When I started this game, one of the things I liked about it was how there weren't a bunch of unattainable endgame items that I'd never be able to have. (I'm not a big Raiding fan.) It's not through raiding, but it's similarly unattainable for me. I hope this is not starting a trend. Putting what is normally routine upgrade content for other MMOs in the C-Store is bad enough already.
Switch the 400 day veteran reward, the Captain's Yacht with the All Good Things Galaxy, since all players can obtain the 400 day reward. Or make it a 500 day reward.
Make the All Good Things Galaxy available in the C-store for a premium fee at the same time the first few players unlock it through the Referral Program.
I for one have done everything I can to support Cryptic and improve this game, and though the devs have done other controversial things in the past, I have stuck by them for the sake of the game. However, this is the first things they've done that could break the game for me. If this isn't remedied, I for one might end up leaving STO.
I wouldn't leave over it, but I definitely would never ask my friends to join me in another Cryptic game at launch. I'd wait a few months to see if they did a "refer a friend" and get neat lootz thing again. This isn't a complaint, but it would be my reaction. Having rewards for "refer a friend" are par for the course in MMOs, but Cryptic I think you need to add boatloads more content to this game out of the box (so to speak) before you start offering these kind of rewards.
Sure, I can recruit a friend and get my nice reward, but my friends won't stay because there is not enough in-game to keep them happy long-term.
Frankly the cynicism of this referral program hits a new low.
Think about it. They want people who want the Galaxy X, who are a lot of people, to get 5 people each to subscribe for at least one month.
Let's say only 5% of people who want the Galaxy X do this, that's a lot of new subs. So they can go to their investors and say "Hey, look at all our new subs!"
These new subs probably won't stick around, but they don't care, because all they care about is that it looks to their investors and Atari that STO is growing when it isn't.
Someone earlier in the thread said they'd pay 4,000 Cryptic Points for this...
Well, I have good news for them! This is basically the ultimate C-Store item! Cryptic, take note...just follow my math, and release this bad boy into the C-Store, at the following price....
The current exchange rate of United States Dollars ($) to Cryptic Points (CP) is $1 to 80CP.
So, five retail copies of the game ($29.99 each) plus five months worth of subscription time ($14.99/month) gives you a grand total of $225, which is a mere 18,000CP!!! Plus, for your purchase, they'll give you a nice 2,000CP rebate! So it only costs the low, low price of 16,000CP!!! Yay!
So, for the low low price of $225 you'll get a shiny new starship, a holographic bridge officer and pet, and enough c-store points to put you 1/9th of the way toward the next exclusive starship they release....again, yay!
Seriously. For a freaking ship and a few shiny bits, you want us to get you $225...seriously. It's not right, it's not fair, and it's something that should strongly be reconsidered.
I'm a double-lifer. Both here and in Champions Online. I've bought from the C-Store. I've gotten friends to play both the games. I've done my part...please don't do this to me, and the countless others like me, who have invested in your products, and done all we can to give you a shot at success.
Please don't double-cross all of us like this.
The Champions Online team almost made the same mistake with Revelation/Vibora Bay...well, this is STO's Revelation/Vibora Bay incident. Learn from CO, and do the right thing.
Do you want everything that expands gameplay to be sold in the C-store now? This isn't just a ship skin! dstahl has confirmed that this has at least one, possibly two (and the possible one is a cloaking device) in-game effects.
Cryptic repeated endless variations on the promise that 'everything sold in the C-store that affects gameplay will be earnable in-game'.
You want to give them a pass on that? Turn this game into an Asian pay-for-power MMO with a sub tacked on?
Do you want everything that expands gameplay to be sold in the C-store now? This isn't just a ship skin! dstahl has confirmed that this has at least one, possibly two (and the possible one is a cloaking device) in-game effects.
Cryptic repeated endless variations on the promise that 'everything sold in the C-store that affects gameplay will be earnable in-game'.
You want to give them a pass on that? Turn this game into an Asian pay-for-power MMO with a sub tacked on?
*head asplode*
Read my whole post. I was fine with either option. The other one being:
"Switch the 400 day veteran reward, the Captain's Yacht with the All Good Things Galaxy, since all players can obtain the 400 day reward. Or make it a 500 day reward."
Stop overreacting, there is enough of that on this forum already.
Squid has a point though. The cannon was bad enough, but a Federation cloak all of it's own is a real balance changer, and making that exclusive or paid for is just plain wrong.
