Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. All you who seem to be in denial need to wake up. People know what they were told and lead to believe. You and nobody else can change that fact.
So, you were as bright then as you are now in this BB that you can't think through things enough not to make bad decisions or not to acknowledge things like you starting up legal arguments or not ever clarifying how exclusive means more than a limited amount of time given the evidence that exclusive really does mean, in the corporate world, by and large, for a certain amount of time, you and you only will have this item.
Exclusive means exactly that. Only some warped interpritation would mean exclusive doesn't mean exclusive. You are also continueing to completely miss the point. Exclusive or not, its the short period people have held it that's the problem. If you can't see that, you are extremely selfish.
I thought we were taught well before High School to not define a word with that exact word. So, you can't say that exclusive is defined as exclusive. You have to define exclusive through the use of other words to arrive at a concrete and clear definition.
I thought we were taught well before High School to not define a word with that exact word. So, you can't say that exclusive is defined as exclusive. You have to define exclusive through the use of other words to arrive at a concrete and clear definition.
I think you should use the words Limited Edition like a previous poster suggested. But that's because I like Limited Edition and how it works. It's a numbers thing that is always flexible and often very different in how it is applied.
For instance, I have a limited edition art print from Joe Quesada. It's 1 of 1,000 or so.
I also made a comic book awhile back that had a print run of 500. But it's the regular edition.
So yeah, I'm all for calling the uniform Limited Edition.
I think you should use the words Limited Edition like a previous poster suggested. But that's because I like Limited Edition and how it works. It's a numbers thing that is always flexible and often very different in how it is applied.
For instance, I have a limited edition art print from Joe Quesada. It's 1 of 1,000 or so.
I also made a comic book awhile back that had a print run of 500. But it's the regular edition.
So yeah, I'm all for calling the uniform Limited Edition.
Its a shame Joe Quesada doesn't draw much anymore.
If I recall you said this was your first MMO, correct? If that is truly the case then you have now been handed the knowledge albeit the hard way that others have. For that, I am sorry you had to learn it this way.
Argh... I'd ask Q to kill me except he'd take his time about it.. several times.
Look, I fall on the 'yea' side of the issue. I've never been a fan of bonus items being tied to specific vendor channels, or of pre-order in-game bonus items. It's manipulative -- not illegal, borderline ethical, but manipulative -- because there are two goals: First, to make induce you to make your purchase from a specific vendor (each vendor takes a chance that they'll lure more people to their store with their shiny); Second, there is the unspoken hope that you'll go out of your way to get multiple copies. It is *implied* that you can't get these shinies any other way, even though, in most games, you eventually have other ways to get them. And, yes, I bought multiple versions because I was (a) flush at the time and (b) in low spirits at the time. (Not a good combination. But that's a rant for a psych blog. Or an SPHL.) In STO's case, that 'eventually' turned out to be pretty damn early on. REALLY early, much earlier than most games.
But all in all I can't dislike this decision, more for the unintended consequences than (some of) the shinies being available to (almost) everyone. News of this will spread; gamers will get more savvy; they won't be taken in by vendor-channel-specific and pre-order in-game bonus items. No matter how much a company swears up and down that it will never ever ever release in-game bonus items; I'll be very interested in finding out if this has already happened, since Fallout: Vegas is doing a preorder blitz this week, complete with vendor-channel-specific preorder bonus in-game items. So Cryptic has more or less severely damaged one of the more manipulative game advertising techniques.
However, there is one area I'm still unhappy about. And yes, it's the MU Uniforms. Look, I've read this thread through (gods help me) and I've read the battlethread (all 400+ pages before it got locked) and to me it comes down to this: There is enough ambiguity that the COLTS should receive some sort of compensation. Yes, I said it -- there's enough ambiguity in the statement made by Cryptic that these uniforms were not going to be available anywhere or anywhen else. Daeke was still an employee and his statements were not corrected by anyone at Cryptic, no matter what his other mis-statements were. If I am in error -- I might have missed something on this thread or the other one, probably during a point when my eyes were glazing over -- then I welcome correction, but as of right now, there's enough ambiguity that it warrants at least some sort of special attention from Cryptic to the COLTS.
Some of you will come back and say there's no ambiguity at all, one way or the other. Well, I'm not going to tell you that you can't make any sort of statement, or state your opinion. I've seen good arguments on both sides, from people I respect. But work with me here: Both sides are claiming the unmitigated Truth of the matter. That's obviously wrong -- if there is some absolute Truth of this then one side MUST be wrong. I'm offering a diplomatic route, not an ideal route (because diplomacy is all about compromise) but one that maybe folks can work with and that Cryptic can also work with.
