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Changing STO lore [SPOILERS for Star Trek: Picard]
snowwolf
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So now that the new Picard series is awfully destroying most of our good Star Trek lore, will Star Trek Online be changed to follow the lore laid down in Star Trek Picard?
For example Mars is totalled destroyed and is a huge fireball by the 2400's, will it be removed from the game? What about the lore about the Excalibur being developed there etc?
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Because it's established that the crust of the planet is physically destroyed, Mars is only a small fireball from 2380 to the 2400's. Nothing to build on, it's totally destroyed.
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> Not sure where you got this from, but no, it isn't.
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> All they say in Picard is that the synths attacked, and that the attack ignited the gases in the planetary atmosphere, which caused the planet to be on fire to this day. They make no mention of the entire planetary crust being destroyed.
Exactly, heck it doesn't even suggest Mars is unoccupied during ST: Picard, these flare ups in the atmosphere could be only occasional.
And...they may have or not, distance the Current look of ST, from the Kelvin timeline.
And for Mars burning, and still is...is lazy writing. For the amount of technology possessed by the Federation, that fire would have been out, and the rebuilding would have begun. The UP is too important to be left alone burning.
Just too important.
Considering that real life cities that were literally hit with a nuke were eventually rebuilt (yes Hiroshima and Nagasaki still exist today and IIRC are fairly prominent cities) and rebuilding Utopia Planitia would be seen as symbolic gesture (especially if it comes to light that the "synth" attack had going for it then just some badly treated androids).
I can see them rebuilding Utopia Planitia just to show the galaxy that the synth attack didn't crush them. Is it efficient use of resources, no not really but it is logical.
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yes Mars will be rebuilt, but the TIME would be considerable. (I used the nuking to note the level of damage done. the planet's basicly been flattered, and given the nature of the damage they'd have to likely work to give it an atmosphere all over again. we're talking 50-100 years work even with present federation tech, unless they're willing to ressurect the genisis device).
and in the meantime UP's not gonna be a thing, or a greatly reduced thing (nothing stopping them from keeping the orbital docks staffed) I imagine a lot of other ship yards will be quietly pushing for increased funding to expand while this happens. there isn't a currancy in the federation anymore no, but I imagine each shipyard takes pride in the ships it produces and there's compeition for the spot of "the federations premier shipyard"
> I honestly, think we need to see the whole first season play out before the Devs have to make a final decision about these questions.
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I agree , way, way too soon for devs to know what to do about the first season of Picard in STO, we've seen only 1 episode.
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And cloning Data's entire positronic brain from a single cell?! C'mon!
Supposedly the positronic brains have a form of holographic information storage which would mean a small part would have a copy of the whole thing more or less. Not sure if something like that would be practical but it is good enough for TV science fiction (which tends to be more fantasy-like) anyway.
Where are you pulling these figures? People, stop raging about the new shows destroying everything you know and love. Mars is burning in PIC. And then, in 2405 or so, they reverse the polaron flow of the atmospheric deflectors while bombarding the outer atmosphere with subnucleonic tetryons and it'll be fine again.
Sheesh.
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Yeah that is absurd too. It is literally no different than cloning your hard drive from a single electron. A positron is simply an antimatter electron, an electron with a positive charge. It would have made more sense and been perfectly believable if they just said they downloaded it from B4. Why go with utter fantasy? This is supposed to be science fiction.
Mars continuing to burn is impossible which is really what bothers me most with the Mars thing. It seems like this show has no science advisors.
As anyone should know, if you have a fire there are several ways to end it. Deprive it of O2, deprive it of fuel or deprive it of heat. Cover a grease fire with a lid and what happens? It suffocates and dies. I'm open to other possibilities of why Mars is still burning, but I see no reason to believe it is anything other than your standard O2 combustion which is why suggesting it is still burning 10ish years later is absurd.
If the atmosphere of Mars was ignited, which is actually fairly plausible in the right circumstances that could plausibly have made it a ticking time bomb, then what happens? The O2 burns with whatever fuel is available until there is no more O2 or no more fuel. What that does not do is destroy the atmosphere, it just tuns all that O2 into various combustion products.
The planetwide fire would last a week at best, probably no more than a few days, as the O2 is quickly gobbled up and in the process kills all the plants that are likely the only sources of both O2 and fuel as the Federation has long since moved beyond using combustibles for any serious applications. And once the fire dies, the heat necessary for that chain reaction is going to dissipate.
