you know things move on . i am a fan of the next generation and love the ERA but like alllways the old must make room for the new . its how its allways been whether its real life or your favourite tv show franchise
We're talking about a PREquel here. Actually, not even that, it's an INTERquel. There is a show before and after it. That's not really what I call moving on and do something new since you have to fit between two shows that finished their runs a while ago and even gave birth to sequel shows themselves.
you know things move on . i am a fan of the next generation and love the ERA but like alllways the old must make room for the new . its how its allways been whether its real life or your favourite tv show franchise
We're talking about a PREquel here. Actually, not even that, it's an INTERquel. There is a show before and after it. That's not really what I call moving on and do something new since you have to fit between two shows that finished their runs a while ago and even gave birth to sequel shows themselves.
We get it.
Truly, we do. There are many, myself included, who would have loved a nostalgiac look at Trek. There are many good ways to go with that, from full retro to retro upgrade. It's one of the things I was looking forward to from Axanar.
But it was never going to happen. It is unrealistic to think there was ever even a potential for it to happen. Hollywood doesn't work that way.
For example: you are the costume designer for the new Trek. When was the last time an award was given for recreating a uniform designed by someone else? How can you be cutting edge if you have to go back fifty years to a design which not only never won an award, but was actually rejected by the TV executives of the era?
It is fine to want the new show to have a particular appearance, but it is unrealistic to have ever expected that it would.
I have been giving the whole Prime Universe thing a good bit of thought, and I can only conclude that in Star Trek there is no Prime Universe. For Discovery's development team to make the claim thai it is set in the Prime Universe requires an understanding of what the Prime Universe is.
Is it the one with humans living on the Orion Colonies with green animal women? Or the one with an Orion native race that went to the stars eons before humans built the pyramids? Is it the one with a war between the Earth Federation and the Romulan Empire using sublight ships and atomic weapons? Or the one with Archer leading an armada of allied species using warp capable vessels armed with phasers? Was it the one with the statue of Zephram Cochrane on Alpha Centauri Colony or the one with the statue in Montana?
The TOS universe no longer exists in canon, having been overwritten by later series, (primarily by Enterprise.) The TOS universe is no longer the Prime Star Trek Universe. The TOS we eagerly watched each week "In Living Color" on our black and white TVs is an historical drama based on the exploits of an historical ship and crew, but it is not history. As in all historical dramas, you have to sift through the story for bits of history.
TOS is no longer canon. The retcons have made it obsolete. Discovery can comfortably sit in the same era as The Cage and claim it is set in Star Trek's Prime Universe because TOS is not.
Here, the showrunner and previous showrunner stated they wanted to 'make their mark'-and what a pathetic mark it is!! Klingons, for forty years a warrior culture through four television series and several movies. pragmatic, not religious
Are we talking about the same Klingons here? The ones that spend their time engaging in meditation, have monasteries and priests, and an afterlife and funerary rituals pertaining to it? This seems like a pretty Spiritualist culture to me.
Spiritualist isn't religious, and it doesn't require impractical ceremony. there's a major difference between developing meditative focus or belief in an afterlife, and wearing something that will, in your regular day to day, guarantee you're an easy target for rivals. (Such as sculpty armor that hinders movement, or silly and baroque decorations that actively inhibit the mechanical purposes of items.)
Yep. Being spiritual does not mean religious.
We seen many example in Trek: Vulcan Culture, for example.
Also, one of my bits Picard said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm5NDxdp4-E
I myself feel there is some higher power, not in the form of an angry old man with a beard , sitting on a gold throne, and that some other plane of existence awaits us upon the death of the body, that we are not gonna be only a pile of rotting meat.
To me, religious pretty much means sticking to whatever dusty old scripture says, aka the Pat Robertson and Kim Davis types.
