"We know it is ?many months? because when we looked at the data, it showed that players were running Elite STFs hundreds of times and still not receiving the drops necessary for this gear. We didn?t really need to look up the data because a handful of players were telling us how frustrated they were that these drops were so rare."
"We realize that there will be a few people who may not like the change, but for the vast majority of players this should be a significant improvement."
Mr. Stahl,is this an attempt of trolling people posting on these forums?
And reading the blog,I get the idea that your mind is already made up and nothing,no matter how much people dislike parts of the 'Reputation system',nothing will change when we post our feedback.
The PWE/Cryptic sweatshop...not where the game is made,but where the game is played!
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
Bottom line is STFs are boring, especially after grinding them out for a month, months, years, and now with downgrading/phasing out the gear we already have from the grinds you're now pretty much forcing us to continue/restart the same old boring grinds. When will the experience and wisedom come into consideration that says you need to balance real quality story content with grinds, not just push out more cookie cutter grinds? When will this become Star Trek again, to seek out new worlds and new civilizations, to bold go where no one has gone before?
With all the new systems requiring Dilithium (which was NEVER a currency minus traded on Voyager) there is a huge imbalance that is developing in the game. I can understand the desire to diminish some of the dilithium stockpiles people have built up over the lifetime of the game, but where is the consideration for the rest of us that have no such stockpiles?
Fleet System:
EC costs have skyrocketed without any real viable endgame means to gather it other than "Tour"
Dilithium costs for smaller fleets have become down right insane.
Embassy holding:
Seeing as this is part of the Fleet system I think it is safe to assume it will require higher and higher levels of dilithium and items purchased with EC.
Reputation System:
Requires Omega marks, Borg Processors, Dilithium, EC.
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That's the three main parts of the new systems since season 6 AND the only content added other than more grinds that support these systems. Smaller fleets will fall further behind or grind to a halt with little concern that smaller fleets may be having difficulty recruiting because everyone wants to join the larger fleets or the smaller fleets are smaller because they are a more tight knit group of ALL ACTIVELY playing players and they don't see the purpose behind bloating their numbers of active players.
This new System has so many factors that will greatly affect the others in place that even the larger fleets will start to see the strain. Telling us not to worry about the costs of the reputation system to be honest isn't exactly comforting. No matter which way you try to spin in you're adding another Dilithium cost without adding any way to ease the pressure, by upping the dilithium refinement cap or increasing the amount of dilithium rewarded from other non-stf sources.
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A huge part of Star Trek and something that is severely missing from STO is the diplomatic and exploration aspects. Star Trek's appeal is how dynamic it is. Why not take the time and effort to add new stories that don't just revolve around combat (which could tie into reputation system/fleet system) and completely reworking the exploration parts of the clusters/ect. An example of how to rework exploration would be add in a "fog of war" (as commonly called in other games) to the clusters/etc. and have it were you can discover new planets. Honestly the current system of going into a cluster and driving in circles to see if it's an anomaly or planet doesn't invoke any feeling of exploration, because we know exactly where they are.
All of this could all tie into the new reputation and/or fleet systems and in a more meaningful way than just another grind.
If there are any existing items that are changing, those changes will be available for testing on Tribble, but for the most part, existing gear you've obtained should remain as is. Check Tribble during the next few weeks to see changes for yourself.
- The goal of the conversion is to retain "purchasing power" as close to what it was previously. We looked at the amount of items needed to obtain gear sets and set out to ensure that if you had enough items to get a specific gear piece or gear set, the conversion would be do its best to retain that purchasing power in the new system. Keep in mind that the way you obtain MACO/HONOR/OMEGA sets is going to be different because it will no longer be in a store, and will instead be via projects. So just having a conversion rate would not necessarily help you decide whether to cash out yet or not. The way you obtain dilithium and gear is changing in this system and you'll be able to see most of those changes on Tribble.
- The conversion will be different from everyone which is why we aren't posting a chart. When you get your crate, it will tell your character specifically how much Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium your items were converted to. If you are worried that the exchange may not be to your liking, then you'll have to make the call whether to spend or not. For the most part we are posting this blog to give you enough time to make that call for yourself.
Will the conversion process be posted to Tribble before S7 launches? I've copied a character several times, and put different amounts of EDC/Salvage on each to figure out what the conversion rate would be for me; which would inform me of how exactly I wanted to convert items to dilithium before S7, if any at all.
- The conversion will be different from everyone which is why we aren't posting a chart. When you get your crate, it will tell your character specifically how much Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium your items were converted to. If you are worried that the exchange may not be to your liking, then you'll have to make the call whether to spend or not. For the most part we are posting this blog to give you enough time to make that call for yourself.
So, this tells me one of two things:
1: One person might get 10 Omega Marks per EDC, while someone else will only get 5, for a completely arbitrary reason.
