Yet we get flooded with Pay content and not much else (sure a few new missions every 6 months or so when a new "Season" comes out)
That's why I said based on priority. Orders are another consideration as well. And considering PWE's goals... it's probably a safe bet they're ordering their messed-up priorities on Cryptic.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
That's why I said based on priority. Orders are another consideration as well. And considering PWE's goals... it's probably a safe bet they're ordering their messed-up priorities on Cryptic.
Another "Im gonna defend cryptic no matter what" post.
i was never a huge fan of the sovy. despite the fact that they wanted it to look more elegant then the galaxy, to me it did not really with all those hard edges on the saucer and nacelles etc.
also i always thought it was too militaristic looking. but the refit..yay very nice sleek 2409 design. props to JamJamz i like it. nice work
my only "but" is, that it looks a lot like a vesta with forward swept pylons. but i am curious how the vesta will turn out ingame
If the Stats of the ship will be on par with Oddys (or even better) and are buyable as an accountlock, I will buy it. Always wanted an accountwide cruiser, and although the Oddys look nice, the customizationoptions were to small.
I used to look forward to a new sovy. I was thinking STO would use something similar to the Nemesis skin and give it the type 6. I would have bought it just like that. I even have the money set aside. But this work is seriously sub par. I am not sure who it is that has this idea that all new ships have to have pylons/nacels angled forward to look cool. Sure it looked good on a Sao Pallo, but on this ship? Who ever made that call really failed on that part.
I wanted a Sovy refit, not a Sao Pallo, Venture, Arimitage, Oddyssey, MVAV kit bash hybrid. These ships are freaking expensive as it is. Face it, the skin is ugly, now all it comes down to is if the consul is useful and the stats are better suited to be an assault cruiser. Currently the Oddy does a very good job of replacing the original sovy in every aspect except for the 1 degree turn difference. Now all it comes down to is stats at this point.
When it comes to cruisers, I use the Excelsior. It doesn't come with a consul, and its unique ability has been made obsolete as Starbases allow you to get around sector space with transwarps, and the ability to just pay for a tranwarp to another sector as a short cut. Except for the gambling ships out there, it is the most escort like cruiser in the game. Best dealing DPS, and most maneuverable. With one RCS console (as that is all that is needed) gets you up to about 15 turn rate. And hull points to keep your DPS gimped rear end alive. While still giving you the ability to support a team of players. If I am not doing that, I'm in a Patrol escort. Survivability but still in a DPS machine. I have always been a cruiser captain, but had to move to escorts that had survivability so I could pretend to be a tank while dealing some needed DPS in the STFs. As those are time gated and DPS is what really matters for the optional. I have 7 characters in this game, and 4 of them are engineers. Two in oddys, one set up for DPS and the other set up for tanking. A Engineer built for a patrol escort, and then an engineer built for an Excelsior. Right now as it stands, the Oddy is the best tanking ship FED side. If built correctly can do some good DPS, or do both. It is going to be very hard for a refit sovy to outperform a Oddy. A 1 degree turn rate doesn't make up for all the other stats it has to compete with from the oddy.
That is right, no commander slot. Some people will argue that is a large sacrifice, not really for a cruiser. You are giving up Aceton Beam 3 (which is used rarely), Reverse Shield Polarity 3 (oh **** button that lasts slightly longer then a level 1 version, that is it), Eject Warp Plasma 3 (its own uses but wont be missed) and perhaps the best power of the selection for a DPS cruiser - Directed Energy Modulation 3. Though this one power can easily be made up for with the potential builds from the two universal slots. If two universals are to much they could drop the Lieutenant one and fix it to something.
Okay that rant over. Once again, the visuals on this new sovy are sub-par, way sub-par. I enjoy the type 6 material, but this ship went from being stream lined and elegant, to a box with super glue holding every thing together and plucked chicken wings hanging off its rear end.
Assuming it's account-wide unlock, and has good stats with a decent tac boost, and the price isn't insane, this thing's already sold over here.
