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Andorian Weapons in Dilithium Store

darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
edited March 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Hello.

Is it just me or are these weapons VASTLY underpowered? Cryptic, why did you not just make them equivalent to a standard Mk XII [Acc] [Dmg]x2 beam array? I don't want them to be more powerful than other weapons, I just want them to be equal to other weapons.

I know some people may say I'm wanting OP weapons but I'm not. If I wanted them to be OP I'd ask that they be greater than other weapons, like the Spiral Waves which are also available through the dilithium store if you have the right ship.

It's a real shame. I can afford to buy awesome weapons off the exchange or fleet store but I'd rather get the blue weapons to make the ship more cannon, even though the dilithium price is great. If maximising profit is a concern then I think selling substandard kit is not a wise move. (Yes, you can grind dilithium but a lot of people buy it. If they didn't the dilithium/zen exchange would exist.)

Thank you.
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  • seekerkorhilseekerkorhil Member Posts: 472
    edited March 2013
    They are Mk xii with all the dps you get from every other mk xii with those modifiers.

    The fact they say Mk xi is a description error.
  • shar487ashar487a Member Posts: 1,292 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Aren't their stats actually MK XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]?
  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    You're right. They are [Acc]x2 [Dmg] I misread them.

    I apologise for the erroneous thread!!
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    darramouss1 wrote: »
    Hello.

    Is it just me or are these weapons VASTLY underpowered?

    As an aside, if the weapons were Mk XI (instead of just being mislabeled by a typo), they would not be "vastly" underpowered compared to Mk XII.

    The difference between the Marks is not that substantial.
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  • mrgrocer56mrgrocer56 Member Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I am pleased, overall, with my DHC, turrets and DBB
  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    As an aside, if the weapons were Mk XI (instead of just being mislabeled by a typo), they would not be "vastly" underpowered compared to Mk XII.

    The difference between the Marks is not that substantial.

    Indeed. The difference between a Mx XI and a Mk XII with the same rarity and the same mods is... ten DPS? On the base, unmodified damage. That's utterly insignificant. In fact their actual damage would probably be the same, given a margin of error.
  • ariseaboveariseabove Member Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    futurepastnow wrote: »
    Indeed. The difference between a Mx XI and a Mk XII with the same rarity and the same mods is... ten DPS? On the base, unmodified damage. That's utterly insignificant. In fact their actual damage would probably be the same, given a margin of error.

    Yep, when I first got my Andorian ship I couldn't afford all Andorian Phasers so I put a Fleet MK XII till I could and while the fleet weapon has a higher base damage but lower mods by the time I did get another Andorian phaser it was better after all, even though it had a lower base damage than the fleet weapon.

    Still saving up for a turret now.

    Only non Andorian weapon staying permanetly on mine is the Quads.
  • archoncrypticarchoncryptic Member, Cryptic Developers Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store.
    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    Edit: Removed off-topic information. This will be discussed elsewhere.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store. MK XII weapons are intended to be available through other systems, such as fleet advancement and reputation rewards.

    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    We realize there's an interest in MK XII Andorian weapons and we are looking into the possibility of adding some in the future.

    Could you fix it in the same update you fix the cloaking bug? That'd be the nice thing to do, after all.
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  • entnx01entnx01 Member Posts: 549 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store.
    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    Edit: Removed off-topic information. This will be discussed elsewhere.

    No offense, but...why?

    Why not just raise the Diltihium cost and keep these there?
  • zerobangzerobang Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI,

    why?
    what are you holding the XII versions back for?
    is there an Andorian Reputation system planned? or a Fleet Holding that hands out Andorian stuff?

    i really see no reason to release these and then only hand out XI versions.
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  • leod198leod198 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Could you fix it in the same update you fix the cloaking bug? That'd be the nice thing to do, after all.

    Is int it what you call "bate and switch" tactics?
  • leod198leod198 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    snoggymack22 wrote: »
    Could you fix it in the same update you fix the cloaking bug? That'd be the nice thing to do, after all.

    Wrong remove.
  • elandarkskyelandarksky Member Posts: 1,013 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store.
    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    Edit: Removed off-topic information. This will be discussed elsewhere.

    I can imagine some unhappy backlash over that..

    But in fairness access to mxii great equipment for that dilithium price and not exactly high required effort? sounds fair
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    elandarksky wrote: »
    I can imagine some unhappy backlash over that..

    But in fairness access to mxii great equipment for that dilithium price and not exactly high required effort? sounds fair

    I really don't want them to touch the weapons. But I can't really come up with much of an argument about it.

    I was just hoping they'd take their usual time and due diligence in responding to this bug that they do quite a few other bugs.

    ;)

    And while I appreciate the idea that was edited out of the post (adding Mk XII's in somehow), I fear it'll just be a Lobi store addition. Which I can't really get excited about.
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  • archoncrypticarchoncryptic Member, Cryptic Developers Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The Dilithium store isn't intended to carry the best equipment in the game. These items were priced as Mark XI items - similar to the other gear already available in the Dilithium store. The incorrect stats were a bug, and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    As a general rule, we try to keep our endgame equipment in endgame systems, such as the Fleet system and the various Reputation systems.

