Agony Rifle = weaponized torture as a event reward?? turn in option please.

hakaze

It's one thing to shoot someone because they are your enemy, but seriously? A weapon that entraps you, and tortures you to death while unable to move? Sorry Game or not this goes way to far for me O_O

PLEAAAASE Cryptic can't you add a hand in option to switch it for the mirror shotgun? This thing is just too sick.

thay8472

It's just a rifle version of the stasis pistol.

Basically if you get hit with the secondary you become immune to damage for X time. The damage done... well... if you use the secondary you'll just be making X longer to kill.

hakaze

thay8472 wrote: »

It's just a rifle version of the stasis pistol.

Basically if you get hit with the secondary you become immune to damage for X time. The damage done... well... if you use the secondary you'll just be making X longer to kill.

it's more the in game explanation of how it works that is repulsive O_o "after suffering the effects of an Agony field" doesn't really help keeping my lunch in either X_X

darkbladejk

Don't take this the wrong way but, of all the more disturbing things that happen in this game, THIS is the one that bothers you. In the lore the mirror universe always had what's known as agony chambers, portable agonizers and so on. for the mirror universe in game this is nothing new at all and is actually conceivably something that the Terran Empire would have invented at some point. I honestly find it more disturbing that when assimilated by the Borg they use no anesthetics as demonstrated by Voyager and you lose your individuality, than I find this rifle. If it bothers you that much you don't have to use the rifle.

theraven2378

I've got no ethical judgement with weapons, I'll use the rifle

hakaze

darkbladejk wrote: »

Don't take this the wrong way but, of all the more disturbing things that happen in this game, THIS is the one that bothers you. In the lore the mirror universe always had what's known as agony chambers, portable agonizers and so on. for the mirror universe in game this is nothing new at all and is actually conceivably something that the Terran Empire would have invented at some point. I honestly find it more disturbing that when assimilated by the Borg they use no anesthetics as demonstrated by Voyager and you lose your individuality, than I find this rifle. If it bothers you that much you don't have to use the rifle.

I was under the impression that because the conversion progress causes the nanites to block nerve signals it would override pain receptors too. I guess that aint the case then Q_Q

angrytarg

I understand where you are coming from OP and it's certainly questionable to have all the supposed prime starfleet chars run around suing agony rifles, but then again there is no logic in STO. It's just a theme park and a colourful pile of memorabilia and the agony rifle is a nod to the mirror universe, the flavour texts have no real in-game meaning anyway.

Besides, you probably desintegrate or slowly posion people with radiation and gas to death all the time. If you play a science char, all the science at your disposal is just there to kill people in creative and cruel ways, so...​​

hakaze

angrytarg wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from OP and it's certainly questionable to have all the supposed prime starfleet chars run around suing agony rifles, but then again there is no logic in STO. It's just a theme park and a colourful pile of memorabilia and the agony rifle is a nod to the mirror universe, the flavour texts have no real in-game meaning anyway.

Besides, you probably desintegrate or slowly posion people with radiation and gas to death all the time. If you play a science char, all the science at your disposal is just there to kill people in creative and cruel ways, so...​​

Actually I only use science healing and buff ability and replaced the gas and what not with the plasma feedback cascade and the hippy crystal grenade, exactly because that stuff didn't sit quite right with me X_X although I do carry delovene to buff my melee loving friend :P

thay8472

angrytarg wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from OP and it's certainly questionable to have all the supposed prime starfleet chars run around suing agony rifles, but then again there is no logic in STO. It's just a theme park and a colourful pile of memorabilia and the agony rifle is a nod to the mirror universe, the flavour texts have no real in-game meaning anyway.