Are we talking about the same Klingons here? The ones that spend their time engaging in meditation, have monasteries and priests, and an afterlife and funerary rituals pertaining to it? This seems like a pretty Spiritualist culture to me.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I am pretty sire there are more inconsistancies in tng too. Trek doesnt have canon, Only DSC is canon, all the other is failed outdated attempt not fit for modern audience.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Nonononono, you're entirely missing the point of what I was meaning with the analogy: I'm not making a comparison relating to the quality of the meals(shows) in question, but the most basic observation that noodles in ketchup, is not spaghetti in maranara sauce, and just because the restaurant's menu board says 'spaghetti in maranara sauce', is not going to change the fact that what's on the plate, is noodles in ketchup. Translation: They can say this is Prime Timeline, but everything about its presentation, says Kelvin Timeline.
Well, no I have not misunderstood or missed your point. I've simply shown it is a matter of opinion and in this case does not work. Again, CBS sold TNG as your spaghetti. Some claimed it was noodles. 30 years later, it's still spaghetti because the IP owner said it is and the fans accepted it as such.
And that's irrelevant, because TNG's eventual popularity isn't the topic under discussion, or even the point being made about Discovery. TNG becoming popular, is no proof, guarantee nor indicator that Discovery will become popular. And that is not the point.
The point being made, is that Discovery was hyped as Prime Timeline (because that's a hook they knew would draw part of the fan-base) but it is clearly not (unless considered a total reboot) Prime Timeline, because the aesthetics are so wildly different (and yet strangely congruous to the Kelvin Timeline)
Not a commentary about how good it is or may be, but a simple case of "This isn't what was floated promotionally".
That, is a massively dishonest strawman, and if that is your recollection, or lack thereof, I suggest you refresh your memory.
The very first trailer, Very. Clearly. Stated:
*in transition*
10 Years Before Kirk
10 Years Before Spock
10 Years Before the Enterprise
There was Discovery.
That Right There sets the timeframe of the series. It does so undeniably. It does so unquestionably. To try and claim otherwise, is disingenuous and dishonest, especially when the reference material is easily available to check.
And where exactly are the words "it's going to look exactly like "The Cage too"? Huge difference between what you may want it to look like and what the owners say it will look like. We may not like it, but it is what it is and there isn't much we can do about it now.
That, is a Complex Question, aka a fallacy, so not a legitimate point which needs addressing as if it was a valid point. But, for the sake of completeness; the words did not need to be present, for the effects of their implication, to still be valid and neccesary: Subject identification (the stating that this is Prime Timeline) necessitates compliance to the appropriate conventions of the subject.
10 Years Before the Grassy Knoll, would require that JFK be dressed in era-appropriate clothing, not giving him a Kurt Cobain make-over. Saying something is something, doesn't make it so. Discovery identifies as Prime Timeline, but that doesn't make it Prime Timeline.
If you're okay with that, if that doesn't bother you, then fine; That's your prerogative. But don't be so disingenuous as to pretend that the observations and critiques of those who have pointed out the flaws in the presentation, are somehow imagined or invalid, or to present an intentionally flawed strawman just so you can refute it. Engage and debate honestly, or not at all.
I don't pretend anything. If you would like, I can go back and re-quote myself from the various threads about this topic where I have stated on many occasions that I can understand where people are coming from with regard to the look. I'll also re-quote myself on how I agree it does look a lot different and would have preferred a more Axanar aesthetic myself if that will refresh your memory. All I have tried to do is point out that it's going to be different whether we want it to be or not, and to give it a chance before condemning it. CBS can update and redesign their property however they see fit. There isn't much any of us can do about it. Give it a chance and if it turns out that it doesn't appeal to you, then don't watch it and no harm done.
In a legal sense, yes, they can. But this is not a matter of legal capability or entitlement.
The point, is that they Should Not do so. (see The Force Awakens, as an example of how something like this should be handled) Certainly not when going to all the trouble of putting themselves in the position of dealing with such an already pre-defined era (for the marketing) If they wanted to do New and Improved, fine. Do it UP the timeline after Nemesis, and ditch the '10 Years Before...' bait. (but that wouldn't work so well in terms of getting rubes to subscribe for Streaming, and that is what this show's existence is all about ) This is an interquel, which brings specific codes, conventions and diktats to a project, all of which, have been Completely Ignored with this presentation.
