Yep, same problem here, my pc meets and far exceeds both minimum and recommended requirements, but even on character creation screen my video card fan sounds as though it is preparing to launch into space. This is eerily similar to the Sims 3 issues with no fps limits in the software. I've run video tests and my card only sounds like this when fps runs into the 500-600 range. The sims people did exactly the same thing first, the 2 step program. 1. Deny there is a problem. 2. Blame it all on everyone's pc at home. But having no fps cap is a problem and it's one a big software company should never have.
EA finally did admit there was a problem and are still 'working on a fix' many months later. Oddly enough, the Sims 3 is playable without burning out your video card by using a 3rd party fps limiter. Though I'm not recommending this for STO, for the record. Hell it may not even be an fps problem. But whatever the issue may be for a lot of people with this overheating 'my vid card sounds like a 747' issue, personally I recommend not playing until the issue is fixed. I already lost one video card to EA (not that I could prove it and they have the same 'we are not responsible blah blah blah' disclaimer), not gonna lose one to cryptic, sorry.
For the naysayers out there, I just refuse to believe that my system can play all my other games with settings maxed out, but that somehow the login screen for STO is just 'too intense' for my system. Yes, it even does it on the log on screen.
Its not your rig and STO is good but certainly not the most powerful game out there.
As far as im concerned the cooling issue is over and i have no desire to argue anymore since cryptic fixed there code; but seriously bro dont you think its time you stop harrassing ppl who are just being honest about problems with the game? It was the overwhelming amount of complaints that made Cryptic fix it.
Then stop following me around and replying to me like a heartbroken puppy. :rolleyes: Really, no one cares what you type anymore.
Then stop following me around and replying to me like a heartbroken puppy. :rolleyes: Really, no one cares what you type anymore.
alright man whatever if u wanna pick on ppls computers when cryptic fixed the code then go ahead bro. Just doesnt make sense now that they fixed it in game so its obvious it isnt cooling.
And your problem is that you're basing your entire hardware knowledge on running other games such as Crysis.
Oh nicely avoided there, the point that Crysis runs my temps up to 70 while STO hangs around 60 but crashes the machine before the fix went live. Allowing unlimited FPS rates is considered a coding no no when 60 is the max the human eye can deal with.
Why do you think consoles brag no more than 60fps? Because that's considered to be the point where gameplay is as perfectly smooth as it's needed to be for the human eye without asking for hotter running temperatures from average CONSUMER hardware. If you want to fit enthusiast cooling because you run your system harder than an a average consumer, that's fine but if you can run this game without crashing, and decent temp readings, with high detail at 60fps asking an average consumer to fit MORE cooling to run a game at an unlimited FPS count it totally unnecessary when it's a simple thing to do to stop in code.
If you're still running very hot temps at 60fps on low detail on average hardware, then I would agree more cooling is likely needed and you're likely having other problems with other games.
Please please please, just try and see the logic there. Or, you could post the same thing again, requiring me to remind you of this, again. Whichever you think helps you maintain your high horse position.
Crysis runs my GPU up to and over 70 degrees and doesn't crash.
STO sits at 60 degrees and did crash before the FPS patch.
So your GPU runs at 60 C when playing STO but your PC crashed before the latest patch. Perhaps this has nothing to do with overheating and everything to do with bugs in the game? If that's true, why the heck are you posting in a thread titled "Thermal and overheating issues!"? Hmmm?
If you think your GPU was overheating when playing STO and now no longer overheating after the latest patch, then you didn't use vertical sync or /maxfps and that makes sense. If your GPU was 60 C with STO and you think your PC was crashing due to overheating, then that makes no sense, so something in your statements is wrong.
Oh nicely avoided there, the point that Crysis runs my temps up to 70 while STO hangs around 60 but crashes the machine before the fix went live. Allowing unlimited FPS rates is considered a coding no no when 60 is the max the human eye can deal with.
Why do you think consoles brag no more than 60fps? Because that's considered to be the point where gameplay is as perfectly smooth as it's needed to be for the human eye without asking for hotter running temperatures from average CONSUMER hardware. If you want to fit enthusiast cooling because you run your system harder than an a average consumer, that's fine but if you can run this game without crashing, and decent temp readings, with high detail at 60fps asking an average consumer to fit MORE cooling to run a game at an unlimited FPS count it totally unnecessary when it's a simple thing to do to stop in code.
