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Poll: Should the Liberated Borg be added to the C-store?

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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I vote no, for technical reasons,

    1. This is the only limited time offer and Actual "Exclusive" within this title.

    2. All others were listed Preorder/Vendor Exclusives that are all still available through their respective vendors.

    3. Any other specific Item at best was only labeled "unique" by type, not exclusivity

    Those technical reasons would be 'because I want it' would they? You were pretty keen on making sure the mirror universe uniforms ecusive were taken from the CO LTS so why is it then fair that you get to keep your 'excusive' borg?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Those technical reasons would be 'because I want it' would they? You were pretty keen on making sure the mirror universe uniforms ecusive were taken from the CO LTS so why is it then fair that you get to keep your 'excusive' borg?

    Thats the problem I see with not letting us have the liberated borg race. I have a CO LTS (and totally regretting it.) and MU's went on the C-Store, so it only seems fair that the other LTS perk goes on the C-Store, too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Since my last two posts were moderated, I will try to give my views on this topic in a bit more civilized manner. I believe that the Borg captain should be put up on the C-Store for the same reason that the Mirror uniforms were. I am not a CO lifer but I feel that they have been given the shaft and if they have to suffer for Atari/Cryptic's decision, everyone should have to pay the price. It should be an everything or nothing affair. Unfortunately, some items were put up for sale...while others were not. I say put the items that are missing up for sale no matter how "exclusive" or "unique" it is. It's only fair...it's just business, after all.

    Everything up for sale should not even have been considered as such...especially not this soon in the game's life. I kept pushing for Veteran rewards...and even mentioned that it would earn Cryptic more money in the long run. But they listened to the "I want it and I want it now" crowd and stepped all over the people who had the items, some for only a month. I wish that they listened to me and the other people that were saying that others can have it but not this way, but what is done is done.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Since my last two posts were moderated, I will try to give my views on this topic in a bit more civilized manner. I believe that the Borg captain should be put up on the C-Store for the same reason that the Mirror uniforms were. I am not a CO lifer but I feel that they have been given the shaft and if they have to suffer for Atari/Cryptic's decision, everyone should have to pay the price. It should be an everything or nothing affair. Unfortunately, some items were put up for sale...while others were not. I say put the items that are missing up for sale no matter how "exclusive" or "unique" it is. It's only fair...it's just business, after all.

    Everything up for sale should not even have been considered as such...especially not this soon in the game's life. I kept pushing for Veteran rewards...and even mentioned that it would earn Cryptic more money in the long run. But they listened to the "I want it and I want it now" crowd and stepped all over the people who had the items, some for only a month. I wish that they listened to me and the other people that were saying that others can have it but not this way, but what is done is done.

    I dont think the Liberated Borg should be added because the people who paid for that item with the early life time subscription took a chance. We were the investers, we didn't know if this game would sink or swim.

    Everyone had their chance and, the early subscriber gets the worm.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    YES.

    /10chars
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kudach wrote: »
    It should not be avaliable to anyone else.

    No late lifers should get it and neather should the c-store.

    I would vote leave it on the LTS so people who got it after launch can have the borg too and also make it a vet reward. Have they announced the 500 days one yet? If not, they can make it part of that vet reward.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sure. Make the Lib Borg a C-Store item... as long as the Galaxy-X is too (and everything else - auto defense turret, etc.).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Let me say, first:

    I have no issue with it being added from a fairness standpoint.

    My only issue is that Borg are way too common already.

    My suggestion would be to offer Augments, who would be functionally identical.


    Augmented Healing
    Constantly regenerates shields and health.
    +10% Health Regeneration, +10% Shield Regeneration

    Efficient Captain
    Provides a bonus to efficiency stats, improving the effectiveness of many of your power management abilities.
    +5 bonus to Starship Shield, Engine, Energy Weapon, and Auxilary Systems Efficiency

    OPTIONAL:

    Regulan Bloodworms
    Inject the target with neural parasites, which continually attempt to hold the target for the duration. Also reduces the target's movement speed.
    -75% Run Speed for 30 sec, 40% chance: +2 Hold for 3 seconds, applies Hold Resist upon expiration.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    And the MU uniforms have nothing to do with it. People who bought those CO LTS also got perks in CO along with their subs which is what they really paid for. It's not like that was all they got with the sub. This "I paid 200 dollars for this uniform" crowd should just put a stamp "SUCKA" on their foreheads with permanent ink.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Liberated Borg should remain rare, few and far between, and should NOT be put in the C-Store. People need something that remains rare in this game and remains exclusive, to make them stand out among the rest. If this were taken away from the lifers, well... honestly? I would most likely reconsider continuing my support for the game. If the devs keep going back on their word and making exclusives "common", there's not point in continuing to support a system or the development... that's just my opinion. I mean seriously... there are some incredible sci-fi games coming out soon that will most certainly create limited edition and exclusive items and treat their original supporters with a little more respect... I am still sore over my pre-order exclusive items becoming common after I spent time, and money, to gather up pre-order codes... Call me grumpy... just the way I see it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    On top of that, I'd suggest targeting Season 3 for unlockable Borg costumes as off duty uniforms.

