Two things in response to artan42 and those who believe that people like me are resisting change because they fear change...
a) just because something says it's a Consitution doesn't mean that it is. False advertising and labelling is as old as humanity itself. It's like making a sugary-sweet breakfast cereal and labelling it health food.
b) there's a difference between resisting change just because it's different or resisting change because the change is for the worse. Claiming otherwise is stating that all change must necessarily be for the better, always. I'm sure you can all find lots of examples where this is not the case.
I give an airborne rodent's posterior whether you 'fear change' or not.
The rest of your post is EXACTLY what I was posting about. The referral or comparison to anything at all from the KT timeline using the most negative words and images you can. The implication you are somehow a better Star Trek fan than we are. The implication those of us who like JJTrek are not worthy of being Star Trek fans. Because you have just become the self annointed authority of what other people are supposed to like and dislike.
Just had a thought. You might be Donald Trump. Hiding behind a false name. Secretly playing STO. Why would I say this?
Because you are using the same kind of verbal scare tactics and imagery he does. BTW, nice to meet you, Mr. Trump.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
I have little hope of the next series being any better
Why would you like the new Trek series? It's new. And even though Nicky Meyer is involved with it, it's still new and not yet vetted and determined to be cool by everyone else yet.
Abrams Trek is divisive, and that is the case because it splits the fandom into those who love Star Trek the way it used to be.
Wrong, you're doing that to yourself.
There are plenty of us out there that like both.
Yep. And plenty more that can also accept both without becoming too heavily emotionally invested in one or the other, as well.
Just as in documented "history", what they should try to keep in mind is it's always written by the victors... we never hear the side of the vanquished. So that doesn't mean what's documented or even documented "first" is always "truth" or even "reality". It simply means one had opportunity to do so, and another did not at that time.
I can actually think for myself, however, instead of accepting what I'm told as "gospel". Imagine that.
It's not you- it's me. I just need my space.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
I have little hope of the next series being any better... if it's not based on the reboot it might be. I'm just not that thirsty for Trek that I'll drink anything, if you know what I mean.
If you are not willing to give it a chance, then no one can help you. (except maybe Netflix, they have all of the original stuff up for streaming...I'm currently watching ENT and DS9 )
I prefer to give it a chance. They may just find a formula that works.
I'm even looking forward to seeing the movie on Thursday
Two things in response to artan42 and those who believe that people like me are resisting change because they fear change...
a) just because something says it's a Constitution doesn't mean that it is.
That is quite literally how naming works. I was however wrong about the dedication plaque, it says Starship Class like the original (hows that for not caring about the originals eh?) but the Vengeance's targeting computer says Constitution Class.
I'm assuming you threw a similar fit when TMP changed the TOS Conni into something near-unrecognisable?
b) there's a difference between resisting change just because it's different or resisting change because the change is for the worse. Claiming otherwise is stating that all change must necessarily be for the better, always. I'm sure you can all find lots of examples where this is not the case.
For the worse? Hmm, revived a dead franchise? Yup, that worse. Don't like it, don't watch it, just don't cry all over the internet about it. It's an alternate timeline none of your previous 'True Trek TM' has been affected. Go cuddle your TOS Blue Rays and the bad JJ man will go away.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
When I heard whispers of the now called Kelvin Timeline ships coming to STO months ago I started farming and saving EC like a madman. Along with selling both Master Keys and the R&D promo boxes with the Bug ship in it I saved up a nice chunk of EC. I got my Vengeance and Constitution off the exchange. I do not gamble on lock boxes as I never received anything of major value the times I have opened them for lobi.
