I understand the real world reasons, but in-universe it is a bit odd
Do you know, without looking it up, the name of Hitler's dog? Or Sadaam's favorite aftershave? No? Well that's quite odd...
No, but I know the name of the Imperial Roman army and the Panzerkampfwagen III. There's a bit of a difference between a toiletry item and a key element in the success of an entire military.
And how many people, if you were to randomly survey 1000 people on the street where you live, would also know that information? Sure, it's not secret, but it's not entirely common knowledge either, hence the reference to the toiletry item: The point isn't 'the thing', but the level of Common Awareness, which could certainly be reasonably applied to the Terrans and their apparent (if one needs a mental hoop to jump through) lack of awareness of (or simple lack of referal to) Sato's Defiant
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I understand the real world reasons, but in-universe it is a bit odd
Do you know, without looking it up, the name of Hitler's dog? Or Sadaam's favorite aftershave? No? Well that's quite odd...
No, but I know the name of the Imperial Roman army and the Panzerkampfwagen III. There's a bit of a difference between a toiletry item and a key element in the success of an entire military.
And how many people, if you were to randomly survey 1000 people on the street where you live, would also know that information? Sure, it's not secret, but it's not entirely common knowledge either, hence the reference to the toiletry item: The point isn't 'the thing', but the level of Common Awareness, which could certainly be reasonably applied to the Terrans and their apparent (if one needs a mental hoop to jump through) lack of awareness of (or simple lack of referal to) Sato's Defiant
People in my experience aren't usually that uninformed. They may not be able to rattle off minutiae like the caliber of a Panzer III's main gun or the specifics of Guderian's combined arms methods (the blitzkrieg), but they'll probably at least have heard the names "panzer" and "blitzkrieg".
The lack of referral theory works a lot better: in-universe, the 24th century Terrans named their ship after Sato's Defiant, we just weren't told that because the story was from the POV of the prime universe characters and everybody had other things like fighting a slave revolt on their mind.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
I understand the real world reasons, but in-universe it is a bit odd
Do you know, without looking it up, the name of Hitler's dog? Or Sadaam's favorite aftershave? No? Well that's quite odd...
No, but I know the name of the Imperial Roman army and the Panzerkampfwagen III. There's a bit of a difference between a toiletry item and a key element in the success of an entire military.
And how many people, if you were to randomly survey 1000 people on the street where you live, would also know that information? Sure, it's not secret, but it's not entirely common knowledge either, hence the reference to the toiletry item: The point isn't 'the thing', but the level of Common Awareness, which could certainly be reasonably applied to the Terrans and their apparent (if one needs a mental hoop to jump through) lack of awareness of (or simple lack of referal to) Sato's Defiant
People in my experience aren't usually that uninformed. They may not be able to rattle off minutiae like the caliber of a Panzer III's main gun or the specifics of Guderian's combined arms methods (the blitzkrieg), but they'll probably at least have heard the names "panzer" and "blitzkrieg".
The lack of referral theory works a lot better: in-universe, the 24th century Terrans named their ship after Sato's Defiant, we just weren't told that because the story was from the POV of the prime universe characters and everybody had other things like fighting a slave revolt on their mind.
That definitely works
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I'll probably be saying this in other threads, but I am so supremely disappointed in what they've done with Lorca. He wound up being just another mustache-twirling villain, and now he's dead. No last minute reveal of Prime Lorca, no escape to leave open the return in a later season... just dead, and over. Jason Isaacs had a fine performance, and yes, the seeds were planted from the beginning... but, I still think this was the safe and obvious choice, and the mystery wasn't hidden that well. Judging by the interviews from last night's After Trek, I don't think that was the goal to begin with... which is the most disappointing of all. I want this show to be smart, and it certainly has the potential to be, but it ain't there yet.
Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an TRIBBLE, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
I'll probably be saying this in other threads, but I am so supremely disappointed in what they've done with Lorca. He wound up being just another mustache-twirling villain, and now he's dead. No last minute reveal of Prime Lorca, no escape to leave open the return in a later season... just dead, and over. Jason Isaacs had a fine performance, and yes, the seeds were planted from the beginning... but, I still think this was the safe and obvious choice, and the mystery wasn't hidden that well. Judging by the interviews from last night's After Trek, I don't think that was the goal to begin with... which is the most disappointing of all. I want this show to be smart, and it certainly has the potential to be, but it ain't there yet.
Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an ****, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
I've always gotten the vibe that Isaacs is just a bit of a TRIBBLE in general. The kind of guy who, if you're buddies, he's okay to be around, but everyone else just gets the TRIBBLE treatment. The kind of guy you could be buddies with, but when you introduce him to other friends, they're like "Why do you hang out with this TRIBBLE and put up with his TRIBBLE?"
