Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
The Fleet weapons will still only be available to people with an Andorian Escort.
We're not expecting this to start a precedent; these weapons are intended to be a purely cosmetic change from existing Phasers. We're not intending to put upgraded versions of everything on the Fleet store at this time. It's always possible we might consider doing other cool Fleet stuff in the future, but this isn't intended to be any kind of sign of things to come.
Thank you for this option,
but since my fed fleet is down to essentially 1-3 members (since season 7 started) not counting my alts i shall hold onto them for now since i do like the FLAVOR and we are nowhere near enough to get advanced fleet weapons from the fleet star base. I imagine a lot of solo players maybe in the same boat.
just my personal opinion but going forward if the next new "SHINY" ship that people are gonna layout cash for could be double/triple/quadruple checked for errors before release these problems would not be problems.
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
Especially since you can hold on to the Prototype weapons as long as you like, then get Fleet ones when they come out. Pretty cool I'll have to check if the Fleet versions still have ACCx2, though. But I'm pretty pleased by this.
Except there's no REAL reason to keep them, or buy the fleet version. When they were [DMG] ACCx3.5 (with the set bonus) they were more than useable. Besides, I had a set of fleet phaser DHCs and turrets ready to go, JIC. But yeah, this is a decent outcome.
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
Thank you for your patience.
I know I've been a major flag waver during the great Andorian Arms Deal of 2013 and you may think of me as an a$$hole, but at the end of the day all I want is fairness. I don't want anything unless I've earned or paid for it.
I know I've been a major flag waver during the great Andorian Arms Deal of 2013 and you may think of me as an a$$hole, but at the end of the day all I want is fairness. I don't want anything unless I've earned or paid for it.
Thank you.
Well said and exactly right. This solution also calls BS on the idea that we ALL better just rollover and take it. I can't help but wonder if the boosters of this sad approach will come back just long enough to say that they were wrong.
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
So it means that people buying these weapons will get a refund once they stop using their andorian escort if they want to? Nice. Can we get that for all the reputation and fleet stuff too? :P
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
Thank you for your patience.
So for those of us that bought these items in good faith and are in small Fleets which are light years from any Fleet weapons will there be a special vendor that I can buy these Fleet weapons from?
If not your placation does nothing.
Just change the already bought Andorian Phaser Weapons to these Fleet weapons instead of nerfing already bought items.
So for those of us that bought these items in good faith and are in small Fleets which are light years from any Fleet weapons will there be a special vendor that I can buy these Fleet weapons from?
If not your placation does nothing.
Just change the already bought Andorian Phaser Weapons to these Fleet weapons instead of nerfing already bought items.
It actually does. YOu can either keep the weapons with reduced stats or get your Dilithium back and go an with your day.
My Fleet is still a bit away from getting the needed tier in ENG for the weapons, Oh well.
ANd no, there won't be a "Special vendor" to buy fleet weapons from. THat would completely negate the point of the fleet stores.
THis is a damn good compromise and you're acting like an entitled prat.
Any other place and I could simply walk up to a policeman, describe the situation, and have him arrest the salesman for Fraud.
I'm not a prat, but I am in Law Enforcement.
LEAVE THE WEAPONS AS THEY ARE.
Many MMO's have "Legacy" items, including this one.
Except for this whole "THey're giving you your currency back in exchange for the items."
THey're making good. You are acting like a Prat and a police officer won't just up and arrest a business rep (Salesmean, manager, owner) without giving them the chance to make good.
Cryptic is making good. Stop acting like an entitled prat.
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
Thank you for your patience.
Not the solution I was hoping for, but a solution never the less. It's your game and your call and this does fix the issue, in a fashion.
May I please offer a suggestion in the future for situations like these? If you are selling ships in a bundle, with vanity special weapons, please offer a standard set of these weapons for the players who purchase the bundle.
I think that's fair, and you'd be amazed how many players will still buy additional weapons in the dilithium store as they tweak layouts. We do like to tinker.
Also, please think about including spiral wave disruptor turrets and cannons to the dilithium store. I would buy them TODAY if they were offered.
I thank you for your thoughtfulness and time rectifying this situation for us.
The Fleet weapons will still only be available to people with an Andorian Escort.
