There are countless instances of time travel stories that could serve as the reason for a shifting and evolving history. The Ferengi being detained at Area 51, Chekhov leaving future tech on an aircraft carrier, Sisko taking the place of a historic figure, the Enterprise crew giving major explanations of the future to Cochrane and Lily, Janeway's rewriting of history, according to Daniels the whole Xindi War was never supposed to historically happen.
I honestly think it would be even weirder if TOS was still canon rather than the other way around. There is simply far to much contamination of the timeline for it to still exist the way we saw it.
Don't see why TOS should not exist.
There has been so much time travel in Star Trek that the timeline of the first few episodes of TOS was erased unless all time travel is predestination paradoxes. Personally, I hate predestination paradoxes since it removes any control of a person's actions.
Time travel could be used to explain the discrepancy in technology between Discovery and TOS. 10 years before TOS didn't have holographic interfaces, holodecks, and cybernetic implants, but due to the timeline being completely screwed up by time travel and the Temporal Cold War caused 100 years after Enterprise to have holographic interfaces, holodecks, and cybernetic implants.
Yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking in another thread. TOS was rather scrupulous (until ST4) about the notion that intentional time travel was verboten and the correct response to unintentional time travel was to minimize your impact and fix what you broke. So TOS until movie 4 is probably the purest "original" timeline.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
It is possible that Section 31 is a direct result of the Borg in First Contact. First Contact first aired in 1996 and Section 31 was first introduced in 1998 with the introduction of Sloan. So it is possible that before First Contact, Section 31 never existed due to the Borg never traveled to 21st Century Earth. Since humans never encountered a major alien threat during First Contact, then there was no need to create Section 31. Since the 21st Century Humans of First Contact lost their innocence of how dangerous the galaxy truly was, Section 31 was created.
No it isn't possible. That's just stupid people forgetting Star trek is a TV show, and they can't go back to episodes they already made and throw in new ideas like section 31.
Section 31 always existed, they just didn't have a reason to show themselves in past shows.
Time Travel is a way to retcon since it can change the story in unpredictable ways. There is no way to know if Section 31 always existed or only existed after First Contact since there is no proof either way. It makes more sense for Section 31 to be created as a result of First Contact than the idiotic notion that Time Travel has zero end effect in the universe.
Section 31 existed in Enterprise, and Malcolm Reed was associated somehow, though I can't remember if he was a former member or if it was something else.
Explorarion of science versus faith in Season 2... Oh please... Those have always been the most awful episodes...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
All I know is that I need those TRIBBLE Mirrorverse uniforms. Like yesterday.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
Explorarion of science versus faith in Season 2... Oh please... Those have always been the most awful episodes...
Judging by the last episode it seems it's more likely to be free will vs. destiny rather than the TNG style strawman debates.
Though how any of that matters in a universe that has several physical gods is beyond me.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Look, it's simple. Stop reworking existing Trek stuff into what you think is cool and hip and will sell coasters. Create NEW worlds and NEW civilizations for our crew to boldly explore. Create NEW problems from NEW content. You know, EXPAND THE UNIVERSE instead of making your main character Spock's older sister, because you have no creativity/faith in your "creative vision".
Well, good to see Culber's death was a cheap stunt for shock value. Gotta make sure to wrap minorities, women, and LGBT characters in foam and plastic because should they die... OMG the backlash. Why don't you just use cardboard cutouts for these characters? They certainly can't handle challenge or loss because they are obviously weak and fragile. Oh right, the TV Tropes thing. Gotta make sure stories are now done by checklist to avoid them tropes. Just have the network write stories by committee. That should make everyone happy.
"We have faith that if our audience is so enraged and thinks that we would actually lean into a [bury your gays] trope, then they don’t really understand what we’re about as storytellers.” - Aaron Harberts, Showrunner TRIBBLE
Well, you are half right, Mr. Harberts. I don't understand what you are about as a storyteller. You can have faith in that.
It is possible that Section 31 is a direct result of the Borg in First Contact. First Contact first aired in 1996 and Section 31 was first introduced in 1998 with the introduction of Sloan. So it is possible that before First Contact, Section 31 never existed due to the Borg never traveled to 21st Century Earth. Since humans never encountered a major alien threat during First Contact, then there was no need to create Section 31. Since the 21st Century Humans of First Contact lost their innocence of how dangerous the galaxy truly was, Section 31 was created.
No it isn't possible. That's just stupid people forgetting Star trek is a TV show, and they can't go back to episodes they already made and throw in new ideas like section 31.
Section 31 always existed, they just didn't have a reason to show themselves in past shows.
Time Travel is a way to retcon since it can change the story in unpredictable ways. There is no way to know if Section 31 always existed or only existed after First Contact since there is no proof either way. It makes more sense for Section 31 to be created as a result of First Contact than the idiotic notion that Time Travel has zero end effect in the universe.
Section 31 existed in Enterprise, and Malcolm Reed was associated somehow, though I can't remember if he was a former member or if it was something else.
That is assuming that the events in Enterprise existed 100 years before TOS. It is entirely possible that there was no Temporal Cold War or Borg Drones in the Arctic for the original timeline. With the amount of time travel in Star Trek, there might have been no Section 31 until Picard traveled back in time to stop the Borg.
I'm going to give my predictions for the rest of the season, much of which hinge on a fan theory I didn't agree with until last week's episode: I now believe Lorca is indeed his Mirror Universe counterpart.
What I think will be revealed to have happened is that, following the destruction of Mirror Burnham's shuttle, Mirror Lorca swapped places with Prime Lorca in a manner similar to the transporter accident Kirk experienced in 'Mirror, Mirror'. His Prime crew became a liability since they knew or suspected the truth, so he got rid of them. Once stationed on the Discovery he realized it was his ticket home, and began plotting another coup, with Burnham having a pivotal role in his plan since her mirror counterpart was so trusted by the emperor / empress. This would explain Lorca's pulling Burnham out of prison, and his constant obsession with her safety. Him being a Mirror Universe Captain would also explain the 007 esque sleeping with a phaser under his pillow habit that got him into trouble with the Admiral.
Going forward, I expect Lorca to manipulate Burnham and the crew of the Discovery into helping him overthrow the emperor / empress, who I expect to be Mirror Georgiou. Captain Killy may play a role in this as well but I'm not certain, it's hard to say if she's an ally of Lorca's, though the previous scene of Stamets looking in the mirror seems to hint that the true ISS Discovery will be involved somehow, even if it's just stealing something from the Federation while the rest of this is going on. I'm also unsure if Prime Lorca or Mirror Burnham will turn up alive at some point. Regardless, by the end of the mirror arc I expect Lorca to become the new Terran Emperor following the destruction of the 'palace', which I believe is the USS Defiant. Discovery will then return to the Prime Universe without a Captain, resulting in the promotion of either Saru or Burnham (would make most sense for it to be Saru, with Burnham getting a pardon, reinstated. Starfleet, and being selected by Saru for First Officer).
No word yet when other episodes will be done, he hasn't updated the website's schedule bar since the 6th.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
No word yet when other episodes will be done, he hasn't updated the website's schedule bar since the 6th.
So how much you figure CBS is paying him for a good review?
Considering he had to reopen submissions despite his backlog because Vimeo doesn't pay enough ad revenue to keep the lights on? Not enough.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
No word yet when other episodes will be done, he hasn't updated the website's schedule bar since the 6th.
So how much you figure CBS is paying him for a good review?
Considering he had to reopen submissions despite his backlog because Vimeo doesn't pay enough ad revenue to keep the lights on? Not enough.
What's that patrickngo? Somebody has a different opinion to you and may like something you don't? They're a bloody shill! The only logical conclusion.
Git.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yeah, this is kind of what I was thinking in another thread. TOS was rather scrupulous (until ST4) about the notion that intentional time travel was verboten and the correct response to unintentional time travel was to minimize your impact and fix what you broke. So TOS until movie 4 is probably the purest "original" timeline.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
https://trekmovie.com/2018/01/06/star-trek-discovery-showrunners-talk-huge-development-and-more-exploring-for-season-2/
DISCOVERY Showrunners and Cast Talk Tonight’s [Spoiler!]
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/star-trek-discovery-showrunners-and-cast-talk-tonights-spoiler/
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Section 31 existed in Enterprise, and Malcolm Reed was associated somehow, though I can't remember if he was a former member or if it was something else.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
Definitely... those Uniforms are Must Haves for '18!
Judging by the last episode it seems it's more likely to be free will vs. destiny rather than the TNG style strawman debates.
Though how any of that matters in a universe that has several physical gods is beyond me.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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How they are going to pull it off without being overly cheesy is anyone's guess.
"It appears we have lost our sex appeal, captain."- Tuvok
Because they're not Disney talking Star Wars and showing auditions with tons of crying manbabies about goddamn movietrailers.
Look, it's simple. Stop reworking existing Trek stuff into what you think is cool and hip and will sell coasters. Create NEW worlds and NEW civilizations for our crew to boldly explore. Create NEW problems from NEW content. You know, EXPAND THE UNIVERSE instead of making your main character Spock's older sister, because you have no creativity/faith in your "creative vision".
Well, good to see Culber's death was a cheap stunt for shock value. Gotta make sure to wrap minorities, women, and LGBT characters in foam and plastic because should they die... OMG the backlash. Why don't you just use cardboard cutouts for these characters? They certainly can't handle challenge or loss because they are obviously weak and fragile. Oh right, the TV Tropes thing. Gotta make sure stories are now done by checklist to avoid them tropes. Just have the network write stories by committee. That should make everyone happy.
"We have faith that if our audience is so enraged and thinks that we would actually lean into a [bury your gays] trope, then they don’t really understand what we’re about as storytellers.” - Aaron Harberts, Showrunner TRIBBLE
Well, you are half right, Mr. Harberts. I don't understand what you are about as a storyteller. You can have faith in that.
That is assuming that the events in Enterprise existed 100 years before TOS. It is entirely possible that there was no Temporal Cold War or Borg Drones in the Arctic for the original timeline. With the amount of time travel in Star Trek, there might have been no Section 31 until Picard traveled back in time to stop the Borg.
http://www.startrek.com/article/spoilers-frakes-on-directing-discovery
Warning: SPOILERS from Episode 10, Season 1 of Star Trek: Discovery follow...
http://www.cbs.com/shows/star-trek-discovery/news/1008150/star-trek-discovery-boldly-goes-to-the-mirror-universe/
http://www.treknews.net/2018/01/08/review-star-trek-discovery-despite-yourself/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/star-trek-discovery-review-despite-yourself/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/star-trek-discovery-and-mirror-broken-award-nominations/
Lots of Mirror Universe Action in the ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ Episode 11 Preview
https://trekmovie.com/2018/01/10/lots-of-mirror-universe-action-in-the-star-trek-discovery-episode-11-preview/
http://trekcore.com/blog/2018/01/new-star-trek-discovery-photos-for-the-wolf-inside/
Discovery Producers Consulted With GLAAD Over Dr. Culber’s Story
https://trekmovie.com/2018/01/11/star-trek-discovery-producers-consulted-with-glaad-over-culbers-story/
What I think will be revealed to have happened is that, following the destruction of Mirror Burnham's shuttle, Mirror Lorca swapped places with Prime Lorca in a manner similar to the transporter accident Kirk experienced in 'Mirror, Mirror'. His Prime crew became a liability since they knew or suspected the truth, so he got rid of them. Once stationed on the Discovery he realized it was his ticket home, and began plotting another coup, with Burnham having a pivotal role in his plan since her mirror counterpart was so trusted by the emperor / empress. This would explain Lorca's pulling Burnham out of prison, and his constant obsession with her safety. Him being a Mirror Universe Captain would also explain the 007 esque sleeping with a phaser under his pillow habit that got him into trouble with the Admiral.
Going forward, I expect Lorca to manipulate Burnham and the crew of the Discovery into helping him overthrow the emperor / empress, who I expect to be Mirror Georgiou. Captain Killy may play a role in this as well but I'm not certain, it's hard to say if she's an ally of Lorca's, though the previous scene of Stamets looking in the mirror seems to hint that the true ISS Discovery will be involved somehow, even if it's just stealing something from the Federation while the rest of this is going on. I'm also unsure if Prime Lorca or Mirror Burnham will turn up alive at some point. Regardless, by the end of the mirror arc I expect Lorca to become the new Terran Emperor following the destruction of the 'palace', which I believe is the USS Defiant. Discovery will then return to the Prime Universe without a Captain, resulting in the promotion of either Saru or Burnham (would make most sense for it to be Saru, with Burnham getting a pardon, reinstated. Starfleet, and being selected by Saru for First Officer).
promo,
Not crazy about the Andorian, but it's close enough
No word yet when other episodes will be done, he hasn't updated the website's schedule bar since the 6th.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Certainly looks much better than the Klingons. At least we can tell that he is an Andorian.
Definitely.
SHOCKED.
Considering he had to reopen submissions despite his backlog because Vimeo doesn't pay enough ad revenue to keep the lights on? Not enough.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
What's that patrickngo? Somebody has a different opinion to you and may like something you don't? They're a bloody shill! The only logical conclusion.
Git.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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