Keeping that demographic is very good for longevity. Mistakes, leaks, or bugs are forgiveable, we just want to know you're sorry, and distract us with some sort of shiny we want.
There we go.... its not a scandal, its a fishing expedition.....
In my opinion, it is simply a skin that got pushed to live on accident. In combat, it has stats akin to a t-3 or T-4 Sci ship, so it's likely a placeholder. With the Iconians being frakkers and part of the overall game plot, I wouldn't be supposed if this is an NPC ship made for a story/mission related to them.
Wait, where is this a player ship? I thought it was just 'seen in game' (and in the foundry)
Foundry missions are just fan-fiction. They are not plot affecting.
Almost, all the ships in the Foundry ship Costume Editor are player ships.
Heck, I ceck the foundry costume editor weekly after patches to see if any ships sneak in there because as I've said, most of the time they are player ships, if they're not yet they will be.
The Ferengi Marauder, Jem'Hadar Fighter and Cardassian Galor all showed up shortly before being in Lockboxes, or even announced to being in lockboxes.
The Defiant's Type 11 shuttle was in there months before it was released.
It has a good track record of being right, excluding the Wells, Kolath and Vesta, the only ship in the editor that isn't a player ship is the Phoenix.
OMG. If they added that and 29th century uniforms, I'd consider my lifetime an investment well made.
Been saying since LAUNCH that 29th century uniforms and timeships would be the ultimate lifer perk/vet reward. Because what says, "You've been here forever and will be" like letting you be from 500 years in the future?
Considering it is the last veteran reward as well... I would readily endorse this. Unfortunately, they have not yet specified a uniform reward. Hopefully, if this is where they are headed, they might be inspired to add (able to schedule) the uniforms too.
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the only ship in the editor that isn't a player ship is the Phoenix.
Yes it is. The Phoenix is a costume variant of the Prometheus. It's a free variation.
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Almost, all the ships in the Foundry ship Costume Editor are player ships.
Heck, I ceck the foundry costume editor weekly after patches to see if any ships sneak in there because as I've said, most of the time they are player ships, if they're not yet they will be.
The Ferengi Marauder, Jem'Hadar Fighter and Cardassian Galor all showed up shortly before being in Lockboxes, or even announced to being in lockboxes.
The Defiant's Type 11 shuttle was in there months before it was released.
It has a good track record of being right, excluding the Wells, Kolath and Vesta, the only ship in the editor that isn't a player ship is the Phoenix.
Player ships show up in the foundry. Surprise. But does this mean npc ships do not show up in the foundry?
You may be right, but you are dealing with small numbers of examples. It is hard to be certain of that being a solid indicator.
Playable ships don't fly themselves, for one thing.
Ok, so which one of the devs took daddies new car out for a run around the block :P
On a more serious note, Big point made a PR nightmare when they decided to let a few of the community staff fly a few new ships (Cylon war raider-Colonial Viper MKIX) on the live servers to promote it's release. Everyone was excited to get hold of it, but because they took months to release it, the community turned on them and a lot of nerd rage spread over their forums.
Even if we rule out the legalities, it's just plain bad PR. The forums are only a small fraction of the games population that we all know, but we are also the cream of the crop, we're in for the long haul as long as there are things that keep us around. Many of the people on the forums are lifers, and most of the lifers post on the forums.
Keeping that demographic is very good for longevity. Mistakes, leaks, or bugs are forgiveable, we just want to know you're sorry, and distract us with some sort of shiny we want.
I'm sorry but no... way to try and toot your own horn... if anything the majority of the people on this forum (and any MMO forum) represent the dregs of the community... most of them are the ones who rather than playing the game love to spend time trolling, flaming, complaining it all just isn't fair and doomsaying ... the "cream of the crop" of the community is far to busy actually in game to waste much time posting here... it's even worse in the F2P enviroment because people don't need to pay a sub to post and thus can create throw away accounts without fear of loosing anything
also while I can understand wishing they would apologize or at least acknowledged mistakes and bugs that affect gameplay why would they apologize for a leak like this that doesn't hurt gameplay or cost anyone anything of value? acknowledge yes apologize no
Whatever it was, it was obviously not meant to be seen yet.
Oops.