We're not expecting this to start a precedent; these weapons are intended to be a purely cosmetic change from existing Phasers. We're not intending to put upgraded versions of everything on the Fleet store at this time. It's always possible we might consider doing other cool Fleet stuff in the future, but this isn't intended to be any kind of sign of things to come.
My KDF toon has a Mirror Universe Vo'quv Carrier I bought from the exchange. I went to the shipyard to see what kinds of hangar pets I could buy with energy credits. I saw the S'kul Fighters and it is something I've been wanting but........it won't allow me to purchase them. I put my mouse over the pets and it says "Can be launched from any Flight Deck Cruiser or Carrier". OK........I could use it on ANY carrier ship but can't purchase it? In fact, almost half of the KDF hangar pets for EC I couldn't purchase. Some had a cost of 0 EC which means you have to have a specific ship to purchase and use them and it says so in the tooltip which specific ship is needed.
However I go here http://www.stowiki.org/Hangar_-_S%27kul_Fighters and under 'Notes' it says "Requires you to own the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier to purchase these." I have to purchase a C-store ship before I can purchase a hangar pet that can be used on ANY carrier???
How about that Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet in the dilithium store? Can only be used on Jem'hadar Dreadnaught Carrier but people say it requires you own the full Jem'hadar Attack Ship, which is no longer obtainable except for whatever players are selling in the exchange, if any are left, and at an extremely high price.
How about the Spiral Wave Disruptor in the dilithium exchange? You have to own the Cardassian Galor (a very rare lockbox ship) before you can purchase it but it can be used on ANY ship.
And now Andorian Phaser weapons in the dilithium store, and soon to be fleet store, that can be used on any ship but you have to own at least 1 of the $25 ships from the C-store.
Don't know if there are any other items besides these that "can be used on any ship but you have to own a specific C-store or lockbox ship first".
You're right. You're not setting a precedent. It was already set a while back and starting to show more and more now. I can see more items like this in the future being added to the game. Great marketing scheme. Get people to open tons of lockboxes or purchase expensive C-store ships just so they can purchase an item in game that can be used on ANY ship.
Edit: And the problem with these types of items is that they all either say you can use them on any compatible ship, they say what specific ship they can be used on, or nothing at all, but not a single one of them says you have to purchase a specific ship first, much less WHICH specific ship you need to buy. I have to go to STO wiki to figure out what stinking C-store ship I'm going to need to purchase before I can get a specific hangar pet I want, and quite frankly, there's no way in hell I'm going to buy a C-store ship I'm never going to use just to be able to buy a pet or weapon that I want. No thanks.
We're not expecting this to start a precedent; these weapons are intended to be a purely cosmetic change from existing Phasers. We're not intending to put upgraded versions of everything on the Fleet store at this time. It's always possible we might consider doing other cool Fleet stuff in the future, but this isn't intended to be any kind of sign of things to come.
Aw, that's too bad. Are you sure you wouldn't rather take my money for some Fleet Spiral Waves?
cryptic - "oh heres some awesome new weapons!!!!!"
tons of people go out and buy them
cryptic - "oh sorry we actually meant these worse ones, TRLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLO"""""
THANKS FOR THE BAIT AND SWITCH CRYPTIC
I want to be able to trade these weapons in for fleet versions minus fleet credit cost, minus the original cost of dilithium, with appropriate tier engineering starbase available.
the minus fleet credit cost is my fee for hassling people over your bait and switch cryptic.
A part of me is upset that y'all are offering these andorian weapons in the fleet store. Simply because prior to this the only way to get them was to buy the ship, which people did partly to get the "Blue" Phasers with very good modifiers compared to other dilithium equipment.
So y'all are just going to TRIBBLE the people who bought the ships for the weapons by giving everyone the weapons (which have better modifiers).
Now don't take me wrong i do like the fact that we are actually getting descent fleet weapons. So far the fleet weapons have been TRIBBLE...Don't have a one fleet weapon to my name atm.
Please correct me if im wrong.
And if the andorian advanced fleet weapons end up being dmgx3....i give up.
A part of me is upset that y'all are offering these andorian weapons in the fleet store. Simply because prior to this the only way to get them was to buy the ship, which people did partly to get the "Blue" Phasers with very good modifiers compared to other dilithium equipment.