At this point I submit that the Galaxy X would be ideal for the new Memory Alpha. Put it at the end of the research chain.
This would require substantial play time and involvement in game content without requiring harsh raiding (STFs) or real money/absurd shilling for an item with genuine gameplay effects.
I wouldn't object to elements from STFs making the process faster mind you as long as it wouldn't be the only way.
Wow, I was trying to give Cryptic the benefit of the doubt on this one, but so far the only things they seem to have kept any perspective on are 1) having the unique cannon replace a weapon slot, and 2) informing management that most of their players think this is a bad idea.
Now that more of the facts are out, let me add my vote to the "bad idea" column, too. My recommendation to friends on STO remains to be "Wait until Season 2"....I might reconsider even saying that much.
The Fed Cloak hasn't been confirmed yet. Don't start jumping the gun, though it might be too late for that, and making assumptions about aspects of the product you have no information on.
The Fed Cloak hasn't been confirmed yet. Don't start jumping the gun, though it might be too late for that, and making assumptions about aspects of the product you have no information on.
The Fed cloak merely increases the stakes on this problem, but the problem remains.
Bottom line:
If the Galaxy X is largely cosmetic, a premium c-store item and/or vet reward is acceptable.
If the Galaxy X comes with gameplay changing elements like a Fed cloak, then the in-game Memory Alpha route is the only practical way to go.
The referral system is completely unacceptable in either case.
Squid has a point though. The cannon was bad enough, but a Federation cloak all of it's own is a real balance changer, and making that exclusive or paid for is just plain wrong.
At this point I submit that the Galaxy X would be ideal for the new Memory Alpha. Put it at the end of the research chain.
This would require substantial play time and involvement in game content without requiring harsh raiding (STFs) or real money/absurd shilling for an item with genuine gameplay effects.
I wouldn't object to elements from STFs making the process faster mind you as long as it wouldn't be the only way.
Not disputing that either...to which I also said in my post:
Having rewards for "refer a friend" are par for the course in MMOs, but Cryptic I think you need to add boatloads more content to this game out of the box (so to speak) before you start offering these kind of rewards.
They need more content in-game that comes with a regular ole subscription, a lot more content.
(Yes, I know the content is coming Cryptic, but you have a lot of competition coming your way...and the competition looks damn good. I think less resources spent on creating content for stuff like "refer a friend" and more on regular content is best. But hey, it's your game.)
The Fed cloak merely increases the stakes on this problem, but the problem remains.
Bottom line:
If the Galaxy X is largely cosmetic, a premium c-store item and/or vet reward is acceptable.
If the Galaxy X comes with gameplay changing elements like a Fed cloak, then the in-game Memory Alpha route is the only practical way to go.
The referral system is completely unacceptable in either case.
There is no information on the Fed Cloak. You're letting your imagination run away with yourself.
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I think it is a good idea, and every other MMO has a system like this inplace to try and get more accounts. I've seen it work in SWG, surprising I know and also with game enhancing items as rewards, and I know WOW has something similiar.
Bottom line: Anything the Devs come up with as a a decent carrot for the refer a friend system is going to end up getting a forum community backlash. If it wasn't the AGT Galaxy it would have been something else this community would have been up in arms about.
There's no way they will ever reconsider now. Every protest topic just proves how badly everyone wants the Galaxy X. Why should they offer anything less attractive as a referral reward? This ship is the best motivation to refer a friend, or 5.
They will keep it the way it is. And they can be SURE there will be many people that will at least try to refer 5 friends. Only a few will succeed. But it's their gain, ieven f your effort only got 1, 2 or maybe 4 people in the game.
But hey, at least more players will keep the game alive longer :P
Again, the Fed cloak if it exists merely means the difference between an in-game item and a premium item according to Cryptic's own promises.
As for WoW. Let's be honest here. WoW is the ultra-heavyweight MMO of the industry. Quite simply, WoW can get away with things STO can't by virtue of it being bigger, older, far more popular and far more stable.
If Cryptic pulls this nonsense they WILL lose people and WILL gain even more hate.
Yeah i have been completely supportive of cryptics efforts with this game so far but this one does really tick me off. Its been my fav ship forever. And I dont expect it to be easy to get, but POSSIBLE. I mean make it a super rare drop or a schematic like someone said. make it take tons of materials to make. etc etc. theres tons of logical, gameplay ways to make an item rare but cool. :mad:
Okay, going to make one last comment here.... IN FIFTEEN PARTS! No, just kidding. Anyway, Part 1 of 72...