2: You're not willing to give us the possible per-item numbers, just like the advent of the Di conversion that everyone hated.
Mr. Stahl, this is one of Cryptic's worst habits: You tell us what we like to hear, and do half of it. Then you do something awful that we hear almost nothing about until doomsday. Please, sir, all we really want is a list. Item x will be converted into y number of z. Or, at least give us a formula to calculate it ourselves. Don't do another Dilithium on us.
I will admit, I am happy that the randomness is gone and hopefully never return.
But what I am NOT happy with, is that this blog states this is to help those who been working months to get these sets, and yet you're forcing them to push the reset button and having to wait months more, to unlock the same sets they been working months to get. That to me, makes like this "fix" is just as punishing for those who worked hard for months in hopes for a random drop.
So those who may have 1 or 2 tech pieces and still need that last one, have to grind STFs for a couple of more months, to unlock Tier 5, just to get access to these sets, and even charging them 36,000 Dilithium per set Piece. More or less this Omega Box.
No offense, but this solution is just as bad as the problem.
Any existing Accolades, gear rewards and costume unlocks you have already earned by running STF content are yours to keep, even if you choose to not participate in the Reputation System.
Does this mean the STF accolades are being removed?
Also, with the STF stores on DS9 going away, The MACO, Honor Guard, and Omega Sets will now be obtained directly through reputation projects which you select. This allows you to control which items you want next instead of waiting for a random drop and the stores can be accessed from anywhere.
Honestly, there should be a store. Because this gave a primary importance to DS9, just like how Omega Fleet becamse barren when it was moved to DS9. Hubs do need a reason to go there.
Also, I have to ask. If all STFs will be having the same reward, what's to keep people just from doing ISE or KAGE due to them being the easiest and fastest STFs? Accolades (if they are still around) and the cooldown?
I don't think we'll get the math ratio of old borg tech to new rewards. I have a feeling its a sliding scale like the Delithium conversion was. If you're one of those players with 100+ EDCs you might want to cash them in now. History has shown us folks with too much of the old stuff usually get the short end of the conversion stick.
- Due to the fact that some players have enough items being converted to max out the new system, we chose to withhold the conversion crate until the character hits tier 5 in Omega for a few reasons.
- The time involved to rank up the Omega Fleet Rep will require a few months of projects, but the resources required should be easily obtainable within limits of standard game play.
- Once again, we do not want some players "Skipping" the new Reputation system by getting a free pass because of the STF's they've run.
I don't understand. You don't want players skipping the reputation system, I understand that. But by your own admission, it will take months of time to rank up Omega Rep all the way. So why not give us the crate? It won't fast track us to T5, because we'll still be subject to long project completion times, but we won't have to repeat the TEDIOUS GRIND THAT WE ALREADY DID.
Seriously, it boils down to you wanting us to grind the same 3 STFs ad nauseum. I've done that, I did my time, why are you punishing me with it again?
- All existing gear unlocks you've obtained will remain in tact on your character
- If there are any existing items that are changing, those changes will be available for testing on Tribble, but for the most part, existing gear you've obtained should remain as is. Check Tribble during the next few weeks to see changes for yourself.
- The goal of the conversion is to retain "purchasing power" as close to what it was previously. We looked at the amount of items needed to obtain gear sets and set out to ensure that if you had enough items to get a specific gear piece or gear set, the conversion would be do its best to retain that purchasing power in the new system. Keep in mind that the way you obtain MACO/HONOR/OMEGA sets is going to be different because it will no longer be in a store, and will instead be via projects. So just having a conversion rate would not necessarily help you decide whether to cash out yet or not. The way you obtain dilithium and gear is changing in this system and you'll be able to see most of those changes on Tribble.
- The conversion will be different for everyone which is why we aren't posting a chart. When you get your crate, it will tell your character specifically how much Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium your items were converted to. If you are worried that the exchange may not be to your liking, then you'll have to make the call whether to spend or not. For the most part we are posting this blog to give you enough time to make that call for yourself.
- Due to the fact that some players have enough items being converted to max out the new system, we chose to withhold the conversion crate until the character hits tier 5 in Omega for a few reasons. We wanted player to have the choice at each tier how to spend their resources. We wanted players to be able to make choices about which captain power they want at each tier. We wanted to retain player's purchasing power by holding back the converted items until they can be spent on the Gear Sets. This prevents players from spending the resources they'd saved up for Omega Gear Sets on something else without realizing it.
- The time involved to rank up the Omega Fleet Rep will require a few months of projects, but the resources required should be easily obtainable within limits of standard game play. It also allows us to introduce the Reputation system without an entire subset of the game population skipping it via auto-completion - which isn't fun or in the nature of the design. This is about rebooting how the STFs should have worked in the first place, while giving players the purchasing power to be in similar footing when they finish it.