So y'all are just going to TRIBBLE the people who bought the ships for the weapons by giving everyone the weapons (which have better modifiers).
Now don't take me wrong i do like the fact that we are actually getting descent fleet weapons. So far the fleet weapons have been TRIBBLE...Don't have a one fleet weapon to my name atm.
Please correct me if im wrong.
I beleive the fleet andorian weapons will be unlocked the same as dilithium store weapons, you must buy the ship first.
I find the present solution to be fair and equitable. People who bought something thinking they'd be good can get their money back, and the D-Store can go back to being the repository of worthless TRIBBLE taking up space on my HUD. All is right in the universe again.
Existing Andorian Phasers from the Dilithium Store are being changed to "Prototype Andorian Phasers". These will still be getting the bug fix that adjusts their stats to Mark XI, however, they can be traded in to the Ferengi Collector (the same one that collects Prototype Consoles) for a box of Refined Dilithum with the same amount as how much they cost. Essentially, a full refund for the item.
New Andorian Phasers with the correct Mark XI stats will be available on the Dilithium Store. These are identical to the prototype ones except that they can't be traded back in to the Ferengi Collector, since their stats properly reflect their mark now.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
Thank you for your patience.
Likewise, a sincere thank you for listening to the feedback here. One polite question, would you consider Elite versions as well, for those with Tier 5 Engineering? The Elite Restorative, but blue, that is.
Fleet Leader of the first completed T5 Shipyard on Holodeck (January 24, 2013)
Part of the first team to beat the No Win Scenario (both KDF and Fed)
It's been a long road, getting from there to here~
Yes, its called being a perk of owning the ship, the Stalker Fighters are in exactly the same boat even if its not noticeable since there is only one carrier on the Federation side.
How is that a "perk"? The rare blue hangar pets you can buy for EC at the KDF shipyard which require the purchase of a C-store ship, or lockbox ship, before you can obtain them, don't have much of an EC price difference compared to all the other hangar pets that I can get with EC which don't require a special ship first. A "perk" would be if these items could be equipped ONLY on the ship(s) you need to own before purchasing them. Since they can be used on any ship, they are no different than any other item that does NOT require making a separate purchase.
KDF have more, there are ones that require owning the ship and ones that dont ... since there are more carriers on KDF this is more notable.
True.
I am sorry but if the one above I could give you some slack, this one was stated from the START they would require it.
And it was a stupid move on Cryptic's part requiring you own the Jem'hadar attack ship that can no longer be obtained except for what is left in the exchange. As soon as the Dominion lockboxes were released, or when what was in the boxes was announced, the Jem'hadar Attack Ship skyrocketed upwards to 500 million EC or more in the exchange simply BECAUSE you had to own that ship to get the advanced Jem'hadar Fighter pet version that could only be used on the Jem?Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier. Lots and lots of complaints about this and I think there was a Cryptic post somewhere saying the problem was going to basically be looked at.
They are there because there is no way to acquire replacements in case loss, considering the system in place this is the only way to do it ... they could put 0 cost but the weapons are simply too good and they dont have any "1 per" restriction.
I pointed out as a exception but I know why are they there.
So the Spiral Wave Disruptors in the dilithium store are exactly the same as the ones that come with the Cardassian Galor, and since they are such good weapons you gotta pay dil to replace them if you ever discarded them by accident? That I didn't know and thanks for pointing this out, as it does make sense.
And?
Yes, we pay for access to items, F2P doesnt mean this is a charity and you get everything for free.
All you mentioned require access, you want Quad in the Dilithium store too? whats next? the Wide Angle Quantum Launcher?
I am pretty sure some would like a "fleet version" of them but they arent meant to have a Fleet version and neither were the Andorian Phasers.
Only reason they are is because they feel there is interest on them, I disagree with them shoving everything under the Fleet Paywall since this is withholding access for items that require access, if there would be a Fleet version of Quads or Wide Launchers you be damn sure I would be complaining about it but there is a difference.
The Andorian Phasers that come with the Andorian Escort are not like Quads, Wide Launcher or the Spinalwave ... they have a mark.
