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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    Thought they only started work on this expansion last September
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    shpoks wrote: »
    What actually bamboozles me is why and how did anyone expect anything else? Seriously, why on Earth did anyone expect a fully fledged TOS faction or even a half-arsed one such as the Romulan Republic?? It was always going to be like this - you get to have a small token TOS experience (although quite smaller then I'd expected going by the information availible so far) and then you join the 25-th century Federation.
    I mean, let's face some reality here - the game is set in the 25-th century, it was bound for the TOS leveling experience to join up with the main Fed faction at a certain point. You didn't expect them to actually go on and continue developing a fully independent second Federation faction set in the TOS era, did you? Did you??? :confused: I'm not glad about how it's done since I do hate the temporal mumbo-jumbo, but given the time-frame discrepancy between the TOS era and current STO I guess it was the only way of doing it.

    I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.

    ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.

    How would TOS episodes fit into Borg and Cardassian content? At all?

    that's the beauty of time travel in star trek, anything can be made to work.
    look at the DS9 episode "more trouble with tribbles" how could they get away with having a new style Klingon in the same room as the old style Klingons but it worked, also look at the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" how could they get away with having a green skinned vulcan in 1930s America but it worked.
    that's one of the beauty's of star trek theres not much you cant get away with and that's canon, especially when cryptic bring holographic skins into play, with these at your disposal you can get away with just about anything.
    with holographic skins you can make Klingons, Cardassians and even Borg as well as any other race you care to mention look like a TOS star fleet officer.
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    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    shpoks wrote: »
    What actually bamboozles me is why and how did anyone expect anything else? Seriously, why on Earth did anyone expect a fully fledged TOS faction or even a half-arsed one such as the Romulan Republic?? It was always going to be like this - you get to have a small token TOS experience (although quite smaller then I'd expected going by the information availible so far) and then you join the 25-th century Federation.
    I mean, let's face some reality here - the game is set in the 25-th century, it was bound for the TOS leveling experience to join up with the main Fed faction at a certain point. You didn't expect them to actually go on and continue developing a fully independent second Federation faction set in the TOS era, did you? Did you??? :confused: I'm not glad about how it's done since I do hate the temporal mumbo-jumbo, but given the time-frame discrepancy between the TOS era and current STO I guess it was the only way of doing it.

    I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.

    ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.

    How would TOS episodes fit into Borg and Cardassian content? At all?

    that's the beauty of time travel in star trek, anything can be made to work.
    look at the DS9 episode "more trouble with tribbles" how could they get away with having a new style Klingon in the same room as the old style Klingons but it worked, also look at the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" how could they get away with having a green skinned Klingon in 1930s America but it worked.
    that's one of the beauty's of star trek theres not much you cant get away with and that's canon, especially when cryptic bring holographic skins into play, with these at your disposal you can get away with just about anything.

    Yeah, there's a small problem with having the Borg in TOS era. It's the same problem Enterprise faced doing a borg episode. The federation first meets the Borg in TNG. So no, this doesn't seem like a great suggestion. It's stitching an unrelated theme into TOS, it's doing so with a particular story that has a set obstacle (Q introduces the federation to the Borg) and it's doing so for no reason other than personal preference.

    There's much stronger thematic ways to get a Borg focused update/faction/expansion. Tying TOS into it is just a bad idea. My recommendation is to wait until after Agents of Yesterday, after the TOS hubub, and after the new expansion and then see if the game is going to revisit the oft-suggested idea of a Collection faction.

    Same with Cardassians.

    TOS just isn't the right flavor for either of those.
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    to me it doesn't matter how many ToS episodes they throw into the game its how the characters end up and what they have access to that is unique to them that makes the difference between a faction and a non faction, with romulans after your storyline ends you still have the ability to access certain maps in the game like the romulan flotilla and new romulas command as well as faction ships without spending any zen that other factions cannot use, what will ToS characters be able to access that is unique to them after the ToS missons.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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    daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    I've decided that as long as we get SOME kind of T-6 Connie out of this, I'll make do and be happy with however many new episodes They decide to make.

    I do like all the new TOS ships and the Space Barbie stuff in the AoY pack, so it was never going to be a real disappointment in my eyes anyway.

    Even though I bought the original TOS bundle They released back in 2011, there's enough NEW stuff in the AoY pack to get me to purchase it.
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    This is pretty much what I was expecting.