As for people not wanting them in the game that is too bad. I am always happy when cryptic puts more content in the game not less. I have to say I was disappointed they were lockbox/lobi ships. But I figured that is the way they were going to be introduced into the game. For those who say it is not a Constitution I respectfully disagree. The TOS Constitution refit in the original movies and that made it no less of a Constitution then either. I am also someone who prefers the refit design to the original. Does that mean I hate the original not at all. The Kelvin Timeline Connie is the same idea it was redesigned to fit a new concept of how Star Trek was to be shown on the Big screen. While I think the size of the ship is a little large the design is not that far from the original concept just like the refit was not crazy different. either. She is a beautiful ship and I cannot wait to use it in game
While I think the size of the ship is a little large the design is not that far from the original concept just like the refit was not crazy different. either. She is a beautiful ship and I cannot wait to use it in game
That's only ingame though. In the film it's correctly sized.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Many know I hate the KU stuff. So you know where I stand on this. But, I won't try to stop or attack people just cause they use it. That is wrong do that as well. I don't do ques and lot of team gaming on here. So my chances of being around one is rare unless at some Hub.
The KU fans got their KU-Connie, meanwhile the rest will be still wanting their Connie. So the desire is still there for a Connie, and now its only been fueled. Since Cryptic did what they did, it only makes the Connie Fans even more angrier, as they been wanting one for years. And we didn't get the Connie, instead we got a rip off! With the KU fans rubbing it in our faces to boot.
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I'd have to agree with the people saying the hate is, frankly, stupid.
Its not the original, sure, but they're just as good. The AR Connie being a bit different is because her development was manipulated by events outside Starfleet's control. They reacted to an event and implimented changes accordingly.
Also... how are some alternate realities created? Branched timelines. The amount of deviation is determined by when the deveation occured. I don't see anyone complaining about the Mirror Universe.
The number of people flying them shows that there are just as many, if not more players that like them.
Some people don't like the new Star Trek and that's their right, but many do.
I have had players message me in my Vengeance and ask me how I like it and how I acquired it. I have also had one player in the Badlands send me a message that he wouldn't play in the same zone as me because my 'overpowered uber ship would steal all his kills.' I just laughed it off, I could have done just as much damage in an Arbiter or a Tactical Odyssey.. the guy was just a d'bag.
Sometimes, people just like to be rude, ignore them and play what makes you happy. I play the game to entertain myself, not the random people flying around with me.
Not playing in the same zone as someone with an overpowered uber ship which steals all the kills is usually only an issue in the badlands battlezone, which really needs its rewards fixed again.
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Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I can under the dislike for it being in a lockbox, i got lucky with mine and free zen i get a month. I have both the Jj ships and they are good fun ships.
We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
Personal opinion is personal.
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I think the hate these ships kindle is a bonus feature of ownership, personally. TRIBBLE curmudgeons who irrationally hate everything opposite their opinion deserve to be offended and irritated every last step of the way.
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We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
that's your opinion though, it looks like the constitution though except for the nacelles. Also when someone unlocks it you see a pop up that says so and so unlocked the kelvin constitution, and on the plaque for the ship it says that it is a Constitution class.
Can't forget CBS/Paramount who between both of them own star trek and decide what is canon, they say that the ship in the Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness and then the newest movie Star Trek Beyond is a Constitution class.
We are getting ships from the new timeline that the movie takes place and it might not be the Constitution class of ships we are use to seeing from TOS but the ship we are seeing in the movies is a Constitution class ship from that timeline/universe.
Of course I can understand why someone would say that it isn't a constitution class type of ship but then in the end it is up to CBS/Paramount who decides whats what even if others disagree.
anyways you don't think it is a constitution class type of ship use to seeing in TOS but others will disagree, and everyone's opinion is different. Would get extremely boring if everyone's opinion was the same, so I'd have to say each to their own on this subject.
I for one quite like the Kelvin timeline ships and and the Nu-Star Trek movies as I call it
We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
To some of us, these ships are just ugly. To most of us, they symbolise a radically wrong direction the franchise has taken.
Abrams Trek is divisive, and that is the case because it splits the fandom into those who love Star Trek the way it used to be. The Trek of TOS, TNG and large parts of DS9, of which we'll only find traces in VOY and ENT.
