Literally, that's not a nice costume. The picture is probably not post-processed and the episode will look differently, but half the time I really wonder what they are thinking with DSCs costumes.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.
Almost completely wrong. She provides a very important role and fills the half hour of screen time she gets with more interest that half the crew of Dsc (excluding Lorca) managed in 10 episodes. Also, Han people can't really be described as a minority , they outnumber every single ethnic group on the planet.
Heh, genetically speaking, the Han lineage is dilute. Most Han descendants are also descended from Mongols. But yeah, mixed lineage or not, there's certainly a lot of them.
Was it too much to ask for a Prime Lorca with some color to his character? Did they have to beat us over the head with the “LOOK GUYS, HE’S EEEEEVIL!!!!”? Instead of getting a complex, disturbed member of utopia, we get a MU plant that we saw coming a mile away.
(Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.)
I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.)
The real question though is if the company commander knows this.
Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it.
the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence.
the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired.
that's improbably far from the example you're trying to make. but the thinking BEHIND the example you're trying to make in part explains a lot about what the prop-designers at TRIBBLE know about weaponry. That being, "It looked cool when Sly Stallone was doing it as Rambo, so it must be right."
(or insert any other bad 1980s or later action movie gunfu for Rambo).
it looks great to a seven year old, but TRIBBLE isn't supposed to be made for seven year olds, the audience isn't supposed to be the age demographic of "The A-Team" (television version, not movie).
it says it right there on the branding: "TV-MA".
They even use the seven dirty words you can't say on television, right there in the scripts, right? even toss in some steamy soft-core scenes, so it's gotta be 'mature', right??
and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature??
well, maybe not...but that's what they did.
Discovery spent 8Million dollar an episode to create asthmatic, impractical, arthritic "klingons" with no redeeming features or qualities to be their villains, and they're a joke.
A good designer could take the TNG versions, take the 'made for teevee' governors off, equip them with a style more aligned to what they had, and on the screen, by comparison, they'd be Terrifying, as in a believable threat to the safety of the Federation, an opponent that is actually worth the TV-MA rating.
discovery didn't do that, instead they gave us ork-fetish in latex versions of Skeletor and Cobra.
L'Rell's got a nice set on her...
When everyone else is disgusted by the Klingon boobies, but you've gone full Riker...
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
> @mhall85 said: > garaks31 wrote: » > > what kind of nice things ? > > > > > Well... (Spoiler) > > > I’m disappointed with this.
Eh, I'm okay with it because of Lorca himself. Unlike most of the people and their Mirror counterparts, Lorca and Mirror Lorca seemingly aren't that different.
The Prime Universe Lorca was pretty militaristic by Federation standards, yet seems to genuinely want the war with the Klingons to end. If the Mirror theory is true (I.e. - holding up a mirror to someone's attitudes and beliefs with the opposite being true of their counterpart... for example, kind, congenial animal lover Phlox being a sadistic animal torturer and experimenter in the mirror verse), then doing so to Lorca would show someone of a similar mindset, as they both were seemingly moderate in their beliefs. It would explain why nobody suspected him of not being the real Lorca, as the two would be quite similar.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
Was it too much to ask for a Prime Lorca with some color to his character? Did they have to beat us over the head with the “LOOK GUYS, HE’S EEEEEVIL!!!!”? Instead of getting a complex, disturbed member of utopia, we get a MU plant that we saw coming a mile away.
I’m disappointed with this.
I personally didn't buy into that idea until it was revealed that MU Lorca had attempted a coup. There's still potential for a complex Terran with some level of morality rather than a disturbed member of the Federation, though after watching the dinner scene I have to wonder if he chose Saru as First Officer in hopes that he would be his first meal as Emperor
(Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.)
I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.)
The real question though is if the company commander knows this.
Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it.
the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence.
the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired.
that's improbably far from the example you're trying to make. but the thinking BEHIND the example you're trying to make in part explains a lot about what the prop-designers at TRIBBLE know about weaponry. That being, "It looked cool when Sly Stallone was doing it as Rambo, so it must be right."
(or insert any other bad 1980s or later action movie gunfu for Rambo).
it looks great to a seven year old, but TRIBBLE isn't supposed to be made for seven year olds, the audience isn't supposed to be the age demographic of "The A-Team" (television version, not movie).
it says it right there on the branding: "TV-MA".
They even use the seven dirty words you can't say on television, right there in the scripts, right? even toss in some steamy soft-core scenes, so it's gotta be 'mature', right??
and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature??
well, maybe not...but that's what they did.
Discovery spent 8Million dollar an episode to create asthmatic, impractical, arthritic "klingons" with no redeeming features or qualities to be their villains, and they're a joke.
A good designer could take the TNG versions, take the 'made for teevee' governors off, equip them with a style more aligned to what they had, and on the screen, by comparison, they'd be Terrifying, as in a believable threat to the safety of the Federation, an opponent that is actually worth the TV-MA rating.
discovery didn't do that, instead they gave us ork-fetish in latex versions of Skeletor and Cobra.
L'Rell's got a nice set on her...
When everyone else is disgusted by the Klingon boobies, but you've gone full Riker...
I will just leave these wise words by a great man.
(Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.)
I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.)
The real question though is if the company commander knows this.
Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it.
the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence.
the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired.
that's improbably far from the example you're trying to make. but the thinking BEHIND the example you're trying to make in part explains a lot about what the prop-designers at TRIBBLE know about weaponry. That being, "It looked cool when Sly Stallone was doing it as Rambo, so it must be right."
(or insert any other bad 1980s or later action movie gunfu for Rambo).
it looks great to a seven year old, but TRIBBLE isn't supposed to be made for seven year olds, the audience isn't supposed to be the age demographic of "The A-Team" (television version, not movie).
it says it right there on the branding: "TV-MA".
They even use the seven dirty words you can't say on television, right there in the scripts, right? even toss in some steamy soft-core scenes, so it's gotta be 'mature', right??
and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature??
well, maybe not...but that's what they did.
Discovery spent 8Million dollar an episode to create asthmatic, impractical, arthritic "klingons" with no redeeming features or qualities to be their villains, and they're a joke.
A good designer could take the TNG versions, take the 'made for teevee' governors off, equip them with a style more aligned to what they had, and on the screen, by comparison, they'd be Terrifying, as in a believable threat to the safety of the Federation, an opponent that is actually worth the TV-MA rating.
discovery didn't do that, instead they gave us ork-fetish in latex versions of Skeletor and Cobra.
L'Rell's got a nice set on her...
When everyone else is disgusted by the Klingon boobies, but you've gone full Riker...
I will just leave these wise words by a great man.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
It looks like the history of the Mirror Universe's Earth is much darker than ours and the Prime Universe with Emperor Georgiou's comments about getting rid of compassionate traits thousands of years ago. So the fan theory that the Mirror Universe is a result of Cochrane greeting the Vulcans with a shotgun instead of whiskey is completely false. Obviously, the Mirror Universe Cochrane greeted the Vulcans with a shotgun, but there is a lot of other differences as well.
Georgiou: Equality. Freedom. Cooperation.
Burnham: Cornerstones for successful cultures.
Georgiou: Delusions that Terrans shed millennia ago. Destructive ideals that fuel rebellions, and I will not let you infect us again.
So whatever ideals formed the Mirror Universe version of the United States of America, they certainly weren't our ideals.
So the fan theory that the Mirror Universe is a result of Cochrane greeting the Vulcans with a shotgun instead of whiskey is completely false.
That was always a bad theory because the Enterprise into for the MU episodes showed Earth's history being different, and Mirror Phlox mentions that most writers he can pull up in the databanks are different from their MU counterparts, with only shakespere being surprisingly similar.
We know Earth history was different at least back in the late 1500s
Whilst I completely agree, I've seen posts on FB from people who are in complete denial of this and claim that the 'In a Mirror, Darkly' opening doesn't count as wasn't part of the episode. They didn't have much of an explaination for Shakespeare though, other than one person saying that the Klingons probably had something to do with it (??).
Bwahahahaha
That's some major cognitive dissonance, denials and self-delusion on their part Credit sequences exist to introduce an episode/characters/themes etc... For them to argue that it doesn't count because it's not the main body of the episode... The very fact that they went to the trouble of creating an alternate credit sequence, shows that they had something different to present, but didn't want to bog down the plot with exposition, so they put it in the credits
People like that aren't even worth engaging, as there's no chance of a reasonable discussion, and they'll just try and keep shifting the goalposts around facts which prove them wrong...
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> @salazarraze said: > Yo, can we get the Emperor's awesome (Spoiler) > > added to the lobi store?
[Spoiler]I have a feeling that's STDs version of the Kligat[/spoiler]
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
So the fan theory that the Mirror Universe is a result of Cochrane greeting the Vulcans with a shotgun instead of whiskey is completely false.
That was always a bad theory because the Enterprise into for the MU episodes showed Earth's history being different, and Mirror Phlox mentions that most writers he can pull up in the databanks are different from their MU counterparts, with only shakespere being surprisingly similar.
We know Earth history was different at least back in the late 1500s
Whilst I completely agree, I've seen posts on FB from people who are in complete denial of this and claim that the 'In a Mirror, Darkly' opening doesn't count as wasn't part of the episode. They didn't have much of an explaination for Shakespeare though, other than one person saying that the Klingons probably had something to do with it (??).
The only instance in the Mirror Darkly opening that indicated its history might be completely different from the Prime Universe is the planting of the Terran Empire flag on the moon. Although, that could have happened after the Phoenix or at least in the 21st Century due to how advanced the EV Suit looked compared to what Neil Armstrong wore. Before the planting the flag scene, every part of the opening was showing the darker side of our history. Instead of showing peaceful exploration, it was showing conquest.
As far as the writers are concerned, it could be due to the Terran Empire making the various stories fit with their vicious narrative. After all, various dictatorships have been known to rewrite history. If the Mirror Universe Humans tried to stamp out Equality, Freedom, and Cooperation for thousands of years, then there is no need for the Historical Revisionism explanation.
Phlox: I was merely researching classical literature. I wanted to compare our major works with their counterparts in the other universe. I skimmed a few of the more celebrated narratives. The stories were similar in some respects, but their characters were weak and compassionate. With the exception of Shakespeare, of course. From what I could tell, his plays were equally grim in both universes.
The thing that made the Terran Empire so scary is the idea that we could become it. World War III ended in 2053 or 10 years before Cochrane made his famous encounter with the Vulcans. Colonel Green made a speech in 2056 asking for the impure to be purged from society. It is easy to see how if humans accepted Colonel Green's arguments in one of their darkest times, the Prime Universe would have had the Terran Empire instead of the Federation. If the Mirror Universe's Earth literature is filled with the main characters being strong and cruel instead of weak and compassionate, then it is very easy for Mirror Universe Humans to be swayed by purging the impure from society while it would be far more difficult for us to make the same vile decision.
If Burnham didn't 'start' the war, then T'Kuvma would have found some other reason. Only way to prevent the war from happening would be to sacrifice every single Starfleet ship that encountered a Klingon ship since there is no honor in attacking an enemy that doesn't fight back. After all, T'Kuvma was looking for a fight to unite the Houses. However, that would make for an extremely boring TV show.
If Burnham didn't 'start' the war, then T'Kuvma would have found some other reason. Only way to prevent the war from happening would be to sacrifice every single Starfleet ship that encountered a Klingon ship since there is no honor in attacking an enemy that doesn't fight back. After all, T'Kuvma was looking for a fight to unite the Houses. However, that would make for an extremely boring TV show.
As Sarek warned, you must gain the Klingons respect. You must fire first for them to talk to you. The Vulcans did so and were able to come to peaceful terms with the Klingons as the Klingons respected them for their actions.
T'Kuvma warned the house leaders that the Federation would destroy Klingon culture with the Federation ideals of peace and cooperation. He warned that the Federation would say "we come in peace." The other house leaders didn't listen. Then, instead of firing first, and taking Burnham's sound advice, the fool Philippa Georgiou tried the peaceful option and actually said "we come in peace." This grave mistake ignited a war that has raged since. Who knows how many people have died due to Philippa Georgiou's well-meaning but ultimately foolish decision.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
> @silverlobes#2676 said: > starkaos wrote: » > > silverlobes#2676 wrote: » > > patrickngo wrote: » > > markhawkman wrote: » > > nah, more like the way split beam rifles work in STO. That's actually something borrowed from the TV series. patrickngo wrote: » > > (Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.) > > > > I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.) > > The real question though is if the company commander knows this. > > Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it. > > > > > the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence. > > the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired. > > that's improbably far from the example you're trying to make. but the thinking BEHIND the example you're trying to make in part explains a lot about what the prop-designers at TRIBBLE know about weaponry. That being, "It looked cool when Sly Stallone was doing it as Rambo, so it must be right." > > (or insert any other bad 1980s or later action movie gunfu for Rambo). > > it looks great to a seven year old, but TRIBBLE isn't supposed to be made for seven year olds, the audience isn't supposed to be the age demographic of "The A-Team" (television version, not movie). > > it says it right there on the branding: "TV-MA". > > They even use the seven dirty words you can't say on television, right there in the scripts, right? even toss in some steamy soft-core scenes, so it's gotta be 'mature', right?? > > and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature?? > > well, maybe not...but that's what they did. > > Discovery spent 8Million dollar an episode to create asthmatic, impractical, arthritic "klingons" with no redeeming features or qualities to be their villains, and they're a joke. > > A good designer could take the TNG versions, take the 'made for teevee' governors off, equip them with a style more aligned to what they had, and on the screen, by comparison, they'd be Terrifying, as in a believable threat to the safety of the Federation, an opponent that is actually worth the TV-MA rating. > > discovery didn't do that, instead they gave us ork-fetish in latex versions of Skeletor and Cobra. > > > > > L'Rell's got a nice set on her... > When everyone else is disgusted by the Klingon boobies, but you've gone full Riker... > > > > > > > > > > I will just leave these wise words by a great man. > (Spoiler) > > > > > >
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Ooooh... that looks... really cheap.
Literally, that's not a nice costume. The picture is probably not post-processed and the episode will look differently, but half the time I really wonder what they are thinking with DSCs costumes.
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Why can’t I have nice things...?
Well...
I’m disappointed with this.
L'Rell's got a nice set on her...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
that Keron do ...
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Eh, I'm okay with it because of Lorca himself. Unlike most of the people and their Mirror counterparts, Lorca and Mirror Lorca seemingly aren't that different.
The Prime Universe Lorca was pretty militaristic by Federation standards, yet seems to genuinely want the war with the Klingons to end. If the Mirror theory is true (I.e. - holding up a mirror to someone's attitudes and beliefs with the opposite being true of their counterpart... for example, kind, congenial animal lover Phlox being a sadistic animal torturer and experimenter in the mirror verse), then doing so to Lorca would show someone of a similar mindset, as they both were seemingly moderate in their beliefs. It would explain why nobody suspected him of not being the real Lorca, as the two would be quite similar.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
I will just leave these wise words by a great man.
My character Tsin'xing
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Georgiou: Equality. Freedom. Cooperation.
Burnham: Cornerstones for successful cultures.
Georgiou: Delusions that Terrans shed millennia ago. Destructive ideals that fuel rebellions, and I will not let you infect us again.
So whatever ideals formed the Mirror Universe version of the United States of America, they certainly weren't our ideals.
That's some major cognitive dissonance, denials and self-delusion on their part
People like that aren't even worth engaging, as there's no chance of a reasonable discussion, and they'll just try and keep shifting the goalposts around facts which prove them wrong...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
> Yo, can we get the Emperor's awesome (Spoiler)
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> added to the lobi store?
[Spoiler]I have a feeling that's STDs version of the Kligat[/spoiler]
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
that Keron do ...
the upcomming r&d box shiny ^^
http://www.treknews.net/2018/01/22/star-trek-discovery-vaulting-ambition-review/
The only instance in the Mirror Darkly opening that indicated its history might be completely different from the Prime Universe is the planting of the Terran Empire flag on the moon. Although, that could have happened after the Phoenix or at least in the 21st Century due to how advanced the EV Suit looked compared to what Neil Armstrong wore. Before the planting the flag scene, every part of the opening was showing the darker side of our history. Instead of showing peaceful exploration, it was showing conquest.
As far as the writers are concerned, it could be due to the Terran Empire making the various stories fit with their vicious narrative. After all, various dictatorships have been known to rewrite history. If the Mirror Universe Humans tried to stamp out Equality, Freedom, and Cooperation for thousands of years, then there is no need for the Historical Revisionism explanation.
Phlox: I was merely researching classical literature. I wanted to compare our major works with their counterparts in the other universe. I skimmed a few of the more celebrated narratives. The stories were similar in some respects, but their characters were weak and compassionate. With the exception of Shakespeare, of course. From what I could tell, his plays were equally grim in both universes.
The thing that made the Terran Empire so scary is the idea that we could become it. World War III ended in 2053 or 10 years before Cochrane made his famous encounter with the Vulcans. Colonel Green made a speech in 2056 asking for the impure to be purged from society. It is easy to see how if humans accepted Colonel Green's arguments in one of their darkest times, the Prime Universe would have had the Terran Empire instead of the Federation. If the Mirror Universe's Earth literature is filled with the main characters being strong and cruel instead of weak and compassionate, then it is very easy for Mirror Universe Humans to be swayed by purging the impure from society while it would be far more difficult for us to make the same vile decision.
If you watch the scene where Mirror Stamets wakes up, there's a display that shows the ship's name is spelled 'Charon'
You know how you can tell someone arguing against Discovery hasn't watched it. They claim that Burnam started the war which is demonstrably false.
people want to blame someone living. even if they would known the facts...
As Sarek warned, you must gain the Klingons respect. You must fire first for them to talk to you. The Vulcans did so and were able to come to peaceful terms with the Klingons as the Klingons respected them for their actions.
T'Kuvma warned the house leaders that the Federation would destroy Klingon culture with the Federation ideals of peace and cooperation. He warned that the Federation would say "we come in peace." The other house leaders didn't listen. Then, instead of firing first, and taking Burnham's sound advice, the fool Philippa Georgiou tried the peaceful option and actually said "we come in peace." This grave mistake ignited a war that has raged since. Who knows how many people have died due to Philippa Georgiou's well-meaning but ultimately foolish decision.
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> nah, more like the way split beam rifles work in STO. That's actually something borrowed from the TV series. patrickngo wrote: »
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> (Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.)
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> I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.)
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> The real question though is if the company commander knows this.
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> Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it.
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> the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence.
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> the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired.
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> that's improbably far from the example you're trying to make. but the thinking BEHIND the example you're trying to make in part explains a lot about what the prop-designers at TRIBBLE know about weaponry. That being, "It looked cool when Sly Stallone was doing it as Rambo, so it must be right."
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> (or insert any other bad 1980s or later action movie gunfu for Rambo).
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> it looks great to a seven year old, but TRIBBLE isn't supposed to be made for seven year olds, the audience isn't supposed to be the age demographic of "The A-Team" (television version, not movie).
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> it says it right there on the branding: "TV-MA".
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> They even use the seven dirty words you can't say on television, right there in the scripts, right? even toss in some steamy soft-core scenes, so it's gotta be 'mature', right??
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> and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature??
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> well, maybe not...but that's what they did.
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> Discovery spent 8Million dollar an episode to create asthmatic, impractical, arthritic "klingons" with no redeeming features or qualities to be their villains, and they're a joke.
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> A good designer could take the TNG versions, take the 'made for teevee' governors off, equip them with a style more aligned to what they had, and on the screen, by comparison, they'd be Terrifying, as in a believable threat to the safety of the Federation, an opponent that is actually worth the TV-MA rating.
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> discovery didn't do that, instead they gave us ork-fetish in latex versions of Skeletor and Cobra.
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> L'Rell's got a nice set on her...
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That is funny.