Honestly, I figured the Excelsior should have been the Fed's answer to the Bird of Prey - they "generic" model that fits every situation, considering how prevalent it supposedly was in starfleet - many more of this one model than any of the others we get to play... which brings me to how this should NOT be a C-Store only item, I feel it should be a Tier 2-4 ship, and the Tier 5 version (refit) can be on the C-Store, that would work for me just fine, but it looks like that isn't how this is going down...
Content such as the Excelsior and Nebula are not dirrectly bound to the missions or gameplay of Star Trek Online. Therefor, they are are sideprojects which when worked on, take time away from the main development of the game. As we all know: in the harsh business world time is money. C-credits compensate the labour it takes to add additional content to the game, to compensate for costs made which are not a necessity to play the game but rather are gimmicks or extra's which enhance the game. Therefor, paying with real money makes sense. They are in essence very small 'expansion packs' to the game: extra features we can choose to purchase to enhance our experience but which are in no way a must-have for experiencing the gameplay of Star Trek Online. They are not epic-items as Dstahl put it and are not must-haves to stay in competition with other players.
Content such as the Excelsior and Nebula are not dirrectly bound to the missions or gameplay of Star Trek Online. Therefor, they are are sideprojects which when worked on, take time away from the main development of the game. As we all know: in the harsh business world time is money. C-credits compensate the labour it takes to add additional content to the game, to compensate for costs made which are not a necessity to play the game but rather are gimmicks or extra's which enhance the game. Therefor, paying with real money makes sense. They are in essence very small 'expansion packs' to the game: extra features we can choose to purchase to enhance our experience but which are in no way a must-have for experiencing the gameplay of Star Trek Online. They are not epic-items as Dstahl put it and are not must-haves to stay in competition with other players.
Based on this logic right here, (highlighted in red), we should not buy from the C-Store as it will take from bug fixing and mission development.:eek:
Content such as the Excelsior and Nebula are not dirrectly bound to the missions or gameplay of Star Trek Online. Therefor, they are are sideprojects which when worked on, take time away from the main development of the game. As we all know: in the harsh business world time is money. C-credits compensate the labour it takes to add additional content to the game, to compensate for costs made which are not a necessity to play the game but rather are gimmicks or extra's which enhance the game. Therefor, paying with real money makes sense. They are in essence very small 'expansion packs' to the game: extra features we can choose to purchase to enhance our experience but which are in no way a must-have for experiencing the gameplay of Star Trek Online. They are not epic-items as Dstahl put it and are not must-haves to stay in competition with other players.
So, instead of doing Main Development and Bug Fixes, they are spending the time they would normally be doing main work doing extra work, then charging us for it? How is that fair? We are spending the time your paying us to make content, making different content you asked for and charging for it!
These kind of items were exatly the point why some of us were strogly against C-store during the beta phase of the game. Atari is pushing Cryptic to charge us players for items that should be available through normal gameplay for everyone. Funds gathered from C-store may help developing this game a bit but what it mostly does is that it helps shareholders to get bigger wallets.
Only thing what we can really do about this is to keep our opinions loud and civilized and second thing is that as many as possible stop using C-store and pay a recurring montly fee for playing
Tossing the bone of the Excelsior skin free at T3 is meaningless. It's what stats the refit will have, and what stats the Nebula will have, when paid for that will be the issue. Depending on the extensiveness of the Excelsior's declared "transwarp anywhere" ability, it may be buying otherwise-unavailable shortcuts or simply completely worthless. The Nebula's promoted "AWACS" ability, if it even half-assedly lives up to such a label, will/I] have disruptive effects on PvP. The same won't be true for PvE only because NPCs happily stand in line for us to shoot at :rolleyes:
It's a retrofit, it seems to me we should be able to choose the Excelsior instead of the Defiant or Galaxy.
I suspect that if there's going to be any way to get it in the game at all, it's going to be that, but I'm also sure they're not going to announce that so that everyone who reaches VA before then (in the handful of play-hours it takes from RA5, so I'd expect most RA5 characters that are actually still played) before then will probably blow their token and thus have to pay or griiiiiiiiind.
Honestly, I figured the Excelsior should have been the Fed's answer to the Bird of Prey - they "generic" model that fits every situation, considering how prevalent it supposedly was in starfleet - many more of this one model than any of the others we get to play... which brings me to how this should NOT be a C-Store only item, I feel it should be a Tier 2-4 ship, and the Tier 5 version (refit) can be on the C-Store, that would work for me just fine, but it looks like that isn't how this is going down...
oh well...
Well, given the multiple different mission pods we've seen for the Nebula, I thought it would have been the obvious Tier 4 for such a line. I'm not sure what the base Tier 2 or 5 would logically be, and now that I know this suggestion I've made repeatedly has been solidly circular-filed, I'm in no mood to do research to give Cryptic more ideas for TRIBBLE to go on the C-store.
