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Foundry Sunset, April 11th, 2019

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  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    I don't understand Cryptic logic at all.

    The Foundry authors are some of the most dedicated players in the whole game, actually creating entire missions for players, not just flying round in the existing game.
    If you wanted to TRIBBLE off a more dedicated group of players who devote a huge amount of time and effort to the game then I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone worse to target.

    And then there are all the players who actually use the Foundry created content; either because they enjoyed the missions, they wanted more to do when Cryptic's own release schedule was drier than a Vulcan desert, or maybe just because it helped with ship testing/endeavors/socialising etc.

    Even if less than 40% of players used it, i'm assuming that means more than 30% so that is still around 1/3rd of the players. By comparison how many players make use of the Romulan faction......or the Jem'hadar faction? Yeah.....probably less than 1/3rd of the players.

    You're removing content to improve the game....

    So seeing as you'll not be wasting all those precious resources maintaining enormously massive task (/s) of keeping the Foundry running we'll see a vast improvement elsewhere in the game now?
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    Somehow I seriously doubt that will be the case with you guys.....
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  • djxprimedjxprime Member Posts: 522 Arc User
    Star Trek Online, it was fun while it lasted. The Foundry was my go-to for story content when the usual grind got stale (which was often). Now I have even less motivation to log on. Perhaps it's time to call it a day. If-for any reason you change your mind-give me a holler.
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  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,073 Arc User
    I am kind of sad. I understand the reasoning behind this up to a certain level, however I think STO (and probably Neverwinter too) will be poorer for this. On the commercial front I wonder whether this will not be a setback once STO runs out of canon based content and switches to maintenance, whenever that may be, considering that mods have kept many a game alive way past its sell-by date. But mostly I am sad.
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  • hippiejonhippiejon Member Posts: 1,581 Arc User
    Last Two News Items
    Foundry Spotlight Mission
    Foundry Sunset Announcement
    That's an insult.

    Everyone else has already expressed many of the feelings I have about this.
    I cannot fathom how they came to this decision.
    I am floored by the news.
    In equal parts angry and sad.

    I really want someone specific to blame.
  • sophia#6343 sophia Member Posts: 63 Arc User
    As one who played the Foundry missions several times a week, I'm going to miss this feature of the game. It's a sad day for me. I'd like to thank all the creators of the Foundry missions who put their blood, sweat and tears into making the missions. Goodbye Foundry, RIP. :'(
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  • blingdenstonblingdenston Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    This is really sad. First Exploration Clusters, now Foundry...so many of the things that made this 'Star Trek' Online are falling by the wayside.
  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 893 Arc User
    Yet another feature of this game removed and likely never to be replaced...
    • Memory Alpha;
    • Exploration Clusters;
    • First Contact Missions;
    • Borg/Undine storyline cuts (9 episodes removed, 4 inserted);
    • Romulan Mystery storyline cuts (14 episodes removed, 4 inserted - we lost some good stuff here);
    • Cardassian storyline cuts (14 episodes removed, 4 inserted - again, we lost some cracking stuff here);
    • Delta Quadrant Patrol Wrappers (not a massive loss here, but they helped point you in the right direction);
    • Klingon War storyline cuts - we lost some great stuff here too;
    • Featured Episode journal entries (leading to massive plotholes in the overall STO storyline);
    • ...and now the Foundry!
    If they keep on going like this, they won't have any game left... :'(
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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 614 Arc User
    Dumb move on cryptics part. Foundry was a hallmark of STO and one of its major driving force. To remove the foundry is to cut off your own nose to spite your face.

    Thank you to all the authors that made their works available to us fellow players.
  • chinook0010chinook0010 Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    I am in agreement with everything else that has been stated. This is the opposite of a smart move. Honestly it was foolish to not at least do maintenance on the Foundry (which really in the last few years was zip - talk about letting yourself go!).

    I did not see in comments outside of the adventure, the exploration and the fun that will be lost, was that roleplaying will die further than it has. Roleplayers or anyone slightly interested in roleplaying LOVE custom maps. In the foundry, if I wanted a pool party, I could make a map with an awesome pool and deck. Roleplayers and others have created some incredible maps in the foundry as well. Honestly, some foundry work puts 90% of the dev team to shame. Considering the Foundry was broken, almost unusable, had more bugs than the entire Hurq population people still made maps that rivaled anything we've had of late. That's gotta count for something. Plus there are so many mechanics that you cannot do normally (Jetpack combat anyone?).

