how can it NOT be? you have to actually PROGRAM IN the ship so it'll manifest in the game. That takes some work.
Are you saying it's a rogue file on their hard-drive that is accidentally being integrated into various missions? that seems far-fetched lol
IT is not Far fetched at all. It is replacing the same type of ship in all the missions it appears in.
The dev could have replaced that ship to test it and accidentally committed that code to the live branch.
also, I believe something similar to this happened before the Defari Featured episode series went live, the Defari transport in the first mission showed up in mobs before it was fixed.
Ah, I was right, I went into the foundry, I put a cruiser Mob in and tested the map, it spawned a Wells, it is replacing an existing NPC group already in the game.
Any Mission using that cruiser mob group will spawn a Wells.
It replacing existing NPCs, it isn't is not it's own NPC
how can it NOT be? you have to actually PROGRAM IN the ship so it'll manifest in the game. That takes some work.
Are you saying it's a rogue file on their hard-drive that is accidentally being integrated into various missions? that seems far-fetched lol
Not really. Each team member is working with a different version of the game. My guess is that somebody was working on a bug fix and was a few patches ahead by mistake. So when they went to get the bug fix, they wound up patching in R&D stuff.
It's appearance in game could be the result of something simple being overlooked.
They could have made the ship's skin, set up its weapons/powers loadout and then put it into the ships database to await placement in a future mission and maybe, just maybe, someone forgot to uncheck something that meant it was part of a pool of ships that the game picks ships from in randomly generated mobs.
Then again if people think timeships are the next lockbox item they could want to take advantage of the newly announced 15% Zen promo to stock up on master keys.....
Nooooo, you can do that.
I'm talking about the Ship Costume editor not the NPC model selector.
The editor where you can change skins and ship parts like in the player ship editor.
That is what I am talking about. You can place Romulans, but you can't edit their appearance. Nor can you make a Romulan ship fed faction (by reskinning a Fed ship as a Romulan), but you could do that with klingon/fed.
That is what I am talking about. You can place Romulans, but you can't edit their appearance. Nor can you make a Romulan ship fed faction (by reskinning a Fed ship as a Romulan), but you could do that with klingon/fed.
After inspecting the USS WELLS model, It is most def just an NPC ship so far. The model and skin are poorly detailed. You aren't missing anything. In other news, the Typhoon class is yet to be playable.
After inspecting the USS WELLS model, It is most def just an NPC ship so far. The model and skin are poorly detailed. You aren't missing anything. In other news, the Typhoon class is yet to be playable.
It doesn't look that bad, I thought it looked quite good.
I think most of the model budget went into making the curves and bumps on it.
It seems very accurate to the show.
Tribble patch going up, how much you want to bet the Wells will be gone.
Checked google and yah, that's a Wells class alright.
I can only hope it doesn't end up in a lockbox. (Or in player hands by any other means for that matter.) An idle hope, perhaps. It would be great to encounter it in a mission or several missions at some point down the line, but it's kind of like some of the other things that make it in and become way too common a sight in the game... Remember when Section 31 cared enough about secrecy to not stroll into Club 47 in a clearly recognizable, easy-to-clean-the-blood-off uniform? Pepperidge farm disavows all knowledge.
It's not a paradox is it's supposed to be here in the past. I also submit Data' Head being found in an archaeological dig from hundreds of years past. Also "Assignment: Earth" from TOS, the Enterprise wound up playing the role in the events of that episode. The Enteprise not doing anything other than what they did would have created a paradox.
As for timeships, check out the registry numbers.
The Relativity on Voyager is the NCV-474439-G.
The NCV-474439 should already be in service based on registry numbers. (Prefix doesn't affect number. The NX-01 would become the NCC-01 after its shakedown.) By naming conventions established in Star Trek, it means the Federation has already got the FIRST Relativity in service (and that it developed it sometime since the Dominion War)... and since names of ships tend to be consistent with mission...
The Federation already has a time fleet in service.
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I says that you have to make amuch strong case about the USS Relativity already being in server. We have no idea what rare of ships will be constructed in the future. They may be a long period of period. And with ships that are designed for 100 years of service now (relative to STO). Future spaceframes are no doubt better.
And I'll point out a bit of hypocrisy with the Prime Directive. It prohibits providing underdeveloped species with technology or influencing them, yes?
