Another lesson is don't underestimate your player base and put out enough content to last only a week.
There's always some liek you that think it's a race to the finish line, and then when you get there you complain. It's been this way with every MMO I've played, whether it be a new launch or an expansion. It seems to me you had a motive in reaching level cap so fast - to troll and spout off about "How STO sucks and is FAILzors", perhaps driving away current or potential players in some vain attempt to retain your fave MMO's glory.
Sad thing is you may succeed to some small degree, drive off those few who think that they should take the word of somebody that has attained the current max, be it in levels, gear or ships. Go back to WoW or wherever you came from if the game sucks so bad for you. But take this lesson with you - all MMOs launch with the presumption that only the tinyest minority will race to the end, yet whine the loudest.
Absolutely true. Fanboiism and Carebearism are so extremely prevalent here atm, it's unbelievable.
It may have to do with licence as well... sadingly, as much as I love Star Trek, having that licence attracts folks who don't belong in an M ->M<- ORPG as well. Which not only leads to the fanboiism, but also to the believe that they can impose their Solitaire / Minesweeper / Hello Kitty Online - mentality upon us, coupled with the communist ideal that everyone should have the same, regardless of effort.
Sad, but true.
just wanted to point out that it is usually the hardcore pvp'ers that get ****ed when things aren't in perfect balance, not the "carebears"
The fact that some of you are bashing him is mind bottling, my mind is in a bottle.
How can you fault someone for having time to play, and how can you defend a game not being finished, that hurts my brain. You are trying to will a glorious game for the ages here, but as it stands, the game needs another 6 to 8 months, maybe a year of development.
God damn, i need to go get drunk just to get the pain of ignorance and stupidity out of my mind. Drink anyone?
Seriously, you people are disgusting. You are scolding the player for proceeding at the pace he wanted, rather than the developer for having NO CONTENT AT ALL in an MMO at endgame. Also I LOLed at the guy who listed the awful MMOs without endgame stuff as though that was a good precedent.
edit: hahaha this thread moves fast. In the time I typed my post, the OP was accused of "blindsiding" the game and told in an arrogant, "Comic book shop guy from the Simpsons" way to not reply because the guy did not wanna hear his opinion despite voicing his own, and another guy accusing him of having an anti-STO agenda. Which is why he spent money buying the actual game and a sub, because he hates the game SO MUCH he wanted to spend money to denounce it. You people are hilarious.
Hold the phone! Stop the presses! A newly launched MMO has no end game content a few days after launch! Call the cops!
Seriously OP, think before you post. Did you not read the letters on the main site which say that end game is coming in the next weeks after launch? Did that not tell you something? Have you not played MMOs at launch before?
If you want to grind as quickly as possible to Rear Admiral, fine. But you have to accept the consequences of doing so.
I really couldn't care less for rushers but it's their free will to do so but there is no point in it. Until you have enough quality Admirals around with whom you might do Raid content who won't pull a Leroy on you...oh well...time will pass. So it's really pointless to rush this early to the top...even if raid contend would have been in.
That's my 2 cents worth and everyone can do as he likes in game. Nothing wrong with either way.
I tend to read every text and enjoy the game. Leveling is pretty fast anyway..could be slower. But it's fun reading and just playing along with friends...i have no hurry.
What would you do if there was end game content without other Admirals anyways? 5-man Raid-i-sodes (as they seem to be callig them) need 5 players to do. I also suspect that there is a lot of stuff you didn't do or see while getting to level cap. You are entilted to play the game anyway you wish but now you'll have to wait a week or two to raid.
As for me I'm reading the quests, getting into the lore, doing Fleet Actions, flying around, exploring, checking out all the options available to me as I go. And I'm only Lt. Cmdr 5 even though I know I could be higher if I grinded. I'm sorry there isn't any endgame for you.
Who cares about ONE person? Potentially thousands and thousands of people who won't reach the game for a while - and by the time they do Cryptic will have added the new content that was promised.
This is why I am taking my time. So much for the people who told me we WOULDN'T get posts like this on here :rolleyes:
Seriously, you people are disgusting. You are scolding the player for proceeding at the pace he wanted, rather than the developer for having NO CONTENT AT ALL in an MMO at endgame. Also I LOLed at the guy who listed the awful MMOs without endgame stuff as though that was a good precedent.
@ the OP I was wondering about end game sorry to ear it . @ the care bears saying haha you lvld too fast .... to each his own idiots and it dosnt change the fact sto is an unfinished that that was rushed out in 18 months to take advantage of the license.
