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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,685 Community Moderator
    Conspiracy theories are not helpful.
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  • marcase2marcase2 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    I understand that the Foundry was a drain on Cryptic's programmer time/resources trying to fix its bugs and the cumbersome UI, but totally deleting it is rather... rash.

    I thoroughly enjoy the foundry, especially when you discover a mission that is both entertaining and actually adds to Trek's lore (be it non-canon). I also understand that many foundry maps were used to complete endeavors/accolades, but that could've been solved easily by not letting them count for any of the said endeavor/accolade.

    I hope(d) that Cryptic would just keep the foundry as is, warts and all, and let the community simply know that this is it, the final foundry version that will not be updated but will still be available as a sandbox to play in.

    The comment that *only* 40% of the player base uses it, is a void argument, as that is not small by any standard. 2% is small, or even 20%. At 40% it means that at least 1/3rd of the playerbase visits the foundry for exploration, fleet meets, testing of builds, training grounds, space barbie and yes, completing accolades/endeavors that are too cumbersome or otherwise impossible to complete otherwise (salt vampires).

    Ideally, the gems of the created foundry missions should have a sort of featured mini-episode option - I'd hate to see all the hard work by foundry authors just disappear into the Great Cyber Beyond...

    Cryptic, please reconsider.


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  • gingi101gingi101 Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    This is so disappointing. One of the few things that kept me going in the long wait for new episodes was the foundry and without it, I fear my love for the game will fade quicker than it already is. Usually I play for a few months, then stop, and begin a few months later, but without this I feel those gaps are going to be a lot longer.
  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,666 Arc User
    this is like Skynet being activated, i would rather see personal endeavors go. not the foundry
  • rhazedurilerhazedurile Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    Extremely disappointed by this move. The Foundry was the thing that kept me coming back to this game. The ability to create my own environments and stories was a big talking point for me when explaining why I liked this game. I cannot truly express how deep my disappointment runs with this decision.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,642 Arc User
    Well that sucks.

    I remember back when it was introduced, I had some ideas for making my own missions. I actually did some on Tribble, but I never followed up on it on Holodeck. I always wanted to, but never got around to it. And then never really played any missions.
    And I kinda had the dawning suspicion that whatever was keeping me from making or playing Foundry missions, it is not going away, so it will never happen.

    I guess that kinda mimics Crypic's developer view - they always wanted to do great things with Tribble, but they never got around to actually do them, and now they have to accept the fact that all the reasons that stopped them from doing it will never go away, and they will consequently never really make something more out of it.

    It's a real shame. So much unrealized potential.


    @ambassadorkael#6946, does Cryptic have any plans to preserve the Spotlight missions or anything? Or is that just (practically) impossible with the way the Foundry was implemented?
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  • starfarerthetastarfarertheta Member Posts: 738 Arc User
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,635 Arc User
    edited March 4
    1) not implementing something that every other MMORPG have: a simple "I shoot him first - the kill is mine", which is essential when you're trying to get kill in any kind of public zone without a group (i.e. Undine Battlezone, Nukara, etc. etc.)
    The only MMOs that have that system are old, and hated for it.

    Pretty much every modern MMORPG has a "you do damage, you get credit" system like STO does.
    marcase2 wrote: »
    The comment that *only* 40% of the player base uses it,
    It was LESS THEN 40%. On Pc, this doesn't include consoles which don't have it, so the number is far lower.


  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,275 Bug Hunter
    What an astonishingly stupid decision. The Foundry was a selling point that set the game apart. It was also the only bit of the unknown in a MMO supposedly based upon the Star Trek franchise. You know, 'to boldly go'?

    So what's left? Endless repetitions of TFOs and a single episode every few months? Wow! How unique and original. Really making the most of that IP there.

    Instead of paying somebody to come up with stupid ideas, like single character locked material you can sell over the odds, pay somebody to actually develop a major part of your game.

    I didn't care about Season 13 or Delta Rising because rebalancing is inevitable and the power creep will always take you back to where you started if you wait long enough, but this is brainless. There's more to developing games than just keeping things ticking over until your next Promo Box event.

    Speaking of, that should be dropping soon, are you hoping the DSC Conni will distract people somewhat?​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • eazzieeazzie Member Posts: 1,939 Arc User
    Sad news yes. But I am sure the decision was not taken lightly and been made for a greater good whatever that may be. But with that said. In the Terms of Service that we have all electronically agreed to it does state ..... 25.3 We have the right at any time with or without reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as we see fit in our sole discretion.

