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SystemSystem Member, NoReporting Posts: 178,019 Arc User
edited September 2010 in Klingon Discussion
well i had full faith in cryptic but after reading other comments and realising that actions do infact speak louder then words.

we have no screenshots of new ships, no real topics on uncoming content or zones for the kdf, all the patches have been 90%fed 7% neutral 3%kdf. ships have all been fed bar 1, raf ship is fed only, the promotional ships outside of raf are all fed. how much of the zones is fed only. the kdf side gets smaller and quieter every day. fleet actions become impossible unless top lvl. vet rewards are feds, formal wear is feds, ship costumes are feds. weekly episodes are neutral and go into a zone that was told to the kdf is going tobe and stay kdf only so thats now part fed too.

so where do people who bought this game for kdf go or do.

i can tell you all that i have thought of new zones, new ships, new missions, a dipo system for kdf, a system in game that equals fed crafting for kdf that doesnt make it so your on the next lvl before you have enough tokens to equal what the fed can get from crafting and missions. all they are though at the end of the day are words.

and now there seriously bouncing the idea of another playerble faction aka the romulans so why should i trust them or keep playing and paying subs.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Trust and faith, two big words that for me means alot. The "trust" i lost way back when i realized that the Klingon love patches actually wasnt. "Faith" absolutely sero, so far they keep the 1/3 ratio on adding stuff to game. We get 1 of sumthing the feds get 3 or more and better. Cant even buy anything at C-store.
    I usually find myself alone running around in Great halls and customize my toon just to have sumthing to do.
    At beginning when we all had "faith" and we were actually 11 or more online at same time in fleet, it was fun, nowadays im alone in fleet rooster and talking to myself......:eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Forget the Federation... it's Cryptic that's killing the empire :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Cant even buy anything at C-store.

    I agree with most everything you're saying. But as much as I understand how annoying it is to see the feds get all the c-store stuff, I think the KDF is better off without c-store mudflation. Having to "buy" your way to the new excelsior or nebula is really going to start to suck for the federation. Here's to hoping the new KDF ships if/when they ever get here ... aren't part of that process.

    :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    I agree with most everything you're saying. But as much as I understand how annoying it is to see the feds get all the c-store stuff, I think the KDF is better off without c-store mudflation. Having to "buy" your way to the new excelsior or nebula is really going to start to suck for the federation. Here's to hoping the new KDF ships if/when they ever get here ... aren't part of that process.

    :)

    There better not be a single Klingon ship in the C-Store until we have an equivalent amount of ships to the Federation non-cstore list or there will be hell to pay.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    This is the main STO info page for other thinking of buying, lets update it shall we

    In Star Trek Online, the Star Trek universe appears for the first time on a truly massive scale.

    In this multiplayer online game from Cryptic Studios, players can pioneer their own destiny as Captain of a Federation starship and expand to the far reaches of the galaxy. Or they can become a Klingon Warlord and play in 5 sectors and grind 12 targets or sit in pvp q's all day.

    Players will have the opportunity to visit iconic locations from the popular Star Trek fiction aslong as they play federation, reach out to unexplored star systems and make contact with new alien species with the federation. With Episode Missions, every moment spent playing Star Trek Online will feel like a new Star Trek episode in which you are the star when playing federation side.

    Immerse yourself in the future of the Trek universe as it moves into the 25th century: a time of shifting alliances and new discoveries with the federation side.

    Adventure in the Final Frontier

    Explore strange new worlds and seek out new life and new civilizations in a vast, expanding universe with the federation.

    Establish contact with new races, discover resources and uncover mysteries that will influence Star Trek's future. Set in 2409, Star Trek Online exists in a timeframe beyond even the latest movies, so everything you experience will be brand new, but still based on all the fiction you love with the federation faction.

    You are the captain

    Star Trek Online is the first AAA MMO to feature space and ground combat at launch but only really applys to the federation side.

    Missions take you and your friends into the depths of space, across exotic planets and even inside starships! As the Captain of your very own ship, it's up to you to lead your crew on missions that span a number of locations. You call the shots, no matter where you are with the federation faction.