I'm not saying a complete refund of their COLTS -- really, that's silly. But it's only been a month since the full uniforms were introduced. No matter what your definition of 'exclusive is,' you have to admit -- one month is a pretty short time. There can't be THAT many COLTS playing STO that Cryptic would be put into financial hardship in making a reconciliatory gesture of some sort to them. Com-badges, trophies, C-Points, bumping their 'play time' up by 50-100 days so they get vets rewards earlier, something to that effect. Because at this point I think that if they're going to put these things in the C-Store, they should put everything, at some point, in the C-Store. I'd vastly, vastly prefer that things be earnable and unlockable in the game (you know, that thing we pay $15USD/month for access to?) but if some sort of hybrid sub/store model is what Cryptic's shooting for, fine. Everything on the C-Store. No exceptions.
But, you know, whatever. It's your time, it's your opinion, you have as much a right to vent and rant as anyone in these forums. As I have.
Then take those litter boxes and bury them 6 feet under
It just dawned on me that I used the term litter box and I have a cat girl avatar.... maybe the Caitians are turning me into a furry. Oh this is getting wierd.
However, there is one area I'm still unhappy about. And yes, it's the MU Uniforms. Look, I've read this thread through (gods help me) and I've read the battlethread (all 400+ pages before it got locked) and to me it comes down to this: There is enough ambiguity that the COLTS should receive some sort of compensation. Yes, I said it -- there's enough ambiguity in the statement made by Cryptic that these uniforms were not going to be available anywhere or anywhen else. Daeke was still an employee and his statements were not corrected by anyone at Cryptic, no matter what his other mis-statements were. If I am in error -- I might have missed something on this thread or the other one, probably during a point when my eyes were glazing over -- then I welcome correction, but as of right now, there's enough ambiguity that it warrants at least some sort of special attention from Cryptic to the COLTS.
I think it more people had gone about it and explained it the way you just did it might have made more progress. As it was there are those of us who can understand the principle of the issue but it can't be proven. So attacking the problem from the angle you used would have had more traction.
True. But what little he's done lately has been without Jimmy P's wonderful inks. I miss that combo a lot. The look was very pretty.
I remember his Spidey bit with Mephisto ... and his Daredevil father stuff, and the absence of Palmiotti was pronounced.
And Jimmy P is mostly writing now instead of inking. Ugh what a sad waste of great art talents.
But Joe is n't the first artist to make an editorial shift like that. I worked for TRIBBLE Giordano just before he took over at DC. Was my first job ever. Fun memories.
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If you describe something as exclusive, you mean that it is limited to people who have a lot of money or who belong to a high social class, and is therefore not available to everyone. Adjective
o
He is already a member of Britain's most exclusive club.
o
The City was criticised for being too exclusive and uncompetitive.
o
Add starRemove star exclusiveness Noun (uncountable) listen
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...a rising middle class, which objected to the exclusiveness of the traditional elite. + 'of'
o
Add starRemove star exclusivity Noun (uncountable) oft 'the' N 'of' n /'ekskluːs'ɪvɪti/ listen
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...a company with a reputation for exclusivity.
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Something that is exclusive is used or owned by only one person or group, and not shared with anyone else. Adjective
o
Our group will have exclusive use of a 60-foot boat.
o
Many of their cheeses are exclusive to our stores in Britain. + 'to'
o
Add starRemove star exclusivity Noun (uncountable)
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Only 250 are to be sold in Europe, so exclusivity is guaranteed.
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If a newspaper, magazine, or broadcasting organization describes one of its reports as exclusive, they mean that it is a special report which does not appear in any other publication or on any other channel. Adjective usu ADJ n
o
He told the magazine in an exclusive interview: `All my problems stem from drink'.
o
An exclusive is an exclusive article or report. Noun (countable)
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Some papers thought they had an exclusive.
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If a company states that its prices, goods, or services are exclusive of something, that thing is not included in the stated price, although it usually still has to be paid for. Adjective
o
Antonym
inclusive
o
All charges for service are exclusive of value added tax.
o
Skiing weekends cost £58 (exclusive of travel and accommodation). + 'of'
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If two things are mutually exclusive, they are separate and very different from each other, so that it is impossible for them to exist or happen together. Phrase v-link PHR
o
They both have learnt that ambition and successful fatherhood can be mutually exclusive.