First: I know a lot of people are calling for this to be in the C-Store, but... I really have to advise against that. Ever since the C-Store was announced, we were told and reassured that paying cold hard cash from the C-Store --- or cold hard C-points -- would only be for cosmetic, somewhat fluffy stuff, not for stuff that had any effect in-game. Ship models, emotes, character slots, playable races, that sort of thing. Okay, the playable races is pushing it a tiny bit, and maybe so is the respec... but only a little, and it's gravely debatable as to if they have no business being there. Most people I know of have no problem with them in there. But... putting anything with unique abilities in the C-Store -- especially a ship with a unique weapon and the ability to 'strategically' cloak -- is treading dangerously close to, if not entering, this territory. So I can't in good conscience support putting this thing into the C-Store.
Second: I agree with Suricata. The amount of stuff being released into the C-Store is... troubling, considering the state the game was in when it was (contractually obligated to be) released. I'm not at the 'burn down the forums' stage, but it's cause for some mild consternation*. I do hope that it is not indicative of a trend. Still, it's way early in the game's life to start throwing the Molotov Snapples over it. This is just a concern I keep tucked away.
Third: Okay, the cannon can't be removed. That's fine, I've no problem with that, and I expected it. As I said earlier, I have little problem with the RAF ... er, R5F?... program folks getting a special benny. Since it replaces a weapon slot, it doesn't sound terribly game-breaking to me.** Of course knowing some stats would help in that.
Just one thing, dstahl: I would point out, however, that a lot... okay, a bunch of folks... well, speaking for mysef, er, *I* would very much like an axial phaser cannon to be available as a weapon, please. ^_^ Is there a chance of getting that sometime? Even if it doesn't do the conical attack/pass through objects/ignore LOS thing, which is kind of weird and has limited use even in crowded asteroid fields, anyway.
Fourth: The strategic cloak, on the other hand... Okay, you know what? Gonna hold off on further comment on this, as well. I have no idea how a strategic, non-combat cloak would work in the game or what advantage there would be in it. Frankly, I can't think of any.***
Fifth: Who else here thinks that the moment a Galaxy-X appears in a PvP zone, it's gonna be the first thing targ-piled on? ^_^
Sixth: All of the above being said, I would not stand in the way of folks asking for alternate ways to get the Galaxy-X.
Seventh: One last thing to point out: You only have a finite number of ships you can keep in your 'stable.'
Okay, that's pretty much it from me. I knew I had sixty-five other things to talk about on this subject, but I can't remember what they were. Belated apologies for the threadjacking, but this does seem to have become the 'discuss the Galaxy-X' thread.
* - And if you call this weaksauce mild-cheddar expression of concern 'whining?' Man, we gotta talk about 'exaggeration' sometime.
** - And yes, I know that it's the principle of the thing. Please keep in mind, all of this is just my opinion, one out of [$N_SUBSCRIPTIONS] opinion.
*** - Except maybe to pass through a sector block without being noticed, and thus avoiding all manner of invectives hurled at you over the Chat channel....
Mink, a non-combat cloak just means you can't cloak while in combat, but can uncloak to initiate combat.
These already exist on the Klingon side; only BoPs have battle cloaks.
Again, the Fed cloak if it exists merely means the difference between an in-game item and a premium item according to Cryptic's own promises.
And again your letting your imagination run away with you. Nothing has been said about the Fed Cloak either way. A golden rule to live by, don't start complaining about something until there is something to complain about. I've found that it saves you so many more headaches.
Bottom line: Anything the Devs come up with as a a decent carrot for the refer a friend system is going to end up getting a forum community backlash. If it wasn't the AGT Galaxy it would have been something else this community would have been up in arms about.
You have a point. If it's not this, it would be something else for sure. I guess what annoys me about the reward is not the reward in and of itself but the time taken to implement/test it. My first reaction was, "don't you guys have bigger fish to fry than this?" For example, coderanger (Dev) is the only person in-house that can get the facebook/twitter/etc. integration going and he's up to his eyeballs on other things...maybe you wanna pull a resource off that that reward and get existing content that was released at launch working??
