Also please do something with the IKS kaarg sitting up the top of klingon space.
A mission to find and track down undine infiltrators in klingon territory would be cool. Perhaps you have to stop a plot to assassinate the chancellor before he is replaced by an undine.
I enjoyed the mission with the rival klingon house who was being helped by the romulans. Anything to do with rival houses and romulan skulduggery is good in my books.
Anything to do with an uprising by the gorn, nausicaans etc, that has to be crushed would also add some flavour to the klingon political story.
I'd really like to see missions from the perspective of the other KDF species. What do the Letheans do when they aren't playing pattycake with Klingons? How about the Orion Syndicate, surely they have things they want to get done? And the Gorn Hegemony, now that it has been cleansed of Undine, how is rebuilding going, and what about their own goals?
Everyone may be KDF, but everyone still has their own goals and I'd really like to see that fleshed out and explained. It is a very Klingon centric experience right now, and while that makes sense to a degree, it is still jarring for a Nausicaan BO to be lecturing my Orion captain about Klingon honor.
The KDF alliance isn't anything approaching the Federation as far as assimilation of core values and ethics and the like, and that is certainly much harder to flesh out properly, but it also gives far better and more interesting opportunities for stories.
What I'd most like to see is more house vs house missions, let us rise in rank in a house. Even it there's no new system at least then we could get the accolades.
I'd also love to see something vs the Rom's, like say some sort of punitive raid into Romulan space as payment for taking part in the assassination of the people from house Mortok. (sp?)
Missions about the other races might be nice... But they'd have to be done in some way that makes them playable by klingons as well. The Empire only has a small % of the playerbase as is. People playing a race other then Klingon would be even smaller, so anything done for Orions or Gorn, couldn't exclude Klingons from it.
I would like to see a few recurring characters used in the missions. Villains and Allies alike.
Darren mentions the idea of going "targ hunting". That might actually be a way to introduce a "fatherly figure" for the character. An older Klingon leading a small house that is carving out its place in the Empire and the Alpha Quadrant. It might be a nice lower tier mission, possibly even serve as inspiration for a Klingon Tutorial.
It would be nice if the KDF mission would give a feeling that you don't just get a new level and a new rank, but you actually get some influence between the house.
With such honor nd influence come new responsibilities - solving a house dispute between two major houses, fulfilling an official function for the Empire.
I definitely think the KDF needs a Romulan storyline, dealing with Romulan spies, forays into the Romulan territories, stopping Romulan raids and conducting raids on your own. Houses Duras and Martok in conflict about the worth of Romulans as allies.
Not everyone is into honor and the glory of the Empire...
To be honest I never understood why they put the Orions, Gorn and the rest in the Empire in the first place.
Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn at least never stuck me as being a honorable warrior races they might be on the violent slide, or pirates or something... But they never seemed to be a good match as members of the Klingon Empire, which always struck me as being somewhat xenophobic.
To be honest I never understood why they put the Orions, Gorn and the rest in the Empire in the first place.
Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn at least never stuck me as being a honorable warrior races they might be on the violent slide, or pirates or something... But they never seemed to be a good match as members of the Klingon Empire, which always struck me as being somewhat xenophobic.
Overall I agree with you.
I could understand if the Gorn, Naussicans, and Letheans were all subjugated and subservient to the Klingons in the Empire since they're all conquered, but not treating them as equals. The Orions are a little different since they are allies of the Empire and we'll be getting a ship of theirs soon (and hopefully more to come soon), but still..
To be honest I never understood why they put the Orions, Gorn and the rest in the Empire in the first place.
Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn at least never stuck me as being a honorable warrior races they might be on the violent slide, or pirates or something... But they never seemed to be a good match as members of the Klingon Empire, which always struck me as being somewhat xenophobic.
I could understand if the Gorn, Naussicans, and Letheans were all subjugated and subservient to the Klingons in the Empire since they're all conquered, but not treating them as equals. The Orions are a little different since they are allies of the Empire and we'll be getting a ship of theirs soon (and hopefully more to come soon), but still..
However, I work with what we got :cool:
I think the original thought was probably that the Klingons would get a larger player base with more species to choose from, but when you factor in that we launched without any content (including ships or uniform pieces) that were specific to these other species it didn't really help.