- There is a subset of players who will have one or two pieces that now have two choices. A) they have until early November to try to get the remaining pieces. wait until after Season 7 releases, and then level up the Omega Fleet and have a much clearer and easier path to getting the gear they are missing. Once again, we do not want some players "Skipping" the new Reputation system by getting a free pass because of the STF's they've run. Players will get a conversion crate, but we want all players to make choices at each tier about which powers they select.
- yes you will be able to earn Omega marks from other non-stf Borg missions such as the ones on Defera, Red Alerts, and perhaps even some of the Borg episodes and DOFF missions, so STFs will not be the only way to increase Omega rep.
None of this answers those of us who have 1000's of stfs worth of time put into it in this new system are starting out the same as everyone else who did not put much of any time than the rest of us. Also forcing us to be put on the same level as those said players.
its sort of insulting my intelligence to think I would choose something I wouldn't want. Even furthermore when it was something that was broken on your end your GM's were unwilling to rectify it.
I'll be cashing out all my stuff for dilithium unless some hard numbers come along, I'm not letting them TRIBBLE me out of what I earned because the average player spends everything they get and I do not, its simply not fair.
I don't stf a lot but I still have 60 proto salvage, 75 rare salvage, dozens of techs, 450 EDCs
Ok, cool. Phew I nearly had Major Impulse Control Problem for a minute then ......
Can we have a complete list of ALL the missions that reward there corresponding Marks?
I was led to believe that the Romulan Featured Series and Borg story missions such as "Assimilation" and "Asset Recovery" would be rewarding Romulan and Omega Marks....
Oh Mr Sthal, you NINJA edited your post to include a spin answer to my question!
Now I'm even more doubtful and afraid of those changes than ever before.
This was your chance to show some numbers, to appease the players... And? "Your STF related loot will be boxed. Far in the future, after you put your fair share of new grinding in the reputation system, we may give you an undisclosed amount of omega marks, neural processors and dilithium back." That's what you say when I translate it.
And what is this matter of new anti-Borg weaponry?
Are all of the current used weapons going to be changed on player ships? Or is it just the Mk XII anti-Borg weapons available in the new Dil-store that will have new stats?
Honestly, if your going to nerf all the weapons I currently use across 6 toons... :mad: I hope for your sake that's not the case.
Overall, you've only added chaos and new questions to our minds. Very useful indeed.
My apologies for the tone, but you really should finally give us some useful data.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
I'll be cashing out all my stuff for dilithium unless some hard numbers come along, I'm not letting them TRIBBLE me out of what I earned because the average player spends everything they get and I do not, its simply not fair.
I don't stf a lot but I still have 60 proto salvage, 75 rare salvage, dozens of techs, 450 EDCs
I would spend it... Its gonna end up like that emblem to dilithium conversion where everyone got hosed. Plus I'm a firm believer this conversion is TRIBBLE because those of us who grinded up these stfs are going to be put on par with people who haven't even bothered to even do them. Forcing us to regrind this... add 2 new items in and do a forced relocation of your status in the game is what it is.
Forgive me if this has already been clarified, but I am not clear. Will users who have been playing the STFs ever since the EDC system was introduced get a bonus on switchover? Or will they just get their existing stuff transferred? Seems a bit of bummer if you've run hundreds of STfs already but still have to run another load to get the new gear.
I have my MkXII ground gear and only needed the CSE drop for my space set. I don't really want to have to start back at the beginning to get the last piece.
Bottom line is STFs are boring, especially after grinding them out for a month, months, years, and now with downgrading/phasing out the gear we already have from the grinds you're now pretty much forcing us to continue/restart the same old boring grinds. When will the experience and wisedom come into consideration that says you need to balance real quality story content with grinds, not just push out more cookie cutter grinds? When will this become Star Trek again, to seek out new worlds and new civilizations, to bold go where no one has gone before?
With all the new systems requiring Dilithium (which was NEVER a currency minus traded on Voyager) there is a huge imbalance that is developing in the game. I can understand the desire to diminish some of the dilithium stockpiles people have built up over the lifetime of the game, but where is the consideration for the rest of us that have no such stockpiles?
Fleet System:
EC costs have skyrocketed without any real viable endgame means to gather it other than "Tour"
Dilithium costs for smaller fleets have become down right insane.
Embassy holding:
Seeing as this is part of the Fleet system I think it is safe to assume it will require higher and higher levels of dilithium and items purchased with EC.
Reputation System:
Requires Omega marks, Borg Processors, Dilithium, EC.
_______________
That's the three main parts of the new systems since season 6 AND the only content added other than more grinds that support these systems. Smaller fleets will fall further behind or grind to a halt with little concern that smaller fleets may be having difficulty recruiting because everyone wants to join the larger fleets or the smaller fleets are smaller because they are a more tight knit group of ALL ACTIVELY playing players and they don't see the purpose behind bloating their numbers of active players.