In terms of people nay-saying the ship's design, personally I think that it can be made serviceable. It's not quite obvious how to do this just looking at it, though. I played with the Ody for quite a while before I came up with something I liked. The main thing to do in my experience is start by changing the hull color. The bright white, while looking pretty cool, makes very sharp contrasts that may be visually jarring, especially when used with most of the patterns. While I am not a graphic design expert (and can barely manage to draw smiley faces), I think that the Type 6 coloration is a double-edged sword.
For those who may care, I use no pattern with a smooth grey (I think it's Type 2) on my Odyssey. It's a bit plain, but it's easier on the eyes, and frankly reminds me of the Galaxy class quite a bit. If anyone bothers to try this combo, leave it on the ship for a few days, and, at least if your experience is like mine, while you may have your doubts, it may well grow on you if you give it a chance.
I think what thenaphl try to say with "Can we get one Klingon ship? Just one? Please?" was: Can we (KDF) get a new cstore ship? Because we dont want a overpriced(20 euro and no chance for discount) , -warmed up, -charunlock -no specialconsole Ship.
The Sovereign Class we have is the FC skin, how about releasing a costume pack with the Nemesis and Post Nemesis skins in it. Oh and the Imperial, which isn't there anymore.
I love the Regent Class style, It's so... nice. Shame I fly escorts:(
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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Lemme guess ...2500zp for every toon because thats how things work now :rolleyes:
If this realy happens, i will get a new ship all 5 month.
Thats the Lifetimerway!
After the KDF Fleetship disaster i dont wanna spend real money for chars unlock again.
From some angles it looks pretty cool, others, I'm not such a fan, but you can't please everyone. And the Sovereign is one of those designs where almost any deviation from the original is to it's detriment, like a Jaguar E-type Mk I compared to the II or III. The important thing here I think is to give new options visually, not rehash the old ones, and Jamjamz has done that.
If it comes with better stats/abilities than the standard version (to make it a worthy End-game ship) then I will get one and use the standard Sovereign skin on it (or a Nemesis Sorveign skin with more armament).
Just don't nerf the thing and make it another flying whale.
p.s. a good special console would be a 270 or 360 quantum torpedo launcher, which will allow the user to fire flank shots (this will simulate the rotating quantum torpedo turret on the Nemesis version)
The Venture, Sao Paulo, Thunderchild & Odyssey are some of the best ships to come out of STO. Even if you are not a fan of the individual designs you can't deny that they look polished, and as such they demand respect. Compared to them the Regent looks slightly underwhelming. The lack of texture detail makes the ship look a little plain, even sparse in a few areas.
There's also serious lack of detail in the deflector area witch is probably the worst aspect of the ship. If any one area needs work it's definitely the deflector. It's one of the key focal areas on any Fed ship, and it can make or break a design. As it stands, the deflector on the Regent is flat & lifeless compared to the relative smooth & free flowing nature of the rest of the ship.
It's not bad, and given the look of the ship it will give the Assault class cruisers some much need kit-bash options, but it could certainly be polished up a little more.
Hope that stats will be the one we want, or hopefully they give us the one we want and the one from tribble and we can choose which one. The beautiful thing about the sovy is that is have a great balance of tac and tanking. So hopefully they bump up the tac a little without loosing its tanking ability. Also I do agree we also need more science ships. The funny thing is in STO timeline diary it says the E had a major refit done in 2385/86 adding more science to the ship so was thinking maybe increase the level of the science boff and maybe sacrifice it it of its hull? Can't wait to see the stats and this special console to. Hopfully it will the one we want, Rapid fire Quantum torpedo launcher with the ability to fire 180 degrees and can choose, switch between High yield and Torpedo Spread.
Hope that stats will be the one we want, or hopefully they give us the one we want and the one from tribble and we can choose which one. The beautiful thing about the sovy is that is have a great balance of tac and tanking. So hopefully they bump up the tac a little without loosing its tanking ability. Also I do agree we also need more science ships. The funny thing is in STO timeline diary it says the E had a major refit done in 2385/86 adding more science to the ship so was thinking maybe increase the level of the science boff and maybe sacrifice it it of its hull? Can't wait to see the stats and this special console to. Hopfully it will the one we want, Rapid fire Quantum torpedo launcher with the ability to fire 180 degrees and can choose, switch between High yield and Torpedo Spread.
