Last night they deleted a thread I had created that had nothing to do with the Timeship. Only because someone decided they were gonna post a photo of it. Thanks Cryptic.....
Wait, where is this a player ship? I thought it was just 'seen in game' (and in the foundry)
Foundry missions are just fan-fiction. They are not plot affecting.
The speculation is that the 2 time-ships might be the 1,000 day Vet Reward ships.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This was discovered yesterday, so they could have done it in the middle of the night.
Depends on what Dev's are on duty, how quick their legal dept can give them a reply, and whether they need to bring down the game to fix this at all, which is not a given.
Copyright - Rights to a fixed work, generally a movie, photograph, painting, etc. Anything after 1923 (with a few weird exceptions) is covered here.
Trademark - A symbol or word used to do business.
Right of Publicity - Someone's face, signature, mannerisms unique to a person. (This is a state issue.)
Violating these things is not CRIMINAL. It's not against the law. (Unless it's piracy, which is.)
Say I draw a picture or make a 3D model of Patrick Stewart and it winds up in a for sale bundle. That's not CRIMINAL. No one will go to jail for it. It isn't against the law. I didn't steal someone else's picture or pirate it.
HOWEVER, he's entitled to a cut or to shut it down. Particularly if my picture shows him endorsing a product or using drugs or something. It's not against the law. The trouble I could get into is that I could be ordered to stop doing it and pay him money.
If I wrote a book, I might or might not be able to claim parody. Same for a political cartoon as part of a larger work. If my product hinges on the satire and not HIM directly, I might be okay in terms of not breaking the law. But I could still be innocent when it comes to breaking any laws and still owe him money that a court could order me to pay even though I didn't break the law. That's what tort is about, very simply put. With tort, I didn't break the law but a court can tell me I owe somebody something because they owned something that I used.
And even if I don't owe him money, he might get mad at me and tell me I can't use his face in something we'd already agreed to but hadn't signed the paperwork on. Which is his right. No law was broken but harm still resulted.
Think of it like this: you're getting an apartment. The leasing office gives you a key and you start moving in. But you haven't finished the paperwork. The realtor's boss might get upset and tell you to get your stuff out... or get upset and raise the rent. You're not trespassing because you were invited. But you could still end up in trouble.
STOleviathan99, you do know that cryptic can make changes to the game anytime they want, don't you ????
IF there was any legal issue with the wells class ship which could cause legal financial problems with cryptic you can bet the game would have came down for emergency maintenance to remove the ship...
The fact they haven't brought the game down to remove the ship means that there are no pressing legal issues and cryptic are just trying to do their usual "lets keep thing hush hush and don't spoil the surprise" tactics....
In fact their current actions put me more in mind of a spoiled child throwing a tantrum because their "surprise" is ruined than a company trying to protect themselves from legal issues....
Unless it wasn't the Wells class but a panic over something ELSE that slipped in, that people who noticed the Wells class might also notice if they dug.
They can't bring down the game in the middle of a Friday just to patch up a leak. Do you think they would rather boot 1000's of users out of the game or just delete some threads in a forum? What sounds more reasonable to you? THey'll plug the hole durring a regular maintinance window.
Cryptic have shut the game down in peak hours before, I'm quite sure cryptic would rather mildly annoy some players than risk legal and possibly financial action taken against them...
Unless it wasn't the Wells class but a panic over something ELSE that slipped in, that people who noticed the Wells class might also notice if they dug.
The speculation is that the 2 time-ships might be the 1,000 day Vet Reward ships.
OMG. If they added that and 29th century uniforms, I'd consider my lifetime an investment well made.
Been saying since LAUNCH that 29th century uniforms and timeships would be the ultimate lifer perk/vet reward. Because what says, "You've been here forever and will be" like letting you be from 500 years in the future?
If I was aware of something, I wouldn't say what it was out of courtesy. I think some people here have found other things. I'm only posting about the Wells because it seems Cryptic isn't deleting threads about the Wells.
This was discovered yesterday, so they could have done it in the middle of the night.
Patches are pretty much never rolled out that fast. You need approval and testing before you do anything on Holodeck. Its a multi-million dollar MMO, you can't just flip a switch whenever you feel like it.
You'd also have to wake up a bunch of staff to do it in the middle of the night and have to deal with unscheduled OT.
You'll see a hot fix for it soon enough. They could also already have a fix for it but are waiting for a fix for something else to be finished before rolling out the next patch to holodeck.
Has anyone considered that this "leak" was intentional... to build a buzz.
"Leak" the ship in-game as an NPC in various places...
Stamp out any mention on it & thus fan the forum flames...
Then let the "Roswell Effect" take place...