    Include the Borg BO-only outfit and maybe a male equivalent based on the KA Borg BO.

    The new tech that would be required here is to make head attachments part of an unlockable costume and include the implants.

    Currently, all headgear is tied to race.

    What would remain exclusive then would just be mixing Borg implants with a Starfleet/KDF uniform.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    No No No No, and did i say No?

    I think all of the pre-order bonus' i had are now available to all ... don't make this available to all. Cryptic said they were only available on pre-order LTS' because they didnt want everyone to be one, well everyone will be if they make em available on the C-Store.

    I don't mind all the other stuff being up there but that shouldnt be IMO. Heck a big part of why i needed to 'pre-order' the LTS was that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    modemfox wrote: »
    I dont think the Liberated Borg should be added because the people who paid for that item with the early life time subscription took a chance. We were the investers, we didn't know if this game would sink or swim.

    Everyone had their chance and, the early subscriber gets the worm.

    Anyone who bought the CO LTS was also an investor, and also took a chance. Cryptic showed that meant very, very little to them.

    Also, if you haven't played CO, or played it lately, please take it from me, it has alot of major issues that make it a very dubious game to have a lifetime for. When you log in at peak hours to find maybe 100 to 400 people playing, it's very disappointing.

    I didn't buy my CO LTS for the MU Uniforms...but, seeing that would be the ((at the time)) only way to ever get them, it was the final push I needed to buy my CO LTS. Now that they've sold that supposedly unobtainable item for $3.50...well, like others, I'm feeling a bit burnt by Cryptic.
    And the MU uniforms have nothing to do with it. People who bought those CO LTS also got perks in CO along with their subs which is what they really paid for. It's not like that was all they got with the sub. This "I paid 200 dollars for this uniform" crowd should just put a stamp "SUCKA" on their foreheads with permanent ink.

    Please see the above. Storm, you are one of the more reasonable people around here, and I didn't expect something so crass from you. You are better then that dude.

    As far as the poll goes, put me down in the "put everything in the c-store" category...including the Liberated Borg I paid for as an STO Lifer. You can't take away some people's exclusives and keep other things exclusive...it's not fair to both sides.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Wow. What a biased poll..... lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Konig-Wolf wrote: »
    Anyone who bought the CO LTS was also an investor, and also took a chance. Cryptic showed that meant very, very little to them.

    Also, if you haven't played CO, or played it lately, please take it from me, it has alot of major issues that make it a very dubious game to have a lifetime for. When you log in at peak hours to find maybe 100 to 400 people playing, it's very disappointing.

    I didn't buy my CO LTS for the MU Uniforms...but, seeing that would be the ((at the time)) only way to ever get them, it was the final push I needed to buy my CO LTS. Now that they've sold that supposedly unobtainable item for $3.50...well, like others, I'm feeling a bit burnt by Cryptic.



    Please see the above. Storm, you are one of the more reasonable people around here, and I didn't expect something so crass from you. You are better then that dude.

    As far as the poll goes, put me down in the "put everything in the c-store" category...including the Liberated Borg I paid for as an STO Lifer. You can't take away some people's exclusives and keep other things exclusive...it's not fair to both sides.


    Thing is there is those who say it was a factor in the decision. That makes sense. And even if someone said a large factor or small factor, I can easily see that. But then we get the extreme ones who claim they paid 200 dollars to a Champions LTS with the sole reason of getting the uniform. 200 dollars for a pixel set. How would you describe that person who paid 200 dollars just for a uniform only?

    They also got perks in CO that are still not available to anyone else in that game too. True the perks aren't that great but they are there. They also go access to the STO closed beta (or were supposed to but some people posted there was a bug in that). Basically they got other things and the MU uniforms was one part of what they got and not the only item.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I don't see a problem with putting it on there. Although I think I'd like to see the prices of all C-Store items increased.

    It doesn't really matter to me as I didn't preorder or buy the lifetime sub for the bonus items. So I took them as exactly that bonus items. And truthfully I've played with quite a few other lifers and I don't really see an overabundance of Liberateds around.