If you're still running very hot temps at 60fps on low detail on average hardware, then I would agree more cooling is likely needed and you're likely having other problems with other games.
Please please please, just try and see the logic there. Or, you could post the same thing again, requiring me to remind you of this, again. Whichever you think helps you maintain your high horse position.
A worryingly high amount of posters don't read posts.
Crysis runs my GPU up to and over 70 degrees and doesn't crash.
STO sits at 60 degrees and did crash before the FPS patch.
Heat was not a direct concern for my crashing issue. I swear to god it's like talking to my cat. That is why I make reference to Crysis,
he argued with me too until he was proven wrong. Check all the posts he did in threads against me only in the end to be proven wrong by cryptics action. Dont pay attention to him he just wants to find someone that doesnt know what was going on the last few weeks.
Go read his posts in both mine and other threads about cooling BEFORE the patch. This guy just likes to make ppl feel bad about their machines so his seems awesome in comparison. I would just leave him alone but if he feels the need to insult and harrass ppl then i feel the need to point out to every person he harrasses how wrong he is and how they can pull it up for themselves and see how he constantly belittled ppl until he was proven wrong.
Sadly i would of thought that the ingame code change would have silenced him once and for all.....I was wrong he still thinks the world is flat. Just search my previous posts and you will see what i am talking about and hopefully if enough ppl remind him that they know what happened to him then maybe he will stop.
he argued with me too until he was proven wrong. Check all the posts he did in threads against me only in the end to be proven wrong by cryptics action. Dont pay attention to him he just wants to find someone that doesnt know what was going on the last few weeks.
Go read his posts in both mine and other threads about cooling BEFORE the patch. This guy just likes to make ppl feel bad about their machines so his seems awesome in comparison. I would just leave him alone but if he feels the need to insult and harrass ppl then i feel the need to point out to every person he harrasses how wrong he is and how they can pull it up for themselves and see how he constantly belittled ppl until he was proven wrong.
Sadly i would of thought that the ingame code change would have silenced him once and for all.....I was wrong he still thinks the world is flat. Just search my previous posts and you will see what i am talking about and hopefully if enough ppl remind him that they know what happened to him then maybe he will stop.
Oh thank you oh mighty one...What would we have done without you. You're right and everyone else is wrong.......
Well I just got my comp back today after having to get it repaired. I was in game for barely five mins, when it shut off. When I turned it back on it gave me an error code. The message screen said that the system turned itself off because it got to hot. I have a small fan blowing across the bottom to keep it cool.. But the air coming out was very hot.
ETA: happened again; I knew I was in trouble when I heard the comp fans go on and it sounded like they were on high. Since I am not going to go back and read through all the pages. What are some other ways to keep overheating from happening?
Well I just got my comp back today after having to get it repaired. I was in game for barely five mins, when it shut off. When I turned it back on it gave me an error code. The message screen said that the system turned itself off because it got to hot. I have a small fan blowing across the bottom to keep it cool.. But the air coming out was very hot.
ETA: happened again; I knew I was in trouble when I heard the comp fans go on and it sounded like they were on high. Since I am not going to go back and read through all the pages. What are some other ways to keep overheating from happening?
first is it lap top or desktop
second have you wint in to game options then click on vido then click on trubel shooting.then scrall down to were you see reduse cpu/gpu turn that on and see what your temp are then
I will try that. At first I thought they had messed it up. But then I was able to play SWG no problems. I also wanted to see what happens if I played STO off just using the battery. No overheating happened. But I will still try what you suggested.
ETA: reducing teh cpu/gpu thing seems to have work. I have my comp plugged in and it didn't overheat. I never saw a temp gauge come up.
Thermal issues:
Here is the break down with thermal (overheating) related issues. First off like most of the new generation games, Star Trek online is using a higher amount of CPU, memory, and GPU power to play. What this means is since a larger percentage of your hardware is utilized so there is an increase the amount of heat is going to be generated from your system. CPUs and GPUs are designed by default to be capable of running at 100% for longer periods of time, and this is something software and hardware developers test for. So a system running at 100% is completely acceptable, and should not cause issues.
Ok...You finally admit that your game is burning up graphics cards.
1. My case was clean.
2. I had sufficient cooling. I play tons of other new games at max settings and never had an issue.
3. I was not overclocking.
Yet STO STILL BURNT UP MY GRAPHICS CARD.
Since you guys have admitted liability...
As far as I am concerned you jerks owe me $225 for a new EVGA Geforce 260 Core 216 graphics card. I'll be expecting some sort of response.