Now Abrams comes around and in his film he changes everything around. He destroys two of the most iconic locations fans have always loved - Romulus and Vulcan - and portrays his characters as imbeciles. Spock isn't clever enough to figure out he can save Vulcan by walking over to a Federation outpost and warning the Federation of impending doom, new-Spock isn't master of his own emotions and has a fling with Uhura, new-Kirk is a common bar room brawler, new-Sulu doesn't even realise the handbrake is on (or whatever they called it), new-Scott is a complete screwball played by an actor who just cannot do a serious role (love him as a comedian, but not here)... the list goes on - pair that with radically different aesthetics (e.g. apple store bridge, brewery engine room), a shaky camera, excessive lens flares and a plethora of mindless action sequences (something especially Nemesis was guilty of, too) and you get a very bad mix.
And the worst of it all is: Previous re-imaginings of the Trek universe respected what came before. Previous series always added to what was there before. Even Enterprise came out and 'fixed' most discrepancies by saying they were later corrected in the timeline.
Abrams Trek does not respect what came before. It's a mean-spirited parody. Its creators have admitted as much. It portrays a timeline incursion at a pivotal point in the Trek storyline simply so they can completely disregard anything that was released before, and they do it with a vengeance. Into Darkness was not one wee bit better
If you look at it closely, the temporal incursion in Abrams Trek does not explain most differences. Abrams Trek does not feel like it's Star Trek at all. The Kelvin alone, a ship supposedly from the prime universe into which the incursion from the prime universe future took place... it should have been a Daedalus class or something, not this monstrosity. The Nerada is equally horrible. Looks like a bad attempt at doing a Shadow vessel from Babylon 5. Certainly not like a Romulan ship.
No other change in or to the Trek universe has ever been this divisive, no other change has ever been this destructive.
So, long story short, the hatred for the ships stems from a hatred of those films.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they replace. Because they're trying to tell us (as you has in your intro post) that we've go an endgame Connie now - which we don't because that ship does not deserve to be called that.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they represent. Because they're the symbol for all that is wrong with Abrams Trek - which we don't want to see in the game as it constantly reminds us of it.
That said, I don't condone hateful messages to other players for flying those ships. The developers try to appeal to a particular customer base by introducing them, and thus they've moved away from trying to please Trekkies. That is not the fault of those players who happen to like Abrams Trek, it's the fault of those who decided to put these vessels into the game in the first place.
This is the reason I asked for a graphics mod in an earlier thread, to allow those of us to have a visual alternative who do not constantly want to be reminded of Abrams Trek through the visuals of the ships, that new uniform pack and (I fear) more stuff to come, without trying to force it on those players who happen to like it.
Yes, you said it better than I could. What you said is exactly how I feel about JJ trek, exactly.
Many know I hate the KU stuff. So you know where I stand on this. But, I won't try to stop or attack people just cause they use it. That is wrong do that as well. I don't do ques and lot of team gaming on here. So my chances of being around one is rare unless at some Hub.
The KU fans got their KU-Connie, meanwhile the rest will be still wanting their Connie. So the desire is still there for a Connie, and now its only been fueled. Since Cryptic did what they did, it only makes the Connie Fans even more angrier, as they been wanting one for years. And we didn't get the Connie, instead we got a rip off! With the KU fans rubbing it in our faces to boot.
that's your opinion though, it looks like the constitution though except for the nacelles. Also when someone unlocks it you see a pop up that says so and so unlocked the kelvin constitution, and on the plaque for the ship it says that it is a Constitution class.
I since corrected that. The plaque actually says 'Starship Class' as did the TOS Ent. The reference to 'Constitution Class' is from the bridge of the Vengeance where a display identifies the Enterprise as Constitution Class.
Yes, you said it better than I could. What you said is exactly how I feel about JJ trek, exactly.
You obviously couldn't say it very well at all then because most of what you quoted is outright wrong.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
that's your opinion though, it looks like the constitution though except for the nacelles. Also when someone unlocks it you see a pop up that says so and so unlocked the kelvin constitution, and on the plaque for the ship it says that it is a Constitution class.
I since corrected that. The plaque actually says 'Starship Class' as did the TOS Ent. The reference to 'Constitution Class' is from the bridge of the Vengeance where a display identifies the Enterprise as Constitution Class.
Yes, you said it better than I could. What you said is exactly how I feel about JJ trek, exactly.