As a project, it fails to meet the goals defined by its own creators, so deserves no consideration beyond dismissal as 'not as advertised'.
I'm happy to eat egg noodles with ketchup, but don't invite me in for spaghetti with maranara sauce, put noodles with ketchup in front of me, and then have the audacity to try and gaslight by insisting that it is in fact spaghetti with maranara sauce. Honesty. Authenticity. Fundamental concepts, but clearly too tricky for some to live up to :-\
Discovery is an exercise in gaslighting, so again, deserves no consideration beyond dismissal as 'not as advertised', with a side of 'can't trust anything they say again...' thrown in.
And, as soon as it gets aired, it becomes canon, thus amending/invalidating/updating existing canon (the very things which Discovery is using as a subscriber-lure) The original IP, the coat-tails of which Discovery is massively riding upon, becomes invalidated. So yes, that is indeed 'harm done' :-\
I don't have Netflix, so I won't be capable of watching it, but even if I did, I still wouldn't watch it, because it's not what it says it is, and I find the way the project has been handled,as morally reprehensible, and thus not something I will watch
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
And that's irrelevant, because TNG's eventual popularity isn't the topic under discussion, or even the point being made about Discovery. TNG becoming popular, is no proof, guarantee nor indicator that Discovery will become popular. And that is not the point.
No, it is not irrelevant. The history of TNG and the refusal of many to call it "Star Trek" when it first began is no different than what is happening right now with Discovery. People back then said it wasn't Trek because it didn't have Kirk and Spock. People today are saying Discovery isn't Trek because it looks different than what has come before. Very easy to see this. See your own comment below;
The point being made, is that Discovery was hyped as Prime Timeline (because that's a hook they knew would draw part of the fan-base) but it is clearly not (unless considered a total reboot) Prime Timeline, because the aesthetics are so wildly different (and yet strangely congruous to the Kelvin Timeline)
People said essentially the same exact things about TNG 30 years ago. It looked too different. It didn't have familiar characters. An actual Klingon in Starfleet? That can't be Star Trek! It was and still is.
In a legal sense, yes, they can. But this is not a matter of legal capability or entitlement.
The point, is that they Should Not do so.
And I disagree. IMO CBS should absolutely change the IP to keep it fresh and have it appeal to modern audiences. Quite frankly, I don't care what Disney does with Star Wars or the BBC does with Doctor Who and how much or how little to change their properties. It's a matter of preference to the individual, something which seems lost on the select few over zealous fanatics.
So far, CBS and Paramount are just bean counters with no clue on how to do anything.
Personally, I'd trust neither of them to open a can of sardines that was already open. That's what little faith I have in them.
And at least Disney seems to respect the fans, it seems.
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TFA was basically a rehash of A New Hope. That's the problem that particular installment of Star Wars has. Not only that, but Rey is pretty OP to be able to do a mind trick without training, let alone wield a lightsaber against a trained opponent, injured or not.
Although I will concede that Rogue One was a good movie.
The fact is we can debate every aspect of Discovery until we DIE, but it is ALL SPECULATION right now. It would be better to just wait until the show actually airs before forming opinions one way or the other.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Still Shadow... she had SQUAT for training. Hell... Pretty sure she denied she even had it. Then all of a sudden decides to use not only Mind Trick, but even was able to use Pull? And I should also mention that she was able to break the hold of a TRAINED Force User on the Skywalker lightsaber to call it to herself.
ZERO Training whatsoever, and she was able to match someone who was essentially at Jedi Knight level, even if he was dark side and injured. Even Luke Skywalker himself wasn't that powerful before training! He could barely pull that lightsaber out of ice on Hoth without training, and Rey... psh... pulls it to her like its nothing!
The Characters are alright, but there are some serious plot holes in TFA.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite colored text = mod mode
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
you know things move on . i am a fan of the next generation and love the ERA but like alllways the old must make room for the new . its how its allways been whether its real life or your favourite tv show franchise
We're talking about a PREquel here. Actually, not even that, it's an INTERquel. There is a show before and after it. That's not really what I call moving on and do something new since you have to fit between two shows that finished their runs a while ago and even gave birth to sequel shows themselves.