I'm looking forward to running into him at a convention, and talking about how much I've enjoyed his body of work (which I genuinely have) but when it comes to Discovery, I'll just have to shrug, and say "You said not to watch it, so I didn't..." Might be worth the black eye
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I'll probably be saying this in other threads, but I am so supremely disappointed in what they've done with Lorca. He wound up being just another mustache-twirling villain, and now he's dead. No last minute reveal of Prime Lorca, no escape to leave open the return in a later season... just dead, and over. Jason Isaacs had a fine performance, and yes, the seeds were planted from the beginning... but, I still think this was the safe and obvious choice, and the mystery wasn't hidden that well. Judging by the interviews from last night's After Trek, I don't think that was the goal to begin with... which is the most disappointing of all. I want this show to be smart, and it certainly has the potential to be, but it ain't there yet.
Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an ****, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
Gotta agree with all of that. Essentially my views on it in a nutshell.
All the interesting characters have been killed off. Phillipa, the perfect Picard and a nice contrast to have in a war gone. Lorca, the PTSD suffering extremist who it turns out never existed in the first place. Kol, the only Klingon I could stand who reminded me very much of a cross between Gawron, Chang, and Duras.
I mean the new crew of the Discovery has potential. Tactical guy, and the two drivers got names and lines this episode as did 7of9-meets-Nebula and I still really like Saru. Tilly continues to exceed Wesley and Jake for 'young persons view point character' (not up to Nogs standards yet, but we're only on series 1) so we're not going to be starved of people to follow from now on. Problem is they're all on the one ship.
The ongoing war arc demands the DS9 and ENT situation where we have recognisable enemy characters. Silik, Devra, Dukat, the Female Changling, Wayun (please excuse all those spellings) were all continuous faces across multiple series of their shows where as now all three named Klingon leaders (Kol, T'Kuvma, and Voq) are dead and Lorca could have been a recurring threat if he escaped the Mirror Universe (or even if he'd stayed, the Intendent hung around for ever). Even TNG managed recurring Klingon and Romulan plots and VGR had the Borg following them around and both those shows moved onwards. DSC needs recurring antagonists.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I'll probably be saying this in other threads, but I am so supremely disappointed in what they've done with Lorca. He wound up being just another mustache-twirling villain, and now he's dead. No last minute reveal of Prime Lorca, no escape to leave open the return in a later season... just dead, and over. Jason Isaacs had a fine performance, and yes, the seeds were planted from the beginning... but, I still think this was the safe and obvious choice, and the mystery wasn't hidden that well. Judging by the interviews from last night's After Trek, I don't think that was the goal to begin with... which is the most disappointing of all. I want this show to be smart, and it certainly has the potential to be, but it ain't there yet.
Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an ****, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
I've always gotten the vibe that Isaacs is just a bit of a **** in general. The kind of guy who, if you're buddies, he's okay to be around, but everyone else just gets the **** treatment. The kind of guy you could be buddies with, but when you introduce him to other friends, they're like "Why do you hang out with this **** and put up with his ****?"
I'm looking forward to running into him at a convention, and talking about how much I've enjoyed his body of work (which I genuinely have) but when it comes to Discovery, I'll just have to shrug, and say "You said not to watch it, so I didn't..." Might be worth the black eye
Heh, I like that comparison. That's probably very true, LOL.
I'll probably be saying this in other threads, but I am so supremely disappointed in what they've done with Lorca. He wound up being just another mustache-twirling villain, and now he's dead. No last minute reveal of Prime Lorca, no escape to leave open the return in a later season... just dead, and over. Jason Isaacs had a fine performance, and yes, the seeds were planted from the beginning... but, I still think this was the safe and obvious choice, and the mystery wasn't hidden that well. Judging by the interviews from last night's After Trek, I don't think that was the goal to begin with... which is the most disappointing of all. I want this show to be smart, and it certainly has the potential to be, but it ain't there yet.
Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an ****, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
Gotta agree with all of that. Essentially my views on it in a nutshell.
All the interesting characters have been killed off. Phillipa, the perfect Picard and a nice contrast to have in a war gone. Lorca, the PTSD suffering extremist who it turns out never existed in the first place. Kol, the only Klingon I could stand who reminded me very much of a cross between Gawron, Chang, and Duras.
I mean the new crew of the Discovery has potential. Tactical guy, and the two drivers got names and lines this episode as did 7of9-meets-Nebula and I still really like Saru. Tilly continues to exceed Wesley and Jake for 'young persons view point character' (not up to Nogs standards yet, but we're only on series 1) so we're not going to be starved of people to follow from now on. Problem is they're all on the one ship.
The ongoing war arc demands the DS9 and ENT situation where we have recognisable enemy characters. Silik, Devra, Dukat, the Female Changling, Wayun (please excuse all those spellings) were all continuous faces across multiple series of their shows where as now all three named Klingon leaders (Kol, T'Kuvma, and Voq) are dead and Lorca could have been a recurring threat if he escaped the Mirror Universe (or even if he'd stayed, the Intendent hung around for ever). Even TNG managed recurring Klingon and Romulan plots and VGR had the Borg following them around and both those shows moved onwards. DSC needs recurring antagonists.
Exactly.