You obviously couldn't say it very well at all then because most of what you quoted is outright wrong.
What, that my OPINION (you seem to miss that "How I feel about JJ Trek" is wrong, somehow? Spare me, you sound like a teacher I had in grade school who gave me an F on a question that asked for my opinion.
One's preference to either pre JJ Trek and JJ Trek can be like a pair of shoes. If it fits you, great, good for you. Just don't try to make me wear them as well, mmmkay.
From what I've seen of the people who hate the Abramsverse movies they are the same sort of "everything old is better" people that I remember from back in the 80's who spewed similar hatred of TNG when it first aired.
Of course it's not just the new Trek movies that get such hatred I see the same thing said about gaming as well, people looking at new games and saying that they're worse than older games back in the days of the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Atari, Odyssey, and others. Believing that was some golden age of gaming, most of the people I have those conversations with aren't old enough to have had to grow up with those systems. For every gem on those older systems there were a dozen steaming piles of filth that make the worst games of today look like masterpieces.
So It's just the same kind of hipster edgelords that have always been around who must hate everything and anything that is new.
And the hate continues to flow. so many people clinging to the past because it wasn't exactly the way it should be. People like the hard core trek fans give Star Trek a bad name.
This was not what Gene Roddennberry had in mind when he created this grand adventure we're embarked upon.
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In an update that heavily featured the TOS era and setting, in an update that brought in new TOS-styled ships, ship skins that can even be used at endgame levels, the original TOS Constitution-class is left out for endgame. It's specifically left out for endgame, because those lower tiered TOS ships can be used for T5, T6 ships. And then the JJ-Connie is put in instead.
"change the birth dates of most or all of the TOS crew on top of everything else it allegedly managed to retroactively **** up."
Here's what happened. One of the fatalies on the USS Kelvin was a young woman who would have given birth to a lineage that would have eventually stopped a Klingon from going back in time to stop the Kirk and his bridge officers from being born. Without the last desendant of the Kelvin woman's lineage, the Klingon was able to go bad in time, but luckily agents from the Kelvin timelines 31st century were able to go back in time and partially repair the damage the Klingon caused.
They couldn't fix everything, but they fixed enough to ensure Kirk and the bridge officers get born, abit on different dates, which in turn subtle ensures that the USS Kelvin will be in position to be destroyed by the Nerada.
Reason is simple. People wanted an endgame TOS Constitution, not the JJ/AR/KT Enterprise. And after years of asking for it, STO gets "another" Constitution. Some people is going to be pissed off, assume it, as they feel cheated or laughed off; they've been asking for a ship, they don't get it and, instead, other people get "their" ship without even asking for it.
We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
I'm going to take the other path of extremity here just for fun.
We're currently in Earth 1. You all are living on Earth 2, enjoying the golden age and the past. Which is cool and all, but we're in the right now. The Enterprise that is commanded by Captain Kirk in 2016 is the one that is on the big screen and will get blown up in movie theaters across the country this week. It's the Kelvin timeline. It's the here and now.
It's the Enterprise. And it's what we've got.
And much like Scotty in the first film, those of us in STO can now get our hands on her ample nacelles.
So while you're hanging out with Johnny Thunder over a nice Turkey dinner at some hotel talking about past capers with the rest of your Justice Society ... the Justice League over here on Earth One is having new adventures and moving the story forward!
First off if not for 50 years of fandom the JJ/KT films never would have been made and that is reality like it or not. The TOS (inclusive of the follow on series) universe has been around 50 years inspiring at least two generations to strive to make things better and develop technolgy that went from being fantasy to reality while the JJ/KT universe is a bunch of brash wet behind the ears snot nosed kids who think they are the end all be all. Come back in 50 years and then start bragging.
But you know what? I remembered how each iteration of Star Trek started out and how they changed over time. Give it time.
As much as you hate on JJ Trek, it was what sparked interest in Star Trek again and got us a new series.
Think of 'Into Darkness' as this Trek's 'Final Frontier' with a dab of 'Threshold' and 'Spock's Brain'
I have little hope of the next series being any better... if it's not based on the reboot it might be. I'm just not that thirsty for Trek that I'll drink anything, if you know what I mean.
