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malienwolf
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At first, I thought Starbases were the most amazing thing ever. However, I've come to realize a pocket of the community just can't handle this feature. What I'm about to describe is from my experiences and may not necessarily be the same for everyone, or anyone else. However, I think it's something that should be stated none the less.
Quite simply, I'm watching people fight over who gets to contribute. Let's say a project requires Fleet Marks, Shield Generators, Tactical DOff's, Dilithium and Expertise. Fleet Marks requires a person to 'grind' for them, i.e. participate in fleet events. This is a good thing, as one individual is not likely to donate the full amount in an instant. Shield Generators are easy to replicate, but reward very little fleet credits. Not many people are going to focus on this, but the problem isn't completing it since it's as easy as it is. The DOff's can be expensive, especially right now when everyone is buying them up for their starbases. Further, DOff's reward very few fleet credits, making the reward sub-standard at best. Dilithium and Expertise however, is likely to be capped out as soon as the project comes up. Almost everyone I know has an over abundance of Expertise, and members of fleets are starting to fight over who gets to contribute how much. The leader board is causing so much competition, I'm watching certain fleets completely break apart.
Does anyone else see these issues? Should we request that the leader board be removed to cease competition? Should there be a cap on how much any one individual can donate? Personally, I have no suggestions here. I only see the problem, but I find it to be an important one.
Post your thoughts. They are appreciated.
Quite simply, I'm watching people fight over who gets to contribute. Let's say a project requires Fleet Marks, Shield Generators, Tactical DOff's, Dilithium and Expertise. Fleet Marks requires a person to 'grind' for them, i.e. participate in fleet events. This is a good thing, as one individual is not likely to donate the full amount in an instant. Shield Generators are easy to replicate, but reward very little fleet credits. Not many people are going to focus on this, but the problem isn't completing it since it's as easy as it is. The DOff's can be expensive, especially right now when everyone is buying them up for their starbases. Further, DOff's reward very few fleet credits, making the reward sub-standard at best. Dilithium and Expertise however, is likely to be capped out as soon as the project comes up. Almost everyone I know has an over abundance of Expertise, and members of fleets are starting to fight over who gets to contribute how much. The leader board is causing so much competition, I'm watching certain fleets completely break apart.
Does anyone else see these issues? Should we request that the leader board be removed to cease competition? Should there be a cap on how much any one individual can donate? Personally, I have no suggestions here. I only see the problem, but I find it to be an important one.
Post your thoughts. They are appreciated.
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i'm impressed at just how much they have. i on the other hand have very little. i could not even put a dent into any of the categories that you can contribute, so i am very happy to be teamed up with these guys.
i also think that some of the requirements for base items later are very large amounts. i figure by then i might have something to contribute and i figure the big boys will eventually run out of surplus and open the door for players like me to contribute what little they have.
maybe i am just lucky and belong to a fleet where we each do what we can for the common good and don't waste time bickering over who contributed what. i get the feel in my fleet we are just eager to have a great base regardless of who is contributing.
I don't think we'll see a normalization until the excess resources have been drained, which hopefully the economy of the game will pick up even moreso than it has.
Of course. This issue is by no means hitting every single fleet out there. There are ones that play nice with each other and have fun. Others however... not so much. Either way, there still seems to be a number of fleets running into problems. Perhaps the requirements inflate later, but that's not helping those dealing with the issues now.
The only solution I can think of would be to cap contributions by fleet member population. Example being, in a fleet with 400 people, stop one person from completely clearing out a project. Maybe limit them to 20%, or lower. In a fleet with only say, 40 people, would not have such a restriction. Still, I'm sure people would complain about this. I'm at a loss on how the community should deal with this, whether this issue is in small pockets or larger ones.
Some will require 36k dilithium, some will require 60 shield distribution doffs and 60 armoury doffs on a daily basis (both reward just 500 military fxp). Then there's the tier II upgrade projects that require 1800 fleet marks. That's just tier II, lord knows what the requirements will be for tier III.
So don't worry, the biggest contributers will quickly run out of enthusiasm and probably give up, allowing others to have the mind-numbing task of grinding to meet the requirements.
No no, the biggest worry is if anyone will give a damn in a month or so.
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The dev that created the system said the top tier requirement was 1.2 million dilithium, if I recall correctly.
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This is an excellent question.
The provisioning stuff, whenever someone asks about it, is INTENDED to be solved by "fleet politics," if I remember the devs right. I'm pretty sure that some of what we're seeing is intentional.
