Which is why the producers don't try to single out one of those to cater to.
it's not a matter of guest voices either-the voice actors are nice, but they're not essential. what is Essential is a feeling that when you're playing a Star Fleet officer, you're acting in a way consistent with being in Starfleet, not the Terran Empire or 40K, not Rebels fighting Sith, but Starfleet. Some missions are good at this, others...not so good. Opinions vary on which is which, but the most universally panned and derided Trek shows were the "Temporal Cold War" arc of Enterprise.
At least they removed the worst offender (Divide et Impera) of those missions, but removed some decent missions (Saturday's Child) in the process.
it's not a matter of guest voices either-the voice actors are nice, but they're not essential. what is Essential is a feeling that when you're playing a Star Fleet officer, you're acting in a way consistent with being in Starfleet, not the Terran Empire or 40K, not Rebels fighting Sith, but Starfleet. Some missions are good at this, others...not so good. Opinions vary on which is which, but the most universally panned and derided Trek shows were the "Temporal Cold War" arc of Enterprise.
Something which does make me laugh, comes about when playing Stranded in Space... Cara's science officer is an Orion, who, to pull the line we had in Academy Daze, does come from the genetic lines which produce Matrons... Sihna is a Hot Chick, and she knows it... She's also aware that being Orion boost her Hot Chick Points in the eyes of others... This is why she was selected to work in the field for Starfleet Intelligence -- She's a Honey Trap, and she knows it, and embraces it -- but when it comes to serving aboard a Starship, she's all business, and efficient as hell (Seeing her shoot an Orion Thug point blank in the spine with a Disruptor Pulsewave Assault model was a sight to behold ...)
So when everyone gets to the engineroom, and Captain Brott is yelling about how she won't let 'those green pirates' take her ship, then seemingly points in the general direction of the Starfleet officer who's risking her life to save her scrawny a**, there's definitely a moment of 'WTF, you racist bee-atch!' (Sihna also finds it amusing reporting that the other Matron is hailing )
There's a Star Trek MMO (open beta) called Star Trek: Alien Domain, which features two playable factions: Federation (Starfleet) and Klingon Empire. It is licensed by CBS.
CBS argued that according to all of their research data, only a set small percentage of Star Trek fans would want to play Klingons.
This begs the question: If CBS is behind Cryptic's lack of unique faction content for Klingons, why would they want to license and support Federation vs Klingons in the new Star Trek MMO? If Klingons are unpopular, why hasn't CBS learned its lesson?
If CBS argued that Klingons were unpopular, why would they allow Cryptic to announce Starfleet and Klingon as full PvE factions for STO?
easy answer the game designers propose a format for the game they are making and pay the licence and CBS are happy regardless of how they feel about the popularity of Klingons.
by the way I have seen a gameplay video on youtube of Star Trek: Alien Domain and IMHO it looks rubbish.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Which is why the producers don't try to single out one of those to cater to.
it's not a matter of guest voices either-the voice actors are nice, but they're not essential. what is Essential is a feeling that when you're playing a Star Fleet officer, you're acting in a way consistent with being in Starfleet, not the Terran Empire or 40K, not Rebels fighting Sith, but Starfleet. Some missions are good at this, others...not so good. Opinions vary on which is which, but the most universally panned and derided Trek shows were the "Temporal Cold War" arc of Enterprise.
At least they removed the worst offender (Divide et Impera) of those missions, but removed some decent missions (Saturday's Child) in the process.
I actually felt that Divide Et Impera was half of a mission. The other half, would be dealing with the fallout-but instead of 'finishing' it-aka giving either a choice to say 'no' and change your destiny, or facing consequences, the devs removed it.
and we've never seen 'hard' material again. (hard, as in bringing up the kind of moral conflicts the eggheads always pretend Star Trek was strong in.)
It WAS half a mission. It was planned to be part one of a short story arc. the original plan was for you to hunt down the Undine in the next mission/s. Apparently the idea got dropped because they had a deadline and simply didn't have time to finish.
Which is why the producers don't try to single out one of those to cater to.
it's not a matter of guest voices either-the voice actors are nice, but they're not essential. what is Essential is a feeling that when you're playing a Star Fleet officer, you're acting in a way consistent with being in Starfleet, not the Terran Empire or 40K, not Rebels fighting Sith, but Starfleet. Some missions are good at this, others...not so good. Opinions vary on which is which, but the most universally panned and derided Trek shows were the "Temporal Cold War" arc of Enterprise.
At least they removed the worst offender (Divide et Impera) of those missions, but removed some decent missions (Saturday's Child) in the process.
I actually felt that Divide Et Impera was half of a mission. The other half, would be dealing with the fallout-but instead of 'finishing' it-aka giving either a choice to say 'no' and change your destiny, or facing consequences, the devs removed it.
and we've never seen 'hard' material again. (hard, as in bringing up the kind of moral conflicts the eggheads always pretend Star Trek was strong in.)
Divide et Impera was not a 'hard' mission. All it did was make your character look as stupid as possible by not questioning illegal orders. A hard mission could be similar to the Children of Time episode from DS9 . The mission would require saving some crew that landed on an alien planet, but they somehow went back in time 200 years and started a colony of their own. Saving them means that you are removing their descendants from existence.