From everything I have seen and heard season one at least is set between TOS and TNG in that universe.
Regarding the KT ship introduction, I'm more concerned about the precedent of tying Faction Ships behind Lockboxes instead of the cheap, traditional "Mirror Box" equivalent or the C-Store. I'm not exactly fond of JJ Trek, but this precedent is more worrying.
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I give an airborne rodent's posterior whether you 'fear change' or not.
The rest of your post is EXACTLY what I was posting about. The referral or comparison to anything at all from the KT timeline using the most negative words and images you can. The implication you are somehow a better Star Trek fan than we are. The implication those of us who like JJTrek are not worthy of being Star Trek fans. Because you have just become the self annointed authority of what other people are supposed to like and dislike.
Just had a thought. You might be Donald Trump. Hiding behind a false name. Secretly playing STO. Why would I say this?
Because you are using the same kind of verbal scare tactics and imagery he does. BTW, nice to meet you, Mr. Trump.
Why would you like the new Trek series? It's new. And even though Nicky Meyer is involved with it, it's still new and not yet vetted and determined to be cool by everyone else yet.
Yep. And plenty more that can also accept both without becoming too heavily emotionally invested in one or the other, as well.
Just as in documented "history", what they should try to keep in mind is it's always written by the victors... we never hear the side of the vanquished. So that doesn't mean what's documented or even documented "first" is always "truth" or even "reality". It simply means one had opportunity to do so, and another did not at that time.
I can actually think for myself, however, instead of accepting what I'm told as "gospel". Imagine that.
Being critical doesn't take skill. Being constructively critical- which is providing alternative solutions or suggestions to a demonstrated problem, however, does.
If you are not willing to give it a chance, then no one can help you. (except maybe Netflix, they have all of the original stuff up for streaming...I'm currently watching ENT and DS9 )
I prefer to give it a chance. They may just find a formula that works.
I'm even looking forward to seeing the movie on Thursday
Newton dammit.
That is quite literally how naming works. I was however wrong about the dedication plaque, it says Starship Class like the original (hows that for not caring about the originals eh?) but the Vengeance's targeting computer says Constitution Class.
I'm assuming you threw a similar fit when TMP changed the TOS Conni into something near-unrecognisable?
And that would be illegal and not even a comparable situation. You see, Star Trek is fiction, it's naming conventions are determined by it's creators.
For the worse? Hmm, revived a dead franchise? Yup, that worse. Don't like it, don't watch it, just don't cry all over the internet about it. It's an alternate timeline none of your previous 'True Trek TM' has been affected. Go cuddle your TOS Blue Rays and the bad JJ man will go away.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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As for people not wanting them in the game that is too bad. I am always happy when cryptic puts more content in the game not less. I have to say I was disappointed they were lockbox/lobi ships. But I figured that is the way they were going to be introduced into the game. For those who say it is not a Constitution I respectfully disagree. The TOS Constitution refit in the original movies and that made it no less of a Constitution then either. I am also someone who prefers the refit design to the original. Does that mean I hate the original not at all. The Kelvin Timeline Connie is the same idea it was redesigned to fit a new concept of how Star Trek was to be shown on the Big screen. While I think the size of the ship is a little large the design is not that far from the original concept just like the refit was not crazy different. either. She is a beautiful ship and I cannot wait to use it in game
I'm loving my T6 Connie, and my Kelvin uniforms. I park in ESD sometimes just so the haters have to see it.
That's only ingame though. In the film it's correctly sized.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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The KU fans got their KU-Connie, meanwhile the rest will be still wanting their Connie. So the desire is still there for a Connie, and now its only been fueled. Since Cryptic did what they did, it only makes the Connie Fans even more angrier, as they been wanting one for years. And we didn't get the Connie, instead we got a rip off! With the KU fans rubbing it in our faces to boot.
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Its not the original, sure, but they're just as good. The AR Connie being a bit different is because her development was manipulated by events outside Starfleet's control. They reacted to an event and implimented changes accordingly.