    Many of the comments I see are from Cryptic's best and repeat customers - loyal fans of the game and long time vets. That is a major loss of revenue that was likely very consistent. At the least, this announcement has shaken that core and for what? a system they never loved but their loyal customers did. The foundry was cool and is clearly going to be missed myself included. The game is going in a questionable direction and now a large core of players are ready to declare "All hands! Abandon ship!". There is now less diversity in the STO's gameplay but I guess cryptic doesn't care. I hope I am wrong and we see an announcement that we are getting a replacement that is equivalent or better specifically for user generated content. Likely I am hoping in vain.

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  • drudgydrudgy Member Posts: 367 Arc User
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    While I'm sad to see the Foundry go, I salute all the people who made missions and gave us a chance to experience them. I have been fortunate myself to author several missions, and even had a KDF mission selected as a spotlight. One of the high points of my time in STO. It's very hard work and time consuming, but well worth the rewards it offered. We have a chance to experience these missions one last time, so I encourage you to share your love for these authors once more and thank them for their contributions.
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  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,665 Arc User
    not having the resources and time to maintain it.

    i would suggest put a pack out, related to foundry. char slots 5-10 ,xp ,ec ,dil , ...
    not having the developers that had the knowledge about the system to maintain it.

    i am sure after the success of the pack sale ,devs can be found to manage the system.
  • lostyuslostyus Member Posts: 208 Arc User
    This is really sad news.

    I've played the Foundry for years and always loved coming back to it, even the last year (where you've left the search function broken) I've still tried to use it.

    This isn't a threat, but with you removing the Foundry I will be playing a lot less and I will be spending a lot less (I don't know if I will spend anything any more.)

    The reason being is that you don't release much content (no blame here) so when I'd finished grinding out a new rep and/or doing whatever event was on i would always move onto the Foundry. There was always something to play in the Foundry, and with me having played this game for years I have played the story arcs over and over and TBH I don't feel like playing them again. So that is why i go to the Foundry missions, there was always something new I hadn't played to bring me back to the game, to keep me spending.

    Why would I buy a new ship if all I have to use it on is maybe 1 or 2 new missions, and 1 or 2 new queues? If i bought a new ship those new missions and/or queues would maybe keep me entertained for a day or 3, then I would stop playing again as I have hammered the games content over the years I have played. That doesn't make me what to spend money on a new ship I won't use much.

    It is known that Devs can't create content fast enough for the players to consume so the Foundry was always there with somehting new to play to keep players logging in. The foundry was unique in online games, I really wish more games would implement something like this because some players do actually enjoy story content, instead of just playing queues every day.

    1/3 of the player base playing Foundry is no small number and if you take the Foundry away you will leave the game a lot smaller for it. I feel this way and a third of your customers could also feel this way.

    With the foundry in your game it could be argued that you have the most content in any online game, think of how many hours it would take for a player to finish all of your content and all of the Foundry content. That can be an attractive selling point to people. There would have always been missions for people to play and to use their new ships on.

    *Note to the Foundry content creators.*

    Thank you for all the great stories you've made, and for giving me something to keep returning to the game for.

    I appreciate the time you've spent making these missions and they will be missed.

  • stormstryke2stormstryke2 Member Posts: 218 Arc User
    A lot of pages already so this may have been asked. But are those "rewards" for since the Foundry was created years ago or only during the last revamp that required some to be taken down and updated missions?
  • bentillerbentiller Member Posts: 41 Arc User
    So I very seldom speak out in these kinds of threads and I'm certain my opinion means very little to the people in charge, who, in all likelihood won't read or see this - but removing the Foundry removes a very unique and attractive aspect to this (these) games. Otherwise, the majority of the game is an endless grind, repeating the same missions and the same actions over and over again until you finally simply give up and leave the game.

    Foundry allowed, not only us to enjoy unique player-sponsored content, but also allowed us something different when we were fed up with TFOs or Episodes or dilithium grinding. With the Foundry being removed, I have no doubt there will be a good portion of people leaving the game, I myself may be one of them. If it is at all possible to keep at least the old missions alive, or to introduce something that functions like the foundry, allowing player creativity and love for Star Trek (in particular) be seen.