Besides, you probably desintegrate or slowly posion people with radiation and gas to death all the time. If you play a science char, all the science at your disposal is just there to kill people in creative and cruel ways, so...​​

Well... why wouldn't Starfleet use it? Seems like a go to weapon if you want the target alive... in agony.... ha... ha... ha...

kayajay

What about a button-and-a-wall-monitor weapon? You know, just making an enemy disappear in a flash.

potencethe1st

This is a thinly veiled plea to trade in that garbage gun for the shotgun.

says lots about the OP

shrimphead2015

If this rifle bothers you then whatever you do, don't play Mortal Kombat X , Day Z , Dead Space trilogy or any of the other games that deal in more blood, guts and torture than sto would produce. What are we talking about here anyway? A bunch of pixels that randomly emote being tortured? That's it? If the target's head explodes or if the body itself blasts a fountain of blood all over the screen I could see how some would get a little squeamish but this really seems like an over reaction to something that could be alot worse. Hell I am in agony over the fact I can't get the rifle!

bobbydazlers

darkbladejk wrote: »

Don't take this the wrong way but, of all the more disturbing things that happen in this game, THIS is the one that bothers you. In the lore the mirror universe always had what's known as agony chambers, portable agonizers and so on. for the mirror universe in game this is nothing new at all and is actually conceivably something that the Terran Empire would have invented at some point. I honestly find it more disturbing that when assimilated by the Borg they use no anesthetics as demonstrated by Voyager and you lose your individuality, than I find this rifle. If it bothers you that much you don't have to use the rifle.

although what you say about the riffle is true, I cant see anyone from the star trek prime universe using such a weapon, sure they might use the beam but never the agony field as such this weapon is only good as half a standard weapon in the hands of a star fleet officer.
its also true that what the borg do to assimilate an individual is even worse but don't forget borg are the quintessential bad guys and bad guys don't play by star fleet rules, star fleet are the good guys and would never forcibly impose their will on another race.
that's why its normal for mirror universe terrans to use agonizer weapons they are after all the bad guys.

I would discard this item rather then equip any of my characters or their boffs with it.

when copying technology from alien races I believe that any weapon that inflicts unnecessary suffering like this would never be allowed, after all star fleet never starts a conflict they only use weapons for defence, if there is a diplomatic solution they would always use that first and foremost.

I don't even believe that Klingons or romulans would use such a weapon they would think anyone who did use it without honour.
even cardasians would shun it.

daveyny

kayajay wrote: »

What about a button-and-a-wall-monitor weapon? You know, just making an enemy
disappear in a flash.

That would be the "Tantalus Device".

darkhorse281

potencethe1st wrote: »

This is a thinly veiled plea to trade in that garbage gun for the shotgun.

says lots about the OP

LOL I'd be all for that swap, rather have the shotgun on the toons that don't have it.

hakaze

potencethe1st wrote: »

This is a thinly veiled plea to trade in that garbage gun for the shotgun.

says lots about the OP

I don't need the shotgun I got the sniper rifle with 100% penetration to fight borg :O and assuming the worst of people right of the bat? not very star fleet of you ! :O

bobbydazlers wrote: »

darkbladejk wrote: »

Don't take this the wrong way but, of all the more disturbing things that happen in this game, THIS is the one that bothers you. In the lore the mirror universe always had what's known as agony chambers, portable agonizers and so on. for the mirror universe in game this is nothing new at all and is actually conceivably something that the Terran Empire would have invented at some point. I honestly find it more disturbing that when assimilated by the Borg they use no anesthetics as demonstrated by Voyager and you lose your individuality, than I find this rifle. If it bothers you that much you don't have to use the rifle.

although what you say about the riffle is true, I cant see anyone from the star trek prime universe using such a weapon, sure they might use the beam but never the agony field as such this weapon is only good as half a standard weapon in the hands of a star fleet officer.
its also true that what the borg do to assimilate an individual is even worse but don't forget borg are the quintessential bad guys and bad guys don't play by star fleet rules, star fleet are the good guys and would never forcibly impose their will on another race.
that's why its normal for mirror universe terrans to use agonizer weapons they are after all the bad guys.

I would discard this item rather then equip any of my characters or their boffs with it.