But it doesn't prohibit US from going to more advanced species (First Federation, Halkans, Borg technology, Q, El Aurians, etc.) and learning from them. So what we prohibit OUR people doing to less advanced species, we actively seek out from more advanced species.
There are Prime Directive cuts 2 ways. First is not interfering with pre-warp cultures. The second is non-involvement the internal affairs of other cultures. Best example of that is the Klingon Civil War during TNG. The Federation didnt' get directly involved but did prevent the Romulans from interfering as well.
Which takes us to the Temporal Prime Directive, something I'm not sure Janeway even fully understood. Looking for consistency with the Prime Directive, I'd wager... That the Temporal Prime Directive outlaws meddling with the past.
HOWEVER... That the position of Starfleet is to actively borrow, stripmine, reverse engineer, or steal as much future technology as you can get your hands on... and that any reservations Picard or Janeway had come down to them misunderstanding the TPD or simply being out of step with Starfleet's own policies.
The Temporal Prime Directive would more properly be state as trying to preserve the past. It's best not to interfer with it in the first place. But when circumstances warrant it, Starfleet personnel would need to get involved to present the timeline. Such as well Sisko and crew got sent back into the 21th Century ("Past Tense"). Gabriel Bell, a pivot person, of that time period died because Sisko and crew disrupted the events. Sisko wound up taking Bell's role so that the timeline would be preserved as much as possible. The only change wound up Sisko's photo replacin that of Gabrielle Bell in the history books.
I was just doing the Psi Canis Sorty... and you know the one where you have to find the transport in sector space to start it? well there was a Wells, clearly marked as such, escorting it around the sector and 2 of them in the mission...
I was just doing the Psi Canis Sorty... and you know the one where you have to find the transport in sector space to start it? well there was a Wells, clearly marked as such, escorting it around the sector and 2 of them in the mission...
Yeah, as I said in a previous page, it appears in cruiser mobs. Any mission that has a Federation Cruiser Mob will have the chance to Spawn a Wells.
I was right, the Wells, Vesta and Kolath are gone from the foundry list in the latest tribble patch, and as far as I can tell, it no longer spawns as a NPC.
The NCV-474439 should already be in service based on registry numbers. (Prefix doesn't affect number. The NX-01 would become the NCC-01 after its shakedown.) By naming conventions established in Star Trek, it means the Federation has already got the FIRST Relativity in service (and that it developed it sometime since the Dominion War)... and since names of ships tend to be consistent with mission...
The Federation already has a time fleet in service.
Erm...Voyager's registry is 74656 and the Defiant's is 74205 (suggesting Starfleet numbers ships sequentially*). With regard to the newest ships in STO, the Odyssey is registered as NCC-97000 and the Regent is 97310. Those are all 5 digit registries as opposed to the Relativity's 6 digits (and the 8th to bear the number!)
*: The other possibility was a class number followed by a ship number. So instead of starship 1,701 the original Enterprise would have been ship 01 of class 17, with the prototype Constitution being ship 00 as the first in her class. Of course, that would have also made the Defiant a 'double O' ship...something that would probably have amused Bashir no end once he caught on.
All the more reason to keep it out of player hands. The Wells Class causes multiple plot holes by just existing, giving it to players would just defile it even further.
Edit: Have I mentioned it's ugly yet? Cause it is.
I don't know, The Federation's been exposed to future technology. The proverbial
genie's been let out of the bottle.
In "Future's end" Henry Starling, had Braxton's timeship and was cannibalizing it
for it's advanced technology.
In fact, Janeway commented that the computer revolution was a direct result of Starling's activities.
Who's to say that Starfleet's knowledge of the Relativity's existence didn't influence the direction of their research and development of new technology, causing the ship to pop into existence earlier in the timeline?
If it's the 1000-day reward, I figure it means veteran captains are being 'deputized' by Temporal Enforcement from the future. They need a few courageous leaders to keep the timeline straight, and it's something that we don't need too much future-knowledge to do. The ships are downgraded and equipped with security systems to ensure we have just enough technology to do our jobs, but we can't reverse-engineer any of the futuristic stuff.
Perhaps the Romulans are still very important in the future, and this being a critical time in their resettlement, the temptation is high for outside or future influences to meddle with their current situation.