    If they do like they did with Delta Recruits, where these new characters can earn account unlocks, then I'll make one and level up to 60, then delete. If they don't have the account unlock feature, I'll probably make one just to play the first 6 missions, then delete.

    This really makes that $130 AOY pack look like quite a rip off doesn't it? Honestly though, I don't feel sorry for anyone that bought it, you would have to be nuts to lay down $130 before any information was even released. Overall though, this seems like it would be fun to do for 6 missions then delete.

    I'm not all that excited for it personally. I don't get why it had to be a 'half faction' instead of just doing something similar to what they did during the well received Delta Recruiting event.

    To me it's simple. Even if these ships were just alternate Fed ships an there was no AoY/TOS faction, I would have acquired them. I am not even a big fan of the TOS aesthetics, but I am still curious to see how it feels to fly these ships.


    But I agree that anyone that bought the ships expecting more without knowing more might have made a mistake. There was never a need to rush it. But people are impatient. (And the rumor-mongering and doom-wailing based on incomplete information is just the other coin of it.)
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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2016

    that's the beauty of time travel in star trek, anything can be made to work.
    look at the DS9 episode "more trouble with tribbles" how could they get away with having a new style Klingon in the same room as the old style Klingons but it worked, also look at the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" how could they get away with having a green skinned Klingon in 1930s America but it worked.
    that's one of the beauty's of star trek theres not much you cant get away with and that's canon, especially when cryptic bring holographic skins into play, with these at your disposal you can get away with just about anything.
    with holographic skins you can make Klingons, Cardassians and even Borg as well as any other race you care to mention look like a TOS star fleet officer.

    Um......there wasn't a green skinned Klingon in the episode The City on the edge of forever, unless Spock was on his way to a Klingon convention.

    Ah, yes, that dirty secret.
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    goodscotchgoodscotch Member Posts: 1,680 Arc User
    You don't have to create a new character. There will be some things for existing characters to experience. This from their initial announcement: "In addition to the ability to create a brand new Star Trek: The Original Series Starfleet captain, we will be introducing a new episode arc for players of every faction, the Temporal Initiative Resistance Reputation, a Temporal Operative Primary Specialization along with brand new Bridge Officer powers.
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    fraghul3000fraghul3000 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I, personally, don't wish to become overly involved in this debate but I will say that the "there are more than six missions" was the sort of answer one would expect from your average politian.

    SPOILERS

    Technically, it's already true. We have 7 missions: 1 introductory tutorial, 1 starbase tutorial (visit tailor, visit starship vendor etc...) and 5 true episodes, albeit they are very short. Even with looking around, exploring a bit, carefully reading the texts, taking my time and last but not least exploding a few times because the enemy ships are still overpowered (not intentional says Cryptic), it took me about 90 minutes to complete them.

    Overall, I think there is more TOS feeling in the current Fed-arc than in the current state the TOS-expansion is in.

    The mission rewards were very disappointing as well. I was kinda expecting them to be on par with what we recieved in the last new featured episodes: special items, titles, costumes on first playthrough and some sort of incentive (item set etc...) to replay them. But it's the same common/uncommon vendor TRIBBLE that's been plaguing the rest of the old missions.



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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I, personally, don't wish to become overly involved in this debate but I will say that the "there are more than six missions" was the sort of answer one would expect from your average politian.

    SPOILERS

    Technically, it's already true. We have 7 missions: 1 introductory tutorial, 1 starbase tutorial (visit tailor, visit starship vendor etc...) and 5 true episodes, albeit they are very short. Even with looking around, exploring a bit, carefully reading the texts, taking my time and last but not least exploding a few times because the enemy ships are still overpowered (not intentional says Cryptic), it took me about 90 minutes to complete them.

    Overall, I think there is more TOS feeling in the current Fed-arc than in the current state the TOS-expansion is in.

    The mission rewards were very disappointing as well. I was kinda expecting them to be on par with what we recieved in the last new featured episodes: special items, titles, costumes on first playthrough and some sort of incentive (item set etc...) to replay them. But it's the same common/uncommon vendor TRIBBLE that's been plaguing the rest of the old missions.



    special stuff and set items would have to be in the faction agnostic missions, so everyone could get them. I'm holding out hope for TWoK space and ground weapons myself ...
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    neos472neos472 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    there will be way more than just 6 or 7 missions remember they have a model of an older Scotty from TNG also there are most likely more ways we can help the timestream.... covertly in the TOS area consider these missions an appetizer.
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    neos472 wrote: »
    there will be way more than just 6 or 7 missions remember they have a model of an older Scotty from TNG also there are most likely more ways we can help the timestream.... covertly in the TOS area consider these missions an appetizer.