Guess you missed the part about being a sheep. The point is there is NO endgame at ALL. So even if I took, say, a month to level.. then what? Wait? Endgame content is a hard lesson many devs have learned and here we go again...
There are actually 3 Endgame Epic missions currently in-development, most of the reviewers (GameSpy comes to mind) have actually reported on them already as they have access.
That said...
Let me get this straight, you've just spent 6 days gaming (given how much experience each mission provides I'd estimate approx. 10 hours a day) since launch only to find there is nothing once you've completed everything.
Hmm... Hmmmmmmm.... uh.. Hmmmm...
Yeah sorry was just trying to remember the last time I spent £50 on a game and actually got more than 30hours of gameplay out of it. Yet given you're here whining about getting 60 hours, makes me think there is some epic game that I've missed.
Oh well guess I'll figure out what it is later, well time to get back to Mass Effect 2... oh wait I've done everything in that already. DRAT!
LOL you just e-stalked me on the STO forums. Creepy!
Edit: Also if you think the grammatical quality of my post looked anything at all like the post I was replying to in your stalkrish link, I do not know what to tell you.
I've never understood this opinion - maybe one of you lot obssessed with it can answer this. Why is "endgame" content more appealing or valid than content to do as you level?
Why force yourself up to the maximum level, where there WILL be less content in a newly released game possibly bypassing all the lower level content, and then complain about the fact you've got nothing to do!
Have you got a full compliment of BOffs? Not just for your ship, but for your rank? Do you have one of each type of ship? Have you been breeding Tribbles yet? Have you rolled up a new character to do the content you may have missed last time?
Why do you have to be maximum level to enjoy the game?
I've never understood this opinion - maybe one of you lot obssessed with it can answer this. Why is "endgame" content more appealing or valid than content to do as you level?
Why force yourself up to the maximum level, where there WILL be less content in a newly released game possibly bypassing all the lower level content, and then complain about the fact you've got nothing to do!
Have you got a full compliment of BOffs? Not just for your ship, but for your rank? Do you have one of each type of ship? Have you been breeding Tribbles yet? Have you rolled up a new character to do the content you may have missed last time?
Why do you have to be maximum level to enjoy the game?
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who was pondering that question!
Seriously, you people are disgusting. You are scolding the player for proceeding at the pace he wanted, rather than the developer for having NO CONTENT AT ALL in an MMO at endgame. Also I LOLed at the guy who listed the awful MMOs without endgame stuff as though that was a good precedent.
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I know there's no endcontent, because, you know, Cryptic already said that more or less indirect if you are able to read between the lines (Reading Comprehension = Pure Win).
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I'm currently Cmdr 5 (Level 25), still 20 levels to go and many things to figure out.
Once I've done that, I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I very much like to try another character with a totally different race, ship, BOff and gear setup, which simply translates into: content. Although repetitive because I already know it from my first go around. I'll be doing stuff a little differently the 2nd time around then.
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I don't have so much time on my hand like the OP does.
When I'm done with all that I want to do, I'm sure there will be new and fresh content already. Everybody has a different perception what Content means. Your lead you to complain about it, mine leads me to say "meh, I got time..". Cussing people out because of this is not very mature of you.
Absolutely true. Fanboiism and Carebearism are so extremely prevalent here atm, it's unbelievable.
It may have to do with licence as well... sadingly, as much as I love Star Trek, having that licence attracts folks who don't belong in an M ->M<- ORPG as well. Which not only leads to the fanboiism, but also to the believe that they can impose their Solitaire / Minesweeper / Hello Kitty Online - mentality upon us, coupled with the communist ideal that everyone should have the same, regardless of effort.
Sad, but true.
Ahahahaha, oh my god, did you just call everyone who likes the game a communist. This is the most epic comment I've ever seen.
Didn i say somewhere the "second" wave of admirals will make such threads ? And the first wouldnt ?
But perhaps one thing there is a bit you can do in endgame, whats a bit sad is, that the game stops not at admiral 5, it stops at admiral 1 perhaps episode wise, sure there also will be the rush argument, but thats more unfinished, than an never finished product.
@ the OP I was wondering about end game sorry to ear it . @ the care bears saying haha you lvld too fast .... to each his own idiots and it dosnt change the fact sto is an unfinished that that was rushed out in 18 months to take advantage of the license.
Dont let being a fan cloud your judgement.
And don't let deliberate ignorance and a general lack of common sense cloud yours.