This new System has so many factors that will greatly affect the others in place that even the larger fleets will start to see the strain. Telling us not to worry about the costs of the reputation system to be honest isn't exactly comforting. No matter which way you try to spin in you're adding another Dilithium cost without adding any way to ease the pressure, by upping the dilithium refinement cap or increasing the amount of dilithium rewarded from other non-stf sources.
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A huge part of Star Trek and something that is severely missing from STO is the diplomatic and exploration aspects. Star Trek's appeal is how dynamic it is. Why not take the time and effort to add new stories that don't just revolve around combat (which could tie into reputation system/fleet system) and completely reworking the exploration parts of the clusters/ect. An example of how to rework exploration would be add in a "fog of war" (as commonly called in other games) to the clusters/etc. and have it were you can discover new planets. Honestly the current system of going into a cluster and driving in circles to see if it's an anomaly or planet doesn't invoke any feeling of exploration, because we know exactly where they are.
All of this could all tie into the new reputation and/or fleet systems and in a more meaningful way than just another grind.
I would spend it... Its gonna end up like that emblem to dilithium conversion where everyone got hosed. Plus I'm a firm believer this conversion is TRIBBLE because those of us who grinded up these stfs are going to be put on par with people who haven't even bothered to even do them. Forcing us to regrind this... add 2 new items in and do a forced relocation of your status in the game is what it is.
Unless they reward those that got hosed by not spending preemptively, with an STF-flavoured version of a nigh-unattainable thing of awesomeness like the Veteran Bridge Officer. The precedent has been set
Any items converted this way will go into a storage device which cannot be retrieved until the character reaches Tier 5 in the Task Force Omega Reputation System.
The storage device, called an Omega Conversion Crate, will denote how much of each item is stored for later retrieval and will remain locked until you achieve Tier 5 in the Omega Reputation System. Once unlocked, your character will be able to retrieve the Omega Marks and Borg Commodities that were converted along with a bonus amount of Dilithium Ore.
So we better exchange all our loot into dilithium before this "Season 7: New Grinding" arrives, correct?
Not only they will start charging you for things now are free, they will take my hard earned loot which I was saving....
I have a simple question that I assume many others would share:
I have been grinding Cure Elite ground for months to get the last proto weapon tech drop needed to complete my MK XII KHG ground set.
If I progress through the new omega reputation system and obtain the MK XII weapon - will it unlock the visuals of the current KHG set? (with the visual upgrades for completing the current optional's as I have those done)
Or will it unlock completely new ground set visuals?
So let me get this straight.
If we choose to not grind out this new system right away, our rewards are basically stolen from us until we do the grind.
Someone called it "taken hostage", which is more accurate...
I dont mind the time waiting for my omega projects, but cryptic, give me at least the omega marks i already own (in form of EDCs ... ) ... or at least a good part of it.
Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
- Lower dilithium costs for gear sets (maybe not eliminate since we're switching from a chance-based methodology to a guaranteed system, but 60k for 3 Borg MK10 pieces is a bit ridiculous)
- Add dilithium drops to Fleet Actions (since Fleet gear costs dilithium too), as this will encourage people to run these and not limit dilithium drops solely to STFs/dailies/doffing
- Raise the dilithium cap
These are some of the suggestions my fleet has come up with regarding the new system. If you're going to make dilithium be the be-all-end-all currency to accompany a mark-based system, there need to be more ways to get it, and an increased limit of how much we can use. Otherwise this is really just a content-rehash-for-more-money scheme.
- All existing gear unlocks you've obtained will remain in tact on your character
- If there are any existing items that are changing, those changes will be available for testing on Tribble, but for the most part, existing gear you've obtained should remain as is. Check Tribble during the next few weeks to see changes for yourself.
I get wanting more people on tribble...but yeah. I'm already wasting five gigs. And messages like this make me want to uninstall not test. What is the point of testing if you're not going to listen to the subscribers and zen paying players?
- The goal of the conversion is to retain "purchasing power" as close to what it was previously. We looked at the amount of items needed to obtain gear sets and set out to ensure that if you had enough items to get a specific gear piece or gear set, the conversion would be do its best to retain that purchasing power in the new system. Keep in mind that the way you obtain MACO/HONOR/OMEGA sets is going to be different because it will no longer be in a store, and will instead be via projects. So just having a conversion rate would not necessarily help you decide whether to cash out yet or not. The way you obtain dilithium and gear is changing in this system and you'll be able to see most of those changes on Tribble.