Judging by the most recent comments from Ted Sullivan, this MU arc was planned by Bryan Fuller (he even wanted to go sooner than we did). I think it was the new showrunnners that added the Klingon War stuff, because they wanted to make the Trump allegory.
And to be clear, I'm not surprised that Trek is doing this, because it is true that this topical/social commentary stuff has been in Trek's DNA from the start.
My biggest fear now is: they've gone too far, in detriment to the story itself. My fear is that they've bitten off WAY too much for one season, and are cutting corners for the sake of checking off social commentary checkboxes. The Lorca speech from last night's episode is a perfect example... it was fully intended to be a direct response to Trump/alt-right overtures (from the mouth of Issacs and Sullivan on After Trek). Great. They kneecapped my favorite character by turning him into Classic Villain 1, though... and, oh yeah, we still have SO MANY characters and plot lines that either haven't gotten their due, or were prematurely cut short. I don't think this Klingon War story will be a success, for example... too much tell-not-show, and we've been distracted by too many other things.
Social commentary has its place, for sure... I just see a whole lot of potential for this show, a lot of talent, but also a LOT of missed opportunities.
And, having said all of that, I'm still on board to finish this journey.
I wouldn't assume that Jason Isaacs is gone forever. We still don't really know what happened to Prime Lorca, and reading interviews with Jason Isaacs like this one, seems to be he we haven't seen the last of him.
A transporter in an ion storm was only part of the problem with Kirk wasn't it? i.e. both Kirks activated their transporter at the exact same time which confused the computers IIRC. If so then PrimeLorca was trying to transport somewhere at the same time MirrorLorca was so could possibly have ended up in the Mirror Universe somewhere. Possibly finding his way back, maybe a prisoner of Tholians or Romulans or something else away from the Rebels and the Empire.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Since I'm on my phone I am unable to use [spoiler]spoiler tags[/spoiler] (they simply don't work here). Edit: appearantly tags suddenly work on phones. Okay.
So I will avoid using spoilers, but who is doing the sound design for this show? The episode contained a lot of shooting and it sounds like a 1990's arcade video game xD The phaser sounds are pathetic and people desintegrating even play a "100 points" jingle. And a certain someone falling to their "alleged death" [spoiler]Lorca is as dead as Tyler was "tortured" by the Orcs. The whole execution of Stamets (prime? I thought they switched places...) only served to show whomever is about to fall into the spore core thingy won't be dead but will become a force ghost (like Stamets husband)[/spoiler] sounded like a tie fighter? As great as the score is, the sfx of DSC is horrible...
That aside, the show teases me with glimmers of hope that somehow all of it is reversed into proper timelines at the end. Let's see where this is going, as world building is my only interest here. I don't have any interest in any of the characters and don't really care what happens to them. It is however clear that none of the plots so far is resolved yet - although I still feel the stories of the war, mirrors and Mudd don't harmonize very well.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @angrytarg said: > So I will avoid using spoilers, but who is doing the sound design for this show? The episode contained a lot of shooting and it sounds like a 1990's arcade video game xD The phaser sounds are pathetic and people desintegrating even play a "100 points" jingle. And a certain someone falling to their "alleged death" [spoiler]Lorca is as dead as Tyler was "tortured" by the Orcs. The whole execution of Stamets (prime? I thought they switched places...) only served to show whomever is about to fall into the spore core thingy won't be dead but will become a force ghost (like Stamets husband)[/spoiler] sounded like a tie fighter? As great as the score is, the sfx of DSC is horrible...
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
All the interesting characters have been killed off. Phillipa, the perfect Picard and a nice contrast to have in a war gone. Lorca, the PTSD suffering extremist who it turns out never existed in the first place. Kol, the only Klingon I could stand who reminded me very much of a cross between Gawron, Chang, and Duras.
I mean the new crew of the Discovery has potential. Tactical guy, and the two drivers got names and lines this episode as did 7of9-meets-Nebula and I still really like Saru. Tilly continues to exceed Wesley and Jake for 'young persons view point character' (not up to Nogs standards yet, but we're only on series 1) so we're not going to be starved of people to follow from now on. Problem is they're all on the one ship.
The ongoing war arc demands the DS9 and ENT situation where we have recognisable enemy characters. Silik, Devra, Dukat, the Female Changling, Wayun (please excuse all those spellings) were all continuous faces across multiple series of their shows where as now all three named Klingon leaders (Kol, T'Kuvma, and Voq) are dead and Lorca could have been a recurring threat if he escaped the Mirror Universe (or even if he'd stayed, the Intendent hung around for ever). Even TNG managed recurring Klingon and Romulan plots and VGR had the Borg following them around and both those shows moved onwards. DSC needs recurring antagonists.
Phillipa being Picard-like is exactly why she would be a TERRIBLE captain in a war scenario. Picard is the worst possible person for this kind of situation because his one, and only, card, was playing the moral high ground in every situation. And the problem with that is, war isn't about morals, its about winning.