This creates a buzz & anticipation on the internet & in-game that no advertising could buy. With wild speculation the ships (& others) stay on players minds. When they do finally get revealed it won't even matter if everyone is disappointed, they'll still spend boatloads of cash on it anyway. 2800 was a little bleh, but the playerbase nearly crashed the servers logging in to play, & I see people wearing the 700 zen EV suits despite all the forum rage, so it must work...
I like my Sci guy & I like my Sci ship & that's that.
They wouldn't go to all that trouble on a week when BranFlakes is gone, as the Community Dev team is now stretched between STO, CO, and NWN.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
OMG. If they added that and 29th century uniforms, I'd consider my lifetime an investment well made.
Been saying since LAUNCH that 29th century uniforms and timeships would be the ultimate lifer perk/vet reward. Because what says, "You've been here forever and will be" like letting you be from 500 years in the future?
I don't expect it to be the case - as the ship was slipped into the game in monster form rather then a playable version. But it would be VERY COOL.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If you let a video game company do X they can only do X. If they try to do Y you can sue them. Its possible Cryptic doesn't have permission to have the ship in game just yet. So they don't even have rights to do X yet. So in that case they could get in financial trouble.
Has anyone considered that this "leak" was intentional... to build a buzz.
"Leak" the ship in-game as an NPC in various places...
Stamp out any mention on it & thus fan the forum flames...
Then let the "Roswell Effect" take place...
This creates a buzz & anticipation on the internet & in-game that no advertising could buy. With wild speculation the ships (& others) stay on players minds. When they do finally get revealed it won't even matter if everyone is disappointed, they'll still spend boatloads of cash on it anyway. 2800 was a little bleh, but the playerbase nearly crashed the servers logging in to play, & I see people wearing the 700 zen EV suits despite all the forum rage, so it must work...
Nothing in the history of how Cryptic has ever done things suggests that as a possibility.
Has anyone considered that this "leak" was intentional... to build a buzz.
I sort of doubt that, for reasons that its probably best not to get into too deeply although personally i think it works whether they planned it or not. people are talking about it, getting excited yet at the same time its not common knowledge yet, so unintentionally i think its working in their favour.
Talk and photos spread like wild fire when you are not being transparent, scandal ensues......its time to roll back the curtain, come clean and admit a mistake was made in good faith.....open communication is the only way to handle mistakes, not deleting, or cloaking the topic.
Anyone can make a mistake the real trouble you run into is when you refuse to disclose a mistake and try to cover it up. Ethics is doing the right thing, even if it is not the most popluar course of action.
Thank you.
P.S. The KDF can tell time? I have never seen a Klingon clock have you ? :P
Talk and photos spread like wild fire when you are not being transparent, scandal ensues......its time to roll back the curtain, come clean and admit a mistake was made in good faith.....open communication is the only way to handle mistakes, not deleting, or cloaking the topic.
Lol, same thing happened last May with the whole "Borticus" thing, oh well. :rolleyes:
Talk and photos spread like wild fire when you are not being transparent, scandal ensues......its time to roll back the curtain, come clean and admit a mistake was made in good faith.....open communication is the only way to handle mistakes, not deleting, or cloaking the topic.
Anyone can make a mistake the real trouble you run into is when you refuse to disclose a mistake and try to cover it up. Ethics is doing the right thing, even if it is not the most popluar course of action.
Thank you.
P.S. The KDF can tell time? :P
ROFL....
What "scandal" and what "cover up?"
Ethics is not expecting a complete lack of privacy on the part of all others. You do not have a right to details of any contract you are not a party to.
This got me to thinking -- actually, wouldn't you -want- your timeship to look like something from the timeframe it was going to be visiting? You've got a choice: have the locals going "Hey, what's that, a silhouette that's not in any databanks?!?" or "Nothing of import on sensors. Some asteroids, old Miranda refit . . . " Surely choosing the more ubiquitous style of ship hull would be more conducive to stealthy operations.
Of course, I suppose the most popular solution is likely to throw techobabble at it -- the ship should have an advanced array of holoemitters that can be programmed to mimic a wide variety of ships from different eras. But a simple solution that would have far less 'maintenance' would be to use a hull design that was widely-used for a large span of time. (Thus the earlier Miranda reference.)
Or at least use a design that existed in some prior timeframe and is still 'structurally appropriate' to the fancy drive systems and such the timeship requires. Which could be how/why the thing looks like a 25th-century ship? Just a thought.
So you mean give it a Doctor Who camelion circuit that actually works?
There's nothing wrong with them drawing it. They can make the[SNIP] Superman flying in outer space for internal use if they like as long as they never patch it live.
Unless it wasn't the Wells class but a panic over something ELSE that slipped in, that people who noticed the Wells class might also notice if they dug.
Oh you mean the [Redacted] ;-) j/k
I'd like to encourage people to keep on topic here, I think the thread's spinning off into crazy conspiracy theories about things here with people making lots of assumptions about things nobody's made an actual statement about (please note, as my signature states - my statements are my own, no genuine knowledge) so let's try and get back onto topic.