Although, I would suggest that the Butterfly mission was a 'hard' mission since foolishly messing around with time for the slim chance to deal with the Iconians is definitely a moral conflict that most of the time would never be risked by anyone.
It's Generic, not bad per-se. I guess my problem is that it doesn't give a feeling of Romulan-ness. the whole thing could be set in the Galactic Empire (or Galactic Republic) and you'd only have to change the copywrite names.
Yeah.... that's like saying SW4 has a generic plot because you can swap the names and make it a Star Trek story...
It's Generic, not bad per-se. I guess my problem is that it doesn't give a feeling of Romulan-ness. the whole thing could be set in the Galactic Empire (or Galactic Republic) and you'd only have to change the copywrite names.
Yeah.... that's like saying SW4 has a generic plot because you can swap the names and make it a Star Trek story...
actually, you can't. It doesn't trade back that way.
Oh really? Name one thing that doesn't have some sort of equivalent.
It's Generic, not bad per-se. I guess my problem is that it doesn't give a feeling of Romulan-ness. the whole thing could be set in the Galactic Empire (or Galactic Republic) and you'd only have to change the copywrite names.
Yeah.... that's like saying SW4 has a generic plot because you can swap the names and make it a Star Trek story...
actually, you can't. It doesn't trade back that way.
Oh really? Name one thing that doesn't have some sort of equivalent.
The Force. Monastic orders with Legal Power (The Jedi), default ensemble casting (Star Trek-everyone is part of a 'crew' or they're cargo/passengers/bystanders), The Force (sure, there are 'superevolved' species and in one case an individual, but the impact was completely different as is the role), Even Kirk didn't have the "Messianic tone" and it was still doubtful with Sisko through DS9. tone and feel were also completely different. How exceptional power in individual hands is treated in Trek is also completely different.
Nobody was suggesting, for example, that Gary Mitchell was anything but a danger, Q has no interest in ruling, etc.
The closest Star Trek could come to something like the Jedi (without creating a new species) would to examine the notion of Betazoid warrior-monks who served as 'diplomatic enforcers', but even that's me headcanoning rather than being able to provide a canon example...
Ok, but... how central is that to the story itself vs being a plot device that gets used repeatedly? Aside from the difference in the way the writers treat superhuman abilities, the way conflict gets resolved is not fundamentally different.
Ok, but... how central is that to the story itself vs being a plot device that gets used repeatedly? Aside from the difference in the way the writers treat superhuman abilities, the way conflict gets resolved is not fundamentally different.
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
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Actually, I'd say conflict-resolution is quite different... Star Wars focusses on the actions of a bunch of left-wing millitants against The System... Star Trek doesn't...
Ok, but... how central is that to the story itself vs being a plot device that gets used repeatedly? Aside from the difference in the way the writers treat superhuman abilities, the way conflict gets resolved is not fundamentally different.
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
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Actually, I'd say conflict-resolution is quite different... Star Wars focusses on the actions of a bunch of left-wing millitants against The System... Star Trek doesn't...
Or does it? The Rebellion(in SW4-6) is actually the last remnants of the Old Republic which was overthrown in a military coup. Which is very similar to the situation with the Bajorans and Cardassians.
Ok, but... how central is that to the story itself vs being a plot device that gets used repeatedly? Aside from the difference in the way the writers treat superhuman abilities, the way conflict gets resolved is not fundamentally different.
I find your lack of faith disturbing...
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Actually, I'd say conflict-resolution is quite different... Star Wars focusses on the actions of a bunch of left-wing millitants against The System... Star Trek doesn't...
Or does it? The Rebellion(in SW4-6) is actually the last remnants of the Old Republic which was overthrown in a military coup. Which is very similar to the situation with the Bajorans and Cardassians.
Not really, the Empire was legitimately voted into place, there was no 'military takeover' (just an extermination of the Jedi) And again, the Rebellion is just a bunch of left-wing millitants... I read an article years ago (either in a magazine, or one of the TNG/DS-9 companion almanacs) that the situation with the Bajorans and Cardassians was based on the Israel/Palestine situation, so quite a different political dynamic
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if you consider palpatine mind controlling most of the senate as 'legitimate', certainly - i don't
Manipulation, absolutely, but direct Jedi mindtrick-control, no... He created the situation and let it play out, not controlling the situation directly, and as mentioned, he was given his powers by the senate, he didn't take them.. That he refused to give them up, in the other hand, is a rather different subtlety
well, in legends he was using the dark side to directly influence the minds of weaker senators from the time he first became chancellor up until the declaration of a new order; i don't know if they kept that for canon, but his line 'I AM the senate!' just before the duel against mace windu and mace's line a few minutes later of 'He has control of the senate and the courts! He's too dangerous to be kept alive!' would seem to support that
unless the word 'control' there was being used in the legislative sense, and not a reference to the dark side
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
well, in legends he was using the dark side to directly influence the minds of weaker senators from the time he first became chancellor up until the declaration of a new order; i don't know if they kept that for canon, but his line 'I AM the senate!' just before the duel against mace windu and mace's line a few minutes later of 'He has control of the senate and the courts! He's too dangerous to be kept alive!' would seem to support that
unless the word 'control' there was being used in the legislative sense, and not a reference to the dark side
Nope... His line to Master Windu was intimidation/bluster, equally, Master Windu didn't seem to have much faith in the judicial process, in which case, why even bother trying to take Palpatine into custody at all by placing him under arrest?