Now, What made Sisko a good war captain was that he was perfectly content with being an accomplice to the murder of a Romulan senator, and staging an elaborate lie, as a means to trick the Romulans into the war, because he knew it had to be done. If Picard was in the same situation, he wouldn't have stood for it, and the Federation would have lost the war due to the Romulans not joining in on our side. The Picard-type captain is really only useful for one, and only one, situation, that being, a mission of exploration where you have overwhelming technological superiority over your enemy, to the point you could easily annihilate their entire planet in moments if you wanted, because that is the only time playing the moral high ground works.
Also, the Klingon War arc is ending episode after next ,they already confirmed it isn't going to go into Season 2, so they have just two more episodes before it wraps up. They don't need recurring characters for an arc that isn't going to exist episode after next.
And now we have a Phillipa that would be a GREAT captain in a war scenario. Although, she might be a bit too violent for the Federation and the Klingons.
I wouldn't assume that Jason Isaacs is gone forever. We still don't really know what happened to Prime Lorca, and reading interviews with Jason Isaacs like this one, seems to be he we haven't seen the last of him.
A transporter in an ion storm was only part of the problem with Kirk wasn't it? i.e. both Kirks activated their transporter at the exact same time which confused the computers IIRC. If so then PrimeLorca was trying to transport somewhere at the same time MirrorLorca was so could possibly have ended up in the Mirror Universe somewhere. Possibly finding his way back, maybe a prisoner of Tholians or Romulans or something else away from the Rebels and the Empire.
Discovery made it seem exactly like Kirk's incident with the Mirror Universe. So Prime Lorca and Mirror Lorca switched places. Unless a Deus Ex Machina is used, then Prime Lorca and Mirror Lorca are dead.
I don't think he switched places with MirrorLorca (but if he did, he probably wishes he was) but that MirrorLorca wound up in the Prime Timeline aboard the Buran, and blew it up with everyone, including PrimeLorca aboard, so there would be no one to reveal that he wasn't 'the real' Lorca.
My theory on Hugh: Not a Force Ghost.
On an episode of TrekYards, there were some closeup screenshots that showed when the two Stamets' were having their 'network-chat', although it looked like Discovery, the dedication plaque read USS Stamets, meaning that it was a construct of his mind, with his subconscious and ego shaping the 'world' around him. Hugh was (in that scenario) a part of the 'world' around Stamets, and so I would guess was a representation of his conscience, being personified, as the person he loved, rather than an additional representation of himself.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
On an episode of TrekYards, there were some closeup screenshots that showed when the two Stamets' were having their 'network-chat', although it looked like Discovery, the dedication plaque read USS Stamets, meaning that it was a construct of his mind, with his subconscious and ego shaping the 'world' around him. Hugh was (in that scenario) a part of the 'world' around Stamets, and so I would guess was a representation of his conscience, being personified, as the person he loved, rather than an additional representation of himself.
My theory on Hugh is that due to his proximity to Stamets when he died, at least part of his conscience went into the Network. If we see Stamets start talking to his dead mother or dead childhood friend, then the Network might be some type of afterlife.
Phillipa being Picard-like is exactly why she would be a TERRIBLE captain in a war scenario. Picard is the worst possible person for this kind of situation because his one, and only, card, was playing the moral high ground in every situation. And the problem with that is, war isn't about morals, its about winning.
Picard would also have been a fantastic captain in a war situation. From the point of view of the audience not the Federation. One thing (the single and only) we got from Archer over Sisko was a healthy reflection of just how far he was willing to go and what it was doing to their status as explorers. With the exception of ItPM Sisko threw himself into the war, well, wars really, Marque, Cardassian, Klingon, Dominion, Borg (offscreen with his personal project to make the Defiant) with no reflection on what it was turning the Federation into. Same with pre-revelation Lorca. Can't tell with Janeway though thanks to the incoherent writing that has her a edge pushing extremist one episode and a hippy the very next with no intervening steps.
FC shows Picard can be pushed, imagine that built over 4-5 years or even have the war end in series 5 and have the next two set around having to re-find your ideals and the peace. Sisko never lost the Federation ideals in the same way as Picard or Georgiou would because he never had those sort of ideal in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, Sisko's brilliant and DS9 is my favourite series, I just feel there are other angles to explore, especially so DSC dosn't become a rehash of DS9 in the same way VGR was of TNG.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Picard was a seasoned commander during wartime. Just because he wouldn't immediately throw away everything he believes in the second it becomes difficult doesn't make him a bad "wartime captain". Some people should really check their priorities, fictional or otherwise, when conflict automatically means betraying your ideals instantly.
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
> @angrytarg said:
> So I will avoid using spoilers, but who is doing the sound design for this show? The episode contained a lot of shooting and it sounds like a 1990's arcade video game xD The phaser sounds are pathetic and people desintegrating even play a "100 points" jingle. And a certain someone falling to their "alleged death" (Spoiler)
sounded like a tie fighter? As great as the score is, the sfx of DSC is horrible...
That wasn't a TIE fighter. It was a stock scream.