I have to say, if the Excelsior "refits" as you level up (IE a captain has a weaker version of it than an admiral) then I will be paying good money for it. Just so you Devs know.
I would have been perfectly happy to fight using only the Excelsior class ship leveling through the Fed side...But then again, since I am unable to play the game (their effects and TRIBBLE did wonky $#%@ to my cards) until it gets fixed, I cannot say that I would be completely satisfied...
Although getting them to add the refit for the right points along with adding the klingon ships would go a long way to restoring faith.
I must say that it was relatively peaceful and good before 2.0 came out. I fperhaps they could have just rolled out content to 1.2, that would have been much better than releasing an unfinished season with bugs and the ability to skrag cards....
I think it is pretty greedy to add Canon ships that are beloved by Trek fans to the c-store, and most likely charge a premium. But I can live with that, Greed is eternal, so I've come to expect companies to exploit fans with greed.
What I have a problem with however is how most likely these will also be Admiral Ships, they really should be Captain ships. Afterall Neither the Nebula Class or Refit Excelsior are as powerful as a Sovereign or Prometheus and their ilk. But they were on Par with the Galaxy Class and Defiant, not to mention people are getting tired of everything catering only to the End Game. This is the kind of stuff that upsets new players, and Cryptic quite frankly cant afford to alienate new customers.
So... I should shell out $25 bucks for two Canon ships that I CAN'T use after I rank up to Vice Ad? Talk about a wast of money.
So... I should shell out $25 bucks for two Canon ships that I CAN'T use after I rank up to Vice Ad? Talk about a wast of money.
Thats the same way I look at it as well.
If you add a new ship to a lower tier, you are alienating all the higher tier players and effectively telling them they can't use it. If you add a ship to a higher tier, you are alienating the lower tier players, but those players will eventualy BE higher tier and so will eventualy gain access.
Frankly it makes very little sense to add new ships to lower tiers unless there is a version of that ship available at end game.
This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario, low tier or high tier someone stands to lose out, but giving it to high tiers (especialy when you are expecting people to pay for it) is the lesser of the two evils.
Frankly, I would go so far as to say that no new ship should be added to lower tiers unless it is;
a) a variant of an existing ship
b) a class of vessel missing from that tier (i.e. a carrier being added to T4 as one does not yet exist)
As for the previous comments by others regarding the strength of the Excelsior and Galaxy not matching the Soveriegn, well thats handled quite well by bridge officer slots. The Galaxy refit is already at a tactical dissadvantage to the Soveriegn since it has 1 less tactical Boff, but has the additional Eng boff instead - thats a fair balance I think, and you should see an equaly similar sort of balance with the Nebula and Excelsior.
But I would like to point out that this is 2409, not 2379, we have absolutely no idea what Starfleet has done to Excelsior cruisers, so we cannot really guage firepower or strength between a refit Excelsior to that of a Sovy or Refit Galaxy.
Frankly I just like the fact that there will finally be a nice spread of canon fed ships at the Admiral ranks - I honestly don't care if a ship should or should be as powerful as another considering how relatively easy it is to upgrade a ship.
I made the misstake of paying $25.00 for the Galaxy X when it was put into the C-store. Now I'll have to pay a total of $50.00 just to get TWO more ships? I think I'll use that money to go buy another video game for my X-box 360!
If we could use Energy Credits or Star Fleet Merits, well then MAYBE I would get the ships.
However, I don't see that happening as the C-store has become too good at bringing in short term money for the bean counters.
I want to make it clear that I don't have a problum with the devs. I'm sure the decision did not rest with them in the first place.
Have they even told us what specs the T5 refits would have? It seems to me that they are certainly keeping a lid on that. Are they afraid that we will find out that the Excelsior refit is majorly lacking to the Galaxy refit, and therefore won't buy it?
I hate to tell you this but I think that if they don't bother to share this information out with us and wait until the last moment to spring it on us, there will be a great deal more unhappy and disgruntled customers than if they had been up-front with us to begin with.
I certainly am not paying my good money for a ship skin that is woefully underpowered conpared to the Galaxy refit. At the present I am content to fly my current ship (since I hit VA 2 days after launch...yes..no life) until we either find out through having to buy the ship on c-store, or a dev actually has the guts to tell us what specs we have to look forward to on the T5 refits of the Nebula and excelsior...
After all, they have had a good amount of time to work on it... It's not like this whole time had to be spent on skins....