Personally I'd rather put it on a plaque with a description of where it's from and what it does, as a reminder of what it stands for and that a star fleet officer should do what they can to prevent suffering when it is possible :O

officerbatman81

Did anyone else see when shrimphead changed out the ed grimley avatar to a more sophisticated looking martin short character his posts sound more intelligent and mature.

This is meant to be a compliment, so kudos keep it up!

seaofsorrows

I'm really just running this even for the marks and Dilithium. My KDF Rom might use this, but my feds will just chuck it in the bank and forget about it.

It's certainly not a weapon that screams 'Starfleet.'

hakaze

seaofsorrows wrote: »

I'm really just running this even for the marks and Dilithium. My KDF Rom might use this, but my feds will just chuck it in the bank and forget about it.

It's certainly not a weapon that screams 'Starfleet.'

the TOS Klingons maybe but the 25th century klingons seem to be all about honor and respecting art again, which is a seriously conflicting with their doff assignment which are still about executing changelings and robbing starfleet XD

shrimphead2015

officerbatman81 wrote: »

Did anyone else see when shrimphead changed out the ed grimley avatar to a more sophisticated looking martin short character his posts sound more intelligent and mature.

This is meant to be a compliment, so kudos keep it up!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=98MNisZJyFI

Enjoy my friend!

P.S. Took out the video and left the link so as not to kill anyone's bandwidth.

farshore

"Laugh maniacally while in use"

hakaze

farshore wrote: »

"Laugh maniacally while in use"

... at least some people seem to have fun with it? O_O'''

storules

For real???
This needs to be put into more illustrative words:

https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c​​

sennahcherib

angrytarg wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from OP and it's certainly questionable to have all the supposed prime starfleet chars run around suing agony rifles, but then again there is no logic in STO. It's just a theme park and a colourful pile of memorabilia and the agony rifle is a nod to the mirror universe, the flavour texts have no real in-game meaning anyway.

Besides, you probably desintegrate or slowly posion people with radiation and gas to death all the time. If you play a science char, all the science at your disposal is just there to kill people in creative and cruel ways, so...​​

yes, nothing is logic in this game, like the players who can use the heralds ground skills; the heralds were modified to be able to use this technology, but the players can use it without problems (solar gateway etc ..)

do like me, forget all the illogical stuff, and play like you want. in the voth bz, I try to avoid all these false heralds

royalsovereign

Kudos to the OP for RP'ing some ethics. I'd suggest you toss the thing in your bank, and in your own head maybe you have a 'agonizer rifle burning party' on Risa or something where you dispose of them all.

My Starfleet toons will probably do this - not much reason to use the thing anyway. Well, except for my Mirror Universe Engineer - can I get five of 'em so the whole away team can use 'em?

I don't think my Roms would have any qualms about it - it was made plainly clear in several episodes that torture was perfectly acceptable. And klinks, despite the Worf-and-later focus on the bushido-like honor system, started out in TOS with things like the Mind Sifter.

hyefather

hakaze wrote: »

angrytarg wrote: »

I understand where you are coming from OP and it's certainly questionable to have all the supposed prime starfleet chars run around suing agony rifles, but then again there is no logic in STO. It's just a theme park and a colourful pile of memorabilia and the agony rifle is a nod to the mirror universe, the flavour texts have no real in-game meaning anyway.

Besides, you probably desintegrate or slowly posion people with radiation and gas to death all the time. If you play a science char, all the science at your disposal is just there to kill people in creative and cruel ways, so...​​

Actually I only use science healing and buff ability and replaced the gas and what not with the plasma feedback cascade and the hippy crystal grenade, exactly because that stuff didn't sit quite right with me X_X although I do carry delovene to buff my melee loving friend :P

I have to say after reading some of your posts. Your a better man than me. I say park up about 5 romulan scimitars, Thalaron weapon cascade activated and vap the whole planet. Watch thier faces melt off. Prime or mirrior, mwa ha ha ha ha.

mustrumridcully0

Maybe they could use that Prototype Collector Ferengi as a turn-in.