I don't know - I'm pretty poor in terms of EC. I just coughed up half my budget just to get two purple Conn DOffs with tac team cooldown shortening, and I would be very uneager to give them up, as well as the other purple DOffs I've been accumulating. I'd rather not sacrifice half my crew for this, and I'm not going to pad out my roster slots to eternity so I can hang on to fifty of every type of DOff. And considering the only way to get exactly what you want, aside from special DOffs (e.g. in exploration clusters) is the Exchange... well.
Considering the sheer level of grind and the actual cash you have to shell out to get any of the fleet ships, I can feel myself petering out pretty quickly, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if a lot of others end up in the same boat.
It'd be a hoot in a sick sort of way if it turned out that only the single-player fleets ended up with T5's in a year and a half or so.
So grow up. It means your fleet is going to have a better starbase, that much faster. Quit whining and pitch in whenever you can.
And if that still doesn't work for you, find yourself a new fleet where they're needing players to contribute.
edit: either that or scale up the amount of "desired fodder" donation needed to match the amount of time it takes to get the marks
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The solution is to scale the contribution requirements based on fleet numbers. That will give the larger fleets a larger amount to contribute, hence less fighting, and give the smaller fleets less to contribute, hence making them semi-competitive again.
If you want to get the best gear, the only choice you have is to join a fleet. You are technically forced into playing within a fleet dynamic, so you can get the most powerful ships and equipment. Since I have hit the end of the main game, the only other choice I have is to walk away.
Do you really want to grind for months and years? I do not have that luxury. I have so much real life stuff to do. As I ponder about reaching tier five, while knowing there is no new content for casual and single players, I am most likely going to be gone sooner than later. Why do I want to play a game in which I cannot independently obtain the high level gear and ships? *shrugs* I like to control my own destiny.
Even though I bought a few c-store (zen store) ships, I don't see the logic in invest in any more new ships. Regardless about what they have in the pipeline, the next set of c-store ships will be of an inferior quality. All the good quality stuff will remain in the fleet stores.
Maybe it is time to take my money elsewhere? I don't know.
Cryptic/Perfect World has to convince me that they give a damn.
I'm expecting 2 years to get to T4, but then I have two non-single player fleets I'm contributing to as well. I also have no plans to build a shipyard on my singleplayer fleet fleet base.
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Yeah, those projects only add 5 XP to Science, Engie, and Tac, but they're there to help you build up your fleet's credits easily. And when they're filled, there's a 30 minute turn around before you can slot another one.
I don't have any complaints myself about the system, then again, right now, most of the big station upgrades for the fleet I'm in are taking place when I'm asleep, so I just worry about adding my points when I can, and working on grinding out more dilithium and fleet marks when I have time. Fleet marks are gunna be your major source of fleet cred income, for your average person, as long as those secondary missions get slotted.
They're also the major bottleneck for smaller fleets. At least for me.
Everything else is filled up except for those.
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Of course it's the bottleneck. But it also means there's opportunity in trading them in for Fleet Cred. Yeah, some of the other items fill in quick, but if people get used to the fact Fleet Marks are gunna be your best bet of income, maybe more folks will grind them out. I've made 200+ in less than an hour just by running around the Green and Yellow sections of Nukara during the fleet event hours.
I can only imagine how much slower going it will become for us when the requirements increase.
These Starbase projects might be appropriate for all fleets, but it favors the large fleets who have a revolving door of members to contribute to the projects and can reach the top tier goals as fast as the research can be que'd up.
I am not trying to be an TRIBBLE here, but we can care less about who is top of the leaderboard because I am going to kick them all when its done!!!
No , seriously, we are freinds , playing a game, trying to earn our base, I feel badly for those that are wrapped up so tightly they need to conflict on such a small issue.
Nobody is sitting on piles of those, so there should be some opportunities to contribute them.
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This way, people fight to get over 50k, not getting first on the leaderboard. Plus they feel they are getting rewarded for helping out the fleet, instead of just grinding for fleet marks with very little to show.
I have some hardcore fleet mark grinders in the fleet (one guy hangs around for two fleet mark events, while still grinding in the middle, he's up at 1AM grinding still), so I am happy to reward them.
Just my 20 cents of how I deal with the issue.
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i finally got to contribute last night because it has slowed down some and i can see why. the donations go very fast. i wiped out my inventory in seconds. i am out of doffs, fleet marks and various other items.
it will take me days or weeks before i have anything significant to contribute again.
I thought about doing something similar but like pay out for every 10k in fleet credits. Say like a master key since at the time, I had a couple hundred of them.
Gotta get people in first though. And not having a method of tracking who does what hurts that as well. All you can go by is the leaderboard and keeping notes. First person to complain or say that you missed them and you;re going to have problems.