What actually bamboozles me is why and how did anyone expect anything else? Seriously, why on Earth did anyone expect a fully fledged TOS faction or even a half-arsed one such as the Romulan Republic?? It was always going to be like this - you get to have a small token TOS experience (although quite smaller then I'd expected going by the information availible so far) and then you join the 25-th century Federation.
I mean, let's face some reality here - the game is set in the 25-th century, it was bound for the TOS leveling experience to join up with the main Fed faction at a certain point. You didn't expect them to actually go on and continue developing a fully independent second Federation faction set in the TOS era, did you? Did you??? I'm not glad about how it's done since I do hate the temporal mumbo-jumbo, but given the time-frame discrepancy between the TOS era and current STO I guess it was the only way of doing it.
I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.
ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What actually bamboozles me is why and how did anyone expect anything else? Seriously, why on Earth did anyone expect a fully fledged TOS faction or even a half-arsed one such as the Romulan Republic?? It was always going to be like this - you get to have a small token TOS experience (although quite smaller then I'd expected going by the information availible so far) and then you join the 25-th century Federation.
I mean, let's face some reality here - the game is set in the 25-th century, it was bound for the TOS leveling experience to join up with the main Fed faction at a certain point. You didn't expect them to actually go on and continue developing a fully independent second Federation faction set in the TOS era, did you? Did you??? I'm not glad about how it's done since I do hate the temporal mumbo-jumbo, but given the time-frame discrepancy between the TOS era and current STO I guess it was the only way of doing it.
I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.
ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.
How would TOS episodes fit into Borg and Cardassian content? At all?
I'm not dropping $130 on the Temporal Agent Pack because I'm so jazzed about playing TOS (although that part is kind of cool). I'm doing so because I think the old-school aesthetic they used for those ships is really cool, and I appreciate the part where I can use the TOS-style skins on their later equivalents (looking forward to the T6 battle cruiser with the Ranger-class skin).
And before you mock me for that, ask your WoW-playing friends how many of them bought, say, a sparkle pony ($25 US so that you could have your ground mount and your flying mount look the same - didn't even unlock either one any sooner).
I'm not dropping $130 on the Temporal Agent Pack because I'm so jazzed about playing TOS (although that part is kind of cool). I'm doing so because I think the old-school aesthetic they used for those ships is really cool, and I appreciate the part where I can use the TOS-style skins on their later equivalents (looking forward to the T6 battle cruiser with the Ranger-class skin).
And before you mock me for that, ask your WoW-playing friends how many of them bought, say, a sparkle pony ($25 US so that you could have your ground mount and your flying mount look the same - didn't even unlock either one any sooner).
that is the single reason Im still planning to spend the cash, *IF* this turns out to be true that its 6 missions.... but then again, for 1/2 that price I can get the battlecruisers and still fly TOS style, Im not likely to use the daedalus no matter its stats
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
Well, that's a shame. I think we deserved more, especially for the 50th anniversary. At best, we'll just be getting some fancy ships, some of which have been long requested.
...Except for a T6 connie. C'MON!!!
Chances are that the T6 Connie will be in a Lockbox if we ever get it.
As people in this thread already said, "Be careful what you wish for."
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
I don't think you understand the situation. Even though all the missions had not been unlocked, the story/mission description is already spelled out in the mission journal. And by the end of the 6th mission, you are finished in the old TOS time and are sent to the future by level 10. So to use your example of an author, we already have the end of the story, and it was a much shorter story than most people expected. And if that is what they wanted to do, I guess that's fine. I just don't understand why they would claim something different, like the TOS faction being as much of a faction as the romulans when that apparently isn't the case.
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
I don't think you understand the situation. Even though all the missions had not been unlocked, the story/mission description is already spelled out in the mission journal. And by the end of the 6th mission, you are finished in the old TOS time and are sent to the future by level 10. So to use your example of an author, we already have the end of the story, and it was a much shorter story than most people expected. And if that is what they wanted to do, I guess that's fine. I just don't understand why they would claim something different, like the TOS faction being as much of a faction as the romulans when that apparently isn't the case.