    More missions? Yes. More TOS faction exclusive missions? Probably not, and that's why people are upset.
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    trekonlinefan#9073 trekonlinefan Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    i also think this is a really good question we should all consider:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/sto/comments/4lawrm/how_much_faction_specific_content_do_you_expect_a/
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    talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    Even I was sad to see 6 missions before "dump into standard fed faction". I was hoping more for "Daniels saves you and you go here, there and everywhere through time" One moment your in the Era of the ENT B stopping the Nakul, next you go up a few years STO them again, then go into the Enterprise C era and you save the Stargazer, ENT C, stop a plot maybe to launch the Federation and Romulan Empire into a war.

    But alas, I'm starting to lose hope.
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    thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,102 Arc User
    I would of kept the player in the TOS era until they hit 50, then send them on a mission that gets them thrown into 2409/10 ... then scare the TRIBBLE out of them when they need to start grinding...

    Reputations (x8)
    Admiralty (x3)
    Crafting (x6)
    Fleet stuff
    Dilithium

    ...yay!
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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    I dunno if "is this Expansion is going to suck" is the actual concern here ... at least it's not for me ... as long as it's not going to make me "rebuy" old/new ships, forcing me into grind (DR *cough* *cough*) ... my personal worst-case-reaction is probably "Meh" ...

    ... I just don't see the point in creating a new TOS-Toon, or buying new TOS-Ships (yet) ... if it's basically just "23rd-Century-Space-Barbie" replaying the same content ...

    Still holding out hope that the "best & most" content will still be released for all factions (probably after "Future Proof"), as for TOS-Toons however ... I'm still going with "Meh" ...
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    captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    thay8472 wrote: »
    I would of kept the player in the TOS era until they hit 50, then send them on a mission that gets them thrown into 2409/10 ... then scare the TRIBBLE out of them when they need to start grinding...

    Reputations (x8)
    Admiralty (x3)
    Crafting (x6)
    Fleet stuff
    Dilithium

    ...yay!

    How evil. Very fitting for the empire :P
    I need a beer.

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    feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    POPCORN!! PITCHFORKS!! TORCHES!! Get em here get em hot!

    One popcorn please.

    And on a related note. I bought my pack partly because I kicked myself for not buying the LoR pack when it was first out. And ToS is more important. All that, and going to hold my complaints till after launch day when we see all we are going to get.

    *Munches popcorn*

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    mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    By the way, going by the current Tribble state of the TOS faction, not only has it only 6 missions, but it's story ends after the Borg Advance. No Delta Rising, Iconian War, New Dawn...

    So I personally doubt we've seen everything.
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    shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    .....No Delta Rising.....

    No 'Delta Rising'?!? Sign me up for that TOS faction, I'm getting the BIG PACK!!! :D

    (jk) :trollface:

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    thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    So I personally doubt we've seen everything.

    Which wasn't really the point ... to begin with ...
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User

    that's the beauty of time travel in star trek, anything can be made to work.
    look at the DS9 episode "more trouble with tribbles" how could they get away with having a new style Klingon in the same room as the old style Klingons but it worked, also look at the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" how could they get away with having a green skinned Klingon in 1930s America but it worked.
    that's one of the beauty's of star trek theres not much you cant get away with and that's canon, especially when cryptic bring holographic skins into play, with these at your disposal you can get away with just about anything.
    with holographic skins you can make Klingons, Cardassians and even Borg as well as any other race you care to mention look like a TOS star fleet officer.

    Um......there wasn't a green skinned Klingon in the episode The City on the edge of forever, unless Spock was on his way to a Klingon convention.