Also... how are some alternate realities created? Branched timelines. The amount of deviation is determined by when the deveation occured. I don't see anyone complaining about the Mirror Universe.
Not playing in the same zone as someone with an overpowered uber ship which steals all the kills is usually only an issue in the badlands battlezone, which really needs its rewards fixed again.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Personal opinion is personal.
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that's your opinion though, it looks like the constitution though except for the nacelles. Also when someone unlocks it you see a pop up that says so and so unlocked the kelvin constitution, and on the plaque for the ship it says that it is a Constitution class.
Can't forget CBS/Paramount who between both of them own star trek and decide what is canon, they say that the ship in the Star Trek 2009 and Into Darkness and then the newest movie Star Trek Beyond is a Constitution class.
We are getting ships from the new timeline that the movie takes place and it might not be the Constitution class of ships we are use to seeing from TOS but the ship we are seeing in the movies is a Constitution class ship from that timeline/universe.
Of course I can understand why someone would say that it isn't a constitution class type of ship but then in the end it is up to CBS/Paramount who decides whats what even if others disagree.
anyways you don't think it is a constitution class type of ship use to seeing in TOS but others will disagree, and everyone's opinion is different. Would get extremely boring if everyone's opinion was the same, so I'd have to say each to their own on this subject.
I for one quite like the Kelvin timeline ships and and the Nu-Star Trek movies as I call it
Yes, you said it better than I could. What you said is exactly how I feel about JJ trek, exactly.
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This.
Also this.
I since corrected that. The plaque actually says 'Starship Class' as did the TOS Ent. The reference to 'Constitution Class' is from the bridge of the Vengeance where a display identifies the Enterprise as Constitution Class.
You obviously couldn't say it very well at all then because most of what you quoted is outright wrong.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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What, that my OPINION (you seem to miss that "How I feel about JJ Trek" is wrong, somehow? Spare me, you sound like a teacher I had in grade school who gave me an F on a question that asked for my opinion.
One's preference to either pre JJ Trek and JJ Trek can be like a pair of shoes. If it fits you, great, good for you. Just don't try to make me wear them as well, mmmkay.
Of course it's not just the new Trek movies that get such hatred I see the same thing said about gaming as well, people looking at new games and saying that they're worse than older games back in the days of the NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Atari, Odyssey, and others. Believing that was some golden age of gaming, most of the people I have those conversations with aren't old enough to have had to grow up with those systems. For every gem on those older systems there were a dozen steaming piles of filth that make the worst games of today look like masterpieces.
So It's just the same kind of hipster edgelords that have always been around who must hate everything and anything that is new.
This was not what Gene Roddennberry had in mind when he created this grand adventure we're embarked upon.
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In an update that heavily featured the TOS era and setting, in an update that brought in new TOS-styled ships, ship skins that can even be used at endgame levels, the original TOS Constitution-class is left out for endgame. It's specifically left out for endgame, because those lower tiered TOS ships can be used for T5, T6 ships. And then the JJ-Connie is put in instead.
Here's what happened. One of the fatalies on the USS Kelvin was a young woman who would have given birth to a lineage that would have eventually stopped a Klingon from going back in time to stop the Kirk and his bridge officers from being born. Without the last desendant of the Kelvin woman's lineage, the Klingon was able to go bad in time, but luckily agents from the Kelvin timelines 31st century were able to go back in time and partially repair the damage the Klingon caused.
They couldn't fix everything, but they fixed enough to ensure Kirk and the bridge officers get born, abit on different dates, which in turn subtle ensures that the USS Kelvin will be in position to be destroyed by the Nerada.
A-B-C-A.
Get over it, guys
^ This exactly
First off if not for 50 years of fandom the JJ/KT films never would have been made and that is reality like it or not. The TOS (inclusive of the follow on series) universe has been around 50 years inspiring at least two generations to strive to make things better and develop technolgy that went from being fantasy to reality while the JJ/KT universe is a bunch of brash wet behind the ears snot nosed kids who think they are the end all be all. Come back in 50 years and then start bragging.
From everything I have seen and heard season one at least is set between TOS and TNG in that universe.