When did I ever say I wanted them for free? I never once said that. What I was saying is I don't want to pay a lot of money for a stupid ship I don't want or will ever use just for the permission to buy these items, that can be used on ANY ship. I'm fine with paying EC and/or Dilithium, fleet credits, etc. to buy something without having to make a separate unrelated purchase. They may be related themewise, but, if these items could only be equipped on the ships that you have to buy first, THEN I would see this as a "perk" and be fine with it.
There is a rather large list and this isnt new ... apparently you think you are entitled to everything in the game, for free ... you ARENT.
Now you are getting accusatory. I never said I wanted these items completely free of charge, which includes EC/Dil/FC. Reread my entire post. My complaint is you have to own a specific ship BEFORE you can even purchase them and they can be used on ANY ship you want. Again, I have no problem paying EC/Dil/FC to obtain such items. If they could only be used on the specific ship you are required to own then I could understand the prerequisite and be fine with that. Example: The KDF S'kul Fighters can be used on any ship but you have to own the C-store Kar'Fi Battle Carrier first. My opinion is that if the S'kul Fighters were only useable on the Kar'Fi carrier then it would be worth getting the ship as I would actually be forced to use it if I wanted to use the S'kul Fighters. As it stands, I don't want the Kar'Fi but I do want the S'kuls to use on my Mirror Vo'quv Carrier, which they can be used on, but I can't unless I pay not only the EC (or dil if I want the advanced version), but I have to pay $20 for Zen to get the Kar'Fi, or spend a couple weeks grinding dil to trade for zen and I need dil for fleets and rep projects.
Also, this is what I was pointing out in response to archoncryptic who said they are not trying to start a precedent. I said the precedent is already there. The Andorian phaser ship weapons in the dil store, and soon the fleet store, can be used on any ship but you have to own a c-store ship first. And as you said, which is what I'm getting at: there are already a lot of items in the game with such prerequisites, ie., precedent already set some time ago. (unless he was referring to items in fleet stores requiring you to own a c-store or lockbox ship before you can even purchase them and they can be used on any ship)
What problem?
You cannot BUY them anyway so the problem is ... you want to have them but not pay the price.
Again, I never once said I want them for free. I don't want to have to buy a ship I don't want and will never use just to be able to use them on the ships I already have and do use. Enough with the accusations.
I seen many Federation players wanting access to a universal cloak console ... no way should they get one.
There are 2 C-store Fed ships that come with a universal cloak console already: the Dreadnaught Cruiser and the Tactical Escort Retrofit (the fleet counterparts don't come with the console but can use it). And who gave you the authority to say whether or not Fed players could have access to such a device, especially when they already have it. The console can only be used on these 2 ships and their fleet counterparts, not just any ship you want.
And we come to what you want.
You want unlimited access to Very Rare Mk XII Phaser weapons with [Acc]x2 [Dmg].
FOR FREE!
Sure I would LOVE to get unlimited access to those too and I guess most people here would also want too ... at least without paying 1-2 million EC for it but we dont and I can understand why and the fact is you dont give a damn about then being Andorian Phasers, you just want access to weapons that go for a million EC or so in the Exchange.
Well I would like a Ferengi KDF option with a D'kora waiting for me at Lv 45 along with a Na'Far shuttle, I would even pay 10,000 Zen for it and unlike you I apparently AM willing to pay for it with real money.
AGAIN, I never EVER said I want stuff for free, nor did I say I wanted that specific type of weapon. I'd be happy to buy it with EC or Dilithium, but not at the expense of needing to buy a ship I DON'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WILL NEVER USE.
Here is a metaphor:
My complaint is that it's like going to the tire store to get new tires. You want the tires that cost a little more and are of somewhat better quality. But the tire salesman says "if you want to buy these tires you have to buy this brand new expensive car from me first", even though the tires would fit the car you already own and work fine with it. This is my friggen point.
If such items work and can be used on ships I already have, why do I have to buy a $20 or more C-store ship, or spend who knows how much on lockbox keys, before I can buy said items? I'm not going to buy a Corvette just so I can have the permission to buy Michelin tires that will fit the car I currently have. I'll stick with some off brand cheapos.
Finally, for those of you who want more powerful Andorian Phasers, we will still be putting Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers on the Fleet store in the near future.
If you don't mind answering -- at what Starbase Tier can players expect to unlock the option for these weapons ?