Someone mentioned that a timeship would ideally not stand out too much from the ships of its era, in order to get the job done easier. Perhaps the Wells is already 'retro'-looking as much as it can be while still retaining its advanced functionality.
Take a look at my Foundry missions! Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
It's not a paradox is it's supposed to be here in the past. I also submit Data' Head being found in an archaeological dig from hundreds of years past. Also "Assignment: Earth" from TOS, the Enterprise wound up playing the role in the events of that episode. The Enteprise not doing anything other than what they did would have created a paradox.
It's a paradox because no one invented it.
The technology came from the future. It has now been mass produced in the present. It's a big timeloop. The armband was created and mass produced after being found from the future. The future armband is the product of itself.
It's kinda like transparent aluminum. Scotty showed the inventor how it worked because he had seen it in the future.
There are Prime Directive cuts 2 ways. First is not interfering with pre-warp cultures. The second is non-involvement the internal affairs of other cultures. Best example of that is the Klingon Civil War during TNG. The Federation didnt' get directly involved but did prevent the Romulans from interfering as well.
Right. But my point is that the Federation does seek to learn from more advanced cultures and does accept the interference of more powerful cultures.
That's the hypocrisy. The Federation wants more advanced cultures to do for them what they won't do for less advanced cultures.
Imagine they encountered the Organians and the Organians said, "No. We don't interfere in the affairs of other cultures, particularly less advanced ones."
Most captains from Trek would be giving them a speech about how the Organians could do so much good if they'd reconsider.
I also seen some of it,even in foundry missions. I was surprised when a Wells class starships appeared equiped with antiproton beam array and chroniton torpedoes. It must be an accidental update on the game or on purpose. Nobody knows why it appeared in-game as NPC ships.
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I can't see it being intentional if it can appear with any Fed mob, it can still be an accident that it is spawning.
Only thing I can think of, is a dev was testing it as an NPC and accidentally committed that code to the live branch.
IT is not Far fetched at all. It is replacing the same type of ship in all the missions it appears in.
The dev could have replaced that ship to test it and accidentally committed that code to the live branch.
AS I said it is a theory, but it makes more sense then being intentional.
Why else would they delete posts containing pictures of it? They don't seem to care if we discuss it, but they don't want us showing pictures.
I could be wrong.
Any Mission using that cruiser mob group will spawn a Wells.
It replacing existing NPCs, it isn't is not it's own NPC
Not really. Each team member is working with a different version of the game. My guess is that somebody was working on a bug fix and was a few patches ahead by mistake. So when they went to get the bug fix, they wound up patching in R&D stuff.
They could have made the ship's skin, set up its weapons/powers loadout and then put it into the ships database to await placement in a future mission and maybe, just maybe, someone forgot to uncheck something that meant it was part of a pool of ships that the game picks ships from in randomly generated mobs.
Then again if people think timeships are the next lockbox item they could want to take advantage of the newly announced 15% Zen promo to stock up on master keys.....
That is what I am talking about. You can place Romulans, but you can't edit their appearance. Nor can you make a Romulan ship fed faction (by reskinning a Fed ship as a Romulan), but you could do that with klingon/fed.
Oh yeah, you're right.
Sorry, I was confused there for a moment.
It doesn't look that bad, I thought it looked quite good.
I think most of the model budget went into making the curves and bumps on it.
It seems very accurate to the show.
Tribble patch going up, how much you want to bet the Wells will be gone.
I can only hope it doesn't end up in a lockbox. (Or in player hands by any other means for that matter.) An idle hope, perhaps. It would be great to encounter it in a mission or several missions at some point down the line, but it's kind of like some of the other things that make it in and become way too common a sight in the game... Remember when Section 31 cared enough about secrecy to not stroll into Club 47 in a clearly recognizable, easy-to-clean-the-blood-off uniform? Pepperidge farm disavows all knowledge.
It's not a paradox is it's supposed to be here in the past. I also submit Data' Head being found in an archaeological dig from hundreds of years past. Also "Assignment: Earth" from TOS, the Enterprise wound up playing the role in the events of that episode. The Enteprise not doing anything other than what they did would have created a paradox.
As for timeships, check out the registry numbers.
The Relativity on Voyager is the NCV-474439-G.
