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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @reyan01 said:

    > It'll be interesting to see if they follow-through with what they did have planned. A cut-scene at the end of 'Will you take my hand' had MU Georgiou approached by Section 31....
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    What they have planned, already been leaked we're going to see a very emotional Spock. Which I am not thrilled for, unless there are some major extenuating circumstances. Like the few times it happened to Spock, something major went down.

    And I swear, if they pull the stunt I am afraid they are going to between Spock and Burnham, the fit will hit the shan.
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  • reyan01reyan01 Member Posts: 12,394 Arc User
    talonxv wrote: »
    > @reyan01 said:

    > It'll be interesting to see if they follow-through with what they did have planned. A cut-scene at the end of 'Will you take my hand' had MU Georgiou approached by Section 31....
    >

    What they have planned, already been leaked we're going to see a very emotional Spock. Which I am not thrilled for, unless there are some major extenuating circumstances. Like the few times it happened to Spock, something major went down.

    And I swear, if they pull the stunt I am afraid they are going to between Spock and Burnham, the fit will hit the shan.

    Hadn't seen anything pertaining to that.
    My comment was entirely focused on what they may or may not do with Emperor Georgiou, with the attached cut scene (her invitation to join Section 31) in mind.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @reyan01 said:
    > talonxv wrote: »
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    > > @reyan01 said:
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    > > It'll be interesting to see if they follow-through with what they did have planned. A cut-scene at the end of 'Will you take my hand' had MU Georgiou approached by Section 31....
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    > What they have planned, already been leaked we're going to see a very emotional Spock. Which I am not thrilled for, unless there are some major extenuating circumstances. Like the few times it happened to Spock, something major went down.
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    > And I swear, if they pull the stunt I am afraid they are going to between Spock and Burnham, the fit will hit the shan.
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    > Hadn't seen anything pertaining to that.
    > My comment was entirely focused on what they may or may not do with Emperor Georgiou, with the attached cut scene (her invitation to join Section 31) in mind.

    It's in a recent article from Kertzman. I have a bad feeling about how they are going to portray Spock.

    I got the interview second hand from Overlord DVD on YouTube. I can't find it myself ATM and warning he hates DSC more than anyone I've seen but here it is:

    Yes he's over dramatic and plays up the evil villain for fun, but that's the only place I've seen the article.

    So just watch with a healthy dose of salt.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,582 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    I was using hyperbole to make a point. The actual distance being "a few dozen LYs" doesn't make it any more believable. ;)
    Yes, psychic powers, believable, sure.

    *points at TMP and how Spock knew where V'Ger was before the crew of Enterprise did*
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 9,944 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    Here is the article that moron in the above YouTube video is referencing https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-discovery-season-2-spock-different/... to save everyone from having to suffer through watching more than 3 seconds of it.
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  • patrickngopatrickngo Member Posts: 9,812 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    Here is the article that moron in the above YouTube video is referencing https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-discovery-season-2-spock-different/... to save everyone from having to suffer through watching more than 3 seconds of it.

    THANK YOU!!! (I tried to watch it, I could feel the assault on my intelligence...if I'd suffered through it too much longer I might've become a Discovery fan...)
    whatever.

  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,313 Arc User
    Spock being "emotional"? You mean something like this?

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,295 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Spock being "emotional"? You mean something like this?

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    Great example could also be Spock realizing that he didn't murder Kirk.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @valoreah said:
    > Here is the article that moron in the above YouTube video is referencing https://www.tvguide.com/news/star-trek-discovery-season-2-spock-different/... to save everyone from having to suffer through watching more than 3 seconds of it.

    Thx. I couldn't find it at the time.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 9,944 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    THANK YOU!!! (I tried to watch it, I could feel the assault on my intelligence...if I'd suffered through it too much longer I might've become a Discovery fan...)

    LOL!

    You're very welcome. I'm glad my suffering benefited others.



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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @valoreah said:
    > patrickngo wrote: »
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    > THANK YOU!!! (I tried to watch it, I could feel the assault on my intelligence...if I'd suffered through it too much longer I might've become a Discovery fan...)
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    > LOL!
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    > You're very welcome. I'm glad my suffering benefited others.

    I only watch him for comedic value and he's a half decent voice actor. Though with his discovery rants I know he's going WAYYY off the deep end.

    I just hope DSC gets better, and not blow it with Spock. But I got a bad feeling about this.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,687 Arc User
    Well, being emotional is not the problem. Vulcans are an emotional people who feel so strongly their lead culture decided to control it to not cause harm. Remember that Spock could feel a beings emotion, fear and pain via a mind-meld and catalyse it.

    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
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  • valoreahvaloreah Member Posts: 9,944 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.

    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @valoreah said:
    > angrytarg wrote: »
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    > What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
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    > Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.

    And many a desk would be flipped.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 33,582 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.
    Or reveal that T'Pol is Archer's cousin. :p Remember the way "Carbon Creek" ended? It turned out that one of T'Pol's ancestors was part of a crew of 3 Vulcan who went to Earth. The episode suggested that none of them left descendants on Earth, but it had the two guys doing assorted jobs and Mestral spent a bit more time interacting with Maggie than the others thought was proper and got left behind when they returned to Vulcan. Did Mestral procreate with any Humans? It's a possibility but not examined in the episode.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 34,135 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.

    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.

    Yes. It would also be really stupid, contrived, self-destructive, insulting, etcetera, etcetera.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,714 Arc User
    valoreah wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.
    Or reveal that T'Pol is Archer's cousin. :p Remember the way "Carbon Creek" ended? It turned out that one of T'Pol's ancestors was part of a crew of 3 Vulcan who went to Earth. The episode suggested that none of them left descendants on Earth, but it had the two guys doing assorted jobs and Mestral spent a bit more time interacting with Maggie than the others thought was proper and got left behind when they returned to Vulcan. Did Mestral procreate with any Humans? It's a possibility but not examined in the episode.

    It is extremely difficult for Human/Vulcan Hybrids to exist without advanced medical technology for it to succeed. After all, Humans and Vulcans have completely different blood chemistry with Human blood based on iron and Vulcan blood based on copper. So even if Vulcans tried to procreate with Humans unless the Human had some weird biochemistry or Vulcans used their advanced science, then it wouldn't happen. It is probably easier for a Human and a Chimpanzee to have a Hybrid child since they both have the same biochemistry.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,313 Arc User
    edited August 2018
    starkaos wrote: »
    valoreah wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.
    Or reveal that T'Pol is Archer's cousin. :p Remember the way "Carbon Creek" ended? It turned out that one of T'Pol's ancestors was part of a crew of 3 Vulcan who went to Earth. The episode suggested that none of them left descendants on Earth, but it had the two guys doing assorted jobs and Mestral spent a bit more time interacting with Maggie than the others thought was proper and got left behind when they returned to Vulcan. Did Mestral procreate with any Humans? It's a possibility but not examined in the episode.

    It is extremely difficult for Human/Vulcan Hybrids to exist without advanced medical technology for it to succeed. After all, Humans and Vulcans have completely different blood chemistry with Human blood based on iron and Vulcan blood based on copper. So even if Vulcans tried to procreate with Humans unless the Human had some weird biochemistry or Vulcans used their advanced science, then it wouldn't happen. It is probably easier for a Human and a Chimpanzee to have a Hybrid child since they both have the same biochemistry.
    This would be reasonable - but it's not the way Star Trek treats it. Thanks to the Progenitors, all sapient species in the Galaxy have LEGO genetics, and can interbreed completely accidentally. (Yes, I know it would have been more likely for Amanda to have had a child with an ear of corn than with Sarek - they share an evolutionary history, after all, while Vulcans are completely alien - but that's not Trekgenetics.)



    As for Spock's previously unknown adopted sister, I've pointed out repeatedly - Spock didn't tell his best friend in the entire galaxy who his father was, until Sarek was aboard the Enterprise and Kirk tried to make Spock take shore leave to visit his parents. He nearly died rather than tell his physician about pon farr. If it hadn't been for alien spores, nobody aboard would have known he'd had a serious relationship with a Human girl while he was at the Academy. And then there was his half-brother, of whom nobody knew anything until after Sybok had already seized control of Nimbus III (and, IIRC, the Enterprise - I'm not going to go watch that poorly-written, poorly-directed piece of Star Drek again just to remember the sequence of events). Basically, Spock doesn't tell anyone anything about himself unless he has to.
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  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 34,135 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    starkaos wrote: »
    valoreah wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    What will be problematic is the story revolving around the shoehorned-into-canon foster sister who appearantly is the sole reason for Spock being Spock as we know it, though naturally has no impact on actual canon as she never existed before. And I think it remains questionable why they go this way. It's so... Unnecessary.
    Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.
    Or reveal that T'Pol is Archer's cousin. :p Remember the way "Carbon Creek" ended? It turned out that one of T'Pol's ancestors was part of a crew of 3 Vulcan who went to Earth. The episode suggested that none of them left descendants on Earth, but it had the two guys doing assorted jobs and Mestral spent a bit more time interacting with Maggie than the others thought was proper and got left behind when they returned to Vulcan. Did Mestral procreate with any Humans? It's a possibility but not examined in the episode.

    It is extremely difficult for Human/Vulcan Hybrids to exist without advanced medical technology for it to succeed. After all, Humans and Vulcans have completely different blood chemistry with Human blood based on iron and Vulcan blood based on copper. So even if Vulcans tried to procreate with Humans unless the Human had some weird biochemistry or Vulcans used their advanced science, then it wouldn't happen. It is probably easier for a Human and a Chimpanzee to have a Hybrid child since they both have the same biochemistry.
    This would be reasonable - but it's not the way Star Trek treats it. Thanks to the Progenitors, all sapient species in the Galaxy have LEGO genetics, and can interbreed completely accidentally. (Yes, I know it would have been more likely for Amanda to have had a child with an ear of corn than with Sarek - they share an evolutionary history, after all, while Vulcans are completely alien - but that's not Trekgenetics.)



    As for Spock's previously unknown adopted sister, I've pointed out repeatedly - Spock didn't tell his best friend in the entire galaxy who his father was, until Sarek was aboard the Enterprise and Kirk tried to make Spock take shore leave to visit his parents. He nearly died rather than tell his physician about pon farr. If it hadn't been for alien spores, nobody aboard would have known he'd had a serious relationship with a Human girl while he was at the Academy. And then there was his half-brother, of whom nobody knew anything until after Sybok had already seized control of Nimbus III (and, IIRC, the Enterprise - I'm not going to go watch that poorly-written, poorly-directed piece of Star Drek again just to remember the sequence of events). Basically, Spock doesn't tell anyone anything about himself unless he has to.

    I hate to worry you, but you do have the sequence of events correct. ;)

    Also, let's remember Spock's attempt to cover up that lie:

    "No he's not! I know he can't be your brother, because you don't have a brother!"

    "Technically you are correct. I do not have a brother."

    "See? See?!"

    "I have a half-brother."
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 9,687 Arc User
    Yes, yes correct. I will stop criticizing it, you convinced me. No wait, you didn't xP

    Sybok was dumb, not telling about pon-farr (and nobody else knowing basic biology of Vulcans) was dumb, and Burnham is also dumb.

    > @valoreah said:
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    > Canon for something like Star Trek isn't written in stone. It is fluid and will continue to change. If 50 years from now they want to write a story about how T'Pol is Spock's legitimate mother, then it will be canon.

    Did you mean to quote someone else? Because that has nothing to do with what I wrote. I'm not questioning any canonicity, I'm just pointing out that canon is stupid xD Personally starting with Voyager I dislike the majority of Trek canon. But I don't question it's status.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 8,313 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Yes, yes correct. I will stop criticizing it, you convinced me. No wait, you didn't xP

    Sybok was dumb, not telling about pon-farr (and nobody else knowing basic biology of Vulcans) was dumb, and Burnham is also dumb.
    So, in short, Spock is dumb. Gotcha.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @jonsills said:
    > angrytarg wrote: »
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    > Yes, yes correct. I will stop criticizing it, you convinced me. No wait, you didn't xP
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    > Sybok was dumb, not telling about pon-farr (and nobody else knowing basic biology of Vulcans) was dumb, and Burnham is also dumb.
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    > So, in short, Spock is dumb. Gotcha.

    Well in certain instances, yes he is.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 10,714 Arc User
    There is a very easy way to explain Spock going from an emotional wreck to the extremely logical alien we know that never talks about his adopted sister, Burnham's death that is partially caused by Spock acting emotionally. Spock never talks about Burnham because it hurts too much and Spock always tries to act logically since acting emotionally partially caused her death.
  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,032 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Sure. Yesterday I accidentally impaled a colleague on my shoulder spike. Just took some augment blood and sweet talking and she was fine again xP

    (Stop whatabouting, I explicitly said they got so many stupid superpowers. But from my perspective ST3 already existed, force calls are an arsepull if there ever was one xD)

    It doesn't matter if TSfS exists or not. Long distance telepathy is just an extension of their regular telepathy in the same way the Augment blood healing Kirk of the radiation is just an extension of their inbuilt healing factor.

    Katras are flat out bollocks. The whole concept of them. They're number one on the list of Vulcan stupid things in Trek. So far up that it compresses the bottom of the scale so much long distance telepathy isn't even visible any more.
    talonxv wrote: »
    What they have planned, already been leaked we're going to see a very emotional Spock. Which I am not thrilled for, unless there are some major extenuating circumstances. Like the few times it happened to Spock, something major went down.

    Or, as in The Cage, when he saw some flowers.
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    talonxv wrote: »
    And I swear, if they pull the stunt I am afraid they are going to between Spock and Burnham, the fit will hit the shan.

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    jonsills wrote: »
    This would be reasonable - but it's not the way Star Trek treats it. Thanks to the Progenitors, all sapient species in the Galaxy have LEGO genetics, and can interbreed completely accidentally.
    Like how Seska slept with Cullah and we got Sessen out of that in STO. She didn't even WANT to have Cullah's baby, she'd have much rather had Chakotay's baby. But she wanted to keep Cullah happy, so she did whatever he asked. And apparently he asked nicely....
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,240 Arc User
    > @artan42 said:
    > angrytarg wrote: »
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    > Sure. Yesterday I accidentally impaled a colleague on my shoulder spike. Just took some augment blood and sweet talking and she was fine again xP
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    > (Stop whatabouting, I explicitly said they got so many stupid superpowers. But from my perspective ST3 already existed, force calls are an arsepull if there ever was one xD)
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    > It doesn't matter if TSfS exists or not. Long distance telepathy is just an extension of their regular telepathy in the same way the Augment blood healing Kirk of the radiation is just an extension of their inbuilt healing factor.
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    > Katras are flat out bollocks. The whole concept of them. They're number one on the list of Vulcan stupid things in Trek. So far up that it compresses the bottom of the scale so much long distance telepathy isn't even visible any more.
    > talonxv wrote: »
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    > What they have planned, already been leaked we're going to see a very emotional Spock. Which I am not thrilled for, unless there are some major extenuating circumstances. Like the few times it happened to Spock, something major went down.
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    > Or, as in The Cage, when he saw some flowers.
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    > Don't hit Shran pinkskin.​​

    Who knows maybe I challenge him to a duel.
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  • azrael605azrael605 Member Posts: 9,335 Arc User
    > @markhawkman said:
    > jonsills wrote: »
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    > This would be reasonable - but it's not the way Star Trek treats it. Thanks to the Progenitors, all sapient species in the Galaxy have LEGO genetics, and can interbreed completely accidentally.
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    > Like how Seska slept with Cullah and we got Sessen out of that in STO. She didn't even WANT to have Cullah's baby, she'd have much rather had Chakotay's baby. But she wanted to keep Cullah happy, so she did whatever he asked. And apparently he asked nicely....

    Actually Seska stole Chakotay's DNA to impregnate herself but apparently it didn't take as The Doctor was the one to inform her the child was Cullah's not Chakotay's. Presumably the sex with Cullah was consetual as Cullah was enraged by the lie Seska had told him, that Chakotay had forced himself on her while she was under his command. So yeah Sessan is canon as well.
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  • shadowfang240shadowfang240 Member Posts: 31,043 Arc User
    Sessen isn't canon; Unnamed Kazon/Cardassian Hybrid is (he wasn't named in the show)​​
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