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Foundry Sunset, April 11th, 2019

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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 9,975 Arc User
    edited March 5
    I believe them when they said they didn't have the resources for this. I mean if they didn't have the resources or know-how to provide the Daily Account Bonus of Lobi during Featured Episode Rerun Events after the person who did it left, then they surely couldn't handle this.

    If they couldn't get Delta Marks Boxes to self open when they introduced the Delta Reputation when all others already had it, and couldn't fix that before they had a Bonus Marks Weekend. This could have been a catastrophe but we got a fix that removed the Bonus for the Daily Mark Bonuses before that Event. Then surely they couldn't support Foundry.

    Removing 'Investigate Officer Reports' was a foretelling of this, and probably cut down the number of people to that less than 40%.



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  • broadnaxbroadnax Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    People saying only 40 % or so people use it
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    And that's only on PC, 0% of the console players use it since it isn't on consoles.

    Even at "less than" 40%, that is still a significant percentage of the playerbase for a particular system in any MMO. It is a larger percentage than those who participate several other portions of this game, as has been pointed out. Doesn't matter how artistically you note that it is "less than," we are still talking about a relatively large segment of the player population.

    Not that it matters now, but it is okay for people to express their sadness and opinions about an enjoyable part of the game being discontinued.

    Unless Cryptic can start churning out decent episodes faster, this will leave a major hole in the game for a lot of players. I don't enjoy raids or PvP; I rely an a good selection of episode content to enjoy the game (I have been enjoying STO from beta and as a lifetimer, in spite of the bumps in the road along the way).
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,149 Arc User
    Another step towards turning STO into a brain-dead linear process it seems..

    I have a lot to rant on the topic, but as the Borg would paraphrase: Feedback is irrelevant.
  • nickcastletonnickcastleton Member Posts: 1,176 Arc User
    One thing that wasnt clear on the livestream was weather these "rewards" for creating a story would only go to current published missions or to people who have ever publisished a mission.
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  • myobxinfinitymyobxinfinity Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    I know the real reason the foundry is ending. Enterprising creators were making missions that streamlined the onerous endeavor process, and you want to force people to play STFs.

    Well congratulations, you just committed suicide. The foundry was a rare spot of color in a drab and tedious game. Good luck finding new jobs after this fiasco.
  • haarddhaardd Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    SMH
    something to look forward to no more

    most unfortunate decision
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 5,933 Arc User
    I know the real reason the foundry is ending. Enterprising creators were making missions that streamlined the onerous endeavor process, and you want to force people to play STFs.

    Well congratulations, you just committed suicide. The foundry was a rare spot of color in a drab and tedious game. Good luck finding new jobs after this fiasco.

    OH... why did they close the Foundry in Neverwinter???
    Do they have Endeavors that they added recently??? I have not played that game in a while.
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 3,311 Arc User

    where2r1 wrote: »
    I know the real reason the foundry is ending. Enterprising creators were making missions that streamlined the onerous endeavor process, and you want to force people to play STFs.

    Well congratulations, you just committed suicide. The foundry was a rare spot of color in a drab and tedious game. Good luck finding new jobs after this fiasco.

    OH... why did they close the Foundry in Neverwinter???
    Do they have Endeavors that they added recently??? I have not played that game in a while.

    Actually, yes, NW will have it's version of the 'Endeavor System' soon:
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  • captaincelestialcaptaincelestial Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    I played a few Foundry episodes in my time, so hat's off to the Foundry.

    Would be nice if the better ones (such as the Spotlight missions, and possibly the runner-ups as well) was given some polish (i.e. using modern, non-legacy, maps and assets, etc.) and placed under the subheading of Foundry in the Available Missions section of the Mission Journal.

    Or maybe the stories, with permission to do so from the Foundry authors to weave the Spotlighted missions into the story arcs.

    Another possibility is to recreate them as selectable holodeck missions that can be accessed by going to the ship's holodeck, Starfleet and Klingon Academies, and holosuites at DS9, for example.
  • acidbuk#5004 acidbuk Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    I don't post much, mostly because I don't like to complain but this is..I can't say Short Sighted because I can almost guarantee that a great deal of thought was put into it, but lets be real this was a decision made by the Cake Eaters and Bean-Counters who want to push more Gamble Lock-Boxes because they are easier and make far more money for less effort.

    I am incredibility disappointed to see the Foundry go, especially given how new content is drip fed, We've had 4 new DSC missions since VIL, I know content takes time, and that's okay, I really enjoyed VIL which is why the Foundry was a great way of filling in the blanks between content drops. All this really does it player will come back for major content drops, and then log back off again until the next. Content Creation in the Foundry was something I was really looking forward to getting into in the future, now I'm glad I didn't. I can't imagine how all of the foundry creators feel right now.