In the episode, the first half of
Lorca's
death scream / disintegration sound effect sounded exactly like the scream of a TIE Fighter's engines, not the sound you linked. Now, I doubt it's actually the same sound as the TIE Fighter, but at the very least the sound of the scream combined with the music and other ambient sounds in the scene combined to produce a very similar effect.
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death scream / disintegration sound effect sounded exactly like the scream of a TIE Fighter's engines, not the sound you linked. Now, I doubt it's actually the same sound as the TIE Fighter, but at the very least the sound of the scream combined with the music and other ambient sounds in the scene combined to produce a very similar effect.
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"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Picard was a seasoned commander during wartime. Just because he wouldn't immediately throw away everything he believes in the second it becomes difficult doesn't make him a bad "wartime captain". Some people should really check their priorities, fictional or otherwise, when conflict automatically means betraying your ideals instantly.
Agreed, and since i am getting older, I am gonna say that this is a problem of the young people today, that they believe because they are the good guys ,they can do all the stuff the bad guys do, because the means justify the ends. They don't. With the wrong means, the ends will no longer be achieved.
If the only way to save your pluralistic, democratic utopia is to install a dictatorship and limit freedom of spech and stop talking with people that have differing opinions, you're doing it wrong.
And now everyone get off my lawn!
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The criticism of Picard in a crisis stems less from his staunch morality, but more from his indecisiveness. Recall during "Q Who" when he called a conference meeting with a Borg Cube parked right off their bow despite having just exchanged fire with the Cube. Picard was always very hesitant to respond to sudden aggression, which usually left the Enterprise with its defenses depleted against much weaker opponents. In a diplomatic situation Picard's patience and deliberation were great assets, but when the situation called for a show of force he was almost a liability... at least TV-Picard was this way, movie-Picard was just another generic action hero.
Picard tended to rely to much on the Enterprise's technological advantage when dealing with most of the regional civilizations in the show. If you stuck him on an Excelsior or Miranda class ship he would have never been able to get away with being so lax. In that situation he would have been just another of Starfleet's snobbish captains that were out of their depth when it mattered.
Then there is also the issue of nepotism. Picard was fully willing to turn a blind eye to misconduct or to give preferential treatment if you were somebody he liked, such as with Worf and Wesley on multiple occasions. On the flipside if you didn't adhere to his almost aristocratic world view of what it meant to be an "evolved" society then he had little use for your existence.
Picard was a seasoned commander during wartime. Just because he wouldn't immediately throw away everything he believes in the second it becomes difficult doesn't make him a bad "wartime captain". Some people should really check their priorities, fictional or otherwise, when conflict automatically means betraying your ideals instantly.
Agreed, and since i am getting older, I am gonna say that this is a problem of the young people today, that they believe because they are the good guys ,they can do all the stuff the bad guys do, because the means justify the ends. They don't. With the wrong means, the ends will no longer be achieved.
If the only way to save your pluralistic, democratic utopia is to install a dictatorship and limit freedom of spech and stop talking with people that have differing opinions, you're doing it wrong.
And now everyone get off my lawn!
Lol what? Lily Sloane did a good job at explaining why I don't think Picard would do a good job. Also... it may be why the admiralty wasn't keen on having him as part of the big fight...
See. We're all talking about it. it would have been interesting.
FC is a good facet to Picard but remeber he also invented the Picard Manoeuvre on the fly in a clamped out TMP era rustbucket. Not too shabby for a hesitant diplomat.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The criticism of Picard in a crisis stems less from his staunch morality, but more from his indecisiveness. Recall during "Q Who" when he called a conference meeting with a Borg Cube parked right off their bow despite having just exchanged fire with the Cube. Picard was always very hesitant to respond to sudden aggression, which usually left the Enterprise with its defenses depleted against much weaker opponents. In a diplomatic situation Picard's patience and deliberation were great assets, but when the situation called for a show of force he was almost a liability... at least TV-Picard was this way, movie-Picard was just another generic action hero.
Picard tended to rely to much on the Enterprise's technological advantage when dealing with most of the regional civilizations in the show. If you stuck him on an Excelsior or Miranda class ship he would have never been able to get away with being so lax. In that situation he would have been just another of Starfleet's snobbish captains that were out of their depth when it mattered.
And he probably would have done things differently in such a case. He didn't always captain a Galaxy Class ship, and he dealt with being the underdog both on the Stargazer and the Galaxy. And he always came out ahead, didn't he?
Then there is also the issue of nepotism. Picard was fully willing to turn a blind eye to misconduct or to give preferential treatment if you were somebody he liked, such as with Worf and Wesley on multiple occasions. On the flipside if you didn't adhere to his almost aristocratic world view of what it meant to be an "evolved" society then he had little use for your existence.
I wonder if you could actually name a real example for that.
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The criticism of Picard in a crisis stems less from his staunch morality, but more from his indecisiveness. Recall during "Q Who" when he called a conference meeting with a Borg Cube parked right off their bow despite having just exchanged fire with the Cube. Picard was always very hesitant to respond to sudden aggression, which usually left the Enterprise with its defenses depleted against much weaker opponents. In a diplomatic situation Picard's patience and deliberation were great assets, but when the situation called for a show of force he was almost a liability... at least TV-Picard was this way, movie-Picard was just another generic action hero.