    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.
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  • sean2448sean2448 Member Posts: 815 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store.
    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    Edit: Removed off-topic information. This will be discussed elsewhere.
    but why they cost so much for 11 once we hit RA upper half or MG we get 12 so why not bump up to 12 any way?
  • alastorforthrighalastorforthrigh Member Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.

    Simple, an expansion to the reputation system that unlocks gear for sub-factions within the characters own main faction. Vulcan, Andorian, Caitian ect weapons for the Federation, as well as gear (and maybe even a ship at the end). For the KDF Gorn, Orion, Ferasan, and other fringe elements. All wrapped up into a main faction reputation system that grants unique weapons from the factions that make up the main faction.
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  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.

    Just don't put it in the lobi store. Please. Some other way. The Andorian ships aren't lockbox ships so the lobi store would be odd.
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  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    The Dilithium store isn't intended to carry the best equipment in the game. These items were priced as Mark XI items - similar to the other gear already available in the Dilithium store. The incorrect stats were a bug, and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    As a general rule, we try to keep our endgame equipment in endgame systems, such as the Fleet system and the various Reputation systems.

    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.
    A bit more variety wouldn't hurt.
    The reputation system just offers Plasma weapons, OMEGA store offers just some torpedoes and the Borg cutting beam, i hope some more diversity is in the making.
    Since it is the KDF/Starfleet store, Phaser and disruptors should be availlable.

    Not everyone is part of a big T4 or T5 fleet.
    But why am i writing this, no one is listenting anyway...
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  • eisaakazeisaakaz Member Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    The Dilithium store isn't intended to carry the best equipment in the game. These items were priced as Mark XI items - similar to the other gear already available in the Dilithium store. The incorrect stats were a bug, and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    As a general rule, we try to keep our endgame equipment in endgame systems, such as the Fleet system and the various Reputation systems.

    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.

    As a developer myself... the real questions that beg to be answered here are:

    1. Why did you not have this conversation before you released these in the first place?
    2. Why were they released with a bug or error or miss information (place whatever word you need here)?

    As a development team with 3 years into a project, how are you letting these issues get on production servers? Have you just thrown testing out the window? Is one guy just doing whatever he wants and you all wake up and find new ships flying around the server?

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  • usscapitalusscapital Member Posts: 985 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    so do we get a refund due to the bug ? , cause I would have purchased fleet weapons instead if we don't :mad:
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    These weapons are intended to be MK XI, the same as the other highest-end weapons in the Dilithium store.
    We'll be fixing the error that is giving these incorrect stats sometime soon. Sorry for the inconvenience to those of you who has already purchased these.

    Edit: Removed off-topic information. This will be discussed elsewhere.

    Wow, so glad I didn't bother to waste dilithium on these then. :eek:

    Seriously, at Mk11, these need to be halved in dilithium value :rolleyes:

    lol, you could not make this stuff up, its gold!
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  • darramouss1darramouss1 Member Posts: 1,811 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    archoncryptic wrote: »
    The Dilithium store isn't intended to carry the best equipment in the game. These items were priced as Mark XI items - similar to the other gear already available in the Dilithium store. The incorrect stats were a bug, and I apologize if people bought them based on that bug.

    As a general rule, we try to keep our endgame equipment in endgame systems, such as the Fleet system and the various Reputation systems.

    We'd like to have higher-end Andorian weapons available as well, and we're currently discussing the best way to make those available to players.

    I'm calling you out on this.

    Spiral Wave disruptors are powerful beyond belief. Where are they bought from? Yes, that's right, the dilithium store. "But you need the Galor to buy them", you say. Yes, you also need the Andorian ship to buy the Andorian weapons.

    How am I responsible for your error? Why should I get my stuff nerfed because one of your people didn't do their job correctly? Your employee should be sanctioned for their error, not the gaming community.

    I look forward to loathing Cryptic for the impending nerfing of my Andorian weapons. Weapons that cost me dilithium. Which I obtained using zen. Which I paid money for. Money I wouldn't have spent if this was made known earlier. Money which I feel Cryptic has obtained using deception.
  • mikenight00mikenight00 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well that's what i get for trying to keep my Andorian ship canon. All that dil I wasted. Normally i'd be angry, but considering all the other past things I've bought that later was nerfed all I really feel is disappointment. My fault for rushing out and getting new shinys. Never again Cryptic never again.
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  • x0y1x0y1 Member Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What a nonsense. If this weapon would not have mk xii stats, I would certainly not bought them just for the blue sfx. So any chance we can get a refund for the in my case 113100 wasted dilithium on the weapons?


    Oh and about the endgame stuff, you know that you can buy MK XII weapons easily in the exchange. :P
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  • mikenight00mikenight00 Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'd also like a dil refund in the amount of 113,100. The stats are what made me make the six figure dil investment. If the weapons are bugged I don't remember seeing a notice written by Cryptic stating as such.
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  • terongrayterongray Member Posts: 272 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Completely two-faced, total bait-and-switch, blatant double-standards; and just low down immoral and dishonest. Twice now you, Cryptic, have advertised something related to these escorts as being better than they really are. I'm just grateful I hadn't started buying these yet; there is no point to sell this at an inferior mark other that intended to force people to buy an upgrade in the near future via another asinine reputation system or other means. This is unethical and a damn disgrace to even consider. While yes you got to make money, TRIBBLE customers over something as trivial as special coloured weapons to match a ship you already got 25-50 dollars for is disgusting.
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