Though... uh... what will he do with them?

xyquarze

Without commenting on the original issue (which I do understand but not necessarily share - it is up to my captains to decide if there is no order from above to use or not use them):

shrimphead2015 wrote: »

If this rifle bothers you then whatever you do, don't play Mortal Kombat X , Day Z , Dead Space trilogy or any of the other games that deal in more blood, guts and torture than sto would produce.

Ehm, I don't - and I fail to see what other games and their gore or potentially morally questionable content have to do with STO?

hakaze

storules wrote: »

For real???
This needs to be put into more illustrative words:

https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c​​

unfortunately because you didn't even bother to include a quote it's hard to say who you actually mean with that O

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

Maybe they could use that Prototype Collector Ferengi as a turn-in.

Though... uh... what will he do with them?

I'd like to put it in a museum after having its energy source remove to prevent it from being used right away if stolen by some crazed collector. Say a exposition on abuse of technology or something like that :O

darkbladejk

bobbydazlers wrote: »

darkbladejk wrote: »

Don't take this the wrong way but, of all the more disturbing things that happen in this game, THIS is the one that bothers you. In the lore the mirror universe always had what's known as agony chambers, portable agonizers and so on. for the mirror universe in game this is nothing new at all and is actually conceivably something that the Terran Empire would have invented at some point. I honestly find it more disturbing that when assimilated by the Borg they use no anesthetics as demonstrated by Voyager and you lose your individuality, than I find this rifle. If it bothers you that much you don't have to use the rifle.

although what you say about the riffle is true, I cant see anyone from the star trek prime universe using such a weapon, sure they might use the beam but never the agony field as such this weapon is only good as half a standard weapon in the hands of a star fleet officer.
its also true that what the borg do to assimilate an individual is even worse but don't forget borg are the quintessential bad guys and bad guys don't play by star fleet rules, star fleet are the good guys and would never forcibly impose their will on another race.
that's why its normal for mirror universe terrans to use agonizer weapons they are after all the bad guys.

I would discard this item rather then equip any of my characters or their boffs with it.

when copying technology from alien races I believe that any weapon that inflicts unnecessary suffering like this would never be allowed, after all star fleet never starts a conflict they only use weapons for defence, if there is a diplomatic solution they would always use that first and foremost.

I don't even believe that Klingons or romulans would use such a weapon they would think anyone who did use it without honour.
even cardasians would shun it.

I would also remind you that there are various settings you can place a weapon on in the star trek lore. Several times in the show we see the crews adjusting the power level of the phasers they're using, anywhere from stun, heavy stun, to kill. The same could be said from a lore standpoint with the agonizer rifles.

The point of the mirror universe is it's like looking into a mirror. So for someone such as Leeta who is pretty harmless normally and sort of a happy go lucky type of character, mirror Leeta is well, you see. I see no reason why the prime universe starfleet couldn't just adapt a version that holds but kills without all the pain, speaking from a lore standpoint. there's also certain weapons that starfleet keeps on hand in case of various situations happening. one example is the tr-116 rifles. they're designed to work in situations where normal energy weapons can't.

The Klingons yes may consider certain things dishonorable and so on but would not be above using a weapon such as the agonizer rifles. The klingons would simply make it work for them. The romulans could honestly fall on either side of the spectrum but I suspect they would use them if the situation demanded it. This weapon would be used more widely than you think imo. Not all species share the federation's disdain for such weaponry.

duncanidaho11

I see the OP's point but I hope he/she sees the irony in asking for A SHOTGUN as a superior moral choice to yet another device intended to kill things.

Either way, it's going to hurt (see. how it feels to get shot) the difference is merely what's described by the tool tip. But that said you don't have to use the weapon. You don't even have to keep it. Just grind for dilithium and marks and call it a day.