Picard tended to rely to much on the Enterprise's technological advantage when dealing with most of the regional civilizations in the show. If you stuck him on an Excelsior or Miranda class ship he would have never been able to get away with being so lax. In that situation he would have been just another of Starfleet's snobbish captains that were out of their depth when it mattered.
And he probably would have done things differently in such a case. He didn't always captain a Galaxy Class ship, and he dealt with being the underdog both on the Stargazer and the Galaxy. And he always came out ahead, didn't he?
Then there is also the issue of nepotism. Picard was fully willing to turn a blind eye to misconduct or to give preferential treatment if you were somebody he liked, such as with Worf and Wesley on multiple occasions. On the flipside if you didn't adhere to his almost aristocratic world view of what it meant to be an "evolved" society then he had little use for your existence.
I wonder if you could actually name a real example for that.
He got the Stargazer shot out from under him so his track record isn't exactly spotless.
As for examples of nepotism, that was pretty much Wesley's entire story arc in TNG. Picard was playing favorites with him because he was a family friend. I can't remember the title of the episode but there was one where Picard put Wesley in charge of a team of red shirts, they objected as Wesley wasn't a real officer and they felt it was degrading to be under Wesley's command. Worf got away with premeditated murder with only a slap on the wrist. Despite anything Duras might have done, he was still a member of a foreign ruling body and Worf killed him. Picard lets him off the hook with a stern warning. This becomes something of a repeat pattern for Worf, where he tosses aside his Starfleet badge whenever it is inconvenient and goes off to do Klingon stuff (such as fight in the Klingon civil war, again to fight the Duras family).
The example of Picard's intolerance can be seen on display in a few episodes. There are the minor instances of his disdain for capitalism and religion, but the big one was in the Season One finale where he openly wishes death upon the recently revived 20th century people. He openly disparages them as being barbaric cavemen (having never actually interacted with them) and tells Dr. Crusher that they should have stayed dead. Despite them being strangers he had already made up his mind that they had nothing of value to Federation culture and were only going to taint the world with their presence.
The example of Picard's intolerance can be seen on display in a few episodes. There are the minor instances of his disdain for capitalism and religion, but the big one was in the Season One finale where he openly wishes death upon the recently revived 20th century people. He openly disparages them as being barbaric cavemen (having never actually interacted with them) and tells Dr. Crusher that they should have stayed dead. Despite them being strangers he had already made up his mind that they had nothing of value to Federation culture and were only going to taint the world with their presence.
The interesting thing there is just how naïve this episode made Picard and the Federation diplomatic corps look. Picard's talking to the Romulan guy and the old stock trader guy takes one look at the Romulan and is like "he's being cagey because he doesn't know anything either". Then again, if the Federation really IS a utopia I suppose basic cunning would be a thing of the past.
"According to Parrot Analytics - video below - Star Trek: Discovery has more than 53 million people talking about it in the US. That beats The Walking Dead which has around 46m expressions."
Which means... what? The show is a political hot-bed and people cannot seem to shut up about anything with a politcal bent in the US. Jason Isaacs in particular is incredibly polarizing.
Let's look at Parrot's system.
"Demand Expressions do not strictly correspond to a physical interpretation: They are not the same as the number of people or impressions interested in or related to the title. The reason for this is that each component of Demand Expressions is weighted depending on how strongly it indicates demand for the title.
For example, a like on the show's Facebook page is not as indicative of demand as a P2P file download, where the user is actually consuming the content. Therefore, a like is weighted much lower than a download in the Demand Rank algorithm. Another way to put this is that a stream or download is considered a much more important expression of demand than a social “like”.
So, a download weighs more than a Facebook post, but if you have enough Facebook posts, you'll get a huge number. What good is this system, then? Something being a "hot topic" is not the same as "popular". People are not talking about terrorist attacks because they want more of them.
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"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
People in my experience aren't usually that uninformed. They may not be able to rattle off minutiae like the caliber of a Panzer III's main gun or the specifics of Guderian's combined arms methods (the blitzkrieg), but they'll probably at least have heard the names "panzer" and "blitzkrieg".
The lack of referral theory works a lot better: in-universe, the 24th century Terrans named their ship after Sato's Defiant, we just weren't told that because the story was from the POV of the prime universe characters and everybody had other things like fighting a slave revolt on their mind.
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Also, as an aside, I'm REALLY tired of Issacs bringing up Trump in EVERY DAMN INTERVIEW he does for this show. We get it, Trump is an TRIBBLE, and you don't like him. Move on.
Now, all of that said, I'm still on board for the show. Further, the MU thread was the strongest plot line of the season (especially given the Lorca plant from the beginning). I truly don't know where they're going with final two episodes, but I'm not sure if they can redeem the Klingon War arc. More on that later...