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Add starRemove star unique /juːn'iːk/ listen
Synonyms:
o adjective: singular, single, only, sole, unparalleled, matchless, unmatched, incomparable, inimitable
o
Something that is unique is the only one of its kind. Adjective
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Each person's signature is unique.
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The area has its own unique language, Catalan.
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Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV group ADV with v listen
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Because of the extreme cold, the Antarctic is a uniquely fragile environment.
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Uniquely among the great world religions, Buddhism is rooted only in the universal experience of suffering known to all human beings.
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Add starRemove star uniqueness Noun (uncountable) listen
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Each time I returned I was struck by the uniqueness of Australia and its people. + 'of'
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You can use unique to describe things that you admire because they are very unusual and special. Adjective approval
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Brett's vocals are just unique.
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Kauffman was a woman of unique talent and determination.
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Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV group ADV with v listen
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...people who consider themselves uniquely qualified to be president of the United States.
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...a festival ambience that is uniquely conducive to the absorption of serious music.
o
If something is unique to one thing, person, group, or place, it concerns or belongs only to that thing, person, group, or place. Adjective
+
No one knows for sure why adolescence is unique to humans. + 'to'
+
This interesting and charming creature is unique to Borneo. + 'to'
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Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV adj listen
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The problem isn't uniquely American.
Merriam Webster
2 entries found for exclusive.
To select an entry, click on it.
Main Entry: ex·clu·sive
Pronunciation: iks-primarystressklü-siv, -ziv
Function: adjective
1 : excluding or trying to exclude others <an exclusive neighborhood>
2 : 4SOLE 2a <we have exclusive use of the beach>
3 : 1FULL 2c, complete <gave their exclusive attention to the job>
- ex·clu·sive·ly adverb
- ex·clu·sive·ness noun
One entry found for unique.
Main Entry: unique
Pronunciation: yudot-primarystressnemacronk
Function: adjective
1 a : being the only one of its kind b : PECULIAR 1
2 : very unusual : NOTABLE <his talent is unique>
3 : being the one and only possible result of one or more mathematical operations <a unique solution>; also : having only one possible result <addition of integers is unique>
Well i`ve just read the whole blasted thread, its clear that most or all of you have made your points, figured out which camps your in and its gotten to the point where its going round and round and round and round and round the bloody mulberry bush. its clear that its unlikely that this issue will be solve on the forums so just post the complains to crytic and lets get on with the game coz thats why we`re all here to enjoy the bloody GAME.
So to cryptic PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SANITY CLOSE THIS BLASTED THREAD!
Well i`ve just read the whole blasted thread, its clear that most or all of you have made your points, figured out which camps your in and its gotten to the point where its going round and round and round and round and round the bloody mulberry bush. its clear that its unlikely that this issue will be solve on the forums so just post the complains to crytic and lets get on with the game coz thats why we`re all here to enjoy the bloody GAME.
So to cryptic PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SANITY CLOSE THIS BLASTED THREAD!
ps have a nice night .
Curious. I was thinking the same thing about some threads yesterday and they got closed not long after. I must be telepathic!
Comments
To be honest, all of have been in your shoes at one time or another. I appreciate that you are being reasonable and I understand your situation.
This sounds very familiar. I would "give over" but I have no idea what that means.
We are not trying to side track anything. We are just trying to understand your point of view.
So, you were as bright then as you are now in this BB that you can't think through things enough not to make bad decisions or not to acknowledge things like you starting up legal arguments or not ever clarifying how exclusive means more than a limited amount of time given the evidence that exclusive really does mean, in the corporate world, by and large, for a certain amount of time, you and you only will have this item.
A fact you obviously don't have the evidence to back up or aren't smart enough to prove.
But we sure can disprove it all over the place, can't we?
I thought we were taught well before High School to not define a word with that exact word. So, you can't say that exclusive is defined as exclusive. You have to define exclusive through the use of other words to arrive at a concrete and clear definition.
So I should use words like Unique?
I think you should use the words Limited Edition like a previous poster suggested. But that's because I like Limited Edition and how it works. It's a numbers thing that is always flexible and often very different in how it is applied.
For instance, I have a limited edition art print from Joe Quesada. It's 1 of 1,000 or so.
I also made a comic book awhile back that had a print run of 500. But it's the regular edition.
So yeah, I'm all for calling the uniform Limited Edition.
Its a shame Joe Quesada doesn't draw much anymore.
seeing as how threads start with the OP, it'd be quite hard to bury their arguments.