Has it been confirmed, then, that the T5 refits are going to be $25? I'm sorry, if a dev posted that I missed it. Could someone provide a link? (And, if true, the address to email pictures of flaming pitchfoks, please. ^_^ )
Has it been confirmed, then, that the T5 refits are going to be $25? I'm sorry, if a dev posted that I missed it. Could someone provide a link? (And, if true, the address to email pictures of flaming pitchfoks, please. ^_^ )
AFAIK it has not been officially confirmed, nor has it been stated somewhere. People get the idea because the Galaxy-X already cost that amount of money which is, to be honest, a very heavy price for a single item. Considering you usually could get full scaled add-ons for PC games at a 25-30 US-$ pricerange, spending 25 bucks for just a single ship is simply overpriced.
We're still waiting for all kind of official information. We still don't know the ships specs, the layouts or the price tags. I'm crossing fingers for todays Engineering Report, maybe dstahl will give us some more information.
AFAIK it has not been officially confirmed, nor has it been stated somewhere. People get the idea because the Galaxy-X already cost that amount of money which is, to be honest, a very heavy price for a single item. Considering you usually could get full scaled add-ons for PC games at a 25-30 US-$ pricerange, spending 25 bucks for just a single ship is simply overpriced.
We're still waiting for all kind of official information. We still don't know the ships specs, the layouts or the price tags. I'm crossing fingers for todays Engineering Report, maybe dstahl will give us some more information.
Thanks for that info!. That's what I thought but I could have easily missed a dev post, and wanted to ask first.
AFAIK it has not been officially confirmed, nor has it been stated somewhere. People get the idea because the Galaxy-X already cost that amount of money which is, to be honest, a very heavy price for a single item. Considering you usually could get full scaled add-ons for PC games at a 25-30 US-$ pricerange, spending 25 bucks for just a single ship is simply overpriced.
We're still waiting for all kind of official information. We still don't know the ships specs, the layouts or the price tags. I'm crossing fingers for todays Engineering Report, maybe dstahl will give us some more information.
Well, I don't know about you but I didn't get squat information out of the engineering report that we hadn't already heard from whispers....So, again, where's our spec list, and cp price list? You cannot tell me they cannot give us a ballpark to look forward to.......Sheesh.
Well, I don't know about you but I didn't get squat information out of the engineering report that we hadn't already heard from whispers....So, again, where's our spec list, and cp price list? You cannot tell me they cannot give us a ballpark to look forward to.......Sheesh.
There was basicly no word about new ships other than "They are coming / being tested" - I am also disappointed. I'd like to think about reskills, already plan to buy the right consoles but I can't since there still are no words about the Excelsior. We have only six days left.
I have no problem buying a ship from the C-store, but I would like more Customization options and universal bridge slots on Fed ships bought through the store. Those added options would make the purchase well worth it.
I have no problem buying a ship from the C-store, but I would like more Customization options and universal bridge slots on Fed ships bought through the store. Those added options would make the purchase well worth it.
So you would like to give the cash shop more advantages over people who don't feel like paying to win? That's going to win you a nice amount of friends here. That is the primary objection many people have to the C-Store to begin with.
So you would like to give the cash shop more advantages over people who don't feel like paying to win? That's going to win you a nice amount of friends here. That is the primary objection many people have to the C-Store to begin with.
I'm glad you said it because I would have been a bit less civil.
So you would like to give the cash shop more advantages over people who don't feel like paying to win? That's going to win you a nice amount of friends here. That is the primary objection many people have to the C-Store to begin with.
I'm also willing to pay for these ships ..... however .... I would like to see the ability in game to by the T-5 version with the same amount of emblems or something similar as the Retrofits currently in game. T-3 version should be for energy credits.
And I agree with you because ... unlike the skins like "Imperial-class" ... she has a unique ability.
just be happy you *have* the option of additional ships...
It is because I love Klingons and feel the pain of waiting and not having (I'm still trying to keep the faith of Oct for new ships there!) a variety to choose from there that I simply appreciate simply getting these in game.
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oh well...
Ah, cool, I'm guessing we'll be able to mix and match the looks in the shipyard as usual?
Based on this logic right here, (highlighted in red), we should not buy from the C-Store as it will take from bug fixing and mission development.:eek:
So, instead of doing Main Development and Bug Fixes, they are spending the time they would normally be doing main work doing extra work, then charging us for it? How is that fair? We are spending the time your paying us to make content, making different content you asked for and charging for it!
Only thing what we can really do about this is to keep our opinions loud and civilized and second thing is that as many as possible stop using C-store and pay a recurring montly fee for playing
I suspect that if there's going to be any way to get it in the game at all, it's going to be that, but I'm also sure they're not going to announce that so that everyone who reaches VA before then (in the handful of play-hours it takes from RA5, so I'd expect most RA5 characters that are actually still played) before then will probably blow their token and thus have to pay or griiiiiiiiind.
Well, given the multiple different mission pods we've seen for the Nebula, I thought it would have been the obvious Tier 4 for such a line. I'm not sure what the base Tier 2 or 5 would logically be, and now that I know this suggestion I've made repeatedly has been solidly circular-filed, I'm in no mood to do research to give Cryptic more ideas for TRIBBLE to go on the C-store.