Could be that the ship isn't finished. Could be they don't have a green light to put it into the game yet. Could be it was meant to be a big surprise (and now it's not).
The fact that it shows up as an NPC ship tells me that whatever people saw/are seeing is not playable. Playable ships don't fly themselves, for one thing.
a couple things.... if it was not yet ment to be seen yet. how the hell did it end up in game? thats some really sloppy work on their end if thats the case.
if it isnt finished, again- how could it have accidently made it into live coding? thats some real sloppy QA and reviewing they have there.
if it doesnt have the green light- my god what a waste of resources. makes me wonder what else they've wasted time and money on that never makes it that could have been spent elsewhere.
the oddy showed up as an npc first. that DS9 mission had it. the fact that its an npc ship doesnt mean anything. all the ships in the game (mostly) have an npc version. doesnt mean that we cant fly them now does it?
-cries- if this **** is true then yet another stupidly powerful and ship that has no business being here will probably be released on the horizon...
the jem/cardy/ferengi ships were hard enough to swallow. the tholian ship was crossing the line.
if this....
-feels sick to his stomach- does no one here think this is monumentally stupid of them to be introducing things like this? if its story line only then that may be acceptable. but knowing crypitc, theyre gonna cash in on it. there is nothing they havent released ingame since free to play that doesnt cost real world money in some form.
There's about three weeks until the first 1000 day vets hit. Unless there's another ship planned in that time, the Wells/Kolath class it is.
Ships can take a long time to develop.
Now, the flipside is that I think that buy the end of the year, they'll start auto-awarding ALL vet rewards to anyone who buys a lifetime sub. Steel yourselves for that controversy.
As for the uniform, all they need is a top, pips, and badge. In theory, this could be awarded to both factions. The top is just a reskin of the AGT top if you look at it. The top would use a texture similar to the one already seen on the Ferengi merchant jacket and the Tholian silk robe.
Or MAYBE there are contractual issues with the Wells or another ship... and the leaking COULD scare off a third party who owns the design. Unlikely.
But ESPECIALLY if we're talking about a design that, say, CBS doesn't own but is trying to buy, something that Cryptic doesn't have any legal rights to develop yet.
I think the community is being a bit immature on this.
Cryptic works on things internally that have not been approved and sometimes that they don't have legal rights for. Like the J.J. Abrams uniforms and the Kzinti. Or CERTAIN ships.
And the release of these things could cost large amounts of money or sink the game.
So the release shouldn't happen. The release of these kinds of things can cost people their jobs. I'm sure there's a lively post-mortem being had today. And I not only understand deleting the threads, I'd have been half tempted to shut down the game and the website for maintenance until a fix could be put in.
It's not some silly leak Cryptic is overreacting to. Its avoiding liability for a massive lawsuit.
Whoops! There goes the 20 people they just hired. Behind the eightball again! I can already hear Danny Boy's apologetic response:
"Regrettably we haven't been able to fix all the problems caused by S6, because of an unfortunate, and unexpected, downsizing of the team over the Wells Debacle." Thanks for playing.
-feels sick to his stomach- does no one here think this is monumentally stupid of them to be introducing things like this? if its story line only then that may be acceptable. but knowing crypitc, theyre gonna cash in on it. there is nothing they havent released ingame since free to play that doesnt cost real world money in some form.
Free to play does not mean free to maintain, they have bills to pay. So if releasing content you have to pay for you to get straight off the bat does that, then they have my support.
They are not forcing anyone to pay for anything. You can still have pretty much everything in this game as a free to play member. Earn Dilithium and sell it on the Dilithium exchange for Zen. Plus a lot of players sell Lock box ships on the exchange for EC. Yeah it might take time to grind the required resource, but what MMO doesn't offers high tier gear that does not require hours of grinding.
I'm sorry but no... way to try and toot your own horn... if anything the majority of the people on this forum (and any MMO forum) represent the dregs of the community... most of them are the ones who rather than playing the game love to spend time trolling, flaming, complaining it all just isn't fair and doomsaying ... the "cream of the crop" of the community is far to busy actually in game to waste much time posting here... it's even worse in the F2P enviroment because people don't need to pay a sub to post and thus can create throw away accounts without fear of loosing anything
I will ask you one question: Which camp are you in?