I have a new system 2 NVIDIA GTX 9800, AMD Phenom 2.4 GHZ, 8 Gig RAM, wINDOWS 7 2 WDC 500 GB drives.
I can play any game, eg LoTRO, Splinter Cell, X3 The reunion, COD 4 Modern Warfare 2 etc to name but a few, and STO is the only game where all my extra cooling fans kick in and the temp rises from a steady 40 c to over 70 c.
Ok...You finally admit that your game is burning up graphics cards.
1. My case was clean.
2. I had sufficient cooling. I play tons of other new games at max settings and never had an issue.
3. I was not overclocking.
Yet STO STILL BURNT UP MY GRAPHICS CARD.
Since you guys have admitted liability...
As far as I am concerned you jerks owe me $225 for a new EVGA Geforce 260 Core 216 graphics card. I'll be expecting some sort of response.
They didn't admit anything, nor do they need to. They gave you people with overheating PCs an option to reduce GPU usage and a default limit FPS option because of the people complaining about it. They went out of their way to help those when it's not Cryptic's problem. That's meant to help people with overheating PCs, but it doesn't magically solve problems with a GPU that overheats at full load.
As for a response from Cryptic, don't hold your breath. It's not their issue, it's yours. Thousands of others run your card and STO without any overheating issues. Why? Because it's still the fault of your own PC and/or video card. You're blaming software developers for hardware issues.
I have a new system 2 NVIDIA GTX 9800, AMD Phenom 2.4 GHZ, 8 Gig RAM, wINDOWS 7 2 WDC 500 GB drives.
I can play any game, eg LoTRO, Splinter Cell, X3 The reunion, COD 4 Modern Warfare 2 etc to name but a few, and STO is the only game where all my extra cooling fans kick in and the temp rises from a steady 40 c to over 70 c.
The code for STO can really stress your video card because it will use your GPU to process more than LOTRO, COD4, and other titles. This may be due to it actually doing more in the client or just bloated code that runs more processes than it needs to run.
70C for a 9800 GTX is fine. I'd worry if you hit 80+C. If you have the stock cooler, you probably idle at 40C temps. I used to run 8800 GTX cards and 70C is no big deal, even for years. I now run a GTX 295 Co-Op and I hit 60C temps in exploration clusters and 50C temps in regular space, as my GPUs are being worked quite a bit.
STO, just like Furmark or another GPU stress/torture software, will really put your cooling to the test. Turn down your settings, limit your FPS, and/or improve your cooling.
The code for STO can really stress your video card because it will use your GPU to process more than LOTRO, COD4, and other titles. This may be due to it actually doing more in the client or just bloated code that runs more processes than it needs to run.
70C for a 9800 GTX is fine. I'd worry if you hit 80+C. If you have the stock cooler, you probably idle at 40C temps. I used to run 8800 GTX cards and 70C is no big deal, even for years. I now run a GTX 295 Co-Op and I hit 60C temps in exploration clusters and 50C temps in regular space, as my GPUs are being worked quite a bit.
STO, just like Furmark or another GPU stress/torture software, will really put your cooling to the test. Turn down your settings, limit your FPS, and/or improve your cooling.
Thanks for the info , i''ll try it out and post back:):):):)
here is a norther note. some people get the high end cards and think that they are not over clocked
news flash. if you have a bfg/msi cards they are over clocked from them. this is y you are supposed to use there drivers from the msi or bfg web page.down loading drivers form nvidia for your card may work . but it is not the right drivers for your card.msi and bfg convert nvidia drivers to conform with the clock setting on there cards
you can use the drivers form nvidia we page . but those drivers are not made specifically for your card as the drivers form the msi or bfg web pages are
The code for STO can really stress your video card because it will use your GPU to process more than LOTRO, COD4, and other titles. This may be due to it actually doing more in the client or just bloated code that runs more processes than it needs to run.
70C for a 9800 GTX is fine. I'd worry if you hit 80+C. If you have the stock cooler, you probably idle at 40C temps. I used to run 8800 GTX cards and 70C is no big deal, even for years. I now run a GTX 295 Co-Op and I hit 60C temps in exploration clusters and 50C temps in regular space, as my GPUs are being worked quite a bit.
