? Some crit or acc instead of the lame dmg modifier would be very welcome.
If Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers do become available, I'd rather see them with [Acc]x2 [Dmg]x2 instead of the inferior [Acc] [Dmg]x3 standard stats.
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If a purchase something after considering the information provided to you by the vendor how is that gambling? I think you need to rethink what you wrote!!
If you want a more accurate description it's like buying a pack of 10 coloured pencils and a few days later the pencil company comes and takes the blue one away. They then state that they made a mistake and you never should have had that blue pencil even though the description on the box said it should have been included.
Here's another sad note relevant to lack of validating details: Cardassian War Ships are supposed to be armed with phasers, not disruptors. From http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Galor_class:
I know this sounds trivial, but look at how lack of attention to simple details lead to the upcoming Andorian phaser nerf...
Spiral Wave Disruptors should have been Spiral Wave Phasers, but what do we know...
They made a mistake in the labeling of the weapons. And a mistake means it was NOT intentional. Meaning you were not lied to in the first place, despite all people saying otherwise.
Now they simply corrected the error. Simple as that, and not an issue, I think
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Regardless of whether or not it was a mistake, error, miscalculation, mislabel, slip-up, blunder or whatever, people were affected. As people were affected it is NOT simple as that and it IS an issue.
Out of curiosity, do you have the ship and di you buy the weapons? I'm guessing no to at least one of those.