    Over the years Some great content has been removed. But we've moved on and got over it.
  • jennycolvinjennycolvin Member Posts: 322 Arc User
    1) not implementing something that every other MMORPG have: a simple "I shoot him first - the kill is mine", which is essential when you're trying to get kill in any kind of public zone without a group (i.e. Undine Battlezone, Nukara, etc. etc.)
    The only MMOs that have that system are old, and hated for it.

    Pretty much every modern MMORPG has a "you do damage, you get credit" system like STO does.

    "Hated for it". Sure thing mate, whatever you say.
    Conspiracy theories are not helpful.

    I'm sorry if this sound rude, but what do you want us to do? The post about it is in no way the whole truth, nor is it believable as it is. They must have a reason, so why not come out and say it immediately? Not that they are ever gonna answer to this thread - 'cause it's apparently not nice to criticize someone's work, and I'm talking about those that do so in a respectful manners, not the trolls - but I can bet they are watching and they will say whatever it is that, based on this thread, they will judge to be the most "acceptable" answer so as to minimize backslash from this decision.
    You can't really fault us for going with "conspiracy theories" when they are not being honest with us to begin with.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,635 Arc User
    marcase2 wrote: »
    "Hated for it". Sure thing mate, whatever you say.
    It is. Every MMO today that I've seen that still has it has a large number of people asking it to be changed because all it does is enable kill stealing, and makes getting the "kill 20X" missions done because now everyone is fighting for the same kills instead of sharign them like in STO.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,405 Arc User
    /salutes the Foundry Authoring Community

    Since Season 3 of STO, your community of creators has been a cornerstone of growth for this game. I've admired all of you for enduring the many ups, downs, and ups again of The Foundry each time the game updates broke it. Re-authoring from scratch at times. That's dedication that makes the STO community a positive gaming environment.

    For all the digital bits that are our games, I hope you guys at least get a real t-shirt to commemorate your experiences.

    To Cryptic, I'm rather disappointed to read this decision having been made. Star Trek Online will not be better for the loss. As this was our player alternative when you removed the Genesis System. Without indication of any alternative from the company. Whenever any of us pleaded for exploration content, our player critics were always quick to pounce by pointing to The Foundry. Telling us to do it ourselves as the Dev Team has better things to do.

    Now those passionate creators won't even be able to do that much for the rest of us to enjoy.

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  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 511 Arc User
    This is so disappointing and seems to be reflecting a massive downward spiral for the game. What the heck is going on over at Cryptic?

    People saying only 40 % or so people use it. That seems like a significant portion of the userbase. I imagine cryptic would be pretty unimpressed if 40 % of players just gave up on the game like they're giving up on the foundry. There were some exceptional missions and its a massive disappointment seeing these go from the game.
  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 5,084 Arc User
    This was something I honestly expected to happen years ago. It happening now though makes me wonder... What took them so long?! :P
  • centurian821centurian821 Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    However, the legacy knowledge required to maintain the Foundry at our quality standards is no longer available.

    It is my understanding that this means not that they want to close it down, but that they no longer have the personnel, code, facilities, etc. to maintain it.

    I will certainly miss the Foundry as will many, but I would like to echo an earlier question. The ability to make missions will be gone on April 11th, but can we please still play those that have already been made?
  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,635 Arc User
    People saying only 40 % or so people use it
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    And that's only on PC, 0% of the console players use it since it isn't on consoles.
  • mattdoodymattdoody Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    What a kick in the teeth to everyone who has played or written a foundry mission.
    Its no secret that the foundry has gone unloved for many years now. Is this because you dont think the foundry is a money maker? There are people in our fleets and friends throughout the game who see the foundry and the ultimate end game. To be able to write and create your very own Star Trek themes missions. Be the hero of your very own Star Trek episode. Wow what a fantastic hook to get people involved in a game.

    Ive logged hundreds of gaming hours just playing the foundry alone. ive even tried my hand at trying to create my own missions. the respect i have for anyone who will take time out of their day and create their own missions for not only their own enjoyment, but for the enjoyment of everyone else in the game is something to be admired.

    I really do hope that you see that bringing down the foundry will do nothing but hurt the playerbase.
    im saddened to say that im not even sure i will want to play STO anymore. it really hurts me to say that. i love this game. i love that i get to be the captain of my own story, and i love that ive been able to share in others creativity. Those foundry authors who have kept me playing this long and who without their contribution would have most likely given up 2 years ago.

    Keeping the foundry is not only the right choice for the playerbase but also the smart choice for your own bottom line.
  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,137 Arc User
    edited March 4
    So, now the Devs will not have competition… :p
    … and I personally think, that at least some of the Foundry missions were much better than the last 2 episode arcs - meaning both: "Age of Discovery" and "Mirror of Discovery"
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    Don't even get me started on the "great" idea of pushing some queues/TFOs as a filler between episodes...
  • natthaannatthaan Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    I am just as sadden to see the foundry go, since the very first day I started playing STO when the game went F2P, I always greatly enjoyed the chance to see what other players have created. But rather then being mad it's ending, I say we should all raise a glass and be glad we got the chance to use it and celebrate the good times.
  • glassguitarglassguitar Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    Worst ... decision … ever.
  • fun4ever#6757 fun4ever Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    Dont care, im playing STO not coz foundry ...

