I'd consider getting the tac variant if I had fun things in game to do with it which also rewarded my play time fairly.
Also... where's my Vesta bridge? After all the fuss you made over "OMG VESTA!11!! All the legal hoops we had to jump through to get the ship in game!!1", and the dissertation-length nonsense you wrote to sell it, and no bridge?
Well, to be fair, they've directly said this is a 'glass cannon' ship: built for damage, not a balanced approach.
small things can ruin everything... with comm tac, lt comm tac, ensign tac, lt engi, lt sci, it would be perfect (for me). as it is now, it's just a fun but very risky glass cannon what's definitely not worth 5k zen (for me).
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RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
Most people have characters on both sides. You're not playing some exclusive faction, stop roleplaying as this bitter Klingon lol.
First, people having characters of both factions is not the point, some people (like me for instance) prefer playing KDF, i havnt done a mission fed side in months (in fact its probably well over a year)...i dont think its asking too much to have a bit of balance when it comes to ship releases, the KDf have not had a ship release in the store since the Bortas pack almost a year ago and is so far behind now its beyond a joke.
do note that all they did was take a weapon from the back and place it up front and also this will make even BoP's look tanky with the amount of heals this thing gets its just meant to punch faces in nothing more and i love that
As to your point that they took a rear weapon away to gain the fore slot, there is no way you can compare a fore slot on an escort to a rear slot, this 5th fore slot is a hell of a lot better than the removed rear slot.
This ship has its powerful (OP) lols counteracted by its detrimental lols.
5 Fore weapons? :eek: = lols (OP lols)
16 turn rate on "the glass cannon" = lols (detrimental) how does one be a glass cannon getting it's DHCs on target if you have a bog standard Escort turn rate?
No Ltc Universal like Vesta / Ody = lols (detrimental)
3rd Tactical ensign (detrimental) lols generating no small amount of endless hatred on the forums for ages, attached to the much desired 5 tactical console layout (OP) lols.
Let me guess, those super awesome Andorian phasers are all DMGx4 (sad lols).
Tac version is a glass cannon without any staying power, nothing my Andorian Engineer could really use.
The engineering version... does not sound as horrible.
Sci version... meh who cares.
The flying Turrets... not sure about that... seems awfully MVAM-ish to me, need to see that in action before i can decide if it's gimmicky or actually cool...
3 console set... lets little room for real consoles. i'd like Cryptic to go back to the normal aproach of Ships with ONE C-Store console please... or give us 12 Console Slots!
Andorian Phasers... make it Mk XII Purple or no Dil !
Looking forward to seeing this ship but just as a suggestion - the Vesta class was for the Science, Oddy was for Engineers and this is for Tactical obviously. The Vesta and the Oddy were both more "Starfleet" looking than anything. Would of been nice though if we could have more of a Starfleet type escort 3 pack ship rather than it being a specific race/species ship. Just my opinion as I prefer Starfleet ships over alien ships. Maybe we will see that some day?
This ship has its powerful (OP) lols counteracted by its detrimental lols.
5 Fore weapons? :eek: = lols (OP lols)
16 turn rate on "the glass cannon" = lols (detrimental) how does one be a glass cannon getting it's DHCs on target if you have a bog standard Escort turn rate?
No Ltc Universal like Vesta / Ody = lols (detrimental)
3rd Tactical ensign (detrimental) lols generating no small amount of endless hatred on the forums for ages, attached to the much desired 5 tactical console layout (OP) lols.
Let me guess, those super awesome Andorian phasers are all DMGx4 (sad lols).
I'm inclined to agree with all the above frankly...
These ships are going to be amazing in teams that can keep them alive, but if that tac version gets caught alone for even a second ... boom. Not a lot of room on them for staying alive.
Oh, and where is the Vesta bridge? Every three pack has a unique bridge now but the Vesta.
Interesting. If you get the 5 tac-console version you have to figure out what to do with 9 tac boff slots and only 3 non-tac powers. But damn thats a heck of a lot of firepower. Dunno about 'balanced' but it certainly looks entertaining.