As I said, it would appear that the status of these species is not exactly jeghpu'wI' (conquered people), but it is hard to imagine them as accepted as equals.
Now the inclusion of the Children of San-Tarah would actually help this problem as the Klingons who encountered them by and large had a great deal of respect for them as worthy warriors, if they had been added at launched it might have shown a new willingness from the Klingons to bring in those they deemed at least equals in martial skill.
"Equal treatment" is simply one of the usual sacrifices the majority of computer games make...
Orions and Nausicaans can be explained away as allies (not really a part of the KDF but subject to its chain of command), but I try to see the conquered Gorn as conscripts.
I have been kicking around an idea for a UGC series of missions that I will post here as well.
The premise is to test/explore the concept of honor as applied to Klingon warriors. The missions would span over several lRank levels.
In the first missiion you would be on a routine patrol and be attacked by some as yet unknown entity. Overwhelmed and nearly defeated you would have to send out a distress call. Unbelievably a Federation ship responds and help destroy the enemies. It warps out at the end of the fight without a word. The mission goes on with you raiding the base from whence your enemy came (this really is just filler). Aftewards you intercept a distress signal from the ship that saved you. You will be told there are no other federation ships near and you are the closest ship of any kind. Do you go to theri assistance or not? This will open up dialogue discussions with your crew about Honor and if you should aid them. The final choice will be yours but making the wrong one would have consequences.
This is the one I have fully fleshed out. There will several more each dealing with an encounter with the same Federation ship/captain. The series will culminate in a final confrontation between you and the Federation Captain in whihc you will face the ultimate test of honor.
I think this would be interesting as Honor is very central to the Klingon way of life.
This may have already been suggested but I don't have time to read through 8 pages of posts xP so sorry if it has.
Klingon raids. Instead of attacking, disabling, and beaming all their cargo/R&D supplies maybe the ship has it shields up and you have to lead a boarding party while your ship continues to fight theirs. You then make you way to engineering or the bridge to shut down the ship's systems so it can be captured for the Klingon empire. And maybe as a sidequest you could take a detour to the science lab and/or cargo bays and take couple prizes for your own personal use. Maybe you could have items all throughout the ship (i.e. medical supplies in sick bay, food and possibly money in the mess hall, weapons and armor in the armory, etc.).
The other option would be a raid of some sort of base with the same purposes. This base could be not only of Federation but maybe also the Romulans or Cardassians or something. It would be the same basic thing, you dock and try to take out the stations defenses and then go around and loot things. Being and actual Starbase, and those being naturally bigger than ships, it would be cool if this could be an actual raid type mission (not quite STF but harder than PvE) and would require you to have 5+ people (fleet action???).
Now I assume the raid of the ship could be a daily thing and the ship should randomly vary between factions just so it doesn't seem repetitive or grindy. The base could also change factions but that would take more work than a ship so it wouldn't necessarily have to. And then I assume the starbase raid could also be daily but with a lot better loot and better rewards.
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
I used to have a serious desire to be able to steal Federation science vessels for the KDF, but for now I'll wait and see how the newer KDF ships stack up and how available they are (I sincerely hope they're not just tier 5 or tier 6, but it may come to that).
In a mission? I could easily see you rigging the game against us, tricobalt mine field or something, where our own ship is destroyed and we have to beam over to a Federation ship, slaughter its crew, repair its systems, and fight off incoming Federation reinforcements with it, then get richly rewarded for it when we warp back to Qo'nos with its computer core and the contents thereof intact.
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
Double-check the Self Destruct.
And after that, attack the holdings of the Federation's more tenuous allies - such as the Cardassians. To sow discord and force the Federation into conflict on another front.
Admittedly, that's more a Romulan thing to do, but still...
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
Plunder it's data, and technological secrets, enslave the crew, and then display it's broken hull on the homeworld.
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If you're asking for a possible mission plot: I'd LOVE to take it deep into Federation Territory to Raid/Destrroy a vital Federation military outpost/target whose destruction/los would hinder the Federation effort against the KDF.