STO, just like Furmark or another GPU stress/torture software, will really put your cooling to the test. Turn down your settings, limit your FPS, and/or improve your cooling.
dumb question time, where do I go to limit the FPS. I updated my video driver as soon as I got my comp back. Game still says it is out of date. So I play on the lower settings. I also did that reduse cpu/gpu. I haven't had any problems since doing that, but I think taking extra steps is a good thing.
This last week my card has been showing heat stress. Last night I lost a Zotac 280 AMP! edition video card, roughly $600 US at time of purchase. I have another that I put in to run STO with. It was clocking a stable 21 frames (64c) with proper settings for the first hour of play. After that it ramped up, all by itself, to maxing out the 30fps limiter I have in place (pushing 75+c). Something/someone is jacking up hardware and it needs to be addressed.
This system is clean as a whistle, as in shiny. The ambient is fine and it idles at 42c. I do not overclock cards. What I find very telling is that for the first hour with a new primary card it ran at 21fps stable, then all of a sudden when out doing the daily mission, the game cranked up to 30+ fps (hit the cieling) and was generating serious heat. I returned to sol, and it was still maxing 30 fps instead of the 21 it had been.
dumb question time, where do I go to limit the FPS. I updated my video driver as soon as I got my comp back. Game still says it is out of date. So I play on the lower settings. I also did that reduse cpu/gpu. I haven't had any problems since doing that, but I think taking extra steps is a good thing.
go to OPTIONS then click on vido then clcik on advanced then click on trubel shooting . then slide the slide bare down again. then you should see an options that will say reduce cpu/gpu usage turn it on . and then set your fps to 60 try that
im running it with my 2009 IMAC w/vista bootcamped fine
System specs=
intell Core2duo E8435 3.06 ghz
asus p55 mtherboard
4 gigs Corsair pc3 8500 mac ram
1tb 7200 rpm western digital caviar HD
512mb ati mobility radeon HD 4850
24 inch HD monitor
My system is an all in one imac and it seems that with settings maxed im getting a temp of 98 from my GPU
it doesnt have have the best of airflow but it seems to be handle the game fine <shrugs>
not sure if itsbecause the Video card is a mobility desktop version or what.
Well, I'd never buy a Zotac brand myself. Ever. For NVIDIA cards, I'd recommend EVGA, BFG, or XFX.
My Zotac 280 AMP! served me very well. It lasted through Age of Conan, Warhammer, and now 130+ hours of STO (2 RA5s and a LtC8ish). I am not bitter about it going out. I am just concerned that the problems that expedited it's burn out wouldn't get addressed soon enough to avoid hard conditions on all the cards out there. I think the recent patch helped some, but there is some more that could be done.
One spot in particular spiked 6c on my GPU today, that was a high density micro asteroid field during a random B'Tran Borg space battle. That upper end of random asteroid density needs to be dropped down. Planets were fine with the settings I have, including the super large, grassy field maps.
As for Zotac, they are a great company so far (I can instantly reach suport and get things done), and like you, I am usually BFG only. Zotac has a lifetime warranty on these cards and I am already in RMA process. Now Zotac takes a bit longer than BFG, but I figured I would give them a try. When I bought these cards, they were the only ones out with the 280 gtx at the time so I bought them day 1 and planned a system around them. It's been a good run and that story isn't over after getting a replacement. So we'll see what happens when I actually get a card back if it's a stinker or not. They even recommended I send both cards back so they can just upgrade the set. But I am going to hold on to my other one and just rma 1.
I had some what of a overheat issue recently, but that was pretty much mostly due to dust contamination and my secondary fan is starting to give out and that was replaced. My room is generally pretty warm anyway, plus I usually have my cat sleeping on my tower....however speedfan usually says my Cpu and Gpu hovering around 50c on general use, STo was raising the overall temperature to about 80c using high settings, which prompted me to do a thorough clean up of the system, which had significant dust and cat hair build-up, now I've noticed the max temperature whilst playing STo is around 65 - 70c plus the system is generally alot quieter too since the fans are not going crazy to keep the system cooled.
My system isn't top of the line though..but it gets by.
Amd Athlon X2-6400
Asus M2N-SLi - Green edition
3GB Ram
Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme
Geforce 9800+ (EVGA Edition)
2 320GB WD Harddrives
Biggest way to prevent GPU from Overheating is turn on VSync. I have two systems. If you don't use VSync your putting more strain on your GPU than is required. Human brain can only process so many FPS(Frames Per Second), I think its around 30. When you VSync it will lock your GPU's to process for those 60 FPS and no more. Anything beyond that for FPS is pointless and just causes excessive heat because your GPU(s) are processing faster on simple frames than is required.