Don't be so sure on that torp console. Remember that Armitage got a torpedo point-defense console. They might consider it too similar.
I believe I speak for every Soveriegn fan here when I say "GIMME, GIMME, GIMME!":cool::P
lol
Now, just promise me this won't be another 2000 Zen ship, please? 1800 Zen is more than enough if it's gonna be a VA retro (though I see it as a RA refit, in which case I'd hope to see it at 1600)
Seriously, I'll let you get away with the Armitage as that has 1 console and can launch fighters, but 2000 is still a bit steep.
But, I'll reserve judgement on the ship's pricing until we see her stats.
It's too early to tell definitively from two images, but I'm not sure I'm crazy about the forward swept nacelle pylons on a sovereign. I don't suppose there's any chance you (JamJamz) have made a pair that's swept back, at some point during the design process, that could be included as a personal choice? (I know there's always the original sovereign's bits and pieces, but I expect those won't be Type-6 compatible, simply because that's how it's been with every refit so far.)
It's too early to tell definitively from two images, but I'm not sure I'm crazy about the forward swept nacelle pylons on a sovereign. I don't suppose there's any chance you (JamJamz) have made a pair that's swept back, at some point during the design process, that could be included as a personal choice? (I know there's always the original sovereign's bits and pieces, but I expect those won't be Type-6 compatible, simply because that's how it's been with every refit so far.)
lol I was just thinking about this planning to post this idea while I was having launch, I 100% agree with you, JamzJamz I hope you have made another pair of nacelle pylons which are swept back, I know you guys have mentioned on here and on twitter that we can switch for other parts but can we have a swept back pair which has the Type 6/25thcentury/2409 style please.
Will there be a fleet version at Tear 6 of the base?
The will be both a c-store version and a fleet version. From what they have defined what is a refit ship and a retrofit I think the c-store version will be a Refit and the fleet version a Retrofit.
I still wonder how Cryptic's gonna pull this off...
I mean, we already have the Odyssey in three variants that's basically a top tier Federation Cruiser, with universal boff slots and 10 console slots, sold for as much as 2500 Zen each or 5000 in a bundle.
Now, if this new Regent class is going to be sold for the same price (like the Armitage or Atrox are), and it will still have only 9 console slots, because of the unlockable Fleet version later on... then why would anyone want this one and not the Odyssey, aside from the looks?
Hell, why would anyone purchase any new 2500 Zen C-Store ship now if he or she will have to get an upgraded Fleet variant (for additional 500 Zen) later on anyway? Because of some unique console, perhaps? Even so, you'll still have to wait a LONG time before any fleet builds Tier 5 shipyard (where the Fleet Regent will probably be). So why wait when you can get the superior Oddy almost immediately?
I honestly believe these Fleet ships are currently a mess, especially in contrast with C-Store ships. I just feel ripped off, and the Atrox Carrier is the best example of this. I paid full 2000 CP (now 2500 Zen) for this ship only to realise some time later that there will be no Fleet Atrox "because it looks bad with the fleet skin". And then the Tholian Recluse appeared, which made it even worse, as its parameters and capabilities are way better than 2500 Zen C-Store ship that doesn't even have any unique console, aside from the fighters that cannot be used on any other carrier... So yeah, 2500 Zen wasted for something I won't even use anymore. And I believe the same can be said for the Dreadnought or the Guramba, both w-o a Fleet variant, yet still priced at 2500 Zen. At least with MVAE you get the console, while the D'Kyr or the Excelsior etc. are a bit cheaper.
So, dear Cryptic, either adjust the prices of all the C-Store ships, or make ALL of them available in Fleet versions. Yeah, I know - ugly fleet skin this, integrated ability that - sure, whatever, but the way it is now you're just ripping people off and making their purchases not worth anything, with the introduction of new, way better endgame fleet ships, for even more money. And honestly, this is not a good way to keep the community p(l)aying.
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In other words, it's on it's way, based on priority. Thinking this ship is slowing down/replacing content work is not logical.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Yet we get flooded with Pay content and not much else (sure a few new missions every 6 months or so when a new "Season" comes out)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Another "Im gonna defend cryptic no matter what" post.