I've always gotten the vibe that Isaacs is just a bit of a TRIBBLE in general. The kind of guy who, if you're buddies, he's okay to be around, but everyone else just gets the TRIBBLE treatment. The kind of guy you could be buddies with, but when you introduce him to other friends, they're like "Why do you hang out with this TRIBBLE and put up with his TRIBBLE?"
I'm looking forward to running into him at a convention, and talking about how much I've enjoyed his body of work (which I genuinely have) but when it comes to Discovery, I'll just have to shrug, and say "You said not to watch it, so I didn't..." Might be worth the black eye
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Gotta agree with all of that. Essentially my views on it in a nutshell.
I mean the new crew of the Discovery has potential. Tactical guy, and the two drivers got names and lines this episode as did 7of9-meets-Nebula and I still really like Saru. Tilly continues to exceed Wesley and Jake for 'young persons view point character' (not up to Nogs standards yet, but we're only on series 1) so we're not going to be starved of people to follow from now on. Problem is they're all on the one ship.
The ongoing war arc demands the DS9 and ENT situation where we have recognisable enemy characters. Silik, Devra, Dukat, the Female Changling, Wayun (please excuse all those spellings) were all continuous faces across multiple series of their shows where as now all three named Klingon leaders (Kol, T'Kuvma, and Voq) are dead and Lorca could have been a recurring threat if he escaped the Mirror Universe (or even if he'd stayed, the Intendent hung around for ever). Even TNG managed recurring Klingon and Romulan plots and VGR had the Borg following them around and both those shows moved onwards. DSC needs recurring antagonists.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Heh, I like that comparison. That's probably very true, LOL.
Exactly.
And to be clear, I'm not surprised that Trek is doing this, because it is true that this topical/social commentary stuff has been in Trek's DNA from the start.
My biggest fear now is: they've gone too far, in detriment to the story itself. My fear is that they've bitten off WAY too much for one season, and are cutting corners for the sake of checking off social commentary checkboxes. The Lorca speech from last night's episode is a perfect example... it was fully intended to be a direct response to Trump/alt-right overtures (from the mouth of Issacs and Sullivan on After Trek). Great. They kneecapped my favorite character by turning him into Classic Villain 1, though... and, oh yeah, we still have SO MANY characters and plot lines that either haven't gotten their due, or were prematurely cut short. I don't think this Klingon War story will be a success, for example... too much tell-not-show, and we've been distracted by too many other things.
Social commentary has its place, for sure... I just see a whole lot of potential for this show, a lot of talent, but also a LOT of missed opportunities.
And, having said all of that, I'm still on board to finish this journey.
A transporter in an ion storm was only part of the problem with Kirk wasn't it? i.e. both Kirks activated their transporter at the exact same time which confused the computers IIRC. If so then PrimeLorca was trying to transport somewhere at the same time MirrorLorca was so could possibly have ended up in the Mirror Universe somewhere. Possibly finding his way back, maybe a prisoner of Tholians or Romulans or something else away from the Rebels and the Empire.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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So I will avoid using spoilers, but who is doing the sound design for this show? The episode contained a lot of shooting and it sounds like a 1990's arcade video game xD The phaser sounds are pathetic and people desintegrating even play a "100 points" jingle. And a certain someone falling to their "alleged death" [spoiler]Lorca is as dead as Tyler was "tortured" by the Orcs. The whole execution of Stamets (prime? I thought they switched places...) only served to show whomever is about to fall into the spore core thingy won't be dead but will become a force ghost (like Stamets husband)[/spoiler] sounded like a tie fighter? As great as the score is, the sfx of DSC is horrible...
That aside, the show teases me with glimmers of hope that somehow all of it is reversed into proper timelines at the end. Let's see where this is going, as world building is my only interest here. I don't have any interest in any of the characters and don't really care what happens to them. It is however clear that none of the plots so far is resolved yet - although I still feel the stories of the war, mirrors and Mudd don't harmonize very well.
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> So I will avoid using spoilers, but who is doing the sound design for this show? The episode contained a lot of shooting and it sounds like a 1990's arcade video game xD The phaser sounds are pathetic and people desintegrating even play a "100 points" jingle. And a certain someone falling to their "alleged death" [spoiler]Lorca is as dead as Tyler was "tortured" by the Orcs. The whole execution of Stamets (prime? I thought they switched places...) only served to show whomever is about to fall into the spore core thingy won't be dead but will become a force ghost (like Stamets husband)[/spoiler] sounded like a tie fighter? As great as the score is, the sfx of DSC is horrible...
That wasn't a TIE fighter. It was a stock scream.
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
And now we have a Phillipa that would be a GREAT captain in a war scenario. Although, she might be a bit too violent for the Federation and the Klingons.
Discovery made it seem exactly like Kirk's incident with the Mirror Universe. So Prime Lorca and Mirror Lorca switched places. Unless a Deus Ex Machina is used, then Prime Lorca and Mirror Lorca are dead.
I don't think he switched places with MirrorLorca (but if he did, he probably wishes he was) but that MirrorLorca wound up in the Prime Timeline aboard the Buran, and blew it up with everyone, including PrimeLorca aboard, so there would be no one to reveal that he wasn't 'the real' Lorca.