You want a recruit a friend program, sure makes sense. Start slow, offer folks what you already have implemented. Offer then C-Store points, free game time, something they'd value. Then when you have more content in-game overall, go back and make the fancy rewards (like sparkly horses [Edit: or two-seater rocket mounts, heh]...uh, new ships. )
And again your letting your imagination run away with you. Nothing has been said about the Fed Cloak either way. A golden rule to live by, don't start complaining about something until there is something to complain about. I've found that it saves you so many more headaches.
No I'm not. It's a contingency. IF it affects gameplay THEN it should be an in-game item.
IF NOT then I'm perfectly happy to pay real money in the c-store for it.
The only thing that's entirely out of the question is the referral system.
And no, I wouldn't complain if the referrals offered a decent reward that wasn't this absurdity, I have no issue with the free c-store points, the holographic crewmember or hell if they got some unique ship that wasn't a beloved canon design.
Firstly, I'd like to thank dstahl for his responses in this thread. I am disappointed with some of what has been said, but other things have me excited. I'm very glad to see that that management is considering our complaints.
Secondly, I'm glad you clarified the fact that the Galaxy X will be balanced (the super-cannon will take up a weapon's slot). However, it seemed that you were saying that the the new Tier would get a cloak. Since the Galaxy X is being released first, this doesn't sound fair to me. Why should this tiny group of players get a unique gameplay mechanic before the regular joes? That doesn't sound fair at all.
Thirdly, I'm wondering if there will be any other ships in this new Tier other than the upgraded Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant. It does seem strange that these ships would receive a refit, while the Tier 5's would become obsolete to Tier 4 refits. Wouldn't Starfleet normally refit their highest Tier of ships at the same time they'd refit a lower tier? Also, will there be other ships in this Tier, like the Sovereign refit from early in development (91100 wasn't it?) or the Vesta class, which like the Sovereign refit you guys designed, was shown to be a high end testbed for new technologies?
Fourthly, I'm still seeing some flaming and off topic discussion in this thread. Knock it off guys, or may have to start reporting you myself. This is a petition, not a rant thread.
Fifthly, I'm extremely disappointed that this has broken my record for most viewed thread. The record was previously held by my Comprehensive list of Suggestion, which had about 12,000 views the last time I checked. It is always sad to see a negative thread surpass a positive one. I regret this was the only way we could make the management at Cryptic see our side. Though it pains me to see a negative thread continue, we must stay strong to make sure the Galaxy X is handled fairly.
Once more I'd like to thank the dev who is making the variant in his free time, and I hope management will do the right thing and distribute the ship to all players to be fair.
No I'm not. It's a contingency. IF it affects gameplay THEN it should be an in-game item.
I agree with that, but it's a non issue at the moment since there is no information about a Fed Cloak. You're getting so wound up about this topic that your mind is racing through all possibilities as to how this could be a terrible thing and jumping to conclusions that have no basis in the information at hand.
My advice, take a deep breath, count to ten, and scream at the heavens. I find that usually allows me to approach a problem from a new angle.
Mink, a non-combat cloak just means you can't cloak while in combat, but can uncloak to initiate combat.
These already exist on the Klingon side; only BoPs have battle cloaks.
Mm, I get the impression that it was an even less functional cloak than that... that it couldn't be engaged on a space map, only in sector space... but I hasten to add that I have no clue.
If that's the case, then yeah, 'Targpile on the Galaxy-X' might become de rigeur in PvP. I'll be interested in seeing just what exactly kind of cloak, if any, this thing will have.
I agree with that, but it's a non issue at the moment since there is no information about a Fed Cloak. You're getting so wound up about this topic that your mind is racing through all possibilities as to how this could be a terrible thing and jumping to conclusions that have no basis in the information at hand.
My advice, take a deep breath, count to ten, and scream at the heavens. I find that usually allows me to approach a problem from a new angle.
That's not even the issue, since under no circumstances, cloak or not, do I accept the Galaxy X being exclusive to the referral thing. I don't care if it has no cloak, comes with a giant bullseye that says "KLINGONS SHOOT HERE TO WIN" and it's cannon fires flags with the word "BANG!" on them.
It being part of this shill operation is a disgrace.
Fifthly, I'm extremely disappointed that this has broken my record for most viewed thread. The record was previously held by my Comprehensive list of Suggestion, which had about 12,000 views the last time I checked. It is always sad to see a negative thread surpass a positive one.
Oh, I remember that thread! It's a good one. Thanks for the reminder, I shall hie myself off to there and devour it like a tribble in a quadrowheatiecale bin!
If it wasn't the AGT Galaxy it would have been something else this community would have been up in arms about.
**** if I care if they hand out the AGT Galaxy skin for this spamming racket. Well, I'd be irritated as I feel the balance of paid/basic items in this game is too heavy. But it's the aspects with actual game mechanics behind them that are driving me livid, and yes if they'd chosen anything else along those lines I would be equally vehement in my objection.
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This is just morale destroying.
I'd be cool with either of these solutions...
I wouldn't leave over it, but I definitely would never ask my friends to join me in another Cryptic game at launch. I'd wait a few months to see if they did a "refer a friend" and get neat lootz thing again. This isn't a complaint, but it would be my reaction. Having rewards for "refer a friend" are par for the course in MMOs, but Cryptic I think you need to add boatloads more content to this game out of the box (so to speak) before you start offering these kind of rewards.
Sure, I can recruit a friend and get my nice reward, but my friends won't stay because there is not enough in-game to keep them happy long-term.
Think about it. They want people who want the Galaxy X, who are a lot of people, to get 5 people each to subscribe for at least one month.
Let's say only 5% of people who want the Galaxy X do this, that's a lot of new subs. So they can go to their investors and say "Hey, look at all our new subs!"
These new subs probably won't stick around, but they don't care, because all they care about is that it looks to their investors and Atari that STO is growing when it isn't.
Well, I have good news for them! This is basically the ultimate C-Store item! Cryptic, take note...just follow my math, and release this bad boy into the C-Store, at the following price....
The current exchange rate of United States Dollars ($) to Cryptic Points (CP) is $1 to 80CP.
So, five retail copies of the game ($29.99 each) plus five months worth of subscription time ($14.99/month) gives you a grand total of $225, which is a mere 18,000CP!!! Plus, for your purchase, they'll give you a nice 2,000CP rebate! So it only costs the low, low price of 16,000CP!!! Yay!
So, for the low low price of $225 you'll get a shiny new starship, a holographic bridge officer and pet, and enough c-store points to put you 1/9th of the way toward the next exclusive starship they release....again, yay!
Seriously. For a freaking ship and a few shiny bits, you want us to get you $225...seriously. It's not right, it's not fair, and it's something that should strongly be reconsidered.
I'm a double-lifer. Both here and in Champions Online. I've bought from the C-Store. I've gotten friends to play both the games. I've done my part...please don't do this to me, and the countless others like me, who have invested in your products, and done all we can to give you a shot at success.
Please don't double-cross all of us like this.
The Champions Online team almost made the same mistake with Revelation/Vibora Bay...well, this is STO's Revelation/Vibora Bay incident. Learn from CO, and do the right thing.
I already brought more than 5 people to this game. But this was when the game launched. And most of them are even Lifetimers now.
Talking 5 friends to try and play this game, and then sub for a month even, is HARD but possible.
But now I have to ask 5 strangers lol.
And I'm not that kind of marketing guy. Saddly.
WHY!?
Do you want everything that expands gameplay to be sold in the C-store now? This isn't just a ship skin! dstahl has confirmed that this has at least one, possibly two (and the possible one is a cloaking device) in-game effects.
Cryptic repeated endless variations on the promise that 'everything sold in the C-store that affects gameplay will be earnable in-game'.
You want to give them a pass on that? Turn this game into an Asian pay-for-power MMO with a sub tacked on?
*head asplode*
Read my whole post. I was fine with either option. The other one being:
"Switch the 400 day veteran reward, the Captain's Yacht with the All Good Things Galaxy, since all players can obtain the 400 day reward. Or make it a 500 day reward."
Stop overreacting, there is enough of that on this forum already.
At this point I submit that the Galaxy X would be ideal for the new Memory Alpha. Put it at the end of the research chain.
This would require substantial play time and involvement in game content without requiring harsh raiding (STFs) or real money/absurd shilling for an item with genuine gameplay effects.
I wouldn't object to elements from STFs making the process faster mind you as long as it wouldn't be the only way.
Now that more of the facts are out, let me add my vote to the "bad idea" column, too. My recommendation to friends on STO remains to be "Wait until Season 2"....I might reconsider even saying that much.
The Fed cloak merely increases the stakes on this problem, but the problem remains.
Bottom line:
If the Galaxy X is largely cosmetic, a premium c-store item and/or vet reward is acceptable.
If the Galaxy X comes with gameplay changing elements like a Fed cloak, then the in-game Memory Alpha route is the only practical way to go.
The referral system is completely unacceptable in either case.
Not disputing that either...to which I also said in my post:
They need more content in-game that comes with a regular ole subscription, a lot more content.
(Yes, I know the content is coming Cryptic, but you have a lot of competition coming your way...and the competition looks damn good. I think less resources spent on creating content for stuff like "refer a friend" and more on regular content is best. But hey, it's your game.)
There is no information on the Fed Cloak. You're letting your imagination run away with yourself.
Then we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I think it is a good idea, and every other MMO has a system like this inplace to try and get more accounts. I've seen it work in SWG, surprising I know and also with game enhancing items as rewards, and I know WOW has something similiar.
Bottom line: Anything the Devs come up with as a a decent carrot for the refer a friend system is going to end up getting a forum community backlash. If it wasn't the AGT Galaxy it would have been something else this community would have been up in arms about.
They will keep it the way it is. And they can be SURE there will be many people that will at least try to refer 5 friends. Only a few will succeed. But it's their gain, ieven f your effort only got 1, 2 or maybe 4 people in the game.
But hey, at least more players will keep the game alive longer :P
As for WoW. Let's be honest here. WoW is the ultra-heavyweight MMO of the industry. Quite simply, WoW can get away with things STO can't by virtue of it being bigger, older, far more popular and far more stable.
If Cryptic pulls this nonsense they WILL lose people and WILL gain even more hate.
First: I know a lot of people are calling for this to be in the C-Store, but... I really have to advise against that. Ever since the C-Store was announced, we were told and reassured that paying cold hard cash from the C-Store --- or cold hard C-points -- would only be for cosmetic, somewhat fluffy stuff, not for stuff that had any effect in-game. Ship models, emotes, character slots, playable races, that sort of thing. Okay, the playable races is pushing it a tiny bit, and maybe so is the respec... but only a little, and it's gravely debatable as to if they have no business being there. Most people I know of have no problem with them in there. But... putting anything with unique abilities in the C-Store -- especially a ship with a unique weapon and the ability to 'strategically' cloak -- is treading dangerously close to, if not entering, this territory. So I can't in good conscience support putting this thing into the C-Store.
Second: I agree with Suricata. The amount of stuff being released into the C-Store is... troubling, considering the state the game was in when it was (contractually obligated to be) released. I'm not at the 'burn down the forums' stage, but it's cause for some mild consternation*. I do hope that it is not indicative of a trend. Still, it's way early in the game's life to start throwing the Molotov Snapples over it. This is just a concern I keep tucked away.
Third: Okay, the cannon can't be removed. That's fine, I've no problem with that, and I expected it. As I said earlier, I have little problem with the RAF ... er, R5F?... program folks getting a special benny. Since it replaces a weapon slot, it doesn't sound terribly game-breaking to me.** Of course knowing some stats would help in that.
Just one thing, dstahl: I would point out, however, that a lot... okay, a bunch of folks... well, speaking for mysef, er, *I* would very much like an axial phaser cannon to be available as a weapon, please. ^_^ Is there a chance of getting that sometime? Even if it doesn't do the conical attack/pass through objects/ignore LOS thing, which is kind of weird and has limited use even in crowded asteroid fields, anyway.
Fourth: The strategic cloak, on the other hand... Okay, you know what? Gonna hold off on further comment on this, as well. I have no idea how a strategic, non-combat cloak would work in the game or what advantage there would be in it. Frankly, I can't think of any.***
Fifth: Who else here thinks that the moment a Galaxy-X appears in a PvP zone, it's gonna be the first thing targ-piled on? ^_^
Sixth: All of the above being said, I would not stand in the way of folks asking for alternate ways to get the Galaxy-X.
Seventh: One last thing to point out: You only have a finite number of ships you can keep in your 'stable.'
Okay, that's pretty much it from me. I knew I had sixty-five other things to talk about on this subject, but I can't remember what they were. Belated apologies for the threadjacking, but this does seem to have become the 'discuss the Galaxy-X' thread.
* - And if you call this weaksauce mild-cheddar expression of concern 'whining?' Man, we gotta talk about 'exaggeration' sometime.
** - And yes, I know that it's the principle of the thing. Please keep in mind, all of this is just my opinion, one out of [$N_SUBSCRIPTIONS] opinion.
*** - Except maybe to pass through a sector block without being noticed, and thus avoiding all manner of invectives hurled at you over the Chat channel....