A good idea in theory, a bad idea in practice. Not having a conversion rate forces a player to gamble. Most players wont gamble. I'm sitting on only 70 or so EDC's 4 prototypes 12 rares and 1 Rare shield. Mainly because i've used so many. I just got hosed beyond belief.
- The conversion will be different for everyone which is why we aren't posting a chart. When you get your crate, it will tell your character specifically how much Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium your items were converted to. If you are worried that the exchange may not be to your liking, then you'll have to make the call whether to spend or not. For the most part we are posting this blog to give you enough time to make that call for yourself.
Right. So Gamble or take the sure thing we're not going to give you **** after we said we'd tell you.
- Due to the fact that some players have enough items being converted to max out the new system, we chose to withhold the conversion crate until the character hits tier 5 in Omega for a few reasons. We wanted player to have the choice at each tier how to spend their resources. We wanted players to be able to make choices about which captain power they want at each tier. We wanted to retain player's purchasing power by holding back the converted items until they can be spent on the Gear Sets. This prevents players from spending the resources they'd saved up for Omega Gear Sets on something else without realizing it.
Good in theory bad in practice. You force everyone to grind yet AGAIN. Set bonuses aint worth this. The captain powers will have to be borderline game breaking to be worth this.
- The time involved to rank up the Omega Fleet Rep will require a few months of projects, but the resources required should be easily obtainable within limits of standard game play. It also allows us to introduce the Reputation system without an entire subset of the game population skipping it via auto-completion - which isn't fun or in the nature of the design. This is about rebooting how the STFs should have worked in the first place, while giving players the purchasing power to be in similar footing when they finish it.
What's a few? Three? Five? SIX? This is straight up manditory grinding that will ignore the chosen few who got their lucky drops and the thousands if not tens of thousands like myself who've run over 100+ STF's and have gotten DOG ****!
- There is a subset of players who will have one or two pieces that now have two choices. A) they have until early November to try to get the remaining pieces. wait until after Season 7 releases, and then level up the Omega Fleet and have a much clearer and easier path to getting the gear they are missing. Once again, we do not want some players "Skipping" the new Reputation system by getting a free pass because of the STF's they've run. Players will get a conversion crate, but we want all players to make choices at each tier about which powers they select.
You left out a choice. Uninstallation. This system as you call it is nothing more than a barbed wire baseball bat up some place it should never go. I'm approaching the silver star medal i know more than a few who've done that too. 150+ STF's completed not attempted COMPLETED. Your words are cute but the point is simple. The time a player has already invested means very little to you or to PWE. This is a straight up slap in the face. I'm pretty damned sure what my choice is going to be if changes arent made. And the fact you're willing to couch it in these terms shows how little the devs or PWE respect this playerbase and by extension the FANBASE of this series. I barely tolerated the temporal lockbox debacle from a storyline standpoint because you could actually make it work based on how it was written. I love the space dogfighting but that isnt enough to keep me in this game nowhere close. Not when things like this occur. This conversion rate everyone was saving their stuff for was in prediction of not having to GRIND for even MORE. You have Big things being added that WILL take away from a players time and force a player to make HUGE decisions, decisions that will lead to massive chaos within fleets. Forcing a player to choose between fleet advancement and their own advancement is WRONG For the time and effort they want to put into this Piece of **** this game is becoming.
- yes you will be able to earn Omega marks from other non-stf Borg missions such as the ones on Defera, Red Alerts, and perhaps even some of the Borg episodes and DOFF missions, so STFs will not be the only way to increase Omega rep.
Interesting decision, doesnt change the above. Not even close.
I have spent a long time grinding these horrible STF''s to get my collection.
I was proud last week when i got the last piece, now you are saying you are taking it all away till i regrind them upto T5 again, like WTF Cryptic, i have never heard of somthing so stupid in my life with MMO's.
I can not stomach anymore of them, and to think i brought a Lifer Sub last month.
This is great for those still or starting to do them BUT do not take them away make us redo them then hand them back, sort yourselfs out you..... argh so angry right now, i feel a youtube vid has got to be made now.
I don't see the harm of giving us our converted Omega Marks right away.
Yes sure some would have enough marks to max the system, however they would still have to provide all the other inputs for the new system and the time requirements. This would still take the months or whatever time that has been projected, but people would have their stuff at the get go.
I for one would rather be able to spend my converted Omega Marks to progress the system on my main who has all this stuff, and then grind it out on one of my alts who still needs it.
- We are not taking existing gear sets away from you. Everything that you've unlocked via accolades or purchased via the stores will remain on your character. The only thing being converted are the 42 currencies used in the STFs which are being aggregated into 2 easy to understand currencies: Omega Marks which are earned from Borg related content, and Borg Nueral Processors which are commodies gained from running Elite STFs.