    There's so much to choose from and the preorder items aren't really meant for anything other than the beginning stages of the game. That's not to say that one can't get some use out of the at RA5 but they're really just beginner items. And as the level cap increases and content becomes more difficult they'll become pretty much useless.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Yes it should

    Fair is fair. Put it all on the C-Store. Since I've been told repeatedly how good it would be for the game if all my MU uniform was put there, then putting all items there will only be better, yes? Voting otherwise would be hypocritical.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    personae wrote:
    Yes it should

    Fair is fair. Put it all on the C-Store. Since I've been told repeatedly how good it would be for the game if all my MU uniform was put there, then putting all items there will only be better, yes? Voting otherwise would be hypocritical.

    I didn't vote because vet rewards wasn't on the list. If I had to vote with only those options, I'd say no to be honest because of then the immersion would be gone of them being few and far between. I barely play mine anymore. Even the dailies I mostly do the dailies with my Joined Trill first and then too blah about it to do it with either one of my borgs.

    I really don't see the big deal about the mirror uniforms. Bought them but when I looked at them, I thought they were sort of crappy after all the hype about them. They didn't live up to the hype IMO. But the main reason I bought them is because Cryptic bends over whenever the few people complain for something that I figured the backlash they would pull them off the C-Store so grabbed while I could. I went to the tailor to look at them but not a single character/BO is sporting anything from that set except one of my Amazon BO's has the sash.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying only the preorder LTS should have them. I think all LTS should have the LBs and also make it a vet reward so one day every player can have it. The MU uniforms probably would have been better served that way as well as a vet reward. When Cryptic puts too many things in the C-Store that should be vet rewards, it makes me wonder if they even think the game won't last long enough to put them as vet rewards. It doesn't instill long term confidence.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Konig-Wolf wrote: »
    ...I didn't buy my CO LTS for the MU Uniforms...but, seeing that would be the ((at the time)) only way to ever get them, it was the final push I needed to buy my CO LTS. Now that they've sold that supposedly unobtainable item for $3.50...well, like others, I'm feeling a bit burnt by Cryptic.
    Now I always wondered what was the logic of putting a STO 'perk' in a lifetime subscription to a game that has nothing to do with STO. As nice a perk as it might be, it certainly not worth the price for buying a CO lifetime subscription for someone who doesn't play CO but plays STO.... The C-Store inclusion could be viewed as a correction to this mistake. On the other hand, the 'Liberated Borg' is associated with the STO Pre-Order Lifetime sub and doesn't have this 'target conflict' issue...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    And the MU uniforms have nothing to do with it. People who bought those CO LTS also got perks in CO along with their subs which is what they really paid for. It's not like that was all they got with the sub. This "I paid 200 dollars for this uniform" crowd should just put a stamp "SUCKA" on their foreheads with permanent ink.

    / agreed
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Now I always wondered what was the logic of putting a STO 'perk' in a lifetime subscription to a game that has nothing to do with STO. As nice a perk as it might be, it certainly not worth the price for buying a CO lifetime subscription for someone who doesn't play CO but plays STO.... The C-Store inclusion could be viewed as a correction to this mistake. On the other hand, the 'Liberated Borg' is associated with the STO Pre-Order Lifetime sub and doesn't have this 'target conflict' issue...

    CO LTS had 2 STO items. MU Uniforms was a WHAT thing to be added. STO Closed Beta access which made sense.


    CO started Labor Day weekend with the head start at the end of August. It's now June of the following year.

    15 dollars times the now 9 months is 135 dollars of sub fees. The extra character slots they got in CO, roughly about 150 dollars. It's nearing pretty fast in CO the "now playing for free" time. Now if people aren't playing CO at all, I have to ask why not? I thought they said it's improved since I canceled my sub over there in February. Why not check it out with all the improvements? That's the part I just can't get. Why someone would buy a LTS to a game they never plan or even planned to play. And some (Not ALL) posters have claimed that too.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Those technical reasons would be 'because I want it' would they? You were pretty keen on making sure the mirror universe uniforms ecusive were taken from the CO LTS so why is it then fair that you get to keep your 'excusive' borg?

    1. The MU set was not exclusive it was a bonus and anything listed as "exclusive" in CO is still exclusive.

    2. The liberated Borg Captain was a prelaunch investment exclusive and the only true "exclusive" with in this title.

    3. I am indifferent to the fact that people want to make Borgs, I would say put the options in the character creator, just omit the "exclusive Borg traits".

    I have all of the things currently in the C-Store that were unique items or vendor exclusives, It is fine that they are there.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Okay, I wish they'd just release it to get the firestorm over with and put these threads to rest.

    I'd rather deal with a galaxy full of Borg than see other lifers exert so much energy defending one form of exclusivity or specialness against another.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'd rather deal with a galaxy full of Borg than see other lifers exert so much energy defending one form of exclusivity or specialness against another.