    I think this decision will be catastrophic to the game as a whole,
  • myobxinfinitymyobxinfinity Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    One more note. Look at your reviews on Steam, guys. Overall: Mostly positive. Recent: Mixed. And most of the positive reviews mention the foundry. You're really crashing hard. This is not a survivable mistake if you persist.
  • lordkaballordkabal Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    Cryptics writers must've finally had enough of being overshadowed by the community members putting out better stories than they do. This is yet another bad decision in a string of bad decisions that will harm the game in the long term. Just like the silence over the removal of the Elite Starter Pack and replacement with the per character crapshow that is the elite services starter pack...
  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,354 Arc User
    I feel sorry for all the foundry authors. The foundry was the only thing that keep me loging in to STO.
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  • bearitto#8959 bearitto Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    This is about as anti-player as you can possibly get. Yikes!
  • jawellerjaweller Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    Well after 8 years and more then 2,000 hours in STO, with most of that time playing and replaying missions, its been a good long run. I just wanted to thank all the all of the Foundry Authors for all of the great, interesting stories, missions and overall experience. LLAP
  • doradostodoradosto Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    This is a shame. A real shame. Cryptic was known for two things that stood out in the MMO space... character customization (I'm looking at you CoX R.I.P.) and player created content. You are shutting down one of your cornerstones. One of the things that made you stand out from the rest. Instead of sunsetting a system that was a hack of the developer version anyways, why not give us something that allows players to create content easier and fix the interface so we're able to find good stories and arcs. You guys could just go full time into churning out loot box content instead and sit back and count yer cash while we do all the work after that. The foundry was so useful for telling a story and for making custom environments for fleets and RP. This is a mistake and I'm guessing some of your metrics will show it in the long run.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    Not surprised. I was worried when PWE took over, this game was going to end up being a grindy [fourletterword]fest. Fleet grinds, reputation grinds, event grinds, now these silly endeavors.

    I was hopeful when Foundry was put in, tested it on tribble, and published a pair of missions on live, but a series of critical mistakes kneecapped it from the start.

    Rewards were always pathetic. Foundry creation took huge amounts of time to do a good mission, and in the end we get 100 dilithium at best as a tip. At the current exchange rate, that amounts to 1/3 of a penny's worth of Cstore points, doesn't it? No its not all about the Cstore, but the fact is the effort to reward ratio was way off. The fact that the only tip possible was dilithium made it worse, since people do have a lot of need for the stuff, and might be less willing to part with it than say credits, reputation marks, or even gear. Any author is therefore left with the choice, do I spend all kind of time making a great mission and maybe I can get enough dilithium to buy a reputation shield in a month at best, or do I play the game, advance my characters, do the reputation grind, because that's all stuff I can't do while authoring missions?

    The game has been a series of half done things from launch, and I had hoped Foundry would be different, but the bean counters win again, cutting something off without giving it enough time and effort to really bear fruit by improving the design.

    The sad thing is, I took a break from this grindy game for a few years. I come back recently and see an email from a year ago by someone who wondered where one of my Foundry missions went. An update broke it and I never knew it. I took 3-4 hours to relearn what I had to to fix what ultimately amounted to shifting a few dialog boxes around and republished it. Why? Because one person cared about what I created, and the effort I put in. I don't even know if they got to play it again, or if they will before its gone.

    I really wish I had more time to put in this game into actually playing the Foundry missions that other people put time and effort into. This is something that always frustrated me, because I had to make that choice, grind for my characters and the silly amount of things to do, or play something interesting. I always told myself, hey, as soon as I finish this grind, I'll have pletny of time to play all the Foundry missions I want. I never did, there was always another grind, and Foundry missions would never help them, which was a huge flaw.

    Fundamentally, the Foundry was never desgined well, it was never designed to truly mesh with the rest of the game and the direction towards grind, neither for author or player. This is Cryptic's and PWEs fault for not getting those systems to work together, when it boils down to it. Don't blame the players for not playing a poorly thought out system.
  • rjoy79rjoy79 Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    Sounds like the death of STO tbh. Many people who I know, have played through all the content, then come back regularly to play Foundry missions. They will only come back now, when a new mission drops. The grind grind grind gets boring after a while and the Foundry was my only real escape from it.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 6,575 Community Moderator
    Geez, seems all the conspiracy nuts and doomsayers are really showing up for this one. :smirk:
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  • alchevsk1992alchevsk1992 Member Posts: 280 Arc User
    Watch, when the Foundry goes bye-bye so will most of the players. Who knows maybe in a few weeks or months this will be a dead game.
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  • glassguitarglassguitar Member Posts: 424 Arc User
    Geez, seems all the conspiracy nuts and doomsayers are really showing up for this one. :smirk:

    With good reason, this is a terrible, terrible idea.
  • veridian02veridian02 Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    Geez, seems all the conspiracy nuts and doomsayers are really showing up for this one. :smirk:

    I have resisted the tempation to say anything... Everything is already said. But this comment, comming FROM A MODERATOR is unaccepteable. I've been forum moderator, and this go against every single rule possible from an official forum.
  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    Yeah, as others as said- given the timing with the launch of the Endeavor system this looks like they are getting rid of the Foundry to force replay of specific Dev content. I hope that wasn't the case.