Free to play does not mean free to maintain, they have bills to pay. So if releasing content you have to pay for you to get straight off the bat does that, then they have my support.
They are not forcing anyone to pay for anything. You can still have pretty much everything in this game as a free to play member. Earn Dilithium and sell it on the Dilithium exchange for Zen. Plus a lot of players sell Lock box ships on the exchange for EC. Yeah it might take time to grind the required resource, but what MMO doesn't offers high tier gear that does not require hours of grinding.
and i agree with you 100% if everything that was released didnt cost real world money, and if they didnt also offer lifetime subs/paid subs. those people paid/are paying for nothing extra and cryptic is making up to double their money from those guys compaired to the "free to play'ers"
basically its rewarding those who only spend money but not actually subscirbe which also gives them money.
i cant be the only one who see this as bad.
and even then! i would be ok if everything was as it is now only if they kept to what star trek is.
the tholians completely ruined that.
i mean seriously, thye introduce the most alien race in the game.
yet we can fly their ships willy-nilly.
theres a point that going for the all mightly dollar shouldnt cross a line and they crossed it with that.
(never mind all the broken things in the game, the lousy QA which let this slip through their testing and somehow make it onto the live server, the ignoring the fan base, the ignoring the customer base, the general lies that are told then claimed to never have been said)
Wierd... so you can reskin a Fed ship as Klingon (or vis versa), but not as Romulan?
Nooooo, you can do that.
I'm talking about the Ship Costume editor not the NPC model selector.
The editor where you can change skins and ship parts like in the player ship editor.
little of all of them I guess depending on how much I've had to drink at any given moment
That is my point, we can all be harsh critics, and not all of it is deserved. But it almost always has constructive intent. The truly malicious do not last very long.
That is my point, we can all be harsh critics, and not all of it is deserved. But it almost always has constructive intent. The truly malicious do not last very long.
see that's the key word... First it doesn't always have constrictive intent a lot of the time... and second most of the times the intent to be constructive is ALL it has because it isn't actually constructive
I'm not saying there aren't a few well thought out and actually constructive posts being put on here... just that the majority of it is anything but
I'm sorry but no... way to try and toot your own horn... if anything the majority of the people on this forum (and any MMO forum) represent the dregs of the community... most of them are the ones who rather than playing the game love to spend time trolling, flaming, complaining it all just isn't fair and doomsaying ... the "cream of the crop" of the community is far to busy actually in game to waste much time posting here... it's even worse in the F2P enviroment because people don't need to pay a sub to post and thus can create throw away accounts without fear of loosing anything
also while I can understand wishing they would apologize or at least acknowledged mistakes and bugs that affect gameplay why would they apologize for a leak like this that doesn't hurt gameplay or cost anyone anything of value? acknowledge yes apologize no
"Dregs of the community?" Boy are you misinformed. I paid 400$ for my membership. Until recently, I bought everything Cryptic put in the C-store. (OCD over having the "complete" game) I've watched this game turn from the promising, innovative, idea it once was, to the shameless, hollow, Korean, lottery, clone, toilet, that it has become. What do I get for all the money, and time spent on this game? A long succession of poor design decisions, half-baked ideas, and empty promises, that things will get better. Looking at the exchange, they're obviously making money off the lockbox gimmick, curiously though, the game just seems to get more buggier than a bed in a Pakistani, flophouse, with every patch/season. Danny Boy says the games getting bigger, and better. How's that? At the rate that new bugs are popping up, the game will be unplayable, in two more seasons. If you're happy playing this substandard, TRIBBLE, knock yourself out, Ace. But don't get on someone else's case for voicing their opinion.
"Dregs of the community?" Boy are you misinformed. I paid 400$ for my membership. Until recently, I bought everything Cryptic put in the C-store. (OCD over having the "complete" game) I've watched this game turn from the promising, innovative, idea it once was, to the shameless, hollow, Korean, lottery, clone, toilet, that it has become. What do I get for all the money, and time spent on this game? A long succession of poor design decisions, half-baked ideas, and empty promises, that things will get better. Looking at the exchange, they're obviously making money off the lockbox gimmick, curiously though, the game just seems to get more buggier than a bed in a Pakistani, flophouse, with every patch/season. Danny Boy says the games getting bigger, and better. How's that? At the rate that new bugs are popping up, the game will be unplayable, in two more seasons. If you're happy playing this substandard, TRIBBLE, knock yourself out, Ace. But don't get on someone else's case for voicing their opinion.