I would like to bury some of these threads in a litter box.
Then take those litter boxes and bury them 6 feet under
you first have to encapsulate it in lead. then bury it 6 feet or more.
It was the sig of another poster. I sure hope he has a good sense of humor about it!
Look, I fall on the 'yea' side of the issue. I've never been a fan of bonus items being tied to specific vendor channels, or of pre-order in-game bonus items. It's manipulative -- not illegal, borderline ethical, but manipulative -- because there are two goals: First, to make induce you to make your purchase from a specific vendor (each vendor takes a chance that they'll lure more people to their store with their shiny); Second, there is the unspoken hope that you'll go out of your way to get multiple copies. It is *implied* that you can't get these shinies any other way, even though, in most games, you eventually have other ways to get them. And, yes, I bought multiple versions because I was (a) flush at the time and (b) in low spirits at the time. (Not a good combination. But that's a rant for a psych blog. Or an SPHL.) In STO's case, that 'eventually' turned out to be pretty damn early on. REALLY early, much earlier than most games.
But all in all I can't dislike this decision, more for the unintended consequences than (some of) the shinies being available to (almost) everyone. News of this will spread; gamers will get more savvy; they won't be taken in by vendor-channel-specific and pre-order in-game bonus items. No matter how much a company swears up and down that it will never ever ever release in-game bonus items; I'll be very interested in finding out if this has already happened, since Fallout: Vegas is doing a preorder blitz this week, complete with vendor-channel-specific preorder bonus in-game items. So Cryptic has more or less severely damaged one of the more manipulative game advertising techniques.
However, there is one area I'm still unhappy about. And yes, it's the MU Uniforms. Look, I've read this thread through (gods help me) and I've read the battlethread (all 400+ pages before it got locked) and to me it comes down to this: There is enough ambiguity that the COLTS should receive some sort of compensation. Yes, I said it -- there's enough ambiguity in the statement made by Cryptic that these uniforms were not going to be available anywhere or anywhen else. Daeke was still an employee and his statements were not corrected by anyone at Cryptic, no matter what his other mis-statements were. If I am in error -- I might have missed something on this thread or the other one, probably during a point when my eyes were glazing over -- then I welcome correction, but as of right now, there's enough ambiguity that it warrants at least some sort of special attention from Cryptic to the COLTS.
Some of you will come back and say there's no ambiguity at all, one way or the other. Well, I'm not going to tell you that you can't make any sort of statement, or state your opinion. I've seen good arguments on both sides, from people I respect. But work with me here: Both sides are claiming the unmitigated Truth of the matter. That's obviously wrong -- if there is some absolute Truth of this then one side MUST be wrong. I'm offering a diplomatic route, not an ideal route (because diplomacy is all about compromise) but one that maybe folks can work with and that Cryptic can also work with.
I'm not saying a complete refund of their COLTS -- really, that's silly. But it's only been a month since the full uniforms were introduced. No matter what your definition of 'exclusive is,' you have to admit -- one month is a pretty short time. There can't be THAT many COLTS playing STO that Cryptic would be put into financial hardship in making a reconciliatory gesture of some sort to them. Com-badges, trophies, C-Points, bumping their 'play time' up by 50-100 days so they get vets rewards earlier, something to that effect. Because at this point I think that if they're going to put these things in the C-Store, they should put everything, at some point, in the C-Store. I'd vastly, vastly prefer that things be earnable and unlockable in the game (you know, that thing we pay $15USD/month for access to?) but if some sort of hybrid sub/store model is what Cryptic's shooting for, fine. Everything on the C-Store. No exceptions.
But, you know, whatever. It's your time, it's your opinion, you have as much a right to vent and rant as anyone in these forums. As I have.
Cheers.
It just dawned on me that I used the term litter box and I have a cat girl avatar.... maybe the Caitians are turning me into a furry. Oh this is getting wierd.
True. But what little he's done lately has been without Jimmy P's wonderful inks. I miss that combo a lot. The look was very pretty.
I remember his Spidey bit with Mephisto ... and his Daredevil father stuff, and the absence of Palmiotti was pronounced.
I think it more people had gone about it and explained it the way you just did it might have made more progress. As it was there are those of us who can understand the principle of the issue but it can't be proven. So attacking the problem from the angle you used would have had more traction.
And Jimmy P is mostly writing now instead of inking. Ugh what a sad waste of great art talents.