Could you perhaps offer a consideration to Fleets at a lower Tier , and put the access to these weapons there ?
To give an example , many fleets are making progress to unlock ships rather then weapons .
To have those fleets now change their progress based on the requirements of ... say a few who have the Kumari -- well that could lead to some unpleasant situations .
I would imagine, if they are going to be Advanced Fleet Andorian Phasers it'll be Tier 2 engineering, which is pretty low on the scale. Also shows the capability level that they will have though...
This is of course assuming that they do it like all the other Advanced Fleet Weapons.
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Thank you for this option,
but since my fed fleet is down to essentially 1-3 members (since season 7 started) not counting my alts i shall hold onto them for now since i do like the FLAVOR and we are nowhere near enough to get advanced fleet weapons from the fleet star base. I imagine a lot of solo players maybe in the same boat.
just my personal opinion but going forward if the next new "SHINY" ship that people are gonna layout cash for could be double/triple/quadruple checked for errors before release these problems would not be problems.
Good Hunting all
Thank you.
Except there's no REAL reason to keep them, or buy the fleet version. When they were [DMG] ACCx3.5 (with the set bonus) they were more than useable. Besides, I had a set of fleet phaser DHCs and turrets ready to go, JIC. But yeah, this is a decent outcome.
I know I've been a major flag waver during the great Andorian Arms Deal of 2013 and you may think of me as an a$$hole, but at the end of the day all I want is fairness. I don't want anything unless I've earned or paid for it.
Thank you.
Well said and exactly right. This solution also calls BS on the idea that we ALL better just rollover and take it. I can't help but wonder if the boosters of this sad approach will come back just long enough to say that they were wrong.
Nah. But you'll run into them again the next time something similar happens.
So it means that people buying these weapons will get a refund once they stop using their andorian escort if they want to? Nice. Can we get that for all the reputation and fleet stuff too? :P
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
So for those of us that bought these items in good faith and are in small Fleets which are light years from any Fleet weapons will there be a special vendor that I can buy these Fleet weapons from?
If not your placation does nothing.
Just change the already bought Andorian Phaser Weapons to these Fleet weapons instead of nerfing already bought items.
And I'll be here to beat them over the head with reality.
It actually does. YOu can either keep the weapons with reduced stats or get your Dilithium back and go an with your day.
My Fleet is still a bit away from getting the needed tier in ENG for the weapons, Oh well.
ANd no, there won't be a "Special vendor" to buy fleet weapons from. THat would completely negate the point of the fleet stores.
THis is a damn good compromise and you're acting like an entitled prat.
I'm not a prat, but I am in Law Enforcement.
LEAVE THE WEAPONS AS THEY ARE.
Many MMO's have "Legacy" items, including this one.
This would have been a far more inclusive remedy.
Except for this whole "THey're giving you your currency back in exchange for the items."
THey're making good. You are acting like a Prat and a police officer won't just up and arrest a business rep (Salesmean, manager, owner) without giving them the chance to make good.
Cryptic is making good. Stop acting like an entitled prat.
Not the solution I was hoping for, but a solution never the less. It's your game and your call and this does fix the issue, in a fashion.
May I please offer a suggestion in the future for situations like these? If you are selling ships in a bundle, with vanity special weapons, please offer a standard set of these weapons for the players who purchase the bundle.
I think that's fair, and you'd be amazed how many players will still buy additional weapons in the dilithium store as they tweak layouts. We do like to tinker.
Also, please think about including spiral wave disruptor turrets and cannons to the dilithium store. I would buy them TODAY if they were offered.
I thank you for your thoughtfulness and time rectifying this situation for us.
My KDF toon has a Mirror Universe Vo'quv Carrier I bought from the exchange. I went to the shipyard to see what kinds of hangar pets I could buy with energy credits. I saw the S'kul Fighters and it is something I've been wanting but........it won't allow me to purchase them. I put my mouse over the pets and it says "Can be launched from any Flight Deck Cruiser or Carrier". OK........I could use it on ANY carrier ship but can't purchase it? In fact, almost half of the KDF hangar pets for EC I couldn't purchase. Some had a cost of 0 EC which means you have to have a specific ship to purchase and use them and it says so in the tooltip which specific ship is needed.