I'd say its even plausible there are a lot of survivors who survived in airtight buildings made from the future materials the Federation has, and could be beamed out before their building turned into an unlivable oven or ran out of O2 itself. There would unquestionably be a lot of damage, but not necessarily catastrophic, except to the ecosphere. Rebuilding would really not be that big of a problem in the end, as Earth is right there, most of the materials the buildings are made of are probably not actually that combustible, but may well take damage from the heat and should be salvageable if not repairable.
But once the fire is out, what are you left with? It is the aftermath of a forestfire. Burnt plants everywhere with some seeds and roots surviving in an atmosphere extremely rich in CO2. They would very quickly start to regrow like every forest after a fire, and start reoxygenating the atmosphere, provided they can also get the water they need, and the Federation can obviously hasten that process.
Now on Earth forests take a while to regrow thanks to extremely low CO2 levels, however as Mars was supposedly terraformed by adding more CO2 to the atmosphere until the pressure was high enough to raise the temperature to a livable level, then Mars could be an insane farming colony and these forests would regrow at an amazing pace. As greenhouse operators know, if you pump in more CO2 into your greenhouse, plants grow significantly larger in the same amount of time. It is also a fact that as CO2 levels on Earth rise today, it is getting greener based on satellite photos. Of course, this issue could also be what created the ticking time bomb in the first place, producing way more O2 than was consumed leading to an ever growing O2 concentration in the atmosphere just waiting for the spark.
Therefore I conclude it is actually plausible that Mars is mostly back to normal by the time STO starts. It certainly is not still a fireball.
My theory is that it's basically the same as the STO Romulan arc. The Tal Shiar vs. the Republic. The Tal Shiar wanted a lot of their people to be killed so the attack was specifically to stop the rescue mission. They took over the synthetics to do this. With less people they have a better chance of coming to rule.
For me the biggest lore questions is with B4 not becoming Data. But I think this might be unresolved in Picard. I mean they were able to make daughters from something. So maybe Data is out there somewhere in some format.
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The way it sounds from the show, that the ships were built on the ground * references from the Kelvin Timeline* and then finish in space. *although never mentioned in full to how the ships were built period*
Second, the Mars atmosphere was flammable? How the heck is that so, and why? If you are ship building on the planet, wouldn't you have atmosphere scrubbers to cut down the toxic effects.
Mars looks to be designated as a pure Industrial site with no care to the atmosphere.
As per the usual, lazy writing...
All of DATA's creation is artificial, not one part of him is organic, expect in the ST movie with the Borg Queen, give him some flesh on the arm, which was later removed by the gas in engineering.
They are pushing *the show writers*, you can get life or memories reading from a single neuron from DATA. all parts of him was internally powered for him to remain active. And when that power is gone, none of the so called neurons don't retain any information, cause they are just pathways to pass instructions for functionality.
His entire brain is the key on what makes him, for his personality, to how he interacts with his surrounds, and to how he learns to see the differences between things. It is like saying, oh...your RAM memory on your PC has a hidden code to how your PC works, and we can get the basic or essence information layout to how it works.
*Face palm*
I on the other hand have no problem with Star Trek Online sticking to the Prime timeline canon and that it does not handcuff story. Also, even the Prime timeline has been temporally affected by events in the Star Trek TV shows and movies.
It may be nearly impossible that STO stays canon, for example, look at the Android ban, we have Androis BOFFs.. are they going to remove them?
Romulan story arc may be completly diferent to Picards (we may see yet, but is possible).
Borg story also may change from Picard, and especialy the liberated Borg story.
I agree, we need to wait until seasons end, but is possible that the best way foward is to make STO an alter universe.
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This is one reason I don't even watch TV anymore, just my dvd and vhs libraries.
Mars was the perfect place for a shipyard because of the low gravity. The major parts of the spaceframe for vessels, in Federation ships usually being saucer, engineering section and nacelle's were built and assembled on the surface of Mars.
Once completed, they were lifted into the orbital facilities in order to be fully assembled into a starship, according to the tech manuals from TNG era. You can also kinda see a glimpse of this in one of the TNG episodes.
Once the ship was whole so to speak, it would usually be moved into a closed drydock for interior construction.
Here you see the saucer, engineering section and nacelle's of a Galaxy Class starship being constructed on the surface of Mars.