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20 bucks now buys 1600 cryptic points not 2000. PWE is NOT getting a membership from me. I was considering it till this point.
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$1 = 80 CP
80 Zen = 100 CP
2000 Zen = 1600 CP = $20
You loose nothing in the conversion
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Brandon =/\=
Let's say you wanted to buy 2000 C-store points. With the old C-store, it was a simple click of the $25 button.
With Zen, in order to get 2000 C-store points, you have to buy 2000 Zen ($20, which converts to 1600 C-store) and another 500 Zen ($5, which converts to 400 C-store).
So there you go, same ammount for the same cost.
C-Points were sold at 80 C-Points for $1.
Zen sells for 100 Zen for $1.
C-Points convert to Zen (and vice-versa) at 80 C-Points for 100 Zen.
That means that $1 = $1.
Thus, $20 = 2000 Zen, 2000 Zen = 1600 C-Points, and you get 1600 C-Points for $20.
Thus, something that cost you $20 before will cost you $20 after the Zen conversion, it will just look like the price changed because it will list for 2000 Zen instead of 1600 C-Points.
People keep complaining about this, and it is always the same answer, proving once again that 5 out of 4 people have problems with ratios.
Dec/2008
For the record, 3 out of 4 accounts have been merged since day 1 of the merger back in December. I have NEVER EVER lost any Real World Currency / C Points / Zen from this. Anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't understand the simple math that Brandon displayed above.
Bottom line is that $1 US gets you the $1 C Point/Zen worth of product.
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When does the customer get a break? We are forced to convert fo a new currency, but we do not get the benefit of the of the conversion? Once again inconvenience the customer and do not give them any benefit or incentive to this forced move that no one wants......
Now we have to load zen onto our account......more inconvenience passed on to the customer without any incentive?
As a customer loyalty bonus we should get the conversion benefit as customer loyalty bonus for the nightmare that the sto community has had to endure with no warning and sub standard forums and business practices that have taken place where the rug has been pulled out from under us.
The forums need to be corrected to show our account name and original join date
Maybe pwe has never heard of take care of the customer? Or they will be out business......
Poor treatment of customers and a lack of ethics, bait and switch type business practices turns into complaints to the attorney generals office in which fines and damages are levied, and denial of operating privileges occur. Something to think about. A consumer only has to show the intent to defraud by the preponderance of the evidence, and pwe is making a great case for the community.
So the moral of the story is do right by you customers, do not be the idiots that makes case law for being to short sided to communicate and compensate your customer for mis management of their accounts without giving people who have made a payment for a service that they resonably thought the quality would not decline or be inconvenienced by any poor planned transition
This has been a public service message from the common sense fairy
Thank you
What hidden benefit are you missing? It is already just Zen on tribble, the conversion thing is temporary, just deal with it or wait. It will be one thing to purchase without a conversion again soon enough.
Dec/2008
"Your Honor, I'm suing because they are giving me the exact same amount of game currency I bought in the past, but I have to buy a different type of currency first that has the exact same real world monetary value first and then convert it to the old currency that still has the exact same value it did before. And your Honor, I only have to do this for a limited time because they are removing the old currency in a short while." "Yes, I'm serious your Honor." "No I haven't had it examined." ........ is pretty much how I'd see a case like that going...
Dec/2008
Another example of someone who doesn't do the math, then looks like an idiot on the forum.
:rolleyes: I see what you did there
And to further the later point about "bonus" for moving to zen - if you buy in bulk you get free zen. something that you didnt get in the cpoint days. 5000 zen ($50) gets you a free 300 zen ($3) for doing nothing different. Also PWE has regular zen sales where you can get an extra 15% zen for free. This would give you an extra 750 zen ($7.50) giving you a total of $10.50 free zen when you spend $50 at the right time. Now tell me free money isn't an incentive?
oh and wether you purchased cpoints directly from cryptic or converted zen to cpoints via PWE. $1 = $1. $1 at cryptic got you 80cpoints. $1 at PW got you 100zen which converted to 80cpoints when transferred to STO. In fact PW gave you more because as stated above you got extra free zen when buying bulk (even outside sales) so while $50 would have got you 4000cpoints from cryptic, PW gave you 4240cpoints for the same purchase
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No, you didn't. Other way around, actually, since at times PWE had bulk discounts on Zen which Cryptic has never offered, and sales on Zen which Cryptic has only offered a very few times and not recently (Cryptic sales instead giving reduced item prices instead of reduced point prices/bonus points).
It's hard to tell now since the forum merger wiped out everyone's original join dates, but before the merger, most of them were people who didn't have Cryptic accounts - they only had PWE accounts and weren't aware that STO/CO use a different point scale than other PWE games.
There were a couple notable exceptions, who were good enough to show all their math and disprove their own QQ, yet still soldiered on with that post button, bless their hearts.
/me puts on some sex panther.
This is completely and utterly wrong. The people QQing are the ones who can't do math.
It has ALWAYS been $25 for 2000 C-Points, starting September 2009.
"I've been presiding over consumer fraud cases for over 90 years and never have I seen such a blatant disregard for the sanctity of electronic game currency purchases as foul as this monstrosity called a Zen purchasing scheme.
How dare they charge you the exact same amount of game currency you bought in the past and now forcing you to buy a different current first that has the exact real world monetary value first and then have to convert it to the old currency that still has the exact same value it did before.
Time to throw the book at these heretics. PWE, you are fined every last cent you have and your first born child. The fined amounts will be used to create a super version of the old Cryptic forums. But now with triple the amounts of freedom and democracy! And electrolytes!"
My post on PWE's Zen. Shows clearly ur not losing any money. at all.
2) You get 100 Zen for $1.00 USD. Pretty easy to see the real cost of an item (thus, that 2000 CP Armitage or Atrox Carrier is actually $25) -- also, the Cryptic Store is being converted over to zen in Season 6 so all prices (and stipends) will be in that currency.
3) You get bonus zen when buying large amounts (Cryptic Points didn't have bulk discounts)
4) For those that want to play STO without ever giving Perfect World one cent, there are many offers that allow you to get free zen.
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Perfect World sells zen in $5, $10, $20, $30, and $50 increments.
Previously, Cryptic only sold C-Points in $6.25, $12.50, $18.75, $25, and $62.50 increments.
The ship costs $25...
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Awww man, and here I was hoping Cryptic would forget the conversion when they went from C to Z.... 2000 Cps for Oddy -> 2000 Zen for Oddy.