- Once we have the final conversion numbers established, we will be updating TRIBBLE with the conversion script so that any character can log in individually and see the amount of Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium they will be receiving. This way you'll see exactly what each character will get and you can decide to cash out for Dilithium or not before Season 7.
- It is important to note that under the existing STF system, you have a very random chance of getting the gear you want and have no idea how long it will take you to get a specific piece of gear due to the random chance of the loot drop. We know for a fact that some players have been trying for a year and still don't have the drop to complete their set. If we did nothing, it may take another year of playing STFs to get the set. In the new system you will know exactly how long it will take to get the gear and instead of leaving it to chance (which could be a really long time), you will now have a finish line in site. It may take a few months, but that is a definite versus the randomness of maybe in a year. By saving your conversion crate until you can actually spend it on gear, it assures that you don't spend it and leave yourself short to get the item you've been trying to get for so long.
- We are listening to feedback and will make appropriate changes to the system before Season 7 goes live as we feel are appropriate.
- We are not taking existing gear sets away from you. Everything that you've unlocked via accolades or purchased via the stores will remain on your character. The only thing being converted are the 42 currencies used in the STFs which are being aggregated into 2 easy to understand currencies: Omega Marks which are earned from Borg related content, and Borg Nueral Processors which are commodies gained from running Elite STFs.
- Once we have the final conversion numbers established, we will be updating TRIBBLE with the conversion script so that any character can log in individually and see the amount of Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium they will be receiving. This way you'll see exactly what each character will get and you can decide to cash out for Dilithium or not before Season 7.
- It is important to note that under the existing STF system, you have a very random chance of getting the gear you want and have no idea how long it will take you to get a specific piece of gear due to the random chance of the loot drop. We know for a fact that some players have been trying for a year and still don't have the drop to complete their set. If we did nothing, it may take another year of playing STFs to get the set. In the new system you will know exactly how long it will take to get the gear and instead of leaving it to chance (which could be a really long time), you will now have a finish line in site. It may take a few months, but that is a definite versus the randomness of maybe in a year. By saving your conversion crate until you can actually spend it on gear, it assures that you don't spend it and leave yourself short to get the item you've been trying to get for so long.
- We are listening to feedback and will make appropriate changes to the system before Season 7 goes live as we feel are appropriate.
Any comments on either dilithium drops for Fleet Actions, and/or a dilithium cap increase?
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"We realize that there will be a few people who may not like the change, but for the vast majority of players this should be a significant improvement."
Mr. Stahl,is this an attempt of trolling people posting on these forums?
And reading the blog,I get the idea that your mind is already made up and nothing,no matter how much people dislike parts of the 'Reputation system',nothing will change when we post our feedback.
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
With all the new systems requiring Dilithium (which was NEVER a currency minus traded on Voyager) there is a huge imbalance that is developing in the game. I can understand the desire to diminish some of the dilithium stockpiles people have built up over the lifetime of the game, but where is the consideration for the rest of us that have no such stockpiles?
Fleet System:
EC costs have skyrocketed without any real viable endgame means to gather it other than "Tour"
Dilithium costs for smaller fleets have become down right insane.
Embassy holding:
Seeing as this is part of the Fleet system I think it is safe to assume it will require higher and higher levels of dilithium and items purchased with EC.
Reputation System:
Requires Omega marks, Borg Processors, Dilithium, EC.
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That's the three main parts of the new systems since season 6 AND the only content added other than more grinds that support these systems. Smaller fleets will fall further behind or grind to a halt with little concern that smaller fleets may be having difficulty recruiting because everyone wants to join the larger fleets or the smaller fleets are smaller because they are a more tight knit group of ALL ACTIVELY playing players and they don't see the purpose behind bloating their numbers of active players.
This new System has so many factors that will greatly affect the others in place that even the larger fleets will start to see the strain. Telling us not to worry about the costs of the reputation system to be honest isn't exactly comforting. No matter which way you try to spin in you're adding another Dilithium cost without adding any way to ease the pressure, by upping the dilithium refinement cap or increasing the amount of dilithium rewarded from other non-stf sources.
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A huge part of Star Trek and something that is severely missing from STO is the diplomatic and exploration aspects. Star Trek's appeal is how dynamic it is. Why not take the time and effort to add new stories that don't just revolve around combat (which could tie into reputation system/fleet system) and completely reworking the exploration parts of the clusters/ect. An example of how to rework exploration would be add in a "fog of war" (as commonly called in other games) to the clusters/etc. and have it were you can discover new planets. Honestly the current system of going into a cluster and driving in circles to see if it's an anomaly or planet doesn't invoke any feeling of exploration, because we know exactly where they are.
All of this could all tie into the new reputation and/or fleet systems and in a more meaningful way than just another grind.
Much appreciated.
So, this tells me one of two things:
1: One person might get 10 Omega Marks per EDC, while someone else will only get 5, for a completely arbitrary reason.