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also i always thought it was too militaristic looking. but the refit..yay very nice sleek 2409 design. props to JamJamz i like it. nice work
my only "but" is, that it looks a lot like a vesta with forward swept pylons. but i am curious how the vesta will turn out ingame
I wanted a Sovy refit, not a Sao Pallo, Venture, Arimitage, Oddyssey, MVAV kit bash hybrid. These ships are freaking expensive as it is. Face it, the skin is ugly, now all it comes down to is if the consul is useful and the stats are better suited to be an assault cruiser. Currently the Oddy does a very good job of replacing the original sovy in every aspect except for the 1 degree turn difference. Now all it comes down to is stats at this point.
When it comes to cruisers, I use the Excelsior. It doesn't come with a consul, and its unique ability has been made obsolete as Starbases allow you to get around sector space with transwarps, and the ability to just pay for a tranwarp to another sector as a short cut. Except for the gambling ships out there, it is the most escort like cruiser in the game. Best dealing DPS, and most maneuverable. With one RCS console (as that is all that is needed) gets you up to about 15 turn rate. And hull points to keep your DPS gimped rear end alive. While still giving you the ability to support a team of players. If I am not doing that, I'm in a Patrol escort. Survivability but still in a DPS machine. I have always been a cruiser captain, but had to move to escorts that had survivability so I could pretend to be a tank while dealing some needed DPS in the STFs. As those are time gated and DPS is what really matters for the optional. I have 7 characters in this game, and 4 of them are engineers. Two in oddys, one set up for DPS and the other set up for tanking. A Engineer built for a patrol escort, and then an engineer built for an Excelsior. Right now as it stands, the Oddy is the best tanking ship FED side. If built correctly can do some good DPS, or do both. It is going to be very hard for a refit sovy to outperform a Oddy. A 1 degree turn rate doesn't make up for all the other stats it has to compete with from the oddy.
I would be happy with a BOFF lay out of:
T3
E3
U3
U2
S1
U= Universal, T= Tactical, E= Engineering, S= Science.
1= Ensign, 2= Lieutenant, 3= Lt Commander, 4= Commander
That is right, no commander slot. Some people will argue that is a large sacrifice, not really for a cruiser. You are giving up Aceton Beam 3 (which is used rarely), Reverse Shield Polarity 3 (oh **** button that lasts slightly longer then a level 1 version, that is it), Eject Warp Plasma 3 (its own uses but wont be missed) and perhaps the best power of the selection for a DPS cruiser - Directed Energy Modulation 3. Though this one power can easily be made up for with the potential builds from the two universal slots. If two universals are to much they could drop the Lieutenant one and fix it to something.
Okay that rant over. Once again, the visuals on this new sovy are sub-par, way sub-par. I enjoy the type 6 material, but this ship went from being stream lined and elegant, to a box with super glue holding every thing together and plucked chicken wings hanging off its rear end.
In terms of people nay-saying the ship's design, personally I think that it can be made serviceable. It's not quite obvious how to do this just looking at it, though. I played with the Ody for quite a while before I came up with something I liked. The main thing to do in my experience is start by changing the hull color. The bright white, while looking pretty cool, makes very sharp contrasts that may be visually jarring, especially when used with most of the patterns. While I am not a graphic design expert (and can barely manage to draw smiley faces), I think that the Type 6 coloration is a double-edged sword.
For those who may care, I use no pattern with a smooth grey (I think it's Type 2) on my Odyssey. It's a bit plain, but it's easier on the eyes, and frankly reminds me of the Galaxy class quite a bit. If anyone bothers to try this combo, leave it on the ship for a few days, and, at least if your experience is like mine, while you may have your doubts, it may well grow on you if you give it a chance.
I think what thenaphl try to say with "Can we get one Klingon ship? Just one? Please?" was: Can we (KDF) get a new cstore ship? Because we dont want a overpriced(20 euro and no chance for discount) , -warmed up, -charunlock -no specialconsole Ship.
I love the Regent Class style, It's so... nice. Shame I fly escorts:(
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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If this realy happens, i will get a new ship all 5 month.
Thats the Lifetimerway!