I seriously doubt it is an interquel due to how difficult it would be to make it a prequel of TOS and a sequel of Enterprise. Therefore, it is likely going to be either a prequel of TOS, a sequel of Enterprise, or it is not set 10 years before TOS. Axanar would be a prequel to TOS. However, I suspect that if Discovery is set in the Prime Universe, it is a sequel of Enterprise not a prequel of TOS.
TFA was basically a rehash of A New Hope. That's the problem that particular installment of Star Wars has. Not only that, but Rey is pretty OP to be able to do a mind trick without training, let alone wield a lightsaber against a trained opponent, injured or not.
Although I will concede that Rogue One was a good movie.
The fact is we can debate every aspect of Discovery until we DIE, but it is ALL SPECULATION right now. It would be better to just wait until the show actually airs before forming opinions one way or the other.
No disagreement from me on those scores, you're absolutely right. But. That. Is. Not. The. Point. Being. Made.
TFA was true to the stylings and aesthetics of the rest of the Star Wars saga. Minor variation in trooper armor and X-Wing design, sure, but all immediately identifiable as the same things, set in the same continuity. Stand ANH Luke and TFA Poe together, and they'd both be wearing near-identical flightsuits.
And there's no speculation whatsoever. Discovery's look has been shown. That IS how it looks. I don't care WHY it looks the way it looks, the fact remains, that it doesn't look the way it should, for the era and Timeline which They Chose To Use (unless, it is revealed to be a complete reboot, which still makes their promotional campaign disingenuous and manipulative, for using that '10 before' BS as a lure to get viewers, while knowing full well, they had no intention on delivering that promise.)
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
And that's irrelevant, because TNG's eventual popularity isn't the topic under discussion, or even the point being made about Discovery. TNG becoming popular, is no proof, guarantee nor indicator that Discovery will become popular. And that is not the point.
No, it is not irrelevant. The history of TNG and the refusal of many to call it "Star Trek" when it first began is no different than what is happening right now with Discovery. People back then said it wasn't Trek because it didn't have Kirk and Spock. People today are saying Discovery isn't Trek because it looks different than what has come before. Very easy to see this. See your own comment below;
The point being made, is that Discovery was hyped as Prime Timeline (because that's a hook they knew would draw part of the fan-base) but it is clearly not (unless considered a total reboot) Prime Timeline, because the aesthetics are so wildly different (and yet strangely congruous to the Kelvin Timeline)
People said essentially the same exact things about TNG 30 years ago. It looked too different. It didn't have familiar characters. An actual Klingon in Starfleet? That can't be Star Trek! It was and still is.
In a legal sense, yes, they can. But this is not a matter of legal capability or entitlement.
The point, is that they Should Not do so.
And I disagree. IMO CBS should absolutely change the IP to keep it fresh and have it appeal to modern audiences. Quite frankly, I don't care what Disney does with Star Wars or the BBC does with Doctor Who and how much or how little to change their properties. It's a matter of preference to the individual, something which seems lost on the select few over zealous fanatics.
Yes, is IS irrelevant, because it's not the same issue, and not the same show! TNG WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT. That was the while point of it! And that IS NOT THE POINT being made about Discovery, so it is an irrelevant example to bring to the discussion. Ketchup and maranara sauce. It's as simple as that. One thing is one thing, the other is the other, and the two are not the same thing, and never will be, no matter how much gaslighting tries to claim otherwise.
Discovery was floated as being Prime Timeline at a specific time. That means the whole looks has to fit in with what was done before, not changing the way everything looks. That's what a project like this means! Like I said, I wouldn't have cared if they wanted to do a whole new series, change everything, and go their own way, but Post-Nemesis. Not by taking a massive deuce all over the existing IP, whilst riding on its coat-tails to try and lure subscribers!