    opps, not thinking of what I'm typing, thanks for the heads up, error corrected.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,354 Arc User
    *SIGH* Alot of people seriously not reading things correctly. There ARE more than 6 missions. But I do wish people would quit asking for a T6 Connie! It's already out in the Guardian!
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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    wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    Lets seeeee, six ships, 150.00 dollars.. That seems ok to me.. New faction, TOS storyline?? yeahh, could have been a real groundbreaker that one, but it wont be.. I've been playing this game now for almost five years, and ive watched as cryptic has forced us into what they call "mini-factions" and diluted the Klingons into little more than another weird alien member of the federation. They appear to want only one faction in the end. I'll let you guess what that is, and they only want one storyline.. They're only tossing this stuff at us to boost sales for another few months and bolster STO's flagging player base.. Theyve already succeeded in chasing off the majority of fans and the original players and they're too stupid to seer that their hype and bullhockey just aren't gonna cut it any more..
    Cryptic is doing just another promise the moon and give them a warm steaming pile maneuver like theyve done consistently since they took over from Atari.. Honestly, I miss Atari, but thats life..
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    bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited May 2016
    shpoks wrote: »
    What actually bamboozles me is why and how did anyone expect anything else? Seriously, why on Earth did anyone expect a fully fledged TOS faction or even a half-arsed one such as the Romulan Republic?? It was always going to be like this - you get to have a small token TOS experience (although quite smaller then I'd expected going by the information availible so far) and then you join the 25-th century Federation.
    I mean, let's face some reality here - the game is set in the 25-th century, it was bound for the TOS leveling experience to join up with the main Fed faction at a certain point. You didn't expect them to actually go on and continue developing a fully independent second Federation faction set in the TOS era, did you? Did you??? :confused: I'm not glad about how it's done since I do hate the temporal mumbo-jumbo, but given the time-frame discrepancy between the TOS era and current STO I guess it was the only way of doing it.

    I would have simply made an expansion with say a cardassians or borg faction similar in style to the romulan faction with a similar choose a side at some point to be released in conjunction with a cardassian or borg recruit event and then just added some ToS based missions to the current story line based arround a time travel scenario that we could have played with all of our existing characters, now that would have been an expansion.

    ok so it would have been a half faction like the roms but it would have been a whole lot better then the ToS non faction we have been given.

    How would TOS episodes fit into Borg and Cardassian content? At all?

    that's the beauty of time travel in star trek, anything can be made to work.
    look at the DS9 episode "more trouble with tribbles" how could they get away with having a new style Klingon in the same room as the old style Klingons but it worked, also look at the TOS episode "The City on the Edge of Forever" how could they get away with having a green skinned Klingon in 1930s America but it worked.
    that's one of the beauty's of star trek theres not much you cant get away with and that's canon, especially when cryptic bring holographic skins into play, with these at your disposal you can get away with just about anything.

    Yeah, there's a small problem with having the Borg in TOS era. It's the same problem Enterprise faced doing a borg episode. The federation first meets the Borg in TNG. So no, this doesn't seem like a great suggestion. It's stitching an unrelated theme into TOS, it's doing so with a particular story that has a set obstacle (Q introduces the federation to the Borg) and it's doing so for no reason other than personal preference.

    There's much stronger thematic ways to get a Borg focused update/faction/expansion. Tying TOS into it is just a bad idea. My recommendation is to wait until after Agents of Yesterday, after the TOS hubub, and after the new expansion and then see if the game is going to revisit the oft-suggested idea of a Collection faction.

    Same with Cardassians.

    TOS just isn't the right flavor for either of those.

    if any Borg or Cardassian characters were using holographic skins that portrayed them as earthling star fleet officers who is going to know the difference, providing they are given instructions before the missions to act in the manner of a earthling star fleet officer and not to do anything to raise suspicion as to their true identity like go around assimilating people in the case of the Borg characters I really don't see why there should be a problem.
    the big problem for me like I said in a previous post is there is just not enough individuality in the ToS characters once they make the leap to the current timeline to class them as a separate faction, unlike romulans who have separate areas they can visit and ships they can fly that is unique to them the ToS characters have nothing like this to tell them apart from regular fed characters.

    players have expected a new faction for a long time and this half baked offering is a terrible let down as far as a new faction is concerned.

    When I think about everything we've been through together,

    maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,

     and if that journey takes a little longer,

    so we can do something we all believe in,

     I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.

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    snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    if any Borg or Cardassian characters were using holographic skins that portrayed them as earthling star fleet officers who is going to know the difference,

    That's cool and all, but it's still just stapling something you want onto the back of the TOS theme. There's no real thematic connection. Both of those ideas, a Collective mini-faction and a Cardassian mini-faction are fine ideas. With tons of support. But they need to be framed by content that is theirs. The TOS expansion isn't the right background for either of those. There is a lot of interest in both of those ideas. The devs are aware of it. And they may have something in store for one or both of those ideas. Give it time. Let it be the right way of doing it. Shoving it into 1960s Star Trek stories isn't really a good idea for Borg and Cardassians.
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