Except that a number of C-Store ships were added to the NPC/PvE ranks with Season6.
So playable ships ARE allowed as NPC.
I have totally enjoyed destroying the USS Kirk-Exeter class in many missions.
true. but also: nearly all the PC ships, minus a couple. are/were NPC ships as well. only ones i can think of off the top of my head that i have eyt to see in an NPC way are the Atrox and its stealth fighter.
What I was trying to say is that they have NPC ships and Playable ships. They may very well resemble each other. They do not necessarily use the same skins, and in fact we have been told that NPC and Player ships have a different "graphical budget". NPC's definitely have AI that player ships don't have, don't necessarily do the same amount of damage, and might actually be more "poppable".
The fact that one appears in game in an NPC context does not rule out the possibility that they made a playable version as well... nor does it automatically imply that they did. It might be an NPC ship only.
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So you mean give it a Doctor Who camelion circuit that actually works?
No reason why they wouldn't be able to do that in the 29th century. Heck, the Romulans had that kind of technology in the 22nd century before they developed cloaking, remember the Enterprise episode where their ship could look like any other ship? Surely a ship 500 years in the future has the capability to make itself look like any other ship, it's a smart idea if you are going to go time traveling with it.
Every Gold Subscriber should have the ability to pilot the Wells Class back in time to the Pre-FTP Era, craft without the dilithium tax, buy a couple ships for Energy Credits, then come back to the present with their bounty!
To put my two GPL about this, I generally try to avoid falling into speculation if possible. I only really like to believe what I know. When I see direct words from Cryptic, that is what I believe, or good or ill, because it came from them.
They have not said anything on this, so I'm not gonna ponder this until they do, IF they do.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
To put my two GPL about this, I generally try to avoid falling into speculation if possible. I only really like to believe what I know. When I see direct words from Cryptic, that is what I believe, or good or ill, because it came from them.
They have not said anything on this, so I'm not gonna ponder this until they do, IF they do.
If it's about not beliving that thoose ships are in-game, go see for yourself... They are in the foundry.
The about comments in general, yea... I agree.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
That is a shameless approach to damage control, it is without honor, and may hurt you legally far more than apologizing and moving on.
Even if we rule out the legalities, it's just plain bad PR. The forums are only a small fraction of the games population that we all know, but we are also the cream of the crop, we're in for the long haul as long as there are things that keep us around. Many of the people on the forums are lifers, and most of the lifers post on the forums.
Keeping that demographic is very good for longevity. Mistakes, leaks, or bugs are forgiveable, we just want to know you're sorry, and distract us with some sort of shiny we want.
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Depends on what Dev's are on duty, how quick their legal dept can give them a reply, and whether they need to bring down the game to fix this at all, which is not a given.
In this case, you're dealing with:
Copyright - Rights to a fixed work, generally a movie, photograph, painting, etc. Anything after 1923 (with a few weird exceptions) is covered here.
Trademark - A symbol or word used to do business.
Right of Publicity - Someone's face, signature, mannerisms unique to a person. (This is a state issue.)
Violating these things is not CRIMINAL. It's not against the law. (Unless it's piracy, which is.)
Say I draw a picture or make a 3D model of Patrick Stewart and it winds up in a for sale bundle. That's not CRIMINAL. No one will go to jail for it. It isn't against the law. I didn't steal someone else's picture or pirate it.
HOWEVER, he's entitled to a cut or to shut it down. Particularly if my picture shows him endorsing a product or using drugs or something. It's not against the law. The trouble I could get into is that I could be ordered to stop doing it and pay him money.
If I wrote a book, I might or might not be able to claim parody. Same for a political cartoon as part of a larger work. If my product hinges on the satire and not HIM directly, I might be okay in terms of not breaking the law. But I could still be innocent when it comes to breaking any laws and still owe him money that a court could order me to pay even though I didn't break the law. That's what tort is about, very simply put. With tort, I didn't break the law but a court can tell me I owe somebody something because they owned something that I used.
And even if I don't owe him money, he might get mad at me and tell me I can't use his face in something we'd already agreed to but hadn't signed the paperwork on. Which is his right. No law was broken but harm still resulted.
Think of it like this: you're getting an apartment. The leasing office gives you a key and you start moving in. But you haven't finished the paperwork. The realtor's boss might get upset and tell you to get your stuff out... or get upset and raise the rent. You're not trespassing because you were invited. But you could still end up in trouble.
And there is speculation this may be the private ship of Prince William, too. It is always dangerous to respond to speculation as if it is fact.
Unless it wasn't the Wells class but a panic over something ELSE that slipped in, that people who noticed the Wells class might also notice if they dug.