The power of a GPU is only needed for more complex frames. If it was so complex that your FPS dropped say from 60 to 20 with VSync turned on, it would also drop from say 1000 FPS to 20 FPS (maybe a few more FPS) with VSync turned off. Either way, its just worth the overheating of a GPU.
Now if your card is pretty old and it is trying to run the game and most frames are complex for that old card. Then yes, you could end up with a heat issue. This usually means its time for a new video card anyways. It doesn't always cost a lot of money to upgrade. The cheap nVidia 200 models should be able to run the game pretty good. However I wouldn't go to cheap. Not sure about ATI, I gave up on ATI years ago due to lack of driver support.
My Zotac 280 AMP! served me very well. It lasted through Age of Conan, Warhammer, and now 130+ hours of STO (2 RA5s and a LtC8ish). I am not bitter about it going out. I am just concerned that the problems that expedited it's burn out wouldn't get addressed soon enough to avoid hard conditions on all the cards out there. I think the recent patch helped some, but there is some more that could be done.
One spot in particular spiked 6c on my GPU today, that was a high density micro asteroid field during a random B'Tran Borg space battle. That upper end of random asteroid density needs to be dropped down. Planets were fine with the settings I have, including the super large, grassy field maps.
As for Zotac, they are a great company so far (I can instantly reach suport and get things done), and like you, I am usually BFG only. Zotac has a lifetime warranty on these cards and I am already in RMA process. Now Zotac takes a bit longer than BFG, but I figured I would give them a try. When I bought these cards, they were the only ones out with the 280 gtx at the time so I bought them day 1 and planned a system around them. It's been a good run and that story isn't over after getting a replacement. So we'll see what happens when I actually get a card back if it's a stinker or not. They even recommended I send both cards back so they can just upgrade the set. But I am going to hold on to my other one and just rma 1.
I run one of my computers with a GTX 295 and the other with 3 GTX 285's. Even with the known heat issues of the GTX 295 I can run the game at full graphics and my card isn't overheating more than usual. My 3 GTX 285's don't even raise the fan speeds. Key is running the game with VSync turned on so your not doing 1000FPS on simple graphical areas. With VSync on your probably locked at about 60 FPS. Human brain can only process about 30ish FPS.
Games these days should default to VSync on and give a warning about how turning it off can cause your GPUs to over heat due to excess processing on simple frames.
This last week my card has been showing heat stress. Last night I lost a Zotac 280 AMP! edition video card, roughly $600 US at time of purchase. I have another that I put in to run STO with. It was clocking a stable 21 frames (64c) with proper settings for the first hour of play. After that it ramped up, all by itself, to maxing out the 30fps limiter I have in place (pushing 75+c). Something/someone is jacking up hardware and it needs to be addressed.
This system is clean as a whistle, as in shiny. The ambient is fine and it idles at 42c. I do not overclock cards. What I find very telling is that for the first hour with a new primary card it ran at 21fps stable, then all of a sudden when out doing the daily mission, the game cranked up to 30+ fps (hit the cieling) and was generating serious heat. I returned to sol, and it was still maxing 30 fps instead of the 21 it had been.
Don't count on setting limits using external software. Using some 3rd party software or even software that comes with your video card to limit FPS will not limit what the game will ask your GPU to process. A lot of the 3rd part or hardware FPS limits are used to help reduce tearing. I'm assuming that is an nVidia 280 GTX. It should be able to handle graphics at full and only raise temps from about 40 to 60 C. The key is turning on VSync so the game isn't telling your card to process more than 60 FPS. On simple graphics my 3 GTX 285's can put out 9999 FPS. My GPU temperatures sky rocket. And if I use VSync, I don't see any difference between a locked 60FPS and 9999 FPS because of what the human brain is limited FPS wise.