Of course you disagree. You're a contrarian. I could say 'the sky is blue', and you'd dispute that as well, because that's what you are.
"I fight for the Users!" - Tron
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Maybe we'll see a true to the original connie during the shows run. For me that'd be a nice treat.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
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We get it.
Truly, we do. There are many, myself included, who would have loved a nostalgiac look at Trek. There are many good ways to go with that, from full retro to retro upgrade. It's one of the things I was looking forward to from Axanar.
But it was never going to happen. It is unrealistic to think there was ever even a potential for it to happen. Hollywood doesn't work that way.
For example: you are the costume designer for the new Trek. When was the last time an award was given for recreating a uniform designed by someone else? How can you be cutting edge if you have to go back fifty years to a design which not only never won an award, but was actually rejected by the TV executives of the era?
It is fine to want the new show to have a particular appearance, but it is unrealistic to have ever expected that it would.
I have been giving the whole Prime Universe thing a good bit of thought, and I can only conclude that in Star Trek there is no Prime Universe. For Discovery's development team to make the claim thai it is set in the Prime Universe requires an understanding of what the Prime Universe is.
Is it the one with humans living on the Orion Colonies with green animal women? Or the one with an Orion native race that went to the stars eons before humans built the pyramids? Is it the one with a war between the Earth Federation and the Romulan Empire using sublight ships and atomic weapons? Or the one with Archer leading an armada of allied species using warp capable vessels armed with phasers? Was it the one with the statue of Zephram Cochrane on Alpha Centauri Colony or the one with the statue in Montana?
The TOS universe no longer exists in canon, having been overwritten by later series, (primarily by Enterprise.) The TOS universe is no longer the Prime Star Trek Universe. The TOS we eagerly watched each week "In Living Color" on our black and white TVs is an historical drama based on the exploits of an historical ship and crew, but it is not history. As in all historical dramas, you have to sift through the story for bits of history.
TOS is no longer canon. The retcons have made it obsolete. Discovery can comfortably sit in the same era as The Cage and claim it is set in Star Trek's Prime Universe because TOS is not.
Yep. Being spiritual does not mean religious.
We seen many example in Trek: Vulcan Culture, for example.
Also, one of my bits Picard said:
I myself feel there is some higher power, not in the form of an angry old man with a beard , sitting on a gold throne, and that some other plane of existence awaits us upon the death of the body, that we are not gonna be only a pile of rotting meat.
To me, religious pretty much means sticking to whatever dusty old scripture says, aka the Pat Robertson and Kim Davis types.
Given that so much of the retcons of TOS are accepted, why should this retcon be treated differently?
The Cage never happened; it's been retconned away. Trek canon now begins with Farpoint, not salt vampires.
You DO know about the Boreth Monastery... right?
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Boreth
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Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
The point being made, is that Discovery was hyped as Prime Timeline (because that's a hook they knew would draw part of the fan-base) but it is clearly not (unless considered a total reboot) Prime Timeline, because the aesthetics are so wildly different (and yet strangely congruous to the Kelvin Timeline)
Not a commentary about how good it is or may be, but a simple case of "This isn't what was floated promotionally".
That, is a Complex Question, aka a fallacy, so not a legitimate point which needs addressing as if it was a valid point. But, for the sake of completeness; the words did not need to be present, for the effects of their implication, to still be valid and neccesary: Subject identification (the stating that this is Prime Timeline) necessitates compliance to the appropriate conventions of the subject.
10 Years Before the Grassy Knoll, would require that JFK be dressed in era-appropriate clothing, not giving him a Kurt Cobain make-over. Saying something is something, doesn't make it so. Discovery identifies as Prime Timeline, but that doesn't make it Prime Timeline.
In a legal sense, yes, they can. But this is not a matter of legal capability or entitlement.
The point, is that they Should Not do so. (see The Force Awakens, as an example of how something like this should be handled) Certainly not when going to all the trouble of putting themselves in the position of dealing with such an already pre-defined era (for the marketing) If they wanted to do New and Improved, fine. Do it UP the timeline after Nemesis, and ditch the '10 Years Before...' bait. (but that wouldn't work so well in terms of getting rubes to subscribe for Streaming, and that is what this show's existence is all about
As a project, it fails to meet the goals defined by its own creators, so deserves no consideration beyond dismissal as 'not as advertised'.