    And now ... vast majority of foundry players using it to cheating/exploiting "Personal Endeavor" ...
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,275 Bug Hunter
    And now ... vast majority of foundry players using it to cheating/exploiting "Personal Endeavor" ...

    {Citation needed]​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • darkbladejkdarkbladejk Member Posts: 1,912 Community Moderator
    I'm sorry if this sound rude, but what do you want us to do? The post about it is in no way the whole truth, nor is it believable as it is. They must have a reason, so why not come out and say it immediately? Not that they are ever gonna answer to this thread - 'cause it's apparently not nice to criticize someone's work, and I'm talking about those that do so in a respectful manners, not the trolls - but I can bet they are watching and they will say whatever it is that, based on this thread, they will judge to be the most "acceptable" answer so as to minimize backslash from this decision.
    You can't really fault us for going with "conspiracy theories" when they are not being honest with us to begin with.

    Conspiracy theories in this instance are just that, theories not based in reality. What evidence do you believe you have that you're not being told the whole truth? I appreciate a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, especially alien conspiracy cause reasons, but spreading rumors based on what you yourself admit is incomplete information does not help. Folks are free to voice their disapproval of the situation provided it's kept civil.
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  • gulremalgulremal Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited March 4


    RIP Foundry
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,685 Community Moderator
    Conspiracy theories are not helpful.

    I'm sorry if this sound rude, but what do you want us to do? The post about it is in no way the whole truth, nor is it believable as it is. They must have a reason, so why not come out and say it immediately? Not that they are ever gonna answer to this thread - 'cause it's apparently not nice to criticize someone's work, and I'm talking about those that do so in a respectful manners, not the trolls - but I can bet they are watching and they will say whatever it is that, based on this thread, they will judge to be the most "acceptable" answer so as to minimize backslash from this decision.
    You can't really fault us for going with "conspiracy theories" when they are not being honest with us to begin with.


    Well, I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but maybe you could try just taking them at their word rather than spout nonsense. They have admitted to no longer having the developers that had the knowledge about the system to maintain it. They have admitted to not having the resources and time to maintain it and continue to develop other areas of the game.

    Those ARE the reasons that the Foundry is coming down and they have said as much.

    That you chose not to believe them is on you. And quite frankly, even if they did have more to say on the subject, you've presented yourself as someone who wouldn't necessarily believe that either. After all, they're the developers and what they say can't be trusted, right? There's always going to be some other secret reasons, some conspiracy to you lot as to why. So, yes, I can "fault" you for going with your conspiracy theories when you're not going to believe what you're told anyway.
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  • dalolorndalolorn Member Posts: 3,651 Arc User
    Good god.

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,903 Arc User
    Wow, the foundry goes the way of the exploration clusters. This is sad.

    I wasn't a big promoter of it, I didn't even think it was a important part of STO in a recent poll. Still I wouldn't have expected it to just be axed like they did with the clusters. Never developed, never maintained and then removed due to quality issues.

    No Sir, I don't like it.
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  • somtaawkharsomtaawkhar Member Posts: 6,635 Arc User
    edited March 4
    mattdoody wrote: »
    Is this because you dont think the foundry is a money maker?
    No, it's because they know most people don't care.

    This isn't even exclusive to STO. Bethesda games such as the Elder Scrolls series, and the newer Fallout games, are famous for their vast modding communities. There are nearly 60,000 mods for Skyrim alone. However, while this number seems impressive, based on Bethesda's actual data, less then 20% of PC players actually use mods, even less use them frequently. Even with the introduction of mods on consoles, even LESS people use mods there then on PC.

    The simple fact of the matter is, it doesn't matter how famous the community is, how good you make the tools, how easy you make it to find this stuff, the overwhelming majority of video game players simply do not care in the slightest about user generated content at all, and will never use it no matter how much is offered.

    This is why most games don't even bother to release modding tools, and why even Bethesda has taken longer and longer each time to release the Creation Kit modding tools for each new game they make. It isn't simply isn't worth their time since they know no matter how much effort they put into it the vast majority of people just don't care.
  • chanfron66chanfron66 Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    People saying only 40 % or so people use it
    LESS THAN
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    And that's only on PC, 0% of the console players use it since it isn't on consoles.

    39.9999999999% is less than 40% :wink:
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