> @azrael605 said: > @ussexeter#5462 > > You acquire Kelvin Timeline ships as a possible reward from opening Kelvin Timeline Lockboxes. You can also find them on the Exchange, current price 345 million EC for the Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser (aka jjprise).
Thanks for the info! One more question, where do you find the Kelvin Timeline lock boxes? On certain missions?
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
To some of us, these ships are just ugly. To most of us, they symbolise a radically wrong direction the franchise has taken.
Abrams Trek is divisive, and that is the case because it splits the fandom into those who love Star Trek the way it used to be. The Trek of TOS, TNG and large parts of DS9, of which we'll only find traces in VOY and ENT.
Now Abrams comes around and in his film he changes everything around. He destroys two of the most iconic locations fans have always loved - Romulus and Vulcan - and portrays his characters as imbeciles. Spock isn't clever enough to figure out he can save Vulcan by walking over to a Federation outpost and warning the Federation of impending doom, new-Spock isn't master of his own emotions and has a fling with Uhura, new-Kirk is a common bar room brawler, new-Sulu doesn't even realise the handbrake is on (or whatever they called it), new-Scott is a complete screwball played by an actor who just cannot do a serious role (love him as a comedian, but not here)... the list goes on - pair that with radically different aesthetics (e.g. apple store bridge, brewery engine room), a shaky camera, excessive lens flares and a plethora of mindless action sequences (something especially Nemesis was guilty of, too) and you get a very bad mix.
And the worst of it all is: Previous re-imaginings of the Trek universe respected what came before. Previous series always added to what was there before. Even Enterprise came out and 'fixed' most discrepancies by saying they were later corrected in the timeline.
Abrams Trek does not respect what came before. It's a mean-spirited parody. Its creators have admitted as much. It portrays a timeline incursion at a pivotal point in the Trek storyline simply so they can completely disregard anything that was released before, and they do it with a vengeance. Into Darkness was not one wee bit better
If you look at it closely, the temporal incursion in Abrams Trek does not explain most differences. Abrams Trek does not feel like it's Star Trek at all. The Kelvin alone, a ship supposedly from the prime universe into which the incursion from the prime universe future took place... it should have been a Daedalus class or something, not this monstrosity. The Nerada is equally horrible. Looks like a bad attempt at doing a Shadow vessel from Babylon 5. Certainly not like a Romulan ship.
No other change in or to the Trek universe has ever been this divisive, no other change has ever been this destructive.
So, long story short, the hatred for the ships stems from a hatred of those films.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they replace. Because they're trying to tell us (as you has in your intro post) that we've go an endgame Connie now - which we don't because that ship does not deserve to be called that.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they represent. Because they're the symbol for all that is wrong with Abrams Trek - which we don't want to see in the game as it constantly reminds us of it.
That said, I don't condone hateful messages to other players for flying those ships. The developers try to appeal to a particular customer base by introducing them, and thus they've moved away from trying to please Trekkies. That is not the fault of those players who happen to like Abrams Trek, it's the fault of those who decided to put these vessels into the game in the first place.
This is the reason I asked for a graphics mod in an earlier thread, to allow those of us to have a visual alternative who do not constantly want to be reminded of Abrams Trek through the visuals of the ships, that new uniform pack and (I fear) more stuff to come, without trying to force it on those players who happen to like it.
I agree with you 100%
I honestly have no idea why people today seem to enjoy destroying things with glee. This game like many other franchises seem to no longer respect the fans who made them game possible in the first place. Instead they want to cater to people who are not really fans, And people who are easily led . Next comes the echo chamber of the new players and admins agreeing with everything the company does, And then the constant comments against any dissent in a cult like unity. I hate to see this game be destroyed. But like all good things it eventually comes to a end. I have no desire to be in a echo chamber anyway. So I will just simply chalk it up as a loss and say goodbye. I just hope ARC thinks it was worth it after they have to shut it down over huge losses of players and money. Because one thing will always ring true, You need more than just a echo chamber of people always agreeing with you. You need actual support to survive. A echo chamber will only give a false sense of popularity and a false sense of support for the game. In time reality always catches up. And reality will always smash the safe space brick by brick with glee. Companies have forgotten reality because they now think they can create it on their own. Apparently nobody today reads history anymore.
I grew up with the TOS series as a kid. The train wreck of story telling for the JJ stuff didn't sit well with me. The ships themselves however aren't bad, but I still prefer the classic 60's look to things. That said I do have a Intel Dready on my TOS toon. It's a nice ship for what it is, but I still fly my TOS style battlecruiser over it because it's what Trek should be to me.
If I had a T6 TOS Connie I'd swear off KDF for good so long as I could fly it as an end game ship. Though if I got a T6 D-7 I'd ditch my fed/roms in a heartbeat as well. Shame they don't actually have a T6 T'liss. The TOS romulan dready is nice but not what I want.
Edit: Oh my, a zombie thread that rises like a borg!
We do not have an endgame Constitution. We have a ship that from some angles looks remotely like a Constitution but which completely falls through upon closer inspection.
To some of us, these ships are just ugly. To most of us, they symbolise a radically wrong direction the franchise has taken.
Abrams Trek is divisive, and that is the case because it splits the fandom into those who love Star Trek the way it used to be. The Trek of TOS, TNG and large parts of DS9, of which we'll only find traces in VOY and ENT.
Now Abrams comes around and in his film he changes everything around. He destroys two of the most iconic locations fans have always loved - Romulus and Vulcan - and portrays his characters as imbeciles. Spock isn't clever enough to figure out he can save Vulcan by walking over to a Federation outpost and warning the Federation of impending doom, new-Spock isn't master of his own emotions and has a fling with Uhura, new-Kirk is a common bar room brawler, new-Sulu doesn't even realise the handbrake is on (or whatever they called it), new-Scott is a complete screwball played by an actor who just cannot do a serious role (love him as a comedian, but not here)... the list goes on - pair that with radically different aesthetics (e.g. apple store bridge, brewery engine room), a shaky camera, excessive lens flares and a plethora of mindless action sequences (something especially Nemesis was guilty of, too) and you get a very bad mix.
And the worst of it all is: Previous re-imaginings of the Trek universe respected what came before. Previous series always added to what was there before. Even Enterprise came out and 'fixed' most discrepancies by saying they were later corrected in the timeline.
Abrams Trek does not respect what came before. It's a mean-spirited parody. Its creators have admitted as much. It portrays a timeline incursion at a pivotal point in the Trek storyline simply so they can completely disregard anything that was released before, and they do it with a vengeance. Into Darkness was not one wee bit better
If you look at it closely, the temporal incursion in Abrams Trek does not explain most differences. Abrams Trek does not feel like it's Star Trek at all. The Kelvin alone, a ship supposedly from the prime universe into which the incursion from the prime universe future took place... it should have been a Daedalus class or something, not this monstrosity. The Nerada is equally horrible. Looks like a bad attempt at doing a Shadow vessel from Babylon 5. Certainly not like a Romulan ship.
No other change in or to the Trek universe has ever been this divisive, no other change has ever been this destructive.
So, long story short, the hatred for the ships stems from a hatred of those films.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they replace. Because they're trying to tell us (as you has in your intro post) that we've go an endgame Connie now - which we don't because that ship does not deserve to be called that.
The ships themselves are despised because of what they represent. Because they're the symbol for all that is wrong with Abrams Trek - which we don't want to see in the game as it constantly reminds us of it.
That said, I don't condone hateful messages to other players for flying those ships. The developers try to appeal to a particular customer base by introducing them, and thus they've moved away from trying to please Trekkies. That is not the fault of those players who happen to like Abrams Trek, it's the fault of those who decided to put these vessels into the game in the first place.
This is the reason I asked for a graphics mod in an earlier thread, to allow those of us to have a visual alternative who do not constantly want to be reminded of Abrams Trek through the visuals of the ships, that new uniform pack and (I fear) more stuff to come, without trying to force it on those players who happen to like it.
I agree with you 100%
I honestly have no idea why people today seem to enjoy destroying things with glee. This game like many other franchises seem to no longer respect the fans who made them game possible in the first place. Instead they want to cater to people who are not really fans, And people who are easily led . Next comes the echo chamber of the new players and admins agreeing with everything the company does, And then the constant comments against any dissent in a cult like unity. I hate to see this game be destroyed. But like all good things it eventually comes to a end. I have no desire to be in a echo chamber anyway. So I will just simply chalk it up as a loss and say goodbye. I just hope ARC thinks it was worth it after they have to shut it down over huge losses of players and money. Because one thing will always ring true, You need more than just a echo chamber of people always agreeing with you. You need actual support to survive. A echo chamber will only give a false sense of popularity and a false sense of support for the game. In time reality always catches up. And reality will always smash the safe space brick by brick with glee. Companies have forgotten reality because they now think they can create it on their own. Apparently nobody today reads history anymore.
First, did you realize this thread was over 6 months old?
Second, the thread is 6-months old and the game is still here. Did not die, continues to grow. So where are those huge losses in players and money?
I've been watching Star Trek since the late 70's, following the new series and movies over the years, and I like the new JJ movies and the new Kelvin ships in this game. Read a few Trek novels too, and just started the Typhoon Pact series. Sure everyone is entitled to their opinion but you don't have to complain in game to people about what ship they are flying in game.
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> You acquire Kelvin Timeline ships as a possible reward from opening Kelvin Timeline Lockboxes. You can also find them on the Exchange, current price 345 million EC for the Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser (aka jjprise).
Thanks for the info! One more question, where do you find the Kelvin Timeline lock boxes? On certain missions?
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
I agree with you 100%
I honestly have no idea why people today seem to enjoy destroying things with glee. This game like many other franchises seem to no longer respect the fans who made them game possible in the first place. Instead they want to cater to people who are not really fans, And people who are easily led . Next comes the echo chamber of the new players and admins agreeing with everything the company does, And then the constant comments against any dissent in a cult like unity. I hate to see this game be destroyed. But like all good things it eventually comes to a end. I have no desire to be in a echo chamber anyway. So I will just simply chalk it up as a loss and say goodbye. I just hope ARC thinks it was worth it after they have to shut it down over huge losses of players and money. Because one thing will always ring true, You need more than just a echo chamber of people always agreeing with you. You need actual support to survive. A echo chamber will only give a false sense of popularity and a false sense of support for the game. In time reality always catches up. And reality will always smash the safe space brick by brick with glee. Companies have forgotten reality because they now think they can create it on their own. Apparently nobody today reads history anymore.
If I had a T6 TOS Connie I'd swear off KDF for good so long as I could fly it as an end game ship. Though if I got a T6 D-7 I'd ditch my fed/roms in a heartbeat as well. Shame they don't actually have a T6 T'liss. The TOS romulan dready is nice but not what I want.
Edit: Oh my, a zombie thread that rises like a borg!
First, did you realize this thread was over 6 months old?
Second, the thread is 6-months old and the game is still here. Did not die, continues to grow. So where are those huge losses in players and money?