    When you're in space, you direct the action - be it in the middle of a high-tension battle, where you can maneuver in 3-D space and fire a vast array of weaponry at your enemies, or as you enter warp to explore parts of the galaxy never before documented. Discalimer, kdf dont need this as they only have 5 sectors.

    On the ground, you lead your away team across exciting terrain, interacting with allies and battling enemies. Every Captain commands four subordinates on the ground, all of which can be directed to act in any manner you choose. Can you lead them safely through dangerous locales? as a bonus kdf get next to no missions doing this and its lucky as there is no way for kdf to find the things needed for missions unless they walk into them buy pur luck

    Total customization

    Using Cryptic’s Total Customization technology, every ship you command can be customized by you, from its color to its construction except nearly all of the kdf ships.

    Your ship will retain a Star Trek "feel," but it will also represent your style. What’s more, anyone can create their own species in Star Trek Online, meaning you can tell your own story about how you came to be in the galaxy. Leave your mark on the Star Trek universe! unless your a kdf player.

    Built by veterans with you in mind

    Star Trek Online is developed by Cryptic Studios, creators of the City of Heroes and City of Villains. It’s built on the Cryptic Engine, a core technology that means our designers can focus less on a game’s nuts and bolts and more on creating a game that captures Star Trek’s essence, guaranteeing that both longtime fans of Star Trek and people new to the universe will feel at home.

    Join us in Star Trek Online, and boldly go where no one has gone before aslong as you want to play federation faction.



    does that about sound right ?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    superchum wrote: »
    I agree with most everything you're saying. But as much as I understand how annoying it is to see the feds get all the c-store stuff, I think the KDF is better off without c-store mudflation. Having to "buy" your way to the new excelsior or nebula is really going to start to suck for the federation. Here's to hoping the new KDF ships if/when they ever get here ... aren't part of that process.

    :)

    I agree Flesh us out before you fleece my wallet plz- Cryptic.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    I agree Flesh us out before you fleece my wallet plz- Cryptic.

    i would be happy with fleshing us out before the gap gets so huge there is no need for new players to come to kdf and old players to come back to the game full stop. i seriously feel like we are being punished for wanting tobe kdf, kdf have a right to be in star trek online, giving us the option to be kdf and then just leaving us to rot is wrong.

    i dont want us to be fleshed out via c-store, i want us to be fleshed out because we deserve tobe, the kdf faction which is made up of alot of races has lots of lore behind it and zones made up by those factions yet we are stuck in the corner like a bad child and the only thing missing is the D cap for even thinking that kdf was ever a real faction worthy of going against the feds, imagin if in world of warcraft that the alliance were a pvp/pve faction with quests and and nearly all the map and the horde were locked in 5 zones and could only lvl via pvp or rinse repeat farming missions.

    the only reason there is no real huge voice on this against the feds is because most people who bought this game for kdf have left through anger and disapointment on how they are treated. and i seriously think that if it doesnt get sorted within the next few months or with season 3 there will be very little of the kdf side left and cryptic will have messed up big time and done what the federation in the histroy in star trek could never do and kill off the klingon side.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I totally agree with u guys about c-store, my point being was that we dont even have that option to buy sumthing if we would want to. Feds have all kind of fancy ships,costumes. Klings have zip,nada,nothing, oh wait! thats right, we have a pet targ and some bridges. And everytime they add sumthing for us ingame u have a wow! moment until u read next line, and federation get Ultradeluxespecialedition nebula class sumthing ship.
    You always read, things look brighter for klingons, cool stuff on its way, yeah! but if we get 1 ship nobody wants to command the feds get 3-4 variants with special stuff. How can things be equal? when everytime klingons get anything the feds gets more and better and far more cooler.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    i would be happy with fleshing us out before the gap gets so huge there is no need for new players to come to kdf and old players to come back to the game full stop. i seriously feel like we are being punished for wanting tobe kdf, kdf have a right to be in star trek online, giving us the option to be kdf and then just leaving us to rot is wrong.

    i dont want us to be fleshed out via c-store, i want us to be fleshed out because we deserve tobe, the kdf faction which is made up of alot of races has lots of lore behind it and zones made up by those factions yet we are stuck in the corner like a bad child and the only thing missing is the D cap for even thinking that kdf was ever a real faction worthy of going against the feds, imagin if in world of warcraft that the alliance were a pvp/pve faction with quests and and nearly all the map and the horde were locked in 5 zones and could only lvl via pvp or rinse repeat farming missions.

    the only reason there is no real huge voice on this against the feds is because most people who bought this game for kdf have left through anger and disapointment on how they are treated. and i seriously think that if it doesnt get sorted within the next few months or with season 3 there will be very little of the kdf side left and cryptic will have messed up big time and done what the federation in the histroy in star trek could never do and kill off the klingon side.