    I cannot underline or emphasize enough how important Foundry operations are to games like STO and how very necessary it is to take the time and effort to protect and work it back up to these Standards you've named. It's worth the wait, it's worth the effort.
  • dkeith2011dkeith2011 Member Posts: 576 Arc User
    Yet another feature of this game removed and likely never to be replaced...
    • Memory Alpha;
    • Exploration Clusters;
    • First Contact Missions;
    • Borg/Undine storyline cuts (9 episodes removed, 4 inserted);
    • Romulan Mystery storyline cuts (14 episodes removed, 4 inserted - we lost some good stuff here);
    • Cardassian storyline cuts (14 episodes removed, 4 inserted - again, we lost some cracking stuff here);
    • Delta Quadrant Patrol Wrappers (not a massive loss here, but they helped point you in the right direction);
    • Klingon War storyline cuts - we lost some great stuff here too;
    • Featured Episode journal entries (leading to massive plotholes in the overall STO storyline);
    • ...and now the Foundry!
    If they keep on going like this, they won't have any game left... :'(

    This.

  • thecrimsonrevengerthecrimsonrevenger Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    Please oh please oh please oh please let this be a really mean spirited April Fool's Joke
  • coldnapalmcoldnapalm Member Posts: 7,712 Arc User
    So...they really seem to not really want my money it seems.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,367 Arc User
    First, a big thank you to everybody who spend his or her free time on creating some great missions for the Foundry, be it a story mission or a simple endeavor grind one.

    I had always hoped that one day, an exploration revamp would come to STO, and the Foundry would play a big part in it. What could have been easier for Cryptic? They would create a new UI, the players create the content. But it wasn't to be.

    There goes one of the greatest assets STO ever had, and one of the most neglected one. The Foundry was choked to death by lack of attention, abundance of bugs and a terrible UI.
  • postagepaidpostagepaid Member Posts: 2,415 Arc User
    Peoples usage of the foundry would vary quite a lot given that a fair chunk of the quality missions could be fairly time consuming. If someone knows they won't be online for all that long they're more likely to opt for some quick and d

    The 40% less than 40% of whatever % without proper context isn't that useful.

    Cool that foundry folk are getting the botany bay, although it's a shame its not that detailed in the screenshot, pretty sure they have at least one window on it somewhere.

    A better nod would be to make at least the spotlit missions a permanent feature in sto, Who knows maybe working with the foundry talent might rub off on the cryptic side.
  • omegaher0omegaher0 Member Posts: 103 Arc User
    This not only saddens me, but also frightens me. Taking such a popular feature out of the game is sometimes followed by the game's shuttown being announced. I have played STO since it went F2P and enjoyed my time, despite all the issues, and the Foundry was the best part of that! I have played several missions that were very fun and enjoyable! Taking that away for whatever reason is NOT the right thing to do!
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 8,222 Arc User
    If you can't keep developing it, then ok.. but I really don't get why it should be completely removed.

    I don't really use the Foundry myself, but this is honestly not a very good decision. If you want to stop updating it, ok.. but it seems silly to just remove the feature completely.
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  • velquavelqua Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    I am sad to see the Foundry go. I just want to thank everyone for their efforts. I especially want to thank those who actually played my missions. Good luck to all.
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  • qqqqiiqqqqii Member Posts: 409 Arc User
    Slick move, playing this card in the middle of an LTS sale. Not smart, guys.
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,934 Arc User
    There is supposed to be some sort of video chat about the foundry .... does anyone have the link???
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  • stormstryke2stormstryke2 Member Posts: 218 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    There is supposed to be some sort of video chat about the foundry .... does anyone have the link???

    Twitch and Facebook page for the game
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,179 Arc User
    Well theres no plans right now to replace the foundry in the future so thats me done with STO.
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,934 Arc User
    where2r1 wrote: »
    There is supposed to be some sort of video chat about the foundry .... does anyone have the link???

    Twitch and Facebook page for the game

    The video on Facebook is freezing...for some reason. I guess I could try twitch
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 3,476 Arc User
    In short from the Stream:-

    It was too labour and cost intensive to maintain.
    No replacement planned for the Foundry.
    Foundry Missions and data WILL be saved, but not accessible.
    Man-power spent on Foundry will be diverted to the main game.
    and NO, STO is not shutting down anytime soon.
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