But Joe is n't the first artist to make an editorial shift like that. I worked for TRIBBLE Giordano just before he took over at DC. Was my first job ever. Fun memories.
Google Dictionary
exclusive /ɪkskl'uːsɪv/ listen
Synonyms:
* adjective: sole
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exclusives plural listen
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If you describe something as exclusive, you mean that it is limited to people who have a lot of money or who belong to a high social class, and is therefore not available to everyone. Adjective
o
He is already a member of Britain's most exclusive club.
o
The City was criticised for being too exclusive and uncompetitive.
o
Add starRemove star exclusiveness Noun (uncountable) listen
+
...a rising middle class, which objected to the exclusiveness of the traditional elite. + 'of'
o
Add starRemove star exclusivity Noun (uncountable) oft 'the' N 'of' n /'ekskluːs'ɪvɪti/ listen
+
...a company with a reputation for exclusivity.
*
Something that is exclusive is used or owned by only one person or group, and not shared with anyone else. Adjective
o
Our group will have exclusive use of a 60-foot boat.
o
Many of their cheeses are exclusive to our stores in Britain. + 'to'
o
Add starRemove star exclusivity Noun (uncountable)
+
Only 250 are to be sold in Europe, so exclusivity is guaranteed.
*
If a newspaper, magazine, or broadcasting organization describes one of its reports as exclusive, they mean that it is a special report which does not appear in any other publication or on any other channel. Adjective usu ADJ n
o
He told the magazine in an exclusive interview: `All my problems stem from drink'.
o
An exclusive is an exclusive article or report. Noun (countable)
+
Some papers thought they had an exclusive.
*
If a company states that its prices, goods, or services are exclusive of something, that thing is not included in the stated price, although it usually still has to be paid for. Adjective
o
Antonym
inclusive
o
All charges for service are exclusive of value added tax.
o
Skiing weekends cost £58 (exclusive of travel and accommodation). + 'of'
*
If two things are mutually exclusive, they are separate and very different from each other, so that it is impossible for them to exist or happen together. Phrase v-link PHR
o
They both have learnt that ambition and successful fatherhood can be mutually exclusive.
*
Add starRemove star unique /juːn'iːk/ listen
Synonyms:
o adjective: singular, single, only, sole, unparalleled, matchless, unmatched, incomparable, inimitable
o
Something that is unique is the only one of its kind. Adjective
+
Each person's signature is unique.
+
The area has its own unique language, Catalan.
+
Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV group ADV with v listen
#
Because of the extreme cold, the Antarctic is a uniquely fragile environment.
#
Uniquely among the great world religions, Buddhism is rooted only in the universal experience of suffering known to all human beings.
+
Add starRemove star uniqueness Noun (uncountable) listen
#
Each time I returned I was struck by the uniqueness of Australia and its people. + 'of'
o
You can use unique to describe things that you admire because they are very unusual and special. Adjective approval
+
Brett's vocals are just unique.
+
Kauffman was a woman of unique talent and determination.
+
Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV group ADV with v listen
#
...people who consider themselves uniquely qualified to be president of the United States.
#
...a festival ambience that is uniquely conducive to the absorption of serious music.
o
If something is unique to one thing, person, group, or place, it concerns or belongs only to that thing, person, group, or place. Adjective
+
No one knows for sure why adolescence is unique to humans. + 'to'
+
This interesting and charming creature is unique to Borneo. + 'to'
+
Add starRemove star uniquely Adverb ADV adj listen
#
The problem isn't uniquely American.
Merriam Webster
2 entries found for exclusive.
To select an entry, click on it.
Main Entry: ex·clu·sive
Pronunciation: iks-primarystressklü-siv, -ziv
Function: adjective
1 : excluding or trying to exclude others <an exclusive neighborhood>
2 : 4SOLE 2a <we have exclusive use of the beach>
3 : 1FULL 2c, complete <gave their exclusive attention to the job>
- ex·clu·sive·ly adverb
- ex·clu·sive·ness noun
One entry found for unique.
Main Entry: unique
Pronunciation: yudot-primarystressnemacronk
Function: adjective
1 a : being the only one of its kind b : PECULIAR 1
2 : very unusual : NOTABLE <his talent is unique>
3 : being the one and only possible result of one or more mathematical operations <a unique solution>; also : having only one possible result <addition of integers is unique>
So to cryptic PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SANITY CLOSE THIS BLASTED THREAD!
ps have a nice night
Curious. I was thinking the same thing about some threads yesterday and they got closed not long after. I must be telepathic!