Hardware:
System Information
Time of this report: 1/17/2010, 08:01:26
Machine name: M4CHIN3
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: P5K SE/EPU
BIOS: BIOS Date: 03/14/08 11:20:57 Ver: 08.00.12
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.4GHz
Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 3328MB RAM
Page File: 1440MB used, 5211MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
DxDiag Version: 6.01.7600.16385 32bit Unicode Display Devices
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 260
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05E2&SUBSYS_12603842&REV_A1
Display Memory: 2288 MB
Dedicated Memory: 881 MB
Shared Memory: 1407 MB
Current Mode: 1680 x 1050 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: ASUS PnP Monitor
Monitor Model: ACI VW192
Monitor Id: ACI19AE
Native Mode: 1680 x 1050(p) (60.262Hz)
Output Type: HD15
Driver Name: nvd3dum.dll,nvwgf2um.dll,nvwgf2um.dll
Driver File Version: 8.16.0011.9062 (English)
Driver Version: 8.16.11.9062
DDI Version: 10
Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 8/17/2009 00:57:00, 7569920 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-46A2-11CF-9478-6B321EC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x05E2
SubSys ID: 0x12603842
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Star Trek Online Client Graphic Settings:
Display Mode: Fullscreen
Fullscreen Resolution: 1680x1050
Fullscrenn Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Brightness: 100%
Aspect Ratio: Auto Monitor Vertical Sync: Off
Half Resolution: Off
Antialiasing: 4x
Dynamic Lighting: On
Lighting Quality: High
Max lights per object: 5
Max shadowed lights: 3
Texture Anisotropic Filtering: 16x
World texture quality: 100%
Character texture quality: 100%
World detail distance: 100%
Terrain detail distance: 100%
Character detail distance: 100%
Show high detail objects: On
Max physics debris objects: 100
Postprocessing: On
Visual fx quality: High
Shadows: Off
Bloom quality: High
Bloom intensity: 100%
Screen-space ambient occlusion: On
Cinematic focus(depth of field): On
Underwater view: Off
Reflection quality: High
Trouble Shooting Options:
Framerate Stabilizer: Off
Auto-stabilize framerate: Off
Limit CPU usage when inactive: Off
Multi-core rendering: On
Use full detail character animations: On
GPU-accelerated particles: On
Reduced file streaming: On
Software Cursor: Off
GPU Temperature reaches 104C after reaching the 5th spawn in the Eihress system the system then green screens and the computer will only respond to a cold reboot.
Conversely Sector Space and other Episodic areas only get the GPU temperature up to around 86C.
One last thing... if you are experience Video Lag and are running 2 video cards in SLI (have no clue about ATI crossfire though). Make sure you download and install SLI software each time you update your video drivers.
Comments
Its not your rig and STO is good but certainly not the most powerful game out there.
Then stop following me around and replying to me like a heartbroken puppy. :rolleyes: Really, no one cares what you type anymore.
alright man whatever if u wanna pick on ppls computers when cryptic fixed the code then go ahead bro. Just doesnt make sense now that they fixed it in game so its obvious it isnt cooling.
For real man stop picking on ppls rigs
oh and i remember someone following me around an awful lot before the fix proved them wrong....just saying:rolleyes:
Oh nicely avoided there, the point that Crysis runs my temps up to 70 while STO hangs around 60 but crashes the machine before the fix went live. Allowing unlimited FPS rates is considered a coding no no when 60 is the max the human eye can deal with.
Why do you think consoles brag no more than 60fps? Because that's considered to be the point where gameplay is as perfectly smooth as it's needed to be for the human eye without asking for hotter running temperatures from average CONSUMER hardware. If you want to fit enthusiast cooling because you run your system harder than an a average consumer, that's fine but if you can run this game without crashing, and decent temp readings, with high detail at 60fps asking an average consumer to fit MORE cooling to run a game at an unlimited FPS count it totally unnecessary when it's a simple thing to do to stop in code.
If you're still running very hot temps at 60fps on low detail on average hardware, then I would agree more cooling is likely needed and you're likely having other problems with other games.
Please please please, just try and see the logic there. Or, you could post the same thing again, requiring me to remind you of this, again. Whichever you think helps you maintain your high horse position.
A worryingly high amount of posters don't read posts.
Crysis runs my GPU up to and over 70 degrees and doesn't crash.
STO sits at 60 degrees and did crash before the FPS patch.
Heat was not a direct concern for my crashing issue. I swear to god it's like talking to my cat. That is why I make reference to Crysis,
So your GPU runs at 60 C when playing STO but your PC crashed before the latest patch. Perhaps this has nothing to do with overheating and everything to do with bugs in the game? If that's true, why the heck are you posting in a thread titled "Thermal and overheating issues!"? Hmmm?
If you think your GPU was overheating when playing STO and now no longer overheating after the latest patch, then you didn't use vertical sync or /maxfps and that makes sense. If your GPU was 60 C with STO and you think your PC was crashing due to overheating, then that makes no sense, so something in your statements is wrong.
he argued with me too until he was proven wrong. Check all the posts he did in threads against me only in the end to be proven wrong by cryptics action. Dont pay attention to him he just wants to find someone that doesnt know what was going on the last few weeks.