I would suggest this is a faulty assumption. Yes, the end of the first chapter has been reached. Now I hope, in fact I expect, that other content will surface that interleaves with old content allowing you to carry out your character's role as a Temporal Agent. There's simply no way this is "the end of the story", or so I believe. At this point, there's not much sense debating it really. Time will tell.
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
I don't think you understand the situation. Even though all the missions had not been unlocked, the story/mission description is already spelled out in the mission journal. And by the end of the 6th mission, you are finished in the old TOS time and are sent to the future by level 10. So to use your example of an author, we already have the end of the story, and it was a much shorter story than most people expected. And if that is what they wanted to do, I guess that's fine. I just don't understand why they would claim something different, like the TOS faction being as much of a faction as the romulans when that apparently isn't the case.
But if we take a look at the Romulans, they kind of have the same thing...ish. You do missions to get your crew, find New Romlus, and join a faction. You do an arc or two then you kind of fall in the same Fed/KDF colored storyline as everyone else.
Also it goes without saying that keeping TOS players in the past too long was not going to happen so level 10 seem like the natural time to send you, odds are there will be a few missions across time and space just for the TOS Starfleet faction
Okay, can we all stow the torches and pitch forks for at least a while here? You realize that slating the expansion for the sliver of content that we've been allowed to see so far, MONTHS before the expansion releases, amounts to griping at an author for not putting the entire book in the first page. It's ridiculous and senseless. Let the writers and developers do their jobs, and judge the entirety of the content when it drops. So far I've enjoyed what I've seen. I hope there's a lot more to come, and I hope it keeps up a similar standard. With regard to the spoilers already dropped in this thread, I expect that there are more TOS surprises to come. Except now you'll be doing so as a proper Temporal Agent, not a TOS captain in a crepe paper Pioneer.
I don't think you understand the situation. Even though all the missions had not been unlocked, the story/mission description is already spelled out in the mission journal. And by the end of the 6th mission, you are finished in the old TOS time and are sent to the future by level 10. So to use your example of an author, we already have the end of the story, and it was a much shorter story than most people expected. And if that is what they wanted to do, I guess that's fine. I just don't understand why they would claim something different, like the TOS faction being as much of a faction as the romulans when that apparently isn't the case.
But if we take a look at the Romulans, they kind of have the same thing...ish. You do missions to get your crew, find New Romlus, and join a faction. You do an arc or two then you kind of fall in the same Fed/KDF colored storyline as everyone else.
Also it goes without saying that keeping TOS players in the past too long was not going to happen so level 10 seem like the natural time to send you, odds are there will be a few missions across time and space just for the TOS Starfleet faction
what game are you talking about, cause I'm pretty sure cryptic was so against making faction missions the ended the war then shove fed misssions down everone's throats while lying though their teeth about it being faction agnostic. it would be so far beyond ooc for them to do this it wouldn't be funny.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
I just... cant fathom them whining and bitching about factions being too much effort, especially because of tutorials, then drop 6 missions and call it a faction. I know the gecko is an ...hole but saying its 'more than' Romulans then 6? Doesn't compute.. All the work for sector map, ships, char gen, outfits, backend work for 6 missions? I just dont see that.
At this point, I would say the only hope we'd have is Daniels or someone else coming to us from time to time to give us new temporal agent missions that are interspersed with the regular Starfleet missions, but I won't hold my breath on that being the case.
Maybe they are saving something for the actual 50th Anniversary date of September 8th? But if that is the case, they should have just saved the whole expansion for that date.
If six unique missions are all we get I will not buy either of the packs like I was thinking about doing.
I just... cant fathom them whining and bitching about factions being too much effort, especially because of tutorials, then drop 6 missions and call it a faction. I know the gecko is an ...hole but saying its 'more than' Romulans then 6? Doesn't compute.. All the work for sector map, ships, char gen, outfits, backend work for 6 missions? I just dont see that.