However I go here http://www.stowiki.org/Hangar_-_S%27kul_Fighters and under 'Notes' it says "Requires you to own the Kar'Fi Battle Carrier to purchase these." I have to purchase a C-store ship before I can purchase a hangar pet that can be used on ANY carrier???
How about that Jem'hadar attack ship hangar pet in the dilithium store? Can only be used on Jem'hadar Dreadnaught Carrier but people say it requires you own the full Jem'hadar Attack Ship, which is no longer obtainable except for whatever players are selling in the exchange, if any are left, and at an extremely high price.
How about the Spiral Wave Disruptor in the dilithium exchange? You have to own the Cardassian Galor (a very rare lockbox ship) before you can purchase it but it can be used on ANY ship.
And now Andorian Phaser weapons in the dilithium store, and soon to be fleet store, that can be used on any ship but you have to own at least 1 of the $25 ships from the C-store.
Don't know if there are any other items besides these that "can be used on any ship but you have to own a specific C-store or lockbox ship first".
You're right. You're not setting a precedent. It was already set a while back and starting to show more and more now. I can see more items like this in the future being added to the game. Great marketing scheme. Get people to open tons of lockboxes or purchase expensive C-store ships just so they can purchase an item in game that can be used on ANY ship.
Edit: And the problem with these types of items is that they all either say you can use them on any compatible ship, they say what specific ship they can be used on, or nothing at all, but not a single one of them says you have to purchase a specific ship first, much less WHICH specific ship you need to buy. I have to go to STO wiki to figure out what stinking C-store ship I'm going to need to purchase before I can get a specific hangar pet I want, and quite frankly, there's no way in hell I'm going to buy a C-store ship I'm never going to use just to be able to buy a pet or weapon that I want. No thanks.
Aw, that's too bad. Are you sure you wouldn't rather take my money for some Fleet Spiral Waves?
cryptic - "oh heres some awesome new weapons!!!!!"
tons of people go out and buy them
cryptic - "oh sorry we actually meant these worse ones, TRLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLO"""""
THANKS FOR THE BAIT AND SWITCH CRYPTIC
I want to be able to trade these weapons in for fleet versions minus fleet credit cost, minus the original cost of dilithium, with appropriate tier engineering starbase available.
the minus fleet credit cost is my fee for hassling people over your bait and switch cryptic.
So y'all are just going to TRIBBLE the people who bought the ships for the weapons by giving everyone the weapons (which have better modifiers).
Now don't take me wrong i do like the fact that we are actually getting descent fleet weapons. So far the fleet weapons have been TRIBBLE...Don't have a one fleet weapon to my name atm.
Please correct me if im wrong.
And if the andorian advanced fleet weapons end up being dmgx3....i give up.
I beleive the fleet andorian weapons will be unlocked the same as dilithium store weapons, you must buy the ship first.
Good, Thanks.
It is a wonder they even bother putting in some good faith measures like this. People are still up in arms over it.
Seems like for anyone still upset, you'll have three choices.
1. Buy/keep the andorian dil store weapons tuned to mk XI.
2. Get the fleet andorian phasers, which I assume are the same as the fleet phasers, just blue.
3. Return originally bought andorian dil store phasers for the price you bought them and wash your hands of the whole ordeal.
And of course, I was mistaken. Option 4. Impotently rage on the internet.
EDIT: Option 4 is not mutually exclusive to the 3 preceeding options nor this specific issue.
Part of the first team to beat the No Win Scenario (both KDF and Fed)
It's been a long road, getting from there to here~
Indeed.
You have to buy the car before you can start getting the options.
How is that a "perk"? The rare blue hangar pets you can buy for EC at the KDF shipyard which require the purchase of a C-store ship, or lockbox ship, before you can obtain them, don't have much of an EC price difference compared to all the other hangar pets that I can get with EC which don't require a special ship first. A "perk" would be if these items could be equipped ONLY on the ship(s) you need to own before purchasing them. Since they can be used on any ship, they are no different than any other item that does NOT require making a separate purchase.
True.
And it was a stupid move on Cryptic's part requiring you own the Jem'hadar attack ship that can no longer be obtained except for what is left in the exchange. As soon as the Dominion lockboxes were released, or when what was in the boxes was announced, the Jem'hadar Attack Ship skyrocketed upwards to 500 million EC or more in the exchange simply BECAUSE you had to own that ship to get the advanced Jem'hadar Fighter pet version that could only be used on the Jem?Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier. Lots and lots of complaints about this and I think there was a Cryptic post somewhere saying the problem was going to basically be looked at.