Although getting them to add the refit for the right points along with adding the klingon ships would go a long way to restoring faith.
I must say that it was relatively peaceful and good before 2.0 came out. I fperhaps they could have just rolled out content to 1.2, that would have been much better than releasing an unfinished season with bugs and the ability to skrag cards....
So... I should shell out $25 bucks for two Canon ships that I CAN'T use after I rank up to Vice Ad?
Thats the same way I look at it as well.
If you add a new ship to a lower tier, you are alienating all the higher tier players and effectively telling them they can't use it. If you add a ship to a higher tier, you are alienating the lower tier players, but those players will eventualy BE higher tier and so will eventualy gain access.
Frankly it makes very little sense to add new ships to lower tiers unless there is a version of that ship available at end game.
This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario, low tier or high tier someone stands to lose out, but giving it to high tiers (especialy when you are expecting people to pay for it) is the lesser of the two evils.
Frankly, I would go so far as to say that no new ship should be added to lower tiers unless it is;
a) a variant of an existing ship
b) a class of vessel missing from that tier (i.e. a carrier being added to T4 as one does not yet exist)
As for the previous comments by others regarding the strength of the Excelsior and Galaxy not matching the Soveriegn, well thats handled quite well by bridge officer slots. The Galaxy refit is already at a tactical dissadvantage to the Soveriegn since it has 1 less tactical Boff, but has the additional Eng boff instead - thats a fair balance I think, and you should see an equaly similar sort of balance with the Nebula and Excelsior.
But I would like to point out that this is 2409, not 2379, we have absolutely no idea what Starfleet has done to Excelsior cruisers, so we cannot really guage firepower or strength between a refit Excelsior to that of a Sovy or Refit Galaxy.
Frankly I just like the fact that there will finally be a nice spread of canon fed ships at the Admiral ranks - I honestly don't care if a ship should or should be as powerful as another considering how relatively easy it is to upgrade a ship.
Ummm .... There *is* a refit version of Excelsior and THAT is what you buy for $25.
The lower tier one is the one bought with energy credits in game. ... or have I missed something?
If we could use Energy Credits or Star Fleet Merits, well then MAYBE I would get the ships.
However, I don't see that happening as the C-store has become too good at bringing in short term money for the bean counters.
I want to make it clear that I don't have a problum with the devs. I'm sure the decision did not rest with them in the first place.
I hate to tell you this but I think that if they don't bother to share this information out with us and wait until the last moment to spring it on us, there will be a great deal more unhappy and disgruntled customers than if they had been up-front with us to begin with.
I certainly am not paying my good money for a ship skin that is woefully underpowered conpared to the Galaxy refit. At the present I am content to fly my current ship (since I hit VA 2 days after launch...yes..no life) until we either find out through having to buy the ship on c-store, or a dev actually has the guts to tell us what specs we have to look forward to on the T5 refits of the Nebula and excelsior...
After all, they have had a good amount of time to work on it... It's not like this whole time had to be spent on skins....
AFAIK it has not been officially confirmed, nor has it been stated somewhere. People get the idea because the Galaxy-X already cost that amount of money which is, to be honest, a very heavy price for a single item. Considering you usually could get full scaled add-ons for PC games at a 25-30 US-$ pricerange, spending 25 bucks for just a single ship is simply overpriced.
We're still waiting for all kind of official information. We still don't know the ships specs, the layouts or the price tags. I'm crossing fingers for todays Engineering Report, maybe dstahl will give us some more information.
Thanks for that info!. That's what I thought but I could have easily missed a dev post, and wanted to ask first.
Well, I don't know about you but I didn't get squat information out of the engineering report that we hadn't already heard from whispers....So, again, where's our spec list, and cp price list? You cannot tell me they cannot give us a ballpark to look forward to.......Sheesh.
There was basicly no word about new ships other than "They are coming / being tested" - I am also disappointed. I'd like to think about reskills, already plan to buy the right consoles but I can't since there still are no words about the Excelsior. We have only six days left.
All the c-store cash flooding into Cryptic's coffers obviously has an impact on their business model.
So you would like to give the cash shop more advantages over people who don't feel like paying to win? That's going to win you a nice amount of friends here. That is the primary objection many people have to the C-Store to begin with.
I'm glad you said it because I would have been a bit less civil.
I'm also willing to pay for these ships ..... however .... I would like to see the ability in game to by the T-5 version with the same amount of emblems or something similar as the Retrofits currently in game. T-3 version should be for energy credits.
And I agree with you because ... unlike the skins like "Imperial-class" ... she has a unique ability.
just be happy you *have* the option of additional ships...
It is because I love Klingons and feel the pain of waiting and not having (I'm still trying to keep the faith of Oct for new ships there!) a variety to choose from there that I simply appreciate simply getting these in game.