2: You're not willing to give us the possible per-item numbers, just like the advent of the Di conversion that everyone hated.
Mr. Stahl, this is one of Cryptic's worst habits: You tell us what we like to hear, and do half of it. Then you do something awful that we hear almost nothing about until doomsday. Please, sir, all we really want is a list. Item x will be converted into y number of z. Or, at least give us a formula to calculate it ourselves. Don't do another Dilithium on us.
But what I am NOT happy with, is that this blog states this is to help those who been working months to get these sets, and yet you're forcing them to push the reset button and having to wait months more, to unlock the same sets they been working months to get. That to me, makes like this "fix" is just as punishing for those who worked hard for months in hopes for a random drop.
So those who may have 1 or 2 tech pieces and still need that last one, have to grind STFs for a couple of more months, to unlock Tier 5, just to get access to these sets, and even charging them 36,000 Dilithium per set Piece. More or less this Omega Box.
No offense, but this solution is just as bad as the problem.
Does this mean the STF accolades are being removed?
Honestly, there should be a store. Because this gave a primary importance to DS9, just like how Omega Fleet becamse barren when it was moved to DS9. Hubs do need a reason to go there.
Also, I have to ask. If all STFs will be having the same reward, what's to keep people just from doing ISE or KAGE due to them being the easiest and fastest STFs? Accolades (if they are still around) and the cooldown?
I don't understand. You don't want players skipping the reputation system, I understand that. But by your own admission, it will take months of time to rank up Omega Rep all the way. So why not give us the crate? It won't fast track us to T5, because we'll still be subject to long project completion times, but we won't have to repeat the TEDIOUS GRIND THAT WE ALREADY DID.
Seriously, it boils down to you wanting us to grind the same 3 STFs ad nauseum. I've done that, I did my time, why are you punishing me with it again?
None of this answers those of us who have 1000's of stfs worth of time put into it in this new system are starting out the same as everyone else who did not put much of any time than the rest of us. Also forcing us to be put on the same level as those said players.
its sort of insulting my intelligence to think I would choose something I wouldn't want. Even furthermore when it was something that was broken on your end your GM's were unwilling to rectify it.
If we choose to not grind out this new system right away, our rewards are basically stolen from us until we do the grind.
I don't stf a lot but I still have 60 proto salvage, 75 rare salvage, dozens of techs, 450 EDCs
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Ok, cool. Phew I nearly had Major Impulse Control Problem for a minute then ......
Can we have a complete list of ALL the missions that reward there corresponding Marks?
I was led to believe that the Romulan Featured Series and Borg story missions such as "Assimilation" and "Asset Recovery" would be rewarding Romulan and Omega Marks....
Oh Mr Sthal, you NINJA edited your post to include a spin answer to my question!
How very dare you....
Now I'm even more doubtful and afraid of those changes than ever before.
This was your chance to show some numbers, to appease the players... And? "Your STF related loot will be boxed. Far in the future, after you put your fair share of new grinding in the reputation system, we may give you an undisclosed amount of omega marks, neural processors and dilithium back." That's what you say when I translate it.
And what is this matter of new anti-Borg weaponry?
Are all of the current used weapons going to be changed on player ships? Or is it just the Mk XII anti-Borg weapons available in the new Dil-store that will have new stats?
Honestly, if your going to nerf all the weapons I currently use across 6 toons... :mad: I hope for your sake that's not the case.
Overall, you've only added chaos and new questions to our minds. Very useful indeed.
My apologies for the tone, but you really should finally give us some useful data.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I would spend it... Its gonna end up like that emblem to dilithium conversion where everyone got hosed. Plus I'm a firm believer this conversion is TRIBBLE because those of us who grinded up these stfs are going to be put on par with people who haven't even bothered to even do them. Forcing us to regrind this... add 2 new items in and do a forced relocation of your status in the game is what it is.
I have my MkXII ground gear and only needed the CSE drop for my space set. I don't really want to have to start back at the beginning to get the last piece.
Unless they reward those that got hosed by not spending preemptively, with an STF-flavoured version of a nigh-unattainable thing of awesomeness like the Veteran Bridge Officer. The precedent has been set
(That said, I'm most likely to spend mine too
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So we better exchange all our loot into dilithium before this "Season 7: New Grinding" arrives, correct?
Not only they will start charging you for things now are free, they will take my hard earned loot which I was saving....
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I have been grinding Cure Elite ground for months to get the last proto weapon tech drop needed to complete my MK XII KHG ground set.
If I progress through the new omega reputation system and obtain the MK XII weapon - will it unlock the visuals of the current KHG set? (with the visual upgrades for completing the current optional's as I have those done)
Or will it unlock completely new ground set visuals?
Someone called it "taken hostage", which is more accurate...