    I do not disagree with this post.
    I do wonder though if Cryptic new about the size of the Klingon fanbase around the world. I'm mean come on- we number more than the Storm Trooper guys you see at con's.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    i think we out number storm troopers too :P but how many who came for kdf will be jumpin onto something else.

    and ye i think there is alot bigger fanbase for kdf then alot realise, i mean seriously someone even made an official language for the klingons that is recignised around the world. qu'pla
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yes, I have lost both Faith and Trust in Cryptic, so I did the only thing a consumer can do if 9+ months of feedback is useless.

    I closed my Wallet. No more STO after the 3rd for me. The way I see it if you stay, you support EVERYTHING Cryptic does because all they look at is the bottom line. If you leave you give them the strongest feedback of all. NO MONEY !

    P.S.
    Thanks for all the Fish??? hmm ... wait that would be the carrier nvm not thankful for that.


    P.P.S.
    Thx for the BoP !

    It was fun to fly for the past 6 months.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Ironically, this thread would be best suited in the general forum, nobody ever sees it down here... sad but true.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Creovex wrote: »
    Ironically, this thread would be best suited in the general forum, nobody ever sees it down here... sad but true.

    I'll give you that.

    At this point I would have to say that continuing to discuss KDF topics in the General Forum is pertinent.

    It's also going to continually get sidetracked with flames, as that topic does seem to set some people off (I used to be one of those people, so that's experience talking).

    So to everyone that does keep pushing for more dev communication on KDF issues, just be wary of the quick trigger some moderation has shown lately. It's great to keep the discussion going. It'd suck if people who simply want to keep the discussion going fall victim to zealous moderation.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    do the devs even look in this forums, id be shocked if they did or we might have seen some action in game already.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    The last Def post on Klingon matters is long ago, so no.
    They don't look in here.

    We are second class players and customers, the Devs give all goodies away to the Federation anyway.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    do the devs even look in this forums, id be shocked if they did or we might have seen some action in game already.

    This forum? Not all that much. The General Forum? Very very very carefully moderated, heh.

    Taking the discussion to the general forum gets responses and attention. But also attracts flames and with the way moderation has been lately ... just be wary.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Hawks wrote: »
    The last Def post on Klingon matters is long ago, so no.
    They don't look in here.

    We are second class players and customers, the Devs give all goodies away to the Federation anyway.

    so true, i dont even think we are second class customers, i think npcs come above us when it comes to cryptic love.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Dont worry! Soon there will be a Dev post saying that, cool stuff on its way for klingons. And they are lookin forward to it lol heard it before never seen it before.

    Why dont u have a why option when u cancel ur sub ? that is more refer to the horrible klingon game play and custom.

    Btw, if this part of the forum is underground, does that mean we can write our true feelings and thoughts about the way klingon faction is handled ? i so wanna shout out HIGHLITED words. I really wanna be a happy player like the feds are espc now when they are joking about broken transwarp thing. That will never happen, i know that now so there were only one thing for me to do.:mad:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    i started lossing faith right after 2.0 when i saw that lionfish cruiser/carrier thing, i swear that ship was an after thought like "ok people we got new fed ships. so what we got for the klingons?, what do u mean we didnt bother? crud ok take that npc carrier you made for the klingon episode missions and make it playable that'll keep them quite."

    Trust i also lost when 90% of what they tell us is happening or going to happen doesnt. The fact we wait hoping for 1 thing and they contiue to fail, we get no responce from anyone about why the delay or why feds got another new toy and klingons got nothing. Loyalty rewards for feds is a jacket loyalty reward for klingons seems to be a slap in the face atm. It's almost like im a black man back in 1960 America, trying to fight for there rights and not to be some second class citizen, maybe this is a bad analogy but WE pay the same as a fed and jack for it.