Cryptic have shut the game down in peak hours before, I'm quite sure cryptic would rather mildly annoy some players than risk legal and possibly financial action taken against them...
Your clutching at straws there !!!!
OMG. If they added that and 29th century uniforms, I'd consider my lifetime an investment well made.
Been saying since LAUNCH that 29th century uniforms and timeships would be the ultimate lifer perk/vet reward. Because what says, "You've been here forever and will be" like letting you be from 500 years in the future?
If I was aware of something, I wouldn't say what it was out of courtesy. I think some people here have found other things. I'm only posting about the Wells because it seems Cryptic isn't deleting threads about the Wells.
Patches are pretty much never rolled out that fast. You need approval and testing before you do anything on Holodeck. Its a multi-million dollar MMO, you can't just flip a switch whenever you feel like it.
You'd also have to wake up a bunch of staff to do it in the middle of the night and have to deal with unscheduled OT.
You'll see a hot fix for it soon enough. They could also already have a fix for it but are waiting for a fix for something else to be finished before rolling out the next patch to holodeck.
"Leak" the ship in-game as an NPC in various places...
Stamp out any mention on it & thus fan the forum flames...
Then let the "Roswell Effect" take place...
This creates a buzz & anticipation on the internet & in-game that no advertising could buy. With wild speculation the ships (& others) stay on players minds. When they do finally get revealed it won't even matter if everyone is disappointed, they'll still spend boatloads of cash on it anyway. 2800 was a little bleh, but the playerbase nearly crashed the servers logging in to play, & I see people wearing the 700 zen EV suits despite all the forum rage, so it must work...
Its like the No Doubt lawsuit against Activision.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/05/30/no-doubt-vs-activision-lawsuit-cleared-for-trial-later-this-year/
If you let a video game company do X they can only do X. If they try to do Y you can sue them. Its possible Cryptic doesn't have permission to have the ship in game just yet. So they don't even have rights to do X yet. So in that case they could get in financial trouble.
Nothing in the history of how Cryptic has ever done things suggests that as a possibility.
I sort of doubt that, for reasons that its probably best not to get into too deeply although personally i think it works whether they planned it or not. people are talking about it, getting excited yet at the same time its not common knowledge yet, so unintentionally i think its working in their favour.
POST NO PICTURES
POST NO LINKS
AND DON"T TRY TO GET AROUND THIS BY SAYING E-MAIL ME! (that goes for both ships)
I want to keep this thread going and any picture references put that in danger + your post will most likely get censored with a warning.
Anyone can make a mistake the real trouble you run into is when you refuse to disclose a mistake and try to cover it up. Ethics is doing the right thing, even if it is not the most popluar course of action.
Thank you.
P.S. The KDF can tell time? I have never seen a Klingon clock have you ? :P
Lol, same thing happened last May with the whole "Borticus" thing, oh well. :rolleyes:
ROFL....
What "scandal" and what "cover up?"
Ethics is not expecting a complete lack of privacy on the part of all others. You do not have a right to details of any contract you are not a party to.
That is a shameless approach to damage control, it is without honor, and may hurt you legally far more than apologizing and moving on.
So you mean give it a Doctor Who camelion circuit that actually works?
Oh you mean the [Redacted] ;-) j/k
I'd like to encourage people to keep on topic here, I think the thread's spinning off into crazy conspiracy theories about things here with people making lots of assumptions about things nobody's made an actual statement about (please note, as my signature states - my statements are my own, no genuine knowledge) so let's try and get back onto topic.
What I was trying to say is that they have NPC ships and Playable ships. They may very well resemble each other. They do not necessarily use the same skins, and in fact we have been told that NPC and Player ships have a different "graphical budget". NPC's definitely have AI that player ships don't have, don't necessarily do the same amount of damage, and might actually be more "poppable".
The fact that one appears in game in an NPC context does not rule out the possibility that they made a playable version as well... nor does it automatically imply that they did. It might be an NPC ship only.
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No reason why they wouldn't be able to do that in the 29th century. Heck, the Romulans had that kind of technology in the 22nd century before they developed cloaking, remember the Enterprise episode where their ship could look like any other ship? Surely a ship 500 years in the future has the capability to make itself look like any other ship, it's a smart idea if you are going to go time traveling with it.
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They have not said anything on this, so I'm not gonna ponder this until they do, IF they do.
If it's about not beliving that thoose ships are in-game, go see for yourself... They are in the foundry.
The about comments in general, yea... I agree.
Even if we rule out the legalities, it's just plain bad PR. The forums are only a small fraction of the games population that we all know, but we are also the cream of the crop, we're in for the long haul as long as there are things that keep us around. Many of the people on the forums are lifers, and most of the lifers post on the forums.
Keeping that demographic is very good for longevity. Mistakes, leaks, or bugs are forgiveable, we just want to know you're sorry, and distract us with some sort of shiny we want.