Go read his posts in both mine and other threads about cooling BEFORE the patch. This guy just likes to make ppl feel bad about their machines so his seems awesome in comparison. I would just leave him alone but if he feels the need to insult and harrass ppl then i feel the need to point out to every person he harrasses how wrong he is and how they can pull it up for themselves and see how he constantly belittled ppl until he was proven wrong.
Sadly i would of thought that the ingame code change would have silenced him once and for all.....I was wrong he still thinks the world is flat. Just search my previous posts and you will see what i am talking about and hopefully if enough ppl remind him that they know what happened to him then maybe he will stop.
Oh thank you oh mighty one...What would we have done without you. You're right and everyone else is wrong.......
Now please go away.
whatever but it wasnt a cooling issue. Dont know why youre so upset about me being right about the game. Not might but in the end i was right.
ETA: happened again; I knew I was in trouble when I heard the comp fans go on and it sounded like they were on high. Since I am not going to go back and read through all the pages. What are some other ways to keep overheating from happening?
first is it lap top or desktop
second have you wint in to game options then click on vido then click on trubel shooting.then scrall down to were you see reduse cpu/gpu turn that on and see what your temp are then
ETA: reducing teh cpu/gpu thing seems to have work. I have my comp plugged in and it didn't overheat. I never saw a temp gauge come up.
Ok...You finally admit that your game is burning up graphics cards.
1. My case was clean.
2. I had sufficient cooling. I play tons of other new games at max settings and never had an issue.
3. I was not overclocking.
Yet STO STILL BURNT UP MY GRAPHICS CARD.
Since you guys have admitted liability...
As far as I am concerned you jerks owe me $225 for a new EVGA Geforce 260 Core 216 graphics card. I'll be expecting some sort of response.
I can play any game, eg LoTRO, Splinter Cell, X3 The reunion, COD 4 Modern Warfare 2 etc to name but a few, and STO is the only game where all my extra cooling fans kick in and the temp rises from a steady 40 c to over 70 c.
They didn't admit anything, nor do they need to. They gave you people with overheating PCs an option to reduce GPU usage and a default limit FPS option because of the people complaining about it. They went out of their way to help those when it's not Cryptic's problem. That's meant to help people with overheating PCs, but it doesn't magically solve problems with a GPU that overheats at full load.
As for a response from Cryptic, don't hold your breath. It's not their issue, it's yours. Thousands of others run your card and STO without any overheating issues. Why? Because it's still the fault of your own PC and/or video card. You're blaming software developers for hardware issues.
The code for STO can really stress your video card because it will use your GPU to process more than LOTRO, COD4, and other titles. This may be due to it actually doing more in the client or just bloated code that runs more processes than it needs to run.
70C for a 9800 GTX is fine. I'd worry if you hit 80+C. If you have the stock cooler, you probably idle at 40C temps. I used to run 8800 GTX cards and 70C is no big deal, even for years. I now run a GTX 295 Co-Op and I hit 60C temps in exploration clusters and 50C temps in regular space, as my GPUs are being worked quite a bit.
STO, just like Furmark or another GPU stress/torture software, will really put your cooling to the test. Turn down your settings, limit your FPS, and/or improve your cooling.
Thanks for the info , i''ll try it out and post back:):):):)
news flash. if you have a bfg/msi cards they are over clocked from them. this is y you are supposed to use there drivers from the msi or bfg web page.down loading drivers form nvidia for your card may work . but it is not the right drivers for your card.msi and bfg convert nvidia drivers to conform with the clock setting on there cards
you can use the drivers form nvidia we page . but those drivers are not made specifically for your card as the drivers form the msi or bfg web pages are
dumb question time, where do I go to limit the FPS. I updated my video driver as soon as I got my comp back. Game still says it is out of date. So I play on the lower settings. I also did that reduse cpu/gpu. I haven't had any problems since doing that, but I think taking extra steps is a good thing.