After the KDF Fleetship disaster i dont wanna spend real money for chars unlock again.
Just don't nerf the thing and make it another flying whale.
p.s. a good special console would be a 270 or 360 quantum torpedo launcher, which will allow the user to fire flank shots (this will simulate the rotating quantum torpedo turret on the Nemesis version)
There's also serious lack of detail in the deflector area witch is probably the worst aspect of the ship. If any one area needs work it's definitely the deflector. It's one of the key focal areas on any Fed ship, and it can make or break a design. As it stands, the deflector on the Regent is flat & lifeless compared to the relative smooth & free flowing nature of the rest of the ship.
It's not bad, and given the look of the ship it will give the Assault class cruisers some much need kit-bash options, but it could certainly be polished up a little more.
Don't be so sure on that torp console. Remember that Armitage got a torpedo point-defense console. They might consider it too similar.
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I forsee an absolutely epic whinefest from PvP'ers if it is this.
well it makes sense for the new sovy to have this. if the other endgame ships have had a new special console why not this ship.
lol
Now, just promise me this won't be another 2000 Zen ship, please? 1800 Zen is more than enough if it's gonna be a VA retro (though I see it as a RA refit, in which case I'd hope to see it at 1600)
Seriously, I'll let you get away with the Armitage as that has 1 console and can launch fighters, but 2000 is still a bit steep.
But, I'll reserve judgement on the ship's pricing until we see her stats.
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lol I was just thinking about this planning to post this idea while I was having launch, I 100% agree with you, JamzJamz I hope you have made another pair of nacelle pylons which are swept back, I know you guys have mentioned on here and on twitter that we can switch for other parts but can we have a swept back pair which has the Type 6/25thcentury/2409 style please.
The will be both a c-store version and a fleet version. From what they have defined what is a refit ship and a retrofit I think the c-store version will be a Refit and the fleet version a Retrofit.
http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=621601
According to the above post that some ships may have 3 varints
Refit better than original but at same type and has a new ship costume
Retrofit better than original but at higher tier
and then theres the Fleet ships which says will have the best stats, are endgame ships, higher hull, higher shields and a 5th console slot.
I mean, we already have the Odyssey in three variants that's basically a top tier Federation Cruiser, with universal boff slots and 10 console slots, sold for as much as 2500 Zen each or 5000 in a bundle.
Now, if this new Regent class is going to be sold for the same price (like the Armitage or Atrox are), and it will still have only 9 console slots, because of the unlockable Fleet version later on... then why would anyone want this one and not the Odyssey, aside from the looks?
Hell, why would anyone purchase any new 2500 Zen C-Store ship now if he or she will have to get an upgraded Fleet variant (for additional 500 Zen) later on anyway? Because of some unique console, perhaps? Even so, you'll still have to wait a LONG time before any fleet builds Tier 5 shipyard (where the Fleet Regent will probably be). So why wait when you can get the superior Oddy almost immediately?
I honestly believe these Fleet ships are currently a mess, especially in contrast with C-Store ships. I just feel ripped off, and the Atrox Carrier is the best example of this. I paid full 2000 CP (now 2500 Zen) for this ship only to realise some time later that there will be no Fleet Atrox "because it looks bad with the fleet skin". And then the Tholian Recluse appeared, which made it even worse, as its parameters and capabilities are way better than 2500 Zen C-Store ship that doesn't even have any unique console, aside from the fighters that cannot be used on any other carrier... So yeah, 2500 Zen wasted for something I won't even use anymore. And I believe the same can be said for the Dreadnought or the Guramba, both w-o a Fleet variant, yet still priced at 2500 Zen. At least with MVAE you get the console, while the D'Kyr or the Excelsior etc. are a bit cheaper.
So, dear Cryptic, either adjust the prices of all the C-Store ships, or make ALL of them available in Fleet versions. Yeah, I know - ugly fleet skin this, integrated ability that - sure, whatever, but the way it is now you're just ripping people off and making their purchases not worth anything, with the introduction of new, way better endgame fleet ships, for even more money. And honestly, this is not a good way to keep the community p(l)aying.
Very unispiring and those forward Pylons yuck, also the Hull from the back/top looks bleh too.
Just saying.