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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    can just imagine it now, a federation marine with a rifle is pointing the gun in an opposte direction but the gun has an autotargeting solution on an that enemy behind the marine, the marine fires and the energy bolt traveled out the rifle, over the gun and around the body of the marine and hits the enemy behind.

    Sarcasm aside, i'm not sure klingon tech works like that. if they are as lacking in redeeming qualities as claimed elsewhere, there is a very good chance their weapons are fully manual, big kickback in recoil and the energy round does more damage even after hitting the target to cause the maximum amount death and destruction. it could also mean klingon weapons are very difficult to hold and use. in much the same way their bat'leths with blades pointed towards the warrior are difficult to hold and use and totally unforgiving if it goes wrong.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    A mistake might be to assume that the Klingons are actually interested in practical weapons.

    We don't actually see much conquering by the Klingons over the entirety of Startrek. Basically only the assault on Cardassia in DS9 really showed them on an actual warpath.

    Instead, much of the fighting is internal. Especially in the timeframe leading up to Discovery.

    And what they might have optimzied for is showy displays, so that people can prove their glory and honor by doing combat that's mostly ritualistic in nature.

    Their entire "warfare" so far is internal struggles, and it stands to reason that ineffecient combat forms that lead to less and very controlled deaths are ultimately much preferable over actual warfare.

    Kinda like the Clans in Battletech have their ridicilous sounding combat rules, like no focused or indirect fire, with calling individiaul challenges on the battlefield. All stuff keeping combat rather personal instead of a large scale warfare optimized for efficiency. Bad for real warfare where the enemy isn't following tese limitations, but good if you want to keep the impact of using combat to resolve disputes minimal and have some kind of system (like social ostracism) to punish people that ignore these limitations.

    Imagine if a Klingon tried to resolve a personal dispute with another Klingon with an explosive in his quarters, instead of a ritual knife fight.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    I don't think Klingons use pistols that have autotargeting. That HAS been seen on Federation and Cardassian weapons though.

    I could see Klingons viewing autotargeting as dishonorable tbh.
    can just imagine it now, a federation marine with a rifle is pointing the gun in an opposte direction but the gun has an autotargeting solution on an that enemy behind the marine, the marine fires and the energy bolt traveled out the rifle, over the gun and around the body of the marine and hits the enemy behind.


    Kinda like this weapon from The Fifth Element?

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    nah, more like the way split beam rifles work in STO. That's actually something borrowed from the TV series.
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    (Helps that I've actually USED a 203-that ACOG isn't useful with it, it's only useful for the rifle half.)
    I know this. (for those who are curious, ACOG is kinda like a scope, but M203 grenade launchers are short range and not really direct fire weapons.)

    The real question though is if the company commander knows this. :p

    Point is, you can still use the weapon adequately even with all that stuff on it.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
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    Off topic, I hated the RCO (what we referred to the ACOG as when I was in the reserves). In boot camp I had iron sights, completed rifle qual as Sharpshooter (Marksman < Sharpshooter < Expert), had an RCO in MCT but we didn't do rifle qual there, found it awkward to use. Got to my unit, did qual again a few months later with an RCO and dropped down to Marksman (or pizza box as we referred to it as).
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Off topic, I hated the RCO (what we referred to the ACOG as when I was in the reserves). In boot camp I had iron sights, completed rifle qual as Sharpshooter (Marksman < Sharpshooter < Expert), had an RCO in MCT but we didn't do rifle qual there, found it awkward to use. Got to my unit, did qual again a few months later with an RCO and dropped down to Marksman (or pizza box as we referred to it as).
    Those things work fine. It's just hard to get used to using them. First you need to figure out how to aim/sight it properly, THEN practice actually using it.
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    the 203 isn't a direct-fire weapon at all, it's an indirect fire weapon-that is, it's designed to fire indirectly at a target. you know, like a mortar, or lobbing a lawndartz over a fence.

    the sights (and yes, they have sights) are set up to face the muzzle at an upward angle. if you try to fire it directly at something, you better be VERY close to it-probably inside the blast radius for the round you just fired.
    Or.. you know... grenades... it's official name is M203 GRENADE LAUNCHER....

    The point I was making is that a person carrying a rifle with an ACOG AND M203 isn't planning to use them together. The weapon has two functions that don't get used simultaneously because they can't.
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  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    and look how badass! they put SPYKES on everything so you know that something belongs to the bad-guys, isn't that mature??
    What if their logistics division totally sucks and they just started welding spikes on because they never have enough ammo? Those spikes look like hot garbage and seem like an after-market job. Like, they had some bits of deck plating laying around and stuck it on their guns.
  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
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    garaks31 wrote: »
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    [PREVIEW] New Photos From STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Episode 12 “Vaulting Ambition”

    http://www.treknews.net/2018/01/18/preview-star-trek-dsc-vaulting-ambition/

    Least the empress looks good.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2018
    garaks31 wrote: »
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    [PREVIEW] New Photos From STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Episode 12 “Vaulting Ambition”

    http://www.treknews.net/2018/01/18/preview-star-trek-dsc-vaulting-ambition/

    Least the empress looks good.

    Except for the fact that her clothing is missing the most important part, the midriff. All Mirror Universe female clothing must have midriffs and all Mirror Universe males must have goatees.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    Woo!

    Discovery ships in STO!

    Take a big, fat heaping of some CANON!!!!!
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  • coqaunandos117#2576 coqaunandos117 Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.
    I liked her because she was clearly one of the type of Starfleet Captains that stood for the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet. She was also established as being in command of the ship for several years, which makes me automatically want to know more about what kind of adventures they went through under her command.

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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
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    If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.

    I just like her cause I find her a hottie is all. ~shrugs~
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
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    patrickngo wrote: »
    garaks31 wrote: »
    star-trek-discovery-12-11-391x587.jpg


    [PREVIEW] New Photos From STAR TREK: DISCOVERY Episode 12 “Vaulting Ambition”

    http://www.treknews.net/2018/01/18/preview-star-trek-dsc-vaulting-ambition/

    Least the empress looks good.

    huh. someone at CBS watches too much Anime.

    Well, being an anime princess that I am, I can live with that. ;)
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  • coqaunandos117#2576 coqaunandos117 Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.
    I liked her because she was clearly one of the type of Starfleet Captains that stood for the ideals of the Federation and Starfleet. She was also established as being in command of the ship for several years, which makes me automatically want to know more about what kind of adventures they went through under her command.

    See, I agree with that. But you aren't deifying her like some people I have seen. We saw a good captain her died on a mission...just like literally every other captain who died at the Battle of Binary Stars. It's just interesting how some people think she's some kind of god, for whatever reason.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    If find it amusing how many people around the web seem to be mega fans of Captain Georgiou, even though her character didn't actually do anything very important in the story. I guess some people were so desperate for a minority female captain that they will deify the first one they get regardless of how significant they really were.

    Almost completely wrong. She provides a very important role and fills the half hour of screen time she gets with more interest that half the crew of Dsc (excluding Lorca) managed in 10 episodes. Also, Han people can't really be described as a minority pig-2.gif, they outnumber every single ethnic group on the planet.
    But, sure if you just saw she was oriental and assumed that that was why people like her because you didn't watch the pilot episodes and take note of her actual role in the story, then I suppose you could be forgiven for making a silly post.​​
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