End game is usually lower priority when it comes to MMO launches. Even the almighty WoW launched with little end game content. That stuff was patched in about 6 months later. Sure, in a perfect world, a game would be 100% ready for players throughout the levels. But this aint a perfect world. Time, money and resources dictate the terms.
I think this attack on the OP is rather offensive.
I'd say the big problem is it is possible to reach the end of the game so quickly. That is all the OP is saying. He can't skill up more. There's only marginal gear upgrades. There's no crafting to be seen. The game may start hemorrhaging players soon if it takes less than a week for folks to reach the level cap and then there's no more content.
It would be very bad for the game in the long run if you run out of content so quickly. Even in WoW, where you could theoretically rush to the end game, there was crafting and actually running the end game to keep you busy. Sure, i was level 60 before anyone in my guild, but that meant i was just the expert of UBRS as they reached the level cap. And no, it's not fun to run UBRS 40 or 50 times, but it's a MMORPG, and half the fun is playing with your friends and helping them. It's still content.
Cryptic will need to address the brick wall. Brick walls in content will result in loss of players and a quick death of the game. They could start by allowing characters to continue increasing their skill points past the level cap or adding more fleet actions or something.
LOL you just e-stalked me on the STO forums. Creepy!
No, he's not stalking you. Just poking fun, I think.
By the way, that's a nice new lamp in your living room.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you know how to get grass stains out of flannel pajamas?
Which just further negates any of the points you brought up. Everyone is a 'poser' unless they agree with me! Yep, that makes the point.
Nope. But you might be a poser for pretending to be all high and mighty yet here you are playing the same game just at a slower pace. You try and dissect my remarks to be witty and get a gang up going. I didn't post this to get a pat on the back or whatever. I totally expected sandy little toads to come out of the woodwork and flame just like you did.
This entire thread was posted because MMOs have been out for what, going on 15 years now? Did ANYONE learn ANYTHING in that time about player trends and content? You think it's coincidence that WoW raids require forever to complete unless you're in Ensidia? Endgame content should be a STAPLE of a game, nit something that's "coming soon". There's no endgame because Cryptic was concerned about their OWN financial success, not the success of the game as a whole.
If any of you actually READ the financial report from Atari where they talked about the bonuses Cryptic would get then maybe you'd be a bit more clear on what is really going on here. I own a business and know how these things work. Seen it loads of times before even in small businesses. Peope push an inferior product out for a bonus hoping that it will sell before people see it's TRIBBLE. It's as clear as black and white to me. Sorry it's not for you.
Yea no one cares what you think. We like Startrek. We like to play in the Startrek world.
We are not here to fill some gap in our life or prove we are best or fastest.
We are not the lvling drones of the other MMOs.
You dident even take time to enjoy the view or sounds or names.
Its not about the destination, its about the trip.
Im sry you lost your only chance to really enjoy the game.
We will add more content soon.
For now, you lost your only chance to enjoy STO.
There is only one STO and you Passed it up.
I only read your first line.
Thats all its worth to me.
Seriously, you people are disgusting. You are scolding the player for proceeding at the pace he wanted, rather than the developer for having NO CONTENT AT ALL in an MMO at endgame. Also I LOLed at the guy who listed the awful MMOs without endgame stuff as though that was a good precedent.
edit: hahaha this thread moves fast. In the time I typed my post, the OP was accused of "blindsiding" the game and told in an arrogant, "Comic book shop guy from the Simpsons" way to not reply because the guy did not wanna hear his opinion despite voicing his own, and another guy accusing him of having an anti-STO agenda. Which is why he spent money buying the actual game and a sub, because he hates the game SO MUCH he wanted to spend money to denounce it. You people are hilarious.
hey, he never said to list GOOD mmos, did he? if i remember correctly it was just "show me some mmo without an instance or raid at endgame".
*sigh* I dont really understand why everyones attacking this guy. He made a valid point, and if you dont see whats going to happen as a result of there being NOTHING to do at end game then your really wanting this game to fail. Now we all know when we get up to 50 we dont want to be just like "well..cool..thanks..for the ride I guess?" Even casualy playing this game your going to be at max level in no time. at that time what are you gonna do? Look at the paint job on your ship?
Granted he did get up there really damn fast but think of it this way, in a month there is gonna be a ton of bored figh levels out there, and whats that lead to? People leaving or griefing other players. We dont want either. Im actually surprised they didnt put something in place for high levels to do (well not that surprised CoH and CO had nothing to do end level at all) even pvp wont carry this game far if something isnt done within a month or two. How long honestly can you play a game where you get to max level, then just sit there? If it takes you a month probably not very long.