Also doesn't it seem weird that the ship would appear in State of Q (where anything can be manifested by Q,
That isn't the only place it appears as an NPC. It also appears in Skirmish, I've heard it appears in the Klingon mission "Second Star to the Right" and in Klingon Starbase Defence Missions.
Its part of the Federation ship 'mobs' it can appear almost any where with Fed NPC groups.
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There we go.... its not a scandal, its a fishing expedition.....
In my opinion, it is simply a skin that got pushed to live on accident. In combat, it has stats akin to a t-3 or T-4 Sci ship, so it's likely a placeholder. With the Iconians being frakkers and part of the overall game plot, I wouldn't be supposed if this is an NPC ship made for a story/mission related to them.
Almost, all the ships in the Foundry ship Costume Editor are player ships.
Heck, I ceck the foundry costume editor weekly after patches to see if any ships sneak in there because as I've said, most of the time they are player ships, if they're not yet they will be.
The Ferengi Marauder, Jem'Hadar Fighter and Cardassian Galor all showed up shortly before being in Lockboxes, or even announced to being in lockboxes.
The Defiant's Type 11 shuttle was in there months before it was released.
It has a good track record of being right, excluding the Wells, Kolath and Vesta, the only ship in the editor that isn't a player ship is the Phoenix.
Considering it is the last veteran reward as well... I would readily endorse this. Unfortunately, they have not yet specified a uniform reward. Hopefully, if this is where they are headed, they might be inspired to add (able to schedule) the uniforms too.
Yes it is. The Phoenix is a costume variant of the Prometheus. It's a free variation.
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
Player ships show up in the foundry. Surprise. But does this mean npc ships do not show up in the foundry?
You may be right, but you are dealing with small numbers of examples. It is hard to be certain of that being a solid indicator.
Ok, so which one of the devs took daddies new car out for a run around the block :P
On a more serious note, Big point made a PR nightmare when they decided to let a few of the community staff fly a few new ships (Cylon war raider-Colonial Viper MKIX) on the live servers to promote it's release. Everyone was excited to get hold of it, but because they took months to release it, the community turned on them and a lot of nerd rage spread over their forums.
The only non-federation/Klingon ships in the costume editor are the Marauder, Galor and Bugship, which are all Player ships
There are no Ships in the costume editor that are NPC only.
That would mean the Wells, Vesta and Kolath are most likely player ships.
Ah, so it was Q all along, that no good interfering %^*". Wait till Guinan hears about this.
I'm sorry but no... way to try and toot your own horn... if anything the majority of the people on this forum (and any MMO forum) represent the dregs of the community... most of them are the ones who rather than playing the game love to spend time trolling, flaming, complaining it all just isn't fair and doomsaying ... the "cream of the crop" of the community is far to busy actually in game to waste much time posting here... it's even worse in the F2P enviroment because people don't need to pay a sub to post and thus can create throw away accounts without fear of loosing anything
also while I can understand wishing they would apologize or at least acknowledged mistakes and bugs that affect gameplay why would they apologize for a leak like this that doesn't hurt gameplay or cost anyone anything of value? acknowledge yes apologize no
Wierd... so you can reskin a Fed ship as Klingon (or vis versa), but not as Romulan?
a couple things.... if it was not yet ment to be seen yet. how the hell did it end up in game? thats some really sloppy work on their end if thats the case.
if it isnt finished, again- how could it have accidently made it into live coding? thats some real sloppy QA and reviewing they have there.
if it doesnt have the green light- my god what a waste of resources. makes me wonder what else they've wasted time and money on that never makes it that could have been spent elsewhere.
the oddy showed up as an npc first. that DS9 mission had it. the fact that its an npc ship doesnt mean anything. all the ships in the game (mostly) have an npc version. doesnt mean that we cant fly them now does it?
-cries- if this **** is true then yet another stupidly powerful and ship that has no business being here will probably be released on the horizon...
the jem/cardy/ferengi ships were hard enough to swallow. the tholian ship was crossing the line.
if this....