You and me both, which is why I'm still holding out hope. Granted, that hope is fading rapidly, but I sincerely hope that in the... what is it, eight weeks now (the rest of the Crystalline event and Risa) until the release? At the rate of mission drops, I hope they drop at least another arc for TOS players before then. If not... at least I've got titles, cool stuff, and some nice pretty T6 ships to play with.
They always hold something back for expansions until closer to time for it to release. Watch the teaser trailer again there is at least one mission teased that has not been seen yet, personally I really don't see them putting everything all that effort into 6 or 7 missions...
is this just a pathetic way for them to get people to buy the TOS uniforms after the AOY toon goes to the 25th century. No you can't wear those clothes anymore cause they don't fit in but you can buy your old clothes back if you want to wear them.
Temporal Recruits = Delta Recruits and are prob just gonna be a way to get one or two unique shineys and the same account benefits to newer players who weren't around for the Delta Recruits.
Cryptic's idea of an expansion is a 6 Episode Story Arc?! Although, Trendy says there are more than 6 missions I wonder where they will put them or if she's referring to the ones already in-game? The 'Arc' wraps up after Episode 6.
I'm not forking over any more money when they can't even fix the server issues.
It was only going to be a matter of time before someone in the gold or lts community would exploit Cryptics generosity on Tribble to spoil it for everyone else. Now the cat is out the bag, yeah, your ship hits permadeath fighting klingons and the rest of your crew except a few officers and yourself are pulled from time just before the ship explodes and you are then made a temporal agent because of your missions leading towards Lt Cmdr.
since that bit was already spoiled there is little point wrapping tags around it this time.
i may pull some money together for the starter pack but the full pack i just dont have the money for such virtual items.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I'm not dropping $130 on the Temporal Agent Pack because I'm so jazzed about playing TOS (although that part is kind of cool). I'm doing so because I think the old-school aesthetic they used for those ships is really cool, and I appreciate the part where I can use the TOS-style skins on their later equivalents (looking forward to the T6 battle cruiser with the Ranger-class skin).
Did you actually think, they would make a new EXPANSION with only the tutorial and 4 additional missions in it? When somthing is too ridicoulus to be true, it most likely is! So please keep your outrage at bay until you see the complete package.
I definitely expected to be thrust into the 25th century at some point, but if it turns out it's really only a glorified tutorial, I may have to abandon plans for purchasing the big pack and just settle for the Starter version. I was hoping this would feel a little more like a sub-faction for the Feds than a fancy tutorial. Definitely scrapping plans for one toon of each division for TOS. Gonna wait and see what the new recruitment thing is like - if there's benefits for the other factions, I may roll new toons for them too, otherwise not.
Plenty of time until it drops, though. Best we keep a close eye on things before we get all mopey about it, in case we're getting mopey over nothing.
I just... cant fathom them whining and bitching about factions being too much effort, especially because of tutorials, then drop 6 missions and call it a faction. I know the gecko is an ...hole but saying its 'more than' Romulans then 6? Doesn't compute.. All the work for sector map, ships, char gen, outfits, backend work for 6 missions? I just dont see that.
Well the sector map is probably only about 20 minutes of work. It's just a copy and past from the one we already have for Beta. the outfits were already prexisting for the most part so no work at all ended to be done on them. All the races were preexisting so no work needed to be done on them. some of the weapons were already pre existing so no work needed to be done on them. It's just the ground maps and missions with the few ships added that would take any time at all. This expansion is just a gimmick to make people buy things that fit the subfaction. It goes like this- Have a TOS toon, start off with a tos ship, lose your tos ship, want another tos ship to fit your toon you have to buy one. Have a tos outfit and lose your tos outfit. Want it back? you have to buy it. Have the Tos bridge lose the tos bridge. Want it back? you have to buy it. ching ching ching $$$$ for them. Someone probably sat in board and thought about a way they could TRIBBLE people over as much as possible with an expansion
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I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.
ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
How would TOS episodes fit into Borg and Cardassian content? At all?