I dont mind the time waiting for my omega projects, but cryptic, give me at least the omega marks i already own (in form of EDCs ... ) ... or at least a good part of it.
- Add dilithium drops to Fleet Actions (since Fleet gear costs dilithium too), as this will encourage people to run these and not limit dilithium drops solely to STFs/dailies/doffing
- Raise the dilithium cap
These are some of the suggestions my fleet has come up with regarding the new system. If you're going to make dilithium be the be-all-end-all currency to accompany a mark-based system, there need to be more ways to get it, and an increased limit of how much we can use. Otherwise this is really just a content-rehash-for-more-money scheme.
I get wanting more people on tribble...but yeah. I'm already wasting five gigs. And messages like this make me want to uninstall not test. What is the point of testing if you're not going to listen to the subscribers and zen paying players?
A good idea in theory, a bad idea in practice. Not having a conversion rate forces a player to gamble. Most players wont gamble. I'm sitting on only 70 or so EDC's 4 prototypes 12 rares and 1 Rare shield. Mainly because i've used so many. I just got hosed beyond belief.
Right. So Gamble or take the sure thing we're not going to give you **** after we said we'd tell you.
Good in theory bad in practice. You force everyone to grind yet AGAIN. Set bonuses aint worth this. The captain powers will have to be borderline game breaking to be worth this.
What's a few? Three? Five? SIX? This is straight up manditory grinding that will ignore the chosen few who got their lucky drops and the thousands if not tens of thousands like myself who've run over 100+ STF's and have gotten DOG ****!
You left out a choice. Uninstallation. This system as you call it is nothing more than a barbed wire baseball bat up some place it should never go. I'm approaching the silver star medal i know more than a few who've done that too. 150+ STF's completed not attempted COMPLETED. Your words are cute but the point is simple. The time a player has already invested means very little to you or to PWE. This is a straight up slap in the face. I'm pretty damned sure what my choice is going to be if changes arent made. And the fact you're willing to couch it in these terms shows how little the devs or PWE respect this playerbase and by extension the FANBASE of this series. I barely tolerated the temporal lockbox debacle from a storyline standpoint because you could actually make it work based on how it was written. I love the space dogfighting but that isnt enough to keep me in this game nowhere close. Not when things like this occur. This conversion rate everyone was saving their stuff for was in prediction of not having to GRIND for even MORE. You have Big things being added that WILL take away from a players time and force a player to make HUGE decisions, decisions that will lead to massive chaos within fleets. Forcing a player to choose between fleet advancement and their own advancement is WRONG For the time and effort they want to put into this Piece of **** this game is becoming.
Interesting decision, doesnt change the above. Not even close.
I was proud last week when i got the last piece, now you are saying you are taking it all away till i regrind them upto T5 again, like WTF Cryptic, i have never heard of somthing so stupid in my life with MMO's.
I can not stomach anymore of them, and to think i brought a Lifer Sub last month.
This is great for those still or starting to do them BUT do not take them away make us redo them then hand them back, sort yourselfs out you..... argh so angry right now, i feel a youtube vid has got to be made now.
Yes sure some would have enough marks to max the system, however they would still have to provide all the other inputs for the new system and the time requirements. This would still take the months or whatever time that has been projected, but people would have their stuff at the get go.
I for one would rather be able to spend my converted Omega Marks to progress the system on my main who has all this stuff, and then grind it out on one of my alts who still needs it.
- We are not taking existing gear sets away from you. Everything that you've unlocked via accolades or purchased via the stores will remain on your character. The only thing being converted are the 42 currencies used in the STFs which are being aggregated into 2 easy to understand currencies: Omega Marks which are earned from Borg related content, and Borg Nueral Processors which are commodies gained from running Elite STFs.
- Once we have the final conversion numbers established, we will be updating TRIBBLE with the conversion script so that any character can log in individually and see the amount of Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium they will be receiving. This way you'll see exactly what each character will get and you can decide to cash out for Dilithium or not before Season 7.
- It is important to note that under the existing STF system, you have a very random chance of getting the gear you want and have no idea how long it will take you to get a specific piece of gear due to the random chance of the loot drop. We know for a fact that some players have been trying for a year and still don't have the drop to complete their set. If we did nothing, it may take another year of playing STFs to get the set. In the new system you will know exactly how long it will take to get the gear and instead of leaving it to chance (which could be a really long time), you will now have a finish line in site. It may take a few months, but that is a definite versus the randomness of maybe in a year. By saving your conversion crate until you can actually spend it on gear, it assures that you don't spend it and leave yourself short to get the item you've been trying to get for so long.
- We are listening to feedback and will make appropriate changes to the system before Season 7 goes live as we feel are appropriate.
Any comments on either dilithium drops for Fleet Actions, and/or a dilithium cap increase?