No one would have thought Donald Trump would become President... No one in the UK nvoted Theresa May in as Prime Minister, yet here we are... Politics is a strange beast...
well, regardless of how legitimate his election, he was still a sith lord and needed to be stopped...too bad anakin had to go and do the stupid thing instead of realizing (as he did after it was way too late) that ol' sheev was lying about being able to influence midichlorians to the point where he could halt death (and i have to question if his master plagueis even knew how to)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
well, regardless of how legitimate his election, he was still a sith lord and needed to be stopped...too bad anakin had to go and do the stupid thing instead of realizing (as he did after it was way too late) that ol' sheev was lying about being able to influence midichlorians to the point where he could halt death (and i have to question if his master plagueis even knew how to)
Only because Plot dictated thus The point remains though, that he was legitimately put into office, via the system in place, rather than simply taking over, or suddenly 'declaring he was in charge'...
well, in legends he was using the dark side to directly influence the minds of weaker senators from the time he first became chancellor up until the declaration of a new order; i don't know if they kept that for canon, but his line 'I AM the senate!' just before the duel against mace windu and mace's line a few minutes later of 'He has control of the senate and the courts! He's too dangerous to be kept alive!' would seem to support that
unless the word 'control' there was being used in the legislative sense, and not a reference to the dark side
Nope... His line to Master Windu was intimidation/bluster, equally, Master Windu didn't seem to have much faith in the judicial process, in which case, why even bother trying to take Palpatine into custody at all by placing him under arrest?
No one would have thought Donald Trump would become President... No one in the UK nvoted Theresa May in as Prime Minister, yet here we are... Politics is a strange beast...
It is theoretically possible, for Donald Trump to not be President considering how the Electoral College works, but there is little chance of that happening without a major scandal. You are not voting for the next President, but which voter will be used to vote for the next President. So if the Libertarians somehow wins one of the electoral votes, then their elector for wherever that vote was obtained will be eligible to vote for the next President. Typically, the electors vote for whoever won the popular vote in their state, but they are still able to vote for whoever they want.
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At least they removed the worst offender (Divide et Impera) of those missions, but removed some decent missions (Saturday's Child) in the process.
Something which does make me laugh, comes about when playing Stranded in Space... Cara's science officer is an Orion, who, to pull the line we had in Academy Daze, does come from the genetic lines which produce Matrons... Sihna is a Hot Chick, and she knows it... She's also aware that being Orion boost her Hot Chick Points in the eyes of others... This is why she was selected to work in the field for Starfleet Intelligence -- She's a Honey Trap, and she knows it, and embraces it -- but when it comes to serving aboard a Starship, she's all business, and efficient as hell (Seeing her shoot an Orion Thug point blank in the spine with a Disruptor Pulsewave Assault model was a sight to behold
So when everyone gets to the engineroom, and Captain Brott is yelling about how she won't let 'those green pirates' take her ship, then seemingly points in the general direction of the Starfleet officer who's risking her life to save her scrawny a**, there's definitely a moment of 'WTF, you racist bee-atch!'
easy answer the game designers propose a format for the game they are making and pay the licence and CBS are happy regardless of how they feel about the popularity of Klingons.
by the way I have seen a gameplay video on youtube of Star Trek: Alien Domain and IMHO it looks rubbish.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My character Tsin'xing
Divide et Impera was not a 'hard' mission. All it did was make your character look as stupid as possible by not questioning illegal orders. A hard mission could be similar to the Children of Time episode from DS9 . The mission would require saving some crew that landed on an alien planet, but they somehow went back in time 200 years and started a colony of their own. Saving them means that you are removing their descendants from existence.
Although, I would suggest that the Butterfly mission was a 'hard' mission since foolishly messing around with time for the slim chance to deal with the Iconians is definitely a moral conflict that most of the time would never be risked by anyone.
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Actually, I'd say conflict-resolution is quite different... Star Wars focusses on the actions of a bunch of left-wing millitants against The System... Star Trek doesn't...
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#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
unless the word 'control' there was being used in the legislative sense, and not a reference to the dark side
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
No one would have thought Donald Trump would become President... No one in the UK nvoted Theresa May in as Prime Minister, yet here we are... Politics is a strange beast...
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It is theoretically possible, for Donald Trump to not be President considering how the Electoral College works, but there is little chance of that happening without a major scandal. You are not voting for the next President, but which voter will be used to vote for the next President. So if the Libertarians somehow wins one of the electoral votes, then their elector for wherever that vote was obtained will be eligible to vote for the next President. Typically, the electors vote for whoever won the popular vote in their state, but they are still able to vote for whoever they want.