And before you mock me for that, ask your WoW-playing friends how many of them bought, say, a sparkle pony ($25 US so that you could have your ground mount and your flying mount look the same - didn't even unlock either one any sooner).
that is the single reason Im still planning to spend the cash, *IF* this turns out to be true that its 6 missions.... but then again, for 1/2 that price I can get the battlecruisers and still fly TOS style, Im not likely to use the daedalus no matter its stats
thats far far too rational to work in these fora
As people in this thread already said, "Be careful what you wish for."
I don't think you understand the situation. Even though all the missions had not been unlocked, the story/mission description is already spelled out in the mission journal. And by the end of the 6th mission, you are finished in the old TOS time and are sent to the future by level 10. So to use your example of an author, we already have the end of the story, and it was a much shorter story than most people expected. And if that is what they wanted to do, I guess that's fine. I just don't understand why they would claim something different, like the TOS faction being as much of a faction as the romulans when that apparently isn't the case.
I would suggest this is a faulty assumption. Yes, the end of the first chapter has been reached. Now I hope, in fact I expect, that other content will surface that interleaves with old content allowing you to carry out your character's role as a Temporal Agent. There's simply no way this is "the end of the story", or so I believe. At this point, there's not much sense debating it really. Time will tell.
But if we take a look at the Romulans, they kind of have the same thing...ish. You do missions to get your crew, find New Romlus, and join a faction. You do an arc or two then you kind of fall in the same Fed/KDF colored storyline as everyone else.
Also it goes without saying that keeping TOS players in the past too long was not going to happen so level 10 seem like the natural time to send you, odds are there will be a few missions across time and space just for the TOS Starfleet faction
what game are you talking about, cause I'm pretty sure cryptic was so against making faction missions the ended the war then shove fed misssions down everone's throats while lying though their teeth about it being faction agnostic. it would be so far beyond ooc for them to do this it wouldn't be funny.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Maybe they are saving something for the actual 50th Anniversary date of September 8th? But if that is the case, they should have just saved the whole expansion for that date.
If six unique missions are all we get I will not buy either of the packs like I was thinking about doing.
You and me both, which is why I'm still holding out hope. Granted, that hope is fading rapidly, but I sincerely hope that in the... what is it, eight weeks now (the rest of the Crystalline event and Risa) until the release? At the rate of mission drops, I hope they drop at least another arc for TOS players before then. If not... at least I've got titles, cool stuff, and some nice pretty T6 ships to play with.
I was so excited for AoY but now it sounds like TRIBBLE that isn't worth a dame
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4l5tzo/my_problem_with_the_new_temporal_faction_in_aoy/d3lbi3t
they are going to work on the servers!
https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4kb91n/powers_performance_update_may_16/
since that bit was already spoiled there is little point wrapping tags around it this time.
i may pull some money together for the starter pack but the full pack i just dont have the money for such virtual items.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I definitely expected to be thrust into the 25th century at some point, but if it turns out it's really only a glorified tutorial, I may have to abandon plans for purchasing the big pack and just settle for the Starter version. I was hoping this would feel a little more like a sub-faction for the Feds than a fancy tutorial. Definitely scrapping plans for one toon of each division for TOS. Gonna wait and see what the new recruitment thing is like - if there's benefits for the other factions, I may roll new toons for them too, otherwise not.
Plenty of time until it drops, though. Best we keep a close eye on things before we get all mopey about it, in case we're getting mopey over nothing.
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Well the sector map is probably only about 20 minutes of work. It's just a copy and past from the one we already have for Beta. the outfits were already prexisting for the most part so no work at all ended to be done on them. All the races were preexisting so no work needed to be done on them. some of the weapons were already pre existing so no work needed to be done on them. It's just the ground maps and missions with the few ships added that would take any time at all. This expansion is just a gimmick to make people buy things that fit the subfaction. It goes like this- Have a TOS toon, start off with a tos ship, lose your tos ship, want another tos ship to fit your toon you have to buy one. Have a tos outfit and lose your tos outfit. Want it back? you have to buy it. Have the Tos bridge lose the tos bridge. Want it back? you have to buy it. ching ching ching $$$$ for them. Someone probably sat in board and thought about a way they could TRIBBLE people over as much as possible with an expansion
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