My theory on Hugh: Not a Force Ghost.
On an episode of TrekYards, there were some closeup screenshots that showed when the two Stamets' were having their 'network-chat', although it looked like Discovery, the dedication plaque read USS Stamets, meaning that it was a construct of his mind, with his subconscious and ego shaping the 'world' around him. Hugh was (in that scenario) a part of the 'world' around Stamets, and so I would guess was a representation of his conscience, being personified, as the person he loved, rather than an additional representation of himself.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
My theory on Hugh is that due to his proximity to Stamets when he died, at least part of his conscience went into the Network. If we see Stamets start talking to his dead mother or dead childhood friend, then the Network might be some type of afterlife.
Picard would also have been a fantastic captain in a war situation. From the point of view of the audience not the Federation. One thing (the single and only) we got from Archer over Sisko was a healthy reflection of just how far he was willing to go and what it was doing to their status as explorers. With the exception of ItPM Sisko threw himself into the war, well, wars really, Marque, Cardassian, Klingon, Dominion, Borg (offscreen with his personal project to make the Defiant) with no reflection on what it was turning the Federation into. Same with pre-revelation Lorca. Can't tell with Janeway though thanks to the incoherent writing that has her a edge pushing extremist one episode and a hippy the very next with no intervening steps.
FC shows Picard can be pushed, imagine that built over 4-5 years or even have the war end in series 5 and have the next two set around having to re-find your ideals and the peace. Sisko never lost the Federation ideals in the same way as Picard or Georgiou would because he never had those sort of ideal in the first place.
Don't get me wrong, Sisko's brilliant and DS9 is my favourite series, I just feel there are other angles to explore, especially so DSC dosn't become a rehash of DS9 in the same way VGR was of TNG.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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If the only way to save your pluralistic, democratic utopia is to install a dictatorship and limit freedom of spech and stop talking with people that have differing opinions, you're doing it wrong.
And now everyone get off my lawn!
Picard tended to rely to much on the Enterprise's technological advantage when dealing with most of the regional civilizations in the show. If you stuck him on an Excelsior or Miranda class ship he would have never been able to get away with being so lax. In that situation he would have been just another of Starfleet's snobbish captains that were out of their depth when it mattered.
Then there is also the issue of nepotism. Picard was fully willing to turn a blind eye to misconduct or to give preferential treatment if you were somebody he liked, such as with Worf and Wesley on multiple occasions. On the flipside if you didn't adhere to his almost aristocratic world view of what it meant to be an "evolved" society then he had little use for your existence.
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FC is a good facet to Picard but remeber he also invented the Picard Manoeuvre on the fly in a clamped out TMP era rustbucket. Not too shabby for a hesitant diplomat.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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I wonder if you could actually name a real example for that.
He got the Stargazer shot out from under him so his track record isn't exactly spotless.
As for examples of nepotism, that was pretty much Wesley's entire story arc in TNG. Picard was playing favorites with him because he was a family friend. I can't remember the title of the episode but there was one where Picard put Wesley in charge of a team of red shirts, they objected as Wesley wasn't a real officer and they felt it was degrading to be under Wesley's command. Worf got away with premeditated murder with only a slap on the wrist. Despite anything Duras might have done, he was still a member of a foreign ruling body and Worf killed him. Picard lets him off the hook with a stern warning. This becomes something of a repeat pattern for Worf, where he tosses aside his Starfleet badge whenever it is inconvenient and goes off to do Klingon stuff (such as fight in the Klingon civil war, again to fight the Duras family).
The example of Picard's intolerance can be seen on display in a few episodes. There are the minor instances of his disdain for capitalism and religion, but the big one was in the Season One finale where he openly wishes death upon the recently revived 20th century people. He openly disparages them as being barbaric cavemen (having never actually interacted with them) and tells Dr. Crusher that they should have stayed dead. Despite them being strangers he had already made up his mind that they had nothing of value to Federation culture and were only going to taint the world with their presence.
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"According to Parrot Analytics - video below - Star Trek: Discovery has more than 53 million people talking about it in the US. That beats The Walking Dead which has around 46m expressions."
Which means... what? The show is a political hot-bed and people cannot seem to shut up about anything with a politcal bent in the US. Jason Isaacs in particular is incredibly polarizing.
Let's look at Parrot's system.
"Demand Expressions do not strictly correspond to a physical interpretation: They are not the same as the number of people or impressions interested in or related to the title. The reason for this is that each component of Demand Expressions is weighted depending on how strongly it indicates demand for the title.
For example, a like on the show's Facebook page is not as indicative of demand as a P2P file download, where the user is actually consuming the content. Therefore, a like is weighted much lower than a download in the Demand Rank algorithm. Another way to put this is that a stream or download is considered a much more important expression of demand than a social “like”.
So, a download weighs more than a Facebook post, but if you have enough Facebook posts, you'll get a huge number. What good is this system, then? Something being a "hot topic" is not the same as "popular". People are not talking about terrorist attacks because they want more of them.