Also, am I the only one that sees the 'wing platform pod' things on the Eng version and thinks immediately of Options from the Gradius games? Not that thats a bad thing. *chuckles*
This ship has its powerful (OP) lols counteracted by its detrimental lols.
5 Fore weapons? :eek: = lols (OP lols)
16 turn rate on "the glass cannon" = lols (detrimental) how does one be a glass cannon getting it's DHCs on target if you have a bog standard Escort turn rate?
No Ltc Universal like Vesta / Ody = lols (detrimental)
3rd Tactical ensign (detrimental) lols generating no small amount of endless hatred on the forums for ages, attached to the much desired 5 tactical console layout (OP) lols.
Let me guess, those super awesome Andorian phasers are all DMGx4 (sad lols).
3 console set... lets little room for real consoles. i'd like Cryptic to go back to the normal aproach of Ships with ONE C-Store console please... or give us 12 Console Slots!
Andorian Phasers... make it Mk XII Purple or no Dil !
agree with every word
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RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
do note that all they did was take a weapon from the back and place it up front and also this will make even BoP's look tanky with the amount of heals this thing gets its just meant to punch faces in nothing more and i love that
Yeah, you can replace a crappy Turret with a Beefy DHC...
If I can run FIVE DHCs I can pull 10k DPS with autofire. Now. Im also able to tank, AND I can now deal more DPS then a bugship...
Bugship is officaly outdated.
Andorian Escort is officaly above EVERY SINGLE ESCORT IN STO.
The best way to fix this is to make the 5th slot only useable for the andorian cannon, Or any non DHC. 5 DHCs is just... Too much DPS.
These ships are not unbalanced.
They merely represent a turning point in STO, and an introduction of an entirely new means of setting back the clock on every single purchase you have ever made in STO.
See, JJ's time travel is real.
They will not be the first, nor the last.
Soon you will be asked to spend more money to "upgrade" your existing purchases for a fourth time (ship > retrofit > fleet > fleet +1), and you will still walk away from it gleefully unaware - feeling like they sold you something new, and all I will be thinking is "putz"
If I can run FIVE DHCs I can pull 10k DPS with autofire. Now. Im also able to tank, AND I can now deal more DPS then a bugship...
Bugship is officaly outdated.
Andorian Escort is officaly above EVERY SINGLE ESCORT IN STO.
The best way to fix this is to make the 5th slot only useable for the andorian cannon, Or any non DHC. 5 DHCs is just... Too much DPS.
In terms of damage, yes.
It's pulled back down a peg by the fact that it's easier to pop than a BOP though Just stay out of it's forward arc, like every other escort, and you're good to go
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I don't do STF's anymore, also I wouldn't do one in a fed ship. Might want to consider a 'team' aspect when doing an Elite, ask a friend to bring his healer and stay close.
The engineer version would allow aux to battery and a emerg to shield with a haz emitter and a TSS. That's pretty survivable. I can live with one less tac console because an additional fwd weapon more than makes up for that.
No need for starbases anymore "T6" Ship is here, it just outclassed The Fleet Defiant Works out much cheaper than developing useless dil sink monster xD
My only Andorian toon is an Engi and is also the toon I created about 2 years ago making her the longest toon to not reach 50 I have. She was waiting for an Andorian ship and now she will have it and become a VA but as a side effect i will start playing slapfight instead of STO! Cant justify buying three escorts though as I already have a steamrunner, and a Defiant.
My KDF toons though could do with some love as all they have to play with is a B'rel and a PehQu (sp?). KDF really desperately need ships in store.
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Also... where's my Vesta bridge? After all the fuss you made over "OMG VESTA!11!! All the legal hoops we had to jump through to get the ship in game!!1", and the dissertation-length nonsense you wrote to sell it, and no bridge?
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
small things can ruin everything... with comm tac, lt comm tac, ensign tac, lt engi, lt sci, it would be perfect (for me). as it is now, it's just a fun but very risky glass cannon what's definitely not worth 5k zen (for me).
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
First, people having characters of both factions is not the point, some people (like me for instance) prefer playing KDF, i havnt done a mission fed side in months (in fact its probably well over a year)...i dont think its asking too much to have a bit of balance when it comes to ship releases, the KDf have not had a ship release in the store since the Bortas pack almost a year ago and is so far behind now its beyond a joke.
As to your point that they took a rear weapon away to gain the fore slot, there is no way you can compare a fore slot on an escort to a rear slot, this 5th fore slot is a hell of a lot better than the removed rear slot.
God, lvl 60 CW. 17k.
And what about a KDF equivalent? (They are still owed a 3-pack after the Vesta by the way).
TRIBBLE it, why complain.
Go buy your new ship feds enjoy being the happy victim of the cryptic vampire lol
I still know I will be hunting these harder than any other ship for awhile lol.. gotta get the frustrations out some how.
This ship has its powerful (OP) lols counteracted by its detrimental lols.
5 Fore weapons? :eek: = lols (OP lols)
16 turn rate on "the glass cannon" = lols (detrimental) how does one be a glass cannon getting it's DHCs on target if you have a bog standard Escort turn rate?
No Ltc Universal like Vesta / Ody = lols (detrimental)
3rd Tactical ensign (detrimental) lols generating no small amount of endless hatred on the forums for ages, attached to the much desired 5 tactical console layout (OP) lols.
Let me guess, those super awesome Andorian phasers are all DMGx4 (sad lols).
i can only agree here
Tac version is a glass cannon without any staying power, nothing my Andorian Engineer could really use.
The engineering version... does not sound as horrible.
Sci version... meh who cares.
The flying Turrets... not sure about that... seems awfully MVAM-ish to me, need to see that in action before i can decide if it's gimmicky or actually cool...
3 console set... lets little room for real consoles. i'd like Cryptic to go back to the normal aproach of Ships with ONE C-Store console please... or give us 12 Console Slots!
Andorian Phasers... make it Mk XII Purple or no Dil !
6 months after never, but 2 months before they make any good re-playable and enjoyable content.
Okay this is an Easter Egg that needs to happen.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
Member of Alliance Central Command/boq botlhra'ghom
Bugship is officaly outdated.
Andorian Escort is officaly above EVERY SINGLE ESCORT IN STO.
The best way to fix this is to make the 5th slot only useable for the andorian cannon, Or any non DHC. 5 DHCs is just... Too much DPS.
I'm inclined to agree with all the above frankly...
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Oh, and where is the Vesta bridge? Every three pack has a unique bridge now but the Vesta.
Also, am I the only one that sees the 'wing platform pod' things on the Eng version and thinks immediately of Options from the Gradius games? Not that thats a bad thing. *chuckles*
Please
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
lol
agree with every word
agree with every word
RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.
These ships are not unbalanced.
They merely represent a turning point in STO, and an introduction of an entirely new means of setting back the clock on every single purchase you have ever made in STO.
See, JJ's time travel is real.
They will not be the first, nor the last.
Soon you will be asked to spend more money to "upgrade" your existing purchases for a fourth time (ship > retrofit > fleet > fleet +1), and you will still walk away from it gleefully unaware - feeling like they sold you something new, and all I will be thinking is "putz"
Pretty much what I though
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
It's pulled back down a peg by the fact that it's easier to pop than a BOP though
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The engineer version would allow aux to battery and a emerg to shield with a haz emitter and a TSS. That's pretty survivable. I can live with one less tac console because an additional fwd weapon more than makes up for that.
Others are amazing. Just not sure if I'll go 5 DHC (unlikely) or 4 DHC and torp.
I like the new hotness.
PS: If you want the tac version to be not junk, give it dedicated Eng Lt. and move the version specific to the ensign slot.
My KDF toons though could do with some love as all they have to play with is a B'rel and a PehQu (sp?). KDF really desperately need ships in store.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles
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RnD and upgrade needs less RNG. Less lottery. Something has to change.