The NCV-474439 should already be in service based on registry numbers. (Prefix doesn't affect number. The NX-01 would become the NCC-01 after its shakedown.) By naming conventions established in Star Trek, it means the Federation has already got the FIRST Relativity in service (and that it developed it sometime since the Dominion War)... and since names of ships tend to be consistent with mission...
The Federation already has a time fleet in service.
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I says that you have to make amuch strong case about the USS Relativity already being in server. We have no idea what rare of ships will be constructed in the future. They may be a long period of period. And with ships that are designed for 100 years of service now (relative to STO). Future spaceframes are no doubt better.
There are Prime Directive cuts 2 ways. First is not interfering with pre-warp cultures. The second is non-involvement the internal affairs of other cultures. Best example of that is the Klingon Civil War during TNG. The Federation didnt' get directly involved but did prevent the Romulans from interfering as well.
The Temporal Prime Directive would more properly be state as trying to preserve the past. It's best not to interfer with it in the first place. But when circumstances warrant it, Starfleet personnel would need to get involved to present the timeline. Such as well Sisko and crew got sent back into the 21th Century ("Past Tense"). Gabriel Bell, a pivot person, of that time period died because Sisko and crew disrupted the events. Sisko wound up taking Bell's role so that the timeline would be preserved as much as possible. The only change wound up Sisko's photo replacin that of Gabrielle Bell in the history books.
Yeah, as I said in a previous page, it appears in cruiser mobs. Any mission that has a Federation Cruiser Mob will have the chance to Spawn a Wells.
Erm...Voyager's registry is 74656 and the Defiant's is 74205 (suggesting Starfleet numbers ships sequentially*). With regard to the newest ships in STO, the Odyssey is registered as NCC-97000 and the Regent is 97310. Those are all 5 digit registries as opposed to the Relativity's 6 digits (and the 8th to bear the number!)
*: The other possibility was a class number followed by a ship number. So instead of starship 1,701 the original Enterprise would have been ship 01 of class 17, with the prototype Constitution being ship 00 as the first in her class. Of course, that would have also made the Defiant a 'double O' ship...something that would probably have amused Bashir no end once he caught on.
I don't know, The Federation's been exposed to future technology. The proverbial
genie's been let out of the bottle.
In "Future's end" Henry Starling, had Braxton's timeship and was cannibalizing it
for it's advanced technology.
In fact, Janeway commented that the computer revolution was a direct result of Starling's activities.
Who's to say that Starfleet's knowledge of the Relativity's existence didn't influence the direction of their research and development of new technology, causing the ship to pop into existence earlier in the timeline?
If it's the 1000-day reward, I figure it means veteran captains are being 'deputized' by Temporal Enforcement from the future. They need a few courageous leaders to keep the timeline straight, and it's something that we don't need too much future-knowledge to do. The ships are downgraded and equipped with security systems to ensure we have just enough technology to do our jobs, but we can't reverse-engineer any of the futuristic stuff.
Perhaps the Romulans are still very important in the future, and this being a critical time in their resettlement, the temptation is high for outside or future influences to meddle with their current situation.
Someone mentioned that a timeship would ideally not stand out too much from the ships of its era, in order to get the job done easier. Perhaps the Wells is already 'retro'-looking as much as it can be while still retaining its advanced functionality.
Conjoined, Re-emergence, and . . .
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It's a paradox because no one invented it.
The technology came from the future. It has now been mass produced in the present. It's a big timeloop. The armband was created and mass produced after being found from the future. The future armband is the product of itself.
It's kinda like transparent aluminum. Scotty showed the inventor how it worked because he had seen it in the future.
It's a predestination paradox.
Right. But my point is that the Federation does seek to learn from more advanced cultures and does accept the interference of more powerful cultures.
That's the hypocrisy. The Federation wants more advanced cultures to do for them what they won't do for less advanced cultures.
Imagine they encountered the Organians and the Organians said, "No. We don't interfere in the affairs of other cultures, particularly less advanced ones."
Most captains from Trek would be giving them a speech about how the Organians could do so much good if they'd reconsider.
Seriously? stoleviathan99? I've never seen you this lame on posts. Your ideas of the feds are so off it's not funny.
Either an event that happens that has been influenced by other dimension. Tholian/mirror universe, by a temporal incursion or both.