These already exist on the Klingon side; only BoPs have battle cloaks.
And again your letting your imagination run away with you. Nothing has been said about the Fed Cloak either way. A golden rule to live by, don't start complaining about something until there is something to complain about. I've found that it saves you so many more headaches.
You have a point. If it's not this, it would be something else for sure. I guess what annoys me about the reward is not the reward in and of itself but the time taken to implement/test it. My first reaction was, "don't you guys have bigger fish to fry than this?" For example, coderanger (Dev) is the only person in-house that can get the facebook/twitter/etc. integration going and he's up to his eyeballs on other things...maybe you wanna pull a resource off that that reward and get existing content that was released at launch working??
You want a recruit a friend program, sure makes sense. Start slow, offer folks what you already have implemented. Offer then C-Store points, free game time, something they'd value. Then when you have more content in-game overall, go back and make the fancy rewards (like sparkly horses [Edit: or two-seater rocket mounts, heh]...uh, new ships.
No I'm not. It's a contingency. IF it affects gameplay THEN it should be an in-game item.
IF NOT then I'm perfectly happy to pay real money in the c-store for it.
The only thing that's entirely out of the question is the referral system.
And no, I wouldn't complain if the referrals offered a decent reward that wasn't this absurdity, I have no issue with the free c-store points, the holographic crewmember or hell if they got some unique ship that wasn't a beloved canon design.
The Galaxy X is simply too much.
Secondly, I'm glad you clarified the fact that the Galaxy X will be balanced (the super-cannon will take up a weapon's slot). However, it seemed that you were saying that the the new Tier would get a cloak. Since the Galaxy X is being released first, this doesn't sound fair to me. Why should this tiny group of players get a unique gameplay mechanic before the regular joes? That doesn't sound fair at all.
Thirdly, I'm wondering if there will be any other ships in this new Tier other than the upgraded Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant. It does seem strange that these ships would receive a refit, while the Tier 5's would become obsolete to Tier 4 refits. Wouldn't Starfleet normally refit their highest Tier of ships at the same time they'd refit a lower tier? Also, will there be other ships in this Tier, like the Sovereign refit from early in development (91100 wasn't it?) or the Vesta class, which like the Sovereign refit you guys designed, was shown to be a high end testbed for new technologies?
Fourthly, I'm still seeing some flaming and off topic discussion in this thread. Knock it off guys, or may have to start reporting you myself. This is a petition, not a rant thread.
Fifthly, I'm extremely disappointed that this has broken my record for most viewed thread. The record was previously held by my Comprehensive list of Suggestion, which had about 12,000 views the last time I checked. It is always sad to see a negative thread surpass a positive one. I regret this was the only way we could make the management at Cryptic see our side. Though it pains me to see a negative thread continue, we must stay strong to make sure the Galaxy X is handled fairly.
Once more I'd like to thank the dev who is making the variant in his free time, and I hope management will do the right thing and distribute the ship to all players to be fair.
I agree with that, but it's a non issue at the moment since there is no information about a Fed Cloak. You're getting so wound up about this topic that your mind is racing through all possibilities as to how this could be a terrible thing and jumping to conclusions that have no basis in the information at hand.
My advice, take a deep breath, count to ten, and scream at the heavens. I find that usually allows me to approach a problem from a new angle.
Mm, I get the impression that it was an even less functional cloak than that... that it couldn't be engaged on a space map, only in sector space... but I hasten to add that I have no clue.
If that's the case, then yeah, 'Targpile on the Galaxy-X' might become de rigeur in PvP.
That's not even the issue, since under no circumstances, cloak or not, do I accept the Galaxy X being exclusive to the referral thing. I don't care if it has no cloak, comes with a giant bullseye that says "KLINGONS SHOOT HERE TO WIN" and it's cannon fires flags with the word "BANG!" on them.
It being part of this shill operation is a disgrace.
Oh, I remember that thread! It's a good one. Thanks for the reminder, I shall hie myself off to there and devour it like a tribble in a quadrowheatiecale bin!
That they're even considering it is outrageous, and it's not forum posters that have manufactured this out of thin air.
**** if I care if they hand out the AGT Galaxy skin for this spamming racket. Well, I'd be irritated as I feel the balance of paid/basic items in this game is too heavy. But it's the aspects with actual game mechanics behind them that are driving me livid, and yes if they'd chosen anything else along those lines I would be equally vehement in my objection.