    Yes after 2.0 the klingons did get some stuff and crypttic and the fed players can keep putting there heads in the sand and keeps saying it was a big update for the klingons, 8 episodes 1 new ship and some new costumes, but this doesnt seem to be what was promised, what was promised was the gap between feds and klingons to narrow not widen.

    So this is another player who has cancaled his sub (i have up to the 9th for it to run out), maybe cryptic will understand that not all players what to be a fed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    A sense of dread has come upon me that the Dev's are going to give more unversal BO slots to the Federation while not upgrading our other vessels with the same.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    A sense of dread has come upon me that the Dev's are going to give more unversal BO slots to the Federation while not upgrading our other vessels with the same.



    Surprising ? nah not really.

    Thank Elvis, im not contributing to this so called star trek online any longer. Just bugs me that i once thought this game actually would be great and payed my monthly subs....
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Gotta love how the Klingon forum has the most "I Quit" threads ever, and though they are against policy, devs and mods are never down here so they just stay up forever.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Creovex wrote: »
    Gotta love how the Klingon forum has the most "I Quit" threads ever, and though they are against policy, devs and mods are never down here so they just stay up forever.

    And how is that ? maybe because it really sucks playing on the red side, we always get the short end of the stick. Policy ! How about a policy for game developers, fairness ingame maybe.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Sh1ngara wrote:
    i think we out number storm troopers too :P but how many who came for kdf will be jumpin onto something else.

    and ye i think there is alot bigger fanbase for kdf then alot realise, i mean seriously someone even made an official language for the klingons that is recignised around the world. qu'pla
    Oraddis wrote:
    Yes, I have lost both Faith and Trust in Cryptic, so I did the only thing a consumer can do if 9+ months of feedback is useless.

    I closed my Wallet. No more STO after the 3rd for me. The way I see it if you stay, you support EVERYTHING Cryptic does because all they look at is the bottom line. If you leave you give them the strongest feedback of all. NO MONEY !

    P.S.
    Thanks for all the Fish??? hmm ... wait that would be the carrier nvm not thankful for that.


    P.P.S.
    Thx for the BoP !

    It was fun to fly for the past 6 months.

    Being a lifer I can not leave and will not if I'm the last damn old Klingon left playing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kudos to you Roach for your Spirt ! I really do mean that too btw. No Snark or /sarc at all.

    (But on a side note I am SOOO glad I didn't get a Lifer Sub.)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    yer Roach im a poor lifer as well & wont quit playing kling though i do wish id held off on the life time subs now..
    my son & i both love playing klings though his computer is out of action he loves playing pvp on my toons for me when im away making dinner , watching tv & stuff.
    I hear the lol when he been ownin on cap & holds :D
    I guess there will be at least 3 klings still playing till the end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    used to bash all the full time klinks, but im really starting to feel for you guys/gals
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    A sense of dread has come upon me that the Dev's are going to give more unversal BO slots to the Federation while not upgrading our other vessels with the same.

    Dont forget giving them a ship that can create a grid with other ships to detect cloaked ships, thus potentially removing klink cloak as a factor of pvp. In the mean time we have to hunt and peck for those packs of Defiant Refits and Galaxy-X's the old fasion way, without the aid of a science ship (Unless some one plays that Carrier that turns like a brick glued to the floor)

    So far Feds have got the cloak
    Now they are going to get universal slots

    The universal i dont care too much but the odds are getting stacked against the klingons really fast.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Regarding the LTS ... Stormshade, while closing certain I Quit threads or modding certain I Quit posts, has replied that refunds are a topic that should be taken up with billing.

    I could be reading what he's written the wrong way or reading way too much into it ... BUT ... maybe one of you folks should put it to the test? See if you can get a refund? I don't know. What can it hurt?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    used to bash all the full time klinks, but im really starting to feel for you guys/gals

    Yeah me too... perhaps we can get the sympathetic Fed players to go on some organised strike with you all.

    I figure if we get 1000 players to not subscribe or play for w whole month or so, the Devs may listn... I said may
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