So the Spiral Wave Disruptors in the dilithium store are exactly the same as the ones that come with the Cardassian Galor, and since they are such good weapons you gotta pay dil to replace them if you ever discarded them by accident? That I didn't know and thanks for pointing this out, as it does make sense.
When did I ever say I wanted them for free? I never once said that. What I was saying is I don't want to pay a lot of money for a stupid ship I don't want or will ever use just for the permission to buy these items, that can be used on ANY ship. I'm fine with paying EC and/or Dilithium, fleet credits, etc. to buy something without having to make a separate unrelated purchase. They may be related themewise, but, if these items could only be equipped on the ships that you have to buy first, THEN I would see this as a "perk" and be fine with it.
Now you are getting accusatory. I never said I wanted these items completely free of charge, which includes EC/Dil/FC. Reread my entire post. My complaint is you have to own a specific ship BEFORE you can even purchase them and they can be used on ANY ship you want. Again, I have no problem paying EC/Dil/FC to obtain such items. If they could only be used on the specific ship you are required to own then I could understand the prerequisite and be fine with that. Example: The KDF S'kul Fighters can be used on any ship but you have to own the C-store Kar'Fi Battle Carrier first. My opinion is that if the S'kul Fighters were only useable on the Kar'Fi carrier then it would be worth getting the ship as I would actually be forced to use it if I wanted to use the S'kul Fighters. As it stands, I don't want the Kar'Fi but I do want the S'kuls to use on my Mirror Vo'quv Carrier, which they can be used on, but I can't unless I pay not only the EC (or dil if I want the advanced version), but I have to pay $20 for Zen to get the Kar'Fi, or spend a couple weeks grinding dil to trade for zen and I need dil for fleets and rep projects.
Also, this is what I was pointing out in response to archoncryptic who said they are not trying to start a precedent. I said the precedent is already there. The Andorian phaser ship weapons in the dil store, and soon the fleet store, can be used on any ship but you have to own a c-store ship first. And as you said, which is what I'm getting at: there are already a lot of items in the game with such prerequisites, ie., precedent already set some time ago. (unless he was referring to items in fleet stores requiring you to own a c-store or lockbox ship before you can even purchase them and they can be used on any ship)
Again, I never once said I want them for free. I don't want to have to buy a ship I don't want and will never use just to be able to use them on the ships I already have and do use. Enough with the accusations.
There are 2 C-store Fed ships that come with a universal cloak console already: the Dreadnaught Cruiser and the Tactical Escort Retrofit (the fleet counterparts don't come with the console but can use it). And who gave you the authority to say whether or not Fed players could have access to such a device, especially when they already have it. The console can only be used on these 2 ships and their fleet counterparts, not just any ship you want.
AGAIN, I never EVER said I want stuff for free, nor did I say I wanted that specific type of weapon. I'd be happy to buy it with EC or Dilithium, but not at the expense of needing to buy a ship I DON'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND WILL NEVER USE.
Here is a metaphor:
My complaint is that it's like going to the tire store to get new tires. You want the tires that cost a little more and are of somewhat better quality. But the tire salesman says "if you want to buy these tires you have to buy this brand new expensive car from me first", even though the tires would fit the car you already own and work fine with it. This is my friggen point.
If such items work and can be used on ships I already have, why do I have to buy a $20 or more C-store ship, or spend who knows how much on lockbox keys, before I can buy said items? I'm not going to buy a Corvette just so I can have the permission to buy Michelin tires that will fit the car I currently have. I'll stick with some off brand cheapos.
If you don't mind answering -- at what Starbase Tier can players expect to unlock the option for these weapons ?
Could you perhaps offer a consideration to Fleets at a lower Tier , and put the access to these weapons there ?
To give an example , many fleets are making progress to unlock ships rather then weapons .
To have those fleets now change their progress based on the requirements of ... say a few who have the Kumari -- well that could lead to some unpleasant situations .
This is of course assuming that they do it like all the other Advanced Fleet Weapons.