    The given reason is just about as bad, it sums up as "We can no longer afford to maintain the game we produced, so we're removing sections to reduce the work load to something we can handle". An evil side of me thinks, "Yeah, the income drop you've received from DSC based content has to be balanced somewhere"- but I don't have any evidence that this is really the case. Just wishful thinking.

    In the end however, the reason doesn't matter. What is, just is.

    And I will make my future play decisions based upon what is. I haven't decided yet, it depends upon how much of a burden Endeavors now become.

    Hopefully they'll raise the rate of Endeavor Re-roll tokens so it becomes a wash. If they don't, we'll know the reason was to force certain content.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 3,447 Arc User
    edited March 5
    saybu wrote: »
    Incompetent moderator showing up.
    veridian02 wrote: »
    Geez, seems all the conspiracy nuts and doomsayers are really showing up for this one. :smirk:

    I have resisted the tempation to say anything... Everything is already said. But this comment, comming FROM A MODERATOR is unaccepteable. I've been forum moderator, and this go against every single rule possible from an official forum.

    Very much doubt you were a moderator veridian. And BMR is correct and appropriate in what he said.

    And the fact your post counts are so low lends much to your credibility....NOT! Recently created to just troll so you don't get your real accounts moderated....shame, shame.

    And apologies BMZ....It's rare I react so. :lol:
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  • spielman1spielman1 Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    I find the reason they closed it rather humorous, they say so they can keep the quality of the game up, yet of all the years I have played since Beta test and threw pay to play and such I have seen the missions and story arcs get worse and worse and worse shorter and shorter. You can ell most are just rushed out as when they release theme there is a good months worth in some cases of fixing bugs in that mission that are easily found in properly tested over a period of time.
    Ships have also gotten weirder and weirder from Tron ships to Tron 2.0 ships to ships that are even in the right faction in some cases design wise and look wise to a point, you wanna boost quality stop releasing missions and story lines that have more bugs and issues than a Studebaker on bolt lose day. DO proper testing internal and on the tribble test server from players that will test the missions and content if bugs are reported and issues reported delay the release period and work on it so when it is released mission or story or expansion it has quality and trust that there will be a few bugs as humanly possible and that if bugs are reported there it isn't a weeks or months of constant patching for bugs that are reported on tribble test.
    Have the Developers actually read interpret and gather information on reported bugs no matter how little or old and not Community Contributors that dismiss anything and everything or ask for proof when it is confirmed by more players, if other players confirm asking for proof does nothing, all the player have done is confirmed the bug itself. SO asking for pictures and recordings of the issue and problem on bugs requiring secondary sites to do so doesn't help that over complicates the reporting system, and makes reporting bugs unattractive and underused as it isn't simple and easy.
    Look at what player have been complaining about on the forums removing posts cause they don't agree with something or ask for something and shoving those into posts that you know wont get attention doesn't help either, they are taking there time to complain about something least you can do as a company is ask why take that information on board and fix that issue or complaint to best you can so much you can do in programing.
    Most complaints I do see are bugs issues that have been reported before more than once in some cases years and never responded and or handled correctly but when a system is broken that has to do with money or exchange of goods those get fixed right away but when weapons bridges and whole ships don't work pray they fix it cause 98 percent of time they are ot addressed, read and or handled properly.
    Removing the forums to increase quality when it isn't there in the first place doesn't help either all you have done is remove a feature under a promise of better quality when there isn't quality at all or quality control for issues, bugs, ships and story telling, entire story Arcs incomplete, entire factions ignored ship wise story wise and told they are coming when the majority of players lough and say will believe when see it. That doesn't help either when the player base as it has expanded more players do play the game but quality isn't something you just make it is something you strive for and wont settle for anything less.
    As a player if you delay a release of an expansion or ships due not measuring up to a set standard, take time fixing reported problems that are actual fixes and not patch arounds, take more time to do better story telling, add ships to the other factions no matter how big or small. I don't mind the delay then if the product when released is good quality work, story telling and completed arcs over time is good and makes me forget the grind I don't mind either you will probably get more money and profit from me over delaying shady work and taking time to fix problems and release good top quality ships and stories and Entire Arcs doesn't bother cause then I know you are holding yourself to a high standard and quality and wont settle for ok just to met dead lines.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 34,464 Arc User
    However, the legacy knowledge required to maintain the Foundry at our quality standards is no longer available.
    It is my understanding that this means not that they want to close it down, but that they no longer have the personnel, code, facilities, etc. to maintain it.

    I will certainly miss the Foundry as will many, but I would like to echo an earlier question. The ability to make missions will be gone on April 11th, but can we please still play those that have already been made?
    Coding is complicated, and figuring out how someone else coded something might take months. That's why the recent issues have been so bad, the Foundry code isn't being maintained by the people who made it and the current team need to reverse-engineer it to fix it. that takes several times as long as new development does.
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  • foxman00foxman00 Member Posts: 661 Arc User
    Geez, seems all the conspiracy nuts and doomsayers are really showing up for this one. :smirk:

    That surprises you? :)

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