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
Give the Federation a taste of their own medicine. After all, "We are all just one happy fleet." And don't forget the Klingon proverb, "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
If I could get my hands on a Starfleet Ship, it would take the shortest way to ESD to see what havoc I could cause there. There's an empty brig cell on my Negh'var for Admiral Quinn.
Humm.. mi character its a Orion female, so i would sell it to the Syndicate, where i am sure the ship would get scrap and his part sell in the black market.
Or, i could convert the ship in to a Motel where i could invite friends... you knew, do it in the enemy ship... off corse, you would have to paid for that...
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At this point I'd just like to know how the Empire defines them, are they jeghpu'wI' (conquered people) or do they have a higher status in the Empire.
A mission to find and track down undine infiltrators in klingon territory would be cool. Perhaps you have to stop a plot to assassinate the chancellor before he is replaced by an undine.
I enjoyed the mission with the rival klingon house who was being helped by the romulans. Anything to do with rival houses and romulan skulduggery is good in my books.
Anything to do with an uprising by the gorn, nausicaans etc, that has to be crushed would also add some flavour to the klingon political story.
Everyone may be KDF, but everyone still has their own goals and I'd really like to see that fleshed out and explained. It is a very Klingon centric experience right now, and while that makes sense to a degree, it is still jarring for a Nausicaan BO to be lecturing my Orion captain about Klingon honor.
The KDF alliance isn't anything approaching the Federation as far as assimilation of core values and ethics and the like, and that is certainly much harder to flesh out properly, but it also gives far better and more interesting opportunities for stories.
I'd also love to see something vs the Rom's, like say some sort of punitive raid into Romulan space as payment for taking part in the assassination of the people from house Mortok. (sp?)
Missions about the other races might be nice... But they'd have to be done in some way that makes them playable by klingons as well. The Empire only has a small % of the playerbase as is. People playing a race other then Klingon would be even smaller, so anything done for Orions or Gorn, couldn't exclude Klingons from it.
*Sigh*, you're right. I just wish we could at least be addressed as members of other races. Not everyone is into honor and the glory of the Empire...
Darren mentions the idea of going "targ hunting". That might actually be a way to introduce a "fatherly figure" for the character. An older Klingon leading a small house that is carving out its place in the Empire and the Alpha Quadrant. It might be a nice lower tier mission, possibly even serve as inspiration for a Klingon Tutorial.
It would be nice if the KDF mission would give a feeling that you don't just get a new level and a new rank, but you actually get some influence between the house.
With such honor nd influence come new responsibilities - solving a house dispute between two major houses, fulfilling an official function for the Empire.
I definitely think the KDF needs a Romulan storyline, dealing with Romulan spies, forays into the Romulan territories, stopping Romulan raids and conducting raids on your own. Houses Duras and Martok in conflict about the worth of Romulans as allies.
To be honest I never understood why they put the Orions, Gorn and the rest in the Empire in the first place.
Orions, Nausicaans, and Gorn at least never stuck me as being a honorable warrior races they might be on the violent slide, or pirates or something... But they never seemed to be a good match as members of the Klingon Empire, which always struck me as being somewhat xenophobic.
Overall I agree with you.
I could understand if the Gorn, Naussicans, and Letheans were all subjugated and subservient to the Klingons in the Empire since they're all conquered, but not treating them as equals. The Orions are a little different since they are allies of the Empire and we'll be getting a ship of theirs soon (and hopefully more to come soon), but still..
However, I work with what we got :cool:
I think the original thought was probably that the Klingons would get a larger player base with more species to choose from, but when you factor in that we launched without any content (including ships or uniform pieces) that were specific to these other species it didn't really help.
As I said, it would appear that the status of these species is not exactly jeghpu'wI' (conquered people), but it is hard to imagine them as accepted as equals.
Now the inclusion of the Children of San-Tarah would actually help this problem as the Klingons who encountered them by and large had a great deal of respect for them as worthy warriors, if they had been added at launched it might have shown a new willingness from the Klingons to bring in those they deemed at least equals in martial skill.
Orions and Nausicaans can be explained away as allies (not really a part of the KDF but subject to its chain of command), but I try to see the conquered Gorn as conscripts.
The premise is to test/explore the concept of honor as applied to Klingon warriors. The missions would span over several lRank levels.