This system is clean as a whistle, as in shiny. The ambient is fine and it idles at 42c. I do not overclock cards. What I find very telling is that for the first hour with a new primary card it ran at 21fps stable, then all of a sudden when out doing the daily mission, the game cranked up to 30+ fps (hit the cieling) and was generating serious heat. I returned to sol, and it was still maxing 30 fps instead of the 21 it had been.
go to OPTIONS then click on vido then clcik on advanced then click on trubel shooting . then slide the slide bare down again. then you should see an options that will say reduce cpu/gpu usage turn it on . and then set your fps to 60 try that
Well, I'd never buy a Zotac brand myself. Ever. For NVIDIA cards, I'd recommend EVGA, BFG, or XFX.
System specs=
intell Core2duo E8435 3.06 ghz
asus p55 mtherboard
4 gigs Corsair pc3 8500 mac ram
1tb 7200 rpm western digital caviar HD
512mb ati mobility radeon HD 4850
24 inch HD monitor
My system is an all in one imac and it seems that with settings maxed im getting a temp of 98 from my GPU
it doesnt have have the best of airflow but it seems to be handle the game fine <shrugs>
not sure if itsbecause the Video card is a mobility desktop version or what.
My Zotac 280 AMP! served me very well. It lasted through Age of Conan, Warhammer, and now 130+ hours of STO (2 RA5s and a LtC8ish). I am not bitter about it going out. I am just concerned that the problems that expedited it's burn out wouldn't get addressed soon enough to avoid hard conditions on all the cards out there. I think the recent patch helped some, but there is some more that could be done.
One spot in particular spiked 6c on my GPU today, that was a high density micro asteroid field during a random B'Tran Borg space battle. That upper end of random asteroid density needs to be dropped down. Planets were fine with the settings I have, including the super large, grassy field maps.
As for Zotac, they are a great company so far (I can instantly reach suport and get things done), and like you, I am usually BFG only. Zotac has a lifetime warranty on these cards and I am already in RMA process. Now Zotac takes a bit longer than BFG, but I figured I would give them a try. When I bought these cards, they were the only ones out with the 280 gtx at the time so I bought them day 1 and planned a system around them. It's been a good run and that story isn't over after getting a replacement. So we'll see what happens when I actually get a card back if it's a stinker or not. They even recommended I send both cards back so they can just upgrade the set. But I am going to hold on to my other one and just rma 1.
My system isn't top of the line though..but it gets by.
Amd Athlon X2-6400
Asus M2N-SLi - Green edition
3GB Ram
Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme
Geforce 9800+ (EVGA Edition)
2 320GB WD Harddrives
The power of a GPU is only needed for more complex frames. If it was so complex that your FPS dropped say from 60 to 20 with VSync turned on, it would also drop from say 1000 FPS to 20 FPS (maybe a few more FPS) with VSync turned off. Either way, its just worth the overheating of a GPU.
Now if your card is pretty old and it is trying to run the game and most frames are complex for that old card. Then yes, you could end up with a heat issue. This usually means its time for a new video card anyways. It doesn't always cost a lot of money to upgrade. The cheap nVidia 200 models should be able to run the game pretty good. However I wouldn't go to cheap. Not sure about ATI, I gave up on ATI years ago due to lack of driver support.
I run one of my computers with a GTX 295 and the other with 3 GTX 285's. Even with the known heat issues of the GTX 295 I can run the game at full graphics and my card isn't overheating more than usual. My 3 GTX 285's don't even raise the fan speeds. Key is running the game with VSync turned on so your not doing 1000FPS on simple graphical areas. With VSync on your probably locked at about 60 FPS. Human brain can only process about 30ish FPS.
Games these days should default to VSync on and give a warning about how turning it off can cause your GPUs to over heat due to excess processing on simple frames.
Don't count on setting limits using external software. Using some 3rd party software or even software that comes with your video card to limit FPS will not limit what the game will ask your GPU to process. A lot of the 3rd part or hardware FPS limits are used to help reduce tearing. I'm assuming that is an nVidia 280 GTX. It should be able to handle graphics at full and only raise temps from about 40 to 60 C. The key is turning on VSync so the game isn't telling your card to process more than 60 FPS. On simple graphics my 3 GTX 285's can put out 9999 FPS. My GPU temperatures sky rocket. And if I use VSync, I don't see any difference between a locked 60FPS and 9999 FPS because of what the human brain is limited FPS wise.
Turn VSync ON
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_multigpu_SLI_profile_update_v4.html
or if you use EVGA
http://www.evga.com/articles/00463/
not sure about other nVidia GPU manufacturers.
Always check for SLI profile / enhancement updates or reinstall after each driver update.
And once again, for all those who are overheating there GPUs... its not the code. Its cause your running the game with VSync turned off.