    I'm for a free for all!

    Trek is about equality, "exclusives" are not. Though that is not why I think everyone should get everything.

    Picard, is this your game? I know it is mine, I paid for it. Leviathian, is this your game too?

    Now, we all agree this is my, yours, their game, right? The next question:

    Picard, is this game Star Trek Online? I know that is what mine is. Leviathan, is that the name of your game too?

    Now, we all agree this game is "Star Trek Online, right? The last question:

    Picard, how come your game is different from mine? I know I don't have all the stuff you do. Leviathan, is your game different from ours too?

    (If we all agree on the first two: 1) This is our game AND 2) It is Star Trek Online, then why is it that 3) We all have different games?)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Okay, I wish they'd just release it to get the firestorm over with and put these threads to rest.

    I'd rather deal with a galaxy full of Borg than see other lifers exert so much energy defending one form of exclusivity or specialness against another.

    I wish they would announce it being part of the 500 day vet reward (since they announced up to 400 already but would have been fine with it earlier than 500). That way all these endless threads screaming for it would end.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Okay, I wish they'd just release it to get the firestorm over with and put these threads to rest.

    I'd rather deal with a galaxy full of Borg than see other lifers exert so much energy defending one form of exclusivity or specialness against another.

    It is only a matter of principle, If they were going to release at all again it would be tied to the LTS, not in the C-Store. That is just common sense.

    I am fine with them releasing the features into the character creator, but the actual "traits" I would not be able to justify though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm for a free for all!

    Trek is about equality, "exclusives" are not. Though that is not why I think everyone should get everything.

    Picard, is this your game? I know it is mine, I paid for it. Leviathian, is this your game too?

    Now, we all agree this is my, yours, their game, right? The next question:

    Picard, is this game Star Trek Online? I know that is what mine is. Leviathan, is that the name of your game too?

    Now, we all agree this game is "Star Trek Online, right? The last question:

    Picard, how come your game is different from mine? I know I don't have all the stuff you do. Leviathan, is your game different from ours too?

    (If we all agree on the first two: 1) This is our game AND 2) It is Star Trek Online, then why is it that 3) We all have different games?)

    Btw, Picard did say the financial needs were gone when they found those people frozen. So vet reward would be sort of a freebie. C-Store is where you pay money which Picard showed is not the way of the Federation. Now Ferrengi on the other hand... ;) lol
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I'm for a free for all!

    Trek is about equality, "exclusives" are not. Though that is not why I think everyone should get everything.

    Picard, is this your game? I know it is mine, I paid for it. Leviathian, is this your game too?

    Now, we all agree this is my, yours, their game, right? The next question:

    Picard, is this game Star Trek Online? I know that is what mine is. Leviathan, is that the name of your game too?

    Now, we all agree this game is "Star Trek Online, right? The last question:

    Picard, how come your game is different from mine? I know I don't have all the stuff you do. Leviathan, is your game different from ours too?

    (If we all agree on the first two: 1) This is our game AND 2) It is Star Trek Online, then why is it that 3) We all have different games?)

    I agree about equality and Star Trek. I will say that is why i proposed the other ideas, other than giving away the farm. Prelaunch LTS Exclusives were given to investors of this title who really put out some faith and went out on a limb. The BETA time I played had very little content and many bugs and was not a finished product by any means.

    I would even be satisfied if they were to reoffer the Borg Captain without the "exclusive" Bord traits and tie is to the currently priced 299.99 LTS
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I would even be satisfied if they were to reoffer the Borg Captain without the "exclusive" Bord traits and tie is to the currently priced 299.99 LTS

    Which would satisfy #3 in my above post :) Then others could have the same item(s) you/I have.

    I don't care how people get the same game I have, or I get the same game they have. All that matters, to me, is that the possibility exists.

    Cryptic DEVs should want the same thing, since it is their creation. I would assume they would want as many people to enjoy it as possible.

    I say, quit focusing on "if, and should, the [insert items] be released" and focus on "why they are not available". And, "Why is my game 'less than' or 'greater than' this next person's, who has the same game (supposedly)."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I agree about equality and Star Trek. I will say that is why i proposed the other ideas, other than giving away the farm. Prelaunch LTS Exclusives were given to investors of this title who really put out some faith and went out on a limb. The BETA time I played had very little content and many bugs and was not a finished product by any means.

    I would even be satisfied if they were to reoffer the Borg Captain without the "exclusive" Bord traits and tie is to the currently priced 299.99 LTS

    I think the Borg as is should still be in the current LTS myself.

    But this also points out the flaw in this poll. It's not just 2 answers to this and the OP trying to make it just two answers shows he's out of touch with a lot of people so his poll is meaningless.
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