In the first missiion you would be on a routine patrol and be attacked by some as yet unknown entity. Overwhelmed and nearly defeated you would have to send out a distress call. Unbelievably a Federation ship responds and help destroy the enemies. It warps out at the end of the fight without a word. The mission goes on with you raiding the base from whence your enemy came (this really is just filler). Aftewards you intercept a distress signal from the ship that saved you. You will be told there are no other federation ships near and you are the closest ship of any kind. Do you go to theri assistance or not? This will open up dialogue discussions with your crew about Honor and if you should aid them. The final choice will be yours but making the wrong one would have consequences.
This is the one I have fully fleshed out. There will several more each dealing with an encounter with the same Federation ship/captain. The series will culminate in a final confrontation between you and the Federation Captain in whihc you will face the ultimate test of honor.
I think this would be interesting as Honor is very central to the Klingon way of life.
Klingon raids. Instead of attacking, disabling, and beaming all their cargo/R&D supplies maybe the ship has it shields up and you have to lead a boarding party while your ship continues to fight theirs. You then make you way to engineering or the bridge to shut down the ship's systems so it can be captured for the Klingon empire. And maybe as a sidequest you could take a detour to the science lab and/or cargo bays and take couple prizes for your own personal use. Maybe you could have items all throughout the ship (i.e. medical supplies in sick bay, food and possibly money in the mess hall, weapons and armor in the armory, etc.).
The other option would be a raid of some sort of base with the same purposes. This base could be not only of Federation but maybe also the Romulans or Cardassians or something. It would be the same basic thing, you dock and try to take out the stations defenses and then go around and loot things. Being and actual Starbase, and those being naturally bigger than ships, it would be cool if this could be an actual raid type mission (not quite STF but harder than PvE) and would require you to have 5+ people (fleet action???).
Now I assume the raid of the ship could be a daily thing and the ship should randomly vary between factions just so it doesn't seem repetitive or grindy. The base could also change factions but that would take more work than a ship so it wouldn't necessarily have to. And then I assume the starbase raid could also be daily but with a lot better loot and better rewards.
Just a quick question..
If you're a klingon and you managed to get your hands on a Starfleet Ship..... What would you do with it?
Gozer
Space all the tribbles that are most likely on board
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N/M. I got to this post through dev tracker, didn't read that this was a PvE thread...
I used to have a serious desire to be able to steal Federation science vessels for the KDF, but for now I'll wait and see how the newer KDF ships stack up and how available they are (I sincerely hope they're not just tier 5 or tier 6, but it may come to that).
In a mission? I could easily see you rigging the game against us, tricobalt mine field or something, where our own ship is destroyed and we have to beam over to a Federation ship, slaughter its crew, repair its systems, and fight off incoming Federation reinforcements with it, then get richly rewarded for it when we warp back to Qo'nos with its computer core and the contents thereof intact.
:-)
HMMM, how about docking it at the SOL Spacedock and then overloading its warpcore so that hideous thing finally goes where it belongs.:D
Double-check the Self Destruct.
And after that, attack the holdings of the Federation's more tenuous allies - such as the Cardassians. To sow discord and force the Federation into conflict on another front.
Admittedly, that's more a Romulan thing to do, but still...
Assure my soul gets into Sto-vo-kor via a suicide run into Earth Space dock.
Plunder it's data, and technological secrets, enslave the crew, and then display it's broken hull on the homeworld.
editied to add:
If you're asking for a possible mission plot: I'd LOVE to take it deep into Federation Territory to Raid/Destrroy a vital Federation military outpost/target whose destruction/los would hinder the Federation effort against the KDF.
Give the Federation a taste of their own medicine. After all, "We are all just one happy fleet." And don't forget the Klingon proverb, "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
-Keppoch
If I could get my hands on a Starfleet Ship, it would take the shortest way to ESD to see what havoc I could cause there. There's an empty brig cell on my Negh'var for Admiral Quinn.
Go into Federation Territory, blow up Federation ships along the way, then ram the ship into a Federation Installation before they could react.
Or, i could convert the ship in to a Motel where i could invite friends... you knew, do it in the enemy ship... off corse, you would have to paid for that...