I'm happy to eat egg noodles with ketchup, but don't invite me in for spaghetti with maranara sauce, put noodles with ketchup in front of me, and then have the audacity to try and gaslight by insisting that it is in fact spaghetti with maranara sauce. Honesty. Authenticity. Fundamental concepts, but clearly too tricky for some to live up to :-\
Discovery is an exercise in gaslighting, so again, deserves no consideration beyond dismissal as 'not as advertised', with a side of 'can't trust anything they say again...' thrown in.
And, as soon as it gets aired, it becomes canon, thus amending/invalidating/updating existing canon (the very things which Discovery is using as a subscriber-lure) The original IP, the coat-tails of which Discovery is massively riding upon, becomes invalidated. So yes, that is indeed 'harm done' :-\
I don't have Netflix, so I won't be capable of watching it, but even if I did, I still wouldn't watch it, because it's not what it says it is, and I find the way the project has been handled,as morally reprehensible, and thus not something I will watch
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
So far, CBS and Paramount are just bean counters with no clue on how to do anything.
Personally, I'd trust neither of them to open a can of sardines that was already open. That's what little faith I have in them.
And at least Disney seems to respect the fans, it seems.
Although I will concede that Rogue One was a good movie.
The fact is we can debate every aspect of Discovery until we DIE, but it is ALL SPECULATION right now. It would be better to just wait until the show actually airs before forming opinions one way or the other.
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like corran horn...he was pants at pretty much every force power - EXCEPT those involving telekinesis; or illusion, i forget which it was
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
ZERO Training whatsoever, and she was able to match someone who was essentially at Jedi Knight level, even if he was dark side and injured. Even Luke Skywalker himself wasn't that powerful before training! He could barely pull that lightsaber out of ice on Hoth without training, and Rey... psh... pulls it to her like its nothing!
The Characters are alright, but there are some serious plot holes in TFA.
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As for the lightsabre duel... she seemed to have a lot of experience with melee weapons in general.
My character Tsin'xing
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I seriously doubt it is an interquel due to how difficult it would be to make it a prequel of TOS and a sequel of Enterprise. Therefore, it is likely going to be either a prequel of TOS, a sequel of Enterprise, or it is not set 10 years before TOS. Axanar would be a prequel to TOS. However, I suspect that if Discovery is set in the Prime Universe, it is a sequel of Enterprise not a prequel of TOS.
No disagreement from me on those scores, you're absolutely right. But. That. Is. Not. The. Point. Being. Made.
TFA was true to the stylings and aesthetics of the rest of the Star Wars saga. Minor variation in trooper armor and X-Wing design, sure, but all immediately identifiable as the same things, set in the same continuity. Stand ANH Luke and TFA Poe together, and they'd both be wearing near-identical flightsuits.
And there's no speculation whatsoever. Discovery's look has been shown. That IS how it looks. I don't care WHY it looks the way it looks, the fact remains, that it doesn't look the way it should, for the era and Timeline which They Chose To Use (unless, it is revealed to be a complete reboot, which still makes their promotional campaign disingenuous and manipulative, for using that '10 before' BS as a lure to get viewers, while knowing full well, they had no intention on delivering that promise.)
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Discovery was floated as being Prime Timeline at a specific time. That means the whole looks has to fit in with what was done before, not changing the way everything looks. That's what a project like this means! Like I said, I wouldn't have cared if they wanted to do a whole new series, change everything, and go their own way, but Post-Nemesis. Not by taking a massive deuce all over the existing IP, whilst riding on its coat-tails to try and lure subscribers!
Of course you disagree. You're a contrarian. I could say 'the sky is blue', and you'd dispute that as well, because that's what you are.
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
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Though we probably got a better chance seeing potato bugs crawling out of our behind, first. <_<
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful