Regardless of wheter it is allowed or not, opening a dialog with him would be far more productive. I see a lot of the people here reaching out, I hope that Stahl will see this as an opportunity to get back in touch with the community again.
People do not respond well to threats, much less the threat of getting fired. There are better ways to go about bringing up such a topic. Besides, if he wanted to open up a real dialog, he would have done more than give us a wall of text that basically says "too bad, so sad."
No, I am not who you think I am. I am someone different. I am instead a banana.
People do not respond well to threats, much less the threat of getting fired. There are better ways to go about bringing up such a topic. Besides, if he wanted to open up a real dialog, he would have done more than give us a wall of text that basically says "too bad, so sad."
Yup. We need to talk or at least be listened to. What if we elected a rep or a council of reps on our side?
Another alternative is to form up as a mob outside Cryptic HQ and/or PWE HQ.
By the way Olivia, the "my video antics" in your sig raises a smirk. Lol
this is getting the kind of backlash that the dilithium and drop removal of the stfs did back when season 7 started and they never learned from that. i havent read much of this thread but much of the options i did see can work if cryptic is open to try them out and we try them out and cryptic keeps a list of all the options mentioned in this thread
this is getting the kind of backlash that the dilithium and drop removal of the stfs did back when season 7 started and they never learned from that. i havent read much of this thread but much of the options i did see can work if cryptic is open to try them out and we try them out and cryptic keeps a list of all the options mentioned in this thread
There has been a response, but it contained so little in the way of meaningful words that it can be safely discounted for now.
Bran's done effectively all he can in this thread without input from his higher ups. I don't, and nor should anyone else, fault him for not making promises, statements or any kind of "wink wink, nudge nudge" actions that he can't back up.
Or alternatively, "never underestimate the odds of a foolish move".
You are both correct. I forgot one of Einstein's pieces of wisdom:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Bran's done effectively all he can in this thread without input from his higher ups. I don't, and nor should anyone else, fault him for not making promises, statements or any kind of "wink wink, nudge nudge" actions that he can't back up.
Surely with this sort of momentum behind this thread (and the others before it) an urgent response from the higher ups is warranted?
Yes indeed! This is the 9th most commented thread in the news section since 2010 - the 8 archived threads above it deal with the closed beta prior to the launch of STO in February of that year.
This is bigger than the Dilithium nerfs of Season 7 and bigger still than the announcement of STO going F2P.
But as myself and many others have stated - the outrage felt over this is a symptom of a greater issue - the lack of transparency between the Devs and the player-base over far-reaching and arbitrary decisions that are being made by Cryptic without any consideration of the impact on their customers.
This has to change otherwise these threads will only grow more frequent and even more bitter.
Surely with this sort of momentum behind this thread (and the others before it) an urgent response from the higher ups is warranted?
We are the customers after all.
EDIT
200th post yay.
Actually, I disagree. Sure, a quick fix to the IOR situation would calm things down again, for now anyway. However, I hope they are in fact considering the bigger picture here. I would much rather receive a well-considered response to the entire situation, adressing not just the IOR but the general unrest within the community. Otherwise we are just fighting symptons here, and not the disease that is killing this game. I hope the dev's are using this time to addres the issues pointed out in this thread and the previous one. If they don't, we can look forward to a repeat of this situation sooner rather then later.
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
best way is just stop playing STO till they fix it.
I'm not stopping, but went from 12 hours to 1 (fleet daily's) so i get some fleetmarks/dilitium.
And the solution is so easy, fleet-, romulan-, omega-marks change them all to just marks, this way we can get our marks with the mission we want to play.
best way is just stop playing STO till they fix it.
The problem is that I don't want myself and others to stop playing for them to fix mission and bugs in the game.
Its looking to me that they dont want us to play STO anymore and move to there new game that coming out soon. I know I not giving up on STO but Im also not make any purchases until some major bugs are fixed in this game.
just posting here to show my continued support of the need for some serious rethinking of cryptics complete lack of foresight regarding players that actually DON'T want to join somebody elses mega fleet and that are quite happy with not wanting to recruit mass loads of players JUST to access parts of the game that would otherwise be off limits.
THIS is my main 'bone of contention' when me and my fleet mate created our fleet during the closed beta and then again during the early access period....we did NOT expect to be faced with the simply sucky no win situation of having to decide upon opening up Indigo Fleet to random unknown people OR leaving our beloved fleet simply because the devs show their preferences to LARGE mega fleets.
Again I say this....if it were not for STO being F2P both me and my fleet mate without a DOUBT would currently be playing Diablo 3 or dare I say it...EVE yarrrr o/
Fix this issue and Cryptic/PWE would certainly recieve Gold subs and/or zen purchases now and then. As it stands......no more money will be passing from my account into Cryptics/PWE's coffers.
PLEASE drop this Bill Roper style money grubbing mentality........if you WANT my money....don't try to FORCE me to part with it via insane grinds....ENTICE me to part with it.
best way is just stop playing STO till they fix it.
I have done little playing these last few days. Except for the other day playing a few STF I only sign on to do my one VIP dilithium claim. Have like 3 months worth of those no sense in creating a further backlog.
The cynical part of my believes Stahl took an extended weekend as soon as he posted his last 'follow up' post. But the optimistic part feels that they are truly having meetings this weekend to resolve our issues. You can tell that what I listed first as being the most prominent in my mind.
Anyway...Power to the People! Keep up The Good Fight!
I am, sadly, not of the mind that folks are meeting to discuss any part of this over the weekend at all - in fact, Dan and "The Powers That Be" have probably turned off their comps, phones, pagers (does anyone still have pagers? Ha!), and so on and are looking for cheap tix to Mexico - but I'll admit it's a good hope!
Was tempted a couple of times to get in-game meself, but I've such a bitter taste in my mouth the now, that, nope: have logged exactly 0:00 hours of STO as well.
Stay standing strong on this one, chaps!
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge (...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
i love this game, since i found it on steam. i have play like 16hrs per/day. i know that is a lot of time of playing. I just hope they fix it. as i have stop playing this for the last 2 days now. Been on other game.
sorry your not here - the game is jam pack tonight - new Romulus zones were full - at DS9 right now and there are like 40 ships in orbit
Zones where full? 40 ships in orbit? You realize that zones get filled by design right? An actual number of zones would tell us more about players being online. Aside from that, I am confused as to why you keep posting here telling us everything is "A-Okay!!!"....What's your agenda?
Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine?
Zones where full? 40 ships in orbit? You realize that zones get filled by design right? An actual number of zones would tell us more about players being online. Aside from that, I am confused as to why you keep posting here telling us everything is "A-Okay!!!"....What's your agenda?
I bet he also thinks they pop in numerical order too
Cryptic has on more than one occasion altered Zone sizes for a multitude of reasons. and if you think 40 ships around ds9, is "busy' well trust me, its no where near that.
This will probably never be seen by dstahl or anyone else... and if it is, it will likely be disregarded as coming from the "Stupid Customer, Doesn't Know Anything" mentality. (Yes, I know what that is myself, I used to apply the same mental classification to customers too).
Here's an idea.
The problem is that small fleets are struggling - but the only reason why they haven't left their existing fleet to join a "super-fleet" is because they are tied to their RP or language/country fleet.
Someone else said "Why don't we be able to merge fleets". This is a good idea, but the problem is that there will be too many fleets. However, this provides the basis for my proposal.
How about this.
Have the ability for a player to be able to join a maximum of three fleets; however, only one fleet can be set to "primary" fleet.
A person's primary fleet is simply that - the primary. No changes to the fleet system for that person's primary fleet will occur.
Secondary/tertiary fleets will be different. A player CANNOT buy equipment or supplies from secondary or tertiary fleets, but are still able to contribute resources to fleet projects and be able to visit fleet starbases and embassies.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works.
stardestroyer001, Admiral, Explorers Fury PvE/PvP Fleet | Retired PvP Player
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9 My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
This will probably never be seen by dstahl or anyone else... and if it is, it will likely be disregarded as coming from the "Stupid Customer, Doesn't Know Anything" mentality. (Yes, I know what that is myself, I used to apply the same mental classification to customers too).
Here's an idea.
The problem is that small fleets are struggling - but the only reason why they haven't left their existing fleet to join a "super-fleet" is because they are tied to their RP or language/country fleet.
Someone else said "Why don't we be able to merge fleets". This is a good idea, but the problem is that there will be too many fleets. However, this provides the basis for my proposal.
How about this.
Have the ability for a player to be able to join a maximum of three fleets; however, only one fleet can be set to "primary" fleet.
A person's primary fleet is simply that - the primary. No changes to the fleet system for that person's primary fleet will occur.
Secondary/tertiary fleets will be different. A player CANNOT buy equipment or supplies from secondary or tertiary fleets, but are still able to contribute resources to fleet projects and be able to visit fleet starbases and embassies.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works.
Take no offense but I think you are missing the whole thread line here.
so basicaly what you are suggesting is to multiply the amount of items grinding by a X factor, depending on how many X fleets you join and contribute to? xD
How to say ... Thanks but no thanks
It totally goes against the whole thread wich is :
Too much grind; not enough FUN
Beeing able to join more fleets will result in even more grind and won't solve anything
Comments
People do not respond well to threats, much less the threat of getting fired. There are better ways to go about bringing up such a topic. Besides, if he wanted to open up a real dialog, he would have done more than give us a wall of text that basically says "too bad, so sad."
Yup. We need to talk or at least be listened to. What if we elected a rep or a council of reps on our side?
Another alternative is to form up as a mob outside Cryptic HQ and/or PWE HQ.
By the way Olivia, the "my video antics" in your sig raises a smirk. Lol
Edited to fix some "spellong" errors.
The deafening silence from dStahl means there is very little point in rehashing whats already been said.
A lot of us are giving the benefit of the doubt to Cryptic over the long US holiday weekend.
However, by tuesday, expect the rate to pick up again.
Another day of silence on the matter from the devs on tuesday will not be acceptable.
Oh, this is rather bigger my friend.
i work at a public school you would be surprised just how inept people can be lol
There has been a response, but it contained so little in the way of meaningful words that it can be safely discounted for now.
I was a soldier once and yes, I believe that people really can be that inept.
To paraphrase one of my favorite one episode wonder villains: "Always bet on stupidity".
Or alternatively, "never underestimate the odds of a foolish move".
Bran's done effectively all he can in this thread without input from his higher ups. I don't, and nor should anyone else, fault him for not making promises, statements or any kind of "wink wink, nudge nudge" actions that he can't back up.
I am a soldier, and I know exactly what you are talking about.
You are both correct. I forgot one of Einstein's pieces of wisdom:
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Surely with this sort of momentum behind this thread (and the others before it) an urgent response from the higher ups is warranted?
We are the customers after all.
EDIT
200th post yay.
Yes indeed! This is the 9th most commented thread in the news section since 2010 - the 8 archived threads above it deal with the closed beta prior to the launch of STO in February of that year.
This is bigger than the Dilithium nerfs of Season 7 and bigger still than the announcement of STO going F2P.
But as myself and many others have stated - the outrage felt over this is a symptom of a greater issue - the lack of transparency between the Devs and the player-base over far-reaching and arbitrary decisions that are being made by Cryptic without any consideration of the impact on their customers.
This has to change otherwise these threads will only grow more frequent and even more bitter.
Actually, I disagree. Sure, a quick fix to the IOR situation would calm things down again, for now anyway. However, I hope they are in fact considering the bigger picture here. I would much rather receive a well-considered response to the entire situation, adressing not just the IOR but the general unrest within the community. Otherwise we are just fighting symptons here, and not the disease that is killing this game. I hope the dev's are using this time to addres the issues pointed out in this thread and the previous one. If they don't, we can look forward to a repeat of this situation sooner rather then later.
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I'm not stopping, but went from 12 hours to 1 (fleet daily's) so i get some fleetmarks/dilitium.
And the solution is so easy, fleet-, romulan-, omega-marks change them all to just marks, this way we can get our marks with the mission we want to play.
Then you might want to stop play STO at all since most of the main issues from playerbase side view wont be fixed.
I am this close here to leave and never come back on game
The problem is that I don't want myself and others to stop playing for them to fix mission and bugs in the game.
Its looking to me that they dont want us to play STO anymore and move to there new game that coming out soon. I know I not giving up on STO but Im also not make any purchases until some major bugs are fixed in this game.
just posting here to show my continued support of the need for some serious rethinking of cryptics complete lack of foresight regarding players that actually DON'T want to join somebody elses mega fleet and that are quite happy with not wanting to recruit mass loads of players JUST to access parts of the game that would otherwise be off limits.
THIS is my main 'bone of contention' when me and my fleet mate created our fleet during the closed beta and then again during the early access period....we did NOT expect to be faced with the simply sucky no win situation of having to decide upon opening up Indigo Fleet to random unknown people OR leaving our beloved fleet simply because the devs show their preferences to LARGE mega fleets.
Again I say this....if it were not for STO being F2P both me and my fleet mate without a DOUBT would currently be playing Diablo 3 or dare I say it...EVE yarrrr o/
Fix this issue and Cryptic/PWE would certainly recieve Gold subs and/or zen purchases now and then. As it stands......no more money will be passing from my account into Cryptics/PWE's coffers.
PLEASE drop this Bill Roper style money grubbing mentality........if you WANT my money....don't try to FORCE me to part with it via insane grinds....ENTICE me to part with it.
I have done little playing these last few days. Except for the other day playing a few STF I only sign on to do my one VIP dilithium claim. Have like 3 months worth of those no sense in creating a further backlog.
The cynical part of my believes Stahl took an extended weekend as soon as he posted his last 'follow up' post. But the optimistic part feels that they are truly having meetings this weekend to resolve our issues. You can tell that what I listed first as being the most prominent in my mind.
Anyway...Power to the People! Keep up The Good Fight!
This weekend I played 0:00 STO
#2311#2700#2316#2500
I am, sadly, not of the mind that folks are meeting to discuss any part of this over the weekend at all - in fact, Dan and "The Powers That Be" have probably turned off their comps, phones, pagers (does anyone still have pagers? Ha!), and so on and are looking for cheap tix to Mexico - but I'll admit it's a good hope!
Was tempted a couple of times to get in-game meself, but I've such a bitter taste in my mouth the now, that, nope: have logged exactly 0:00 hours of STO as well.
Stay standing strong on this one, chaps!
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
sorry your not here - the game is jam pack tonight - new Romulus zones were full - at DS9 right now and there are like 40 ships in orbit
Zones where full? 40 ships in orbit? You realize that zones get filled by design right? An actual number of zones would tell us more about players being online. Aside from that, I am confused as to why you keep posting here telling us everything is "A-Okay!!!"....What's your agenda?
Apparently some forum posters have diplomatic immunity nowadays, where can I get mine? [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
I bet he also thinks they pop in numerical order too
Cryptic has on more than one occasion altered Zone sizes for a multitude of reasons. and if you think 40 ships around ds9, is "busy' well trust me, its no where near that.
Here's an idea.
The problem is that small fleets are struggling - but the only reason why they haven't left their existing fleet to join a "super-fleet" is because they are tied to their RP or language/country fleet.
Someone else said "Why don't we be able to merge fleets". This is a good idea, but the problem is that there will be too many fleets. However, this provides the basis for my proposal.
How about this.
Have the ability for a player to be able to join a maximum of three fleets; however, only one fleet can be set to "primary" fleet.
A person's primary fleet is simply that - the primary. No changes to the fleet system for that person's primary fleet will occur.
Secondary/tertiary fleets will be different. A player CANNOT buy equipment or supplies from secondary or tertiary fleets, but are still able to contribute resources to fleet projects and be able to visit fleet starbases and embassies.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works.
Missing the good ol' days of PvP: Legacy of Romulus to Season 9
My List of Useful Links, Recently Updated November 25 2017!
Take no offense but I think you are missing the whole thread line here.
so basicaly what you are suggesting is to multiply the amount of items grinding by a X factor, depending on how many X fleets you join and contribute to? xD
How to say ... Thanks but no thanks
It totally goes against the whole thread wich is :
Too much grind; not enough FUN
Beeing able to join more fleets will result in even more grind and won't solve anything