-feels sick to his stomach- does no one here think this is monumentally stupid of them to be introducing things like this? if its story line only then that may be acceptable. but knowing crypitc, theyre gonna cash in on it. there is nothing they havent released ingame since free to play that doesnt cost real world money in some form.
Look, just because Dr. Honeydew asks you to swallow star ships doesn't mean it is a good idea.
Seriously, you need to start standing up for yourself!
Ships can take a long time to develop.
Now, the flipside is that I think that buy the end of the year, they'll start auto-awarding ALL vet rewards to anyone who buys a lifetime sub. Steel yourselves for that controversy.
As for the uniform, all they need is a top, pips, and badge. In theory, this could be awarded to both factions. The top is just a reskin of the AGT top if you look at it. The top would use a texture similar to the one already seen on the Ferengi merchant jacket and the Tholian silk robe.
you have to explain it to him in a way he can understand...
like this "meep meep meep? Mee-mee-mee meep meep meep!"
Whoops! There goes the 20 people they just hired. Behind the eightball again! I can already hear Danny Boy's apologetic response:
"Regrettably we haven't been able to fix all the problems caused by S6, because of an unfortunate, and unexpected, downsizing of the team over the Wells Debacle." Thanks for playing.
Free to play does not mean free to maintain, they have bills to pay. So if releasing content you have to pay for you to get straight off the bat does that, then they have my support.
They are not forcing anyone to pay for anything. You can still have pretty much everything in this game as a free to play member. Earn Dilithium and sell it on the Dilithium exchange for Zen. Plus a lot of players sell Lock box ships on the exchange for EC. Yeah it might take time to grind the required resource, but what MMO doesn't offers high tier gear that does not require hours of grinding.
I will ask you one question: Which camp are you in?
little of all of them I guess depending on how much I've had to drink at any given moment
and i agree with you 100% if everything that was released didnt cost real world money, and if they didnt also offer lifetime subs/paid subs. those people paid/are paying for nothing extra and cryptic is making up to double their money from those guys compaired to the "free to play'ers"
basically its rewarding those who only spend money but not actually subscirbe which also gives them money.
i cant be the only one who see this as bad.
and even then! i would be ok if everything was as it is now only if they kept to what star trek is.
the tholians completely ruined that.
i mean seriously, thye introduce the most alien race in the game.
yet we can fly their ships willy-nilly.
theres a point that going for the all mightly dollar shouldnt cross a line and they crossed it with that.
(never mind all the broken things in the game, the lousy QA which let this slip through their testing and somehow make it onto the live server, the ignoring the fan base, the ignoring the customer base, the general lies that are told then claimed to never have been said)
i dont know about what camp, but im a part of team compainion.
Nooooo, you can do that.
I'm talking about the Ship Costume editor not the NPC model selector.
The editor where you can change skins and ship parts like in the player ship editor.
That is my point, we can all be harsh critics, and not all of it is deserved. But it almost always has constructive intent. The truly malicious do not last very long.
see that's the key word... First it doesn't always have constrictive intent a lot of the time... and second most of the times the intent to be constructive is ALL it has because it isn't actually constructive
I'm not saying there aren't a few well thought out and actually constructive posts being put on here... just that the majority of it is anything but
"Dregs of the community?" Boy are you misinformed. I paid 400$ for my membership. Until recently, I bought everything Cryptic put in the C-store. (OCD over having the "complete" game) I've watched this game turn from the promising, innovative, idea it once was, to the shameless, hollow, Korean, lottery, clone, toilet, that it has become. What do I get for all the money, and time spent on this game? A long succession of poor design decisions, half-baked ideas, and empty promises, that things will get better. Looking at the exchange, they're obviously making money off the lockbox gimmick, curiously though, the game just seems to get more buggier than a bed in a Pakistani, flophouse, with every patch/season. Danny Boy says the games getting bigger, and better. How's that? At the rate that new bugs are popping up, the game will be unplayable, in two more seasons. If you're happy playing this substandard, TRIBBLE, knock yourself out, Ace. But don't get on someone else's case for voicing their opinion.
thank you for proving my point... lol
That isn't the only place it appears as an NPC. It also appears in Skirmish, I've heard it appears in the Klingon mission "Second Star to the Right" and in Klingon Starbase Defence Missions.
Its part of the Federation ship 'mobs' it can appear almost any where with Fed NPC groups.