Do i belive they will put something in? sure i do, they would be morons not to the question is will it be in time to stop a majority of the people who are currently on to poney up the money to stay another month?
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There's always some liek you that think it's a race to the finish line, and then when you get there you complain. It's been this way with every MMO I've played, whether it be a new launch or an expansion. It seems to me you had a motive in reaching level cap so fast - to troll and spout off about "How STO sucks and is FAILzors", perhaps driving away current or potential players in some vain attempt to retain your fave MMO's glory.
Sad thing is you may succeed to some small degree, drive off those few who think that they should take the word of somebody that has attained the current max, be it in levels, gear or ships. Go back to WoW or wherever you came from if the game sucks so bad for you. But take this lesson with you - all MMOs launch with the presumption that only the tinyest minority will race to the end, yet whine the loudest.
just wanted to point out that it is usually the hardcore pvp'ers that get ****ed when things aren't in perfect balance, not the "carebears"
How can you fault someone for having time to play, and how can you defend a game not being finished, that hurts my brain. You are trying to will a glorious game for the ages here, but as it stands, the game needs another 6 to 8 months, maybe a year of development.
God damn, i need to go get drunk just to get the pain of ignorance and stupidity out of my mind. Drink anyone?
edit: hahaha this thread moves fast. In the time I typed my post, the OP was accused of "blindsiding" the game and told in an arrogant, "Comic book shop guy from the Simpsons" way to not reply because the guy did not wanna hear his opinion despite voicing his own, and another guy accusing him of having an anti-STO agenda. Which is why he spent money buying the actual game and a sub, because he hates the game SO MUCH he wanted to spend money to denounce it. You people are hilarious.
Seriously OP, think before you post. Did you not read the letters on the main site which say that end game is coming in the next weeks after launch? Did that not tell you something? Have you not played MMOs at launch before?
If you want to grind as quickly as possible to Rear Admiral, fine. But you have to accept the consequences of doing so.
That's my 2 cents worth and everyone can do as he likes in game. Nothing wrong with either way.
I tend to read every text and enjoy the game. Leveling is pretty fast anyway..could be slower. But it's fun reading and just playing along with friends...i have no hurry.
As for me I'm reading the quests, getting into the lore, doing Fleet Actions, flying around, exploring, checking out all the options available to me as I go. And I'm only Lt. Cmdr 5 even though I know I could be higher if I grinded.
Also, the game just launch. Endgame isn't the priorty and you are in the minority. Like others said. Next time take your time.
This ^^
Who cares about ONE person? Potentially thousands and thousands of people who won't reach the game for a while - and by the time they do Cryptic will have added the new content that was promised.
This is why I am taking my time. So much for the people who told me we WOULDN'T get posts like this on here :rolleyes:
Irony can be funny sometimes.
Dont let being a fan cloud your judgement.
There are actually 3 Endgame Epic missions currently in-development, most of the reviewers (GameSpy comes to mind) have actually reported on them already as they have access.
That said...
Let me get this straight, you've just spent 6 days gaming (given how much experience each mission provides I'd estimate approx. 10 hours a day) since launch only to find there is nothing once you've completed everything.
Hmm... Hmmmmmmm.... uh.. Hmmmm...
Yeah sorry was just trying to remember the last time I spent £50 on a game and actually got more than 30hours of gameplay out of it. Yet given you're here whining about getting 60 hours, makes me think there is some epic game that I've missed.
Oh well guess I'll figure out what it is later, well time to get back to Mass Effect 2... oh wait I've done everything in that already. DRAT!
LOL you just e-stalked me on the STO forums. Creepy!
Edit: Also if you think the grammatical quality of my post looked anything at all like the post I was replying to in your stalkrish link, I do not know what to tell you.
Edit: Is the guy below me really that stupid?
You mean you can't be on both sides of the same argument?
Why force yourself up to the maximum level, where there WILL be less content in a newly released game possibly bypassing all the lower level content, and then complain about the fact you've got nothing to do!
Have you got a full compliment of BOffs? Not just for your ship, but for your rank? Do you have one of each type of ship? Have you been breeding Tribbles yet? Have you rolled up a new character to do the content you may have missed last time?
Why do you have to be maximum level to enjoy the game?
and on a side note, get a life,45 lvls in 5 days? go get some sunlight, the fact that there is no endgame is really doing you a favor.
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who was pondering that question!
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I know there's no endcontent, because, you know, Cryptic already said that more or less indirect if you are able to read between the lines (Reading Comprehension = Pure Win).
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I'm currently Cmdr 5 (Level 25), still 20 levels to go and many things to figure out.
Once I've done that, I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I very much like to try another character with a totally different race, ship, BOff and gear setup, which simply translates into: content. Although repetitive because I already know it from my first go around. I'll be doing stuff a little differently the 2nd time around then.
I'm not scolding at Cryptic because I don't have so much time on my hand like the OP does.
When I'm done with all that I want to do, I'm sure there will be new and fresh content already. Everybody has a different perception what Content means. Your lead you to complain about it, mine leads me to say "meh, I got time..". Cussing people out because of this is not very mature of you.
Ahahahaha, oh my god, did you just call everyone who likes the game a communist. This is the most epic comment I've ever seen.
I think I'm gonna get it framed.
But perhaps one thing there is a bit you can do in endgame, whats a bit sad is, that the game stops not at admiral 5, it stops at admiral 1 perhaps episode wise, sure there also will be the rush argument, but thats more unfinished, than an never finished product.
And don't let deliberate ignorance and a general lack of common sense cloud yours.
End game is usually lower priority when it comes to MMO launches. Even the almighty WoW launched with little end game content. That stuff was patched in about 6 months later. Sure, in a perfect world, a game would be 100% ready for players throughout the levels. But this aint a perfect world. Time, money and resources dictate the terms.
I'd say the big problem is it is possible to reach the end of the game so quickly. That is all the OP is saying. He can't skill up more. There's only marginal gear upgrades. There's no crafting to be seen. The game may start hemorrhaging players soon if it takes less than a week for folks to reach the level cap and then there's no more content.
It would be very bad for the game in the long run if you run out of content so quickly. Even in WoW, where you could theoretically rush to the end game, there was crafting and actually running the end game to keep you busy. Sure, i was level 60 before anyone in my guild, but that meant i was just the expert of UBRS as they reached the level cap. And no, it's not fun to run UBRS 40 or 50 times, but it's a MMORPG, and half the fun is playing with your friends and helping them. It's still content.
Cryptic will need to address the brick wall. Brick walls in content will result in loss of players and a quick death of the game. They could start by allowing characters to continue increasing their skill points past the level cap or adding more fleet actions or something.
No, he's not stalking you. Just poking fun, I think.
By the way, that's a nice new lamp in your living room.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you know how to get grass stains out of flannel pajamas?
Nope. But you might be a poser for pretending to be all high and mighty yet here you are playing the same game just at a slower pace. You try and dissect my remarks to be witty and get a gang up going. I didn't post this to get a pat on the back or whatever. I totally expected sandy little toads to come out of the woodwork and flame just like you did.
This entire thread was posted because MMOs have been out for what, going on 15 years now? Did ANYONE learn ANYTHING in that time about player trends and content? You think it's coincidence that WoW raids require forever to complete unless you're in Ensidia? Endgame content should be a STAPLE of a game, nit something that's "coming soon". There's no endgame because Cryptic was concerned about their OWN financial success, not the success of the game as a whole.
If any of you actually READ the financial report from Atari where they talked about the bonuses Cryptic would get then maybe you'd be a bit more clear on what is really going on here. I own a business and know how these things work. Seen it loads of times before even in small businesses. Peope push an inferior product out for a bonus hoping that it will sell before people see it's TRIBBLE. It's as clear as black and white to me. Sorry it's not for you.
We are not here to fill some gap in our life or prove we are best or fastest.
We are not the lvling drones of the other MMOs.
You dident even take time to enjoy the view or sounds or names.
Its not about the destination, its about the trip.
Im sry you lost your only chance to really enjoy the game.
We will add more content soon.
For now, you lost your only chance to enjoy STO.
There is only one STO and you Passed it up.
I only read your first line.
Thats all its worth to me.
hey, he never said to list GOOD mmos, did he? if i remember correctly it was just "show me some mmo without an instance or raid at endgame".
Granted he did get up there really damn fast but think of it this way, in a month there is gonna be a ton of bored figh levels out there, and whats that lead to? People leaving or griefing other players. We dont want either. Im actually surprised they didnt put something in place for high levels to do (well not that surprised CoH and CO had nothing to do end level at all) even pvp wont carry this game far if something isnt done within a month or two. How long honestly can you play a game where you get to max level, then just sit there? If it takes you a month probably not very long.
Do i belive they will put something in? sure i do, they would be morons not to the question is will it be in time to stop a majority of the people who are currently on to poney up the money to stay another month?