Well hello fellow Trekkies, Gamers, Nerds and the rest of the community..
If I missed a similar proposal I apologies in advanced. The bitter disappointment about the T6 Defiants Stats seems to overlap in regards to the Role this fine ship should preform. As of today one may conclude that the stats are mediocre and besides the nice costume where is nothing to go for this ship.
How about changing the the ship stats to a equivalent of a Fed heavy Raider, like it was already done with the Aquarius which is an equivalent of a Raider called a light Escort. Yes yes I know but let me further elaborate. In the TV show the Defiant preformed many task a BoP would preform in the Empire and one could consider that in regards to the Game Mechanics the Role of Heavy Raider is suitable to the Defiant.
So take a look at my Proposal of a T6 C-Store version for example.
Ship Details
Hull Strength: 34,500 at level 50 and 40,000 at level 60
There's quite a few overpowered add ons you got there. 1 commander tac and universals otherwise, without even sacrificing a BOFF that the Kor has to pay? Raider flanking on a ship with already an advantageous 40k hull and .9 shield mod? Fed ships with Fed goodies AND perks found in the KDF without it happening the other way is not right at all.
I would have gone for 4 shooters to be part of a set, with the 3pc bonus making the cloak a battlecloak. The BOFF posts are fine as they posted, not one station below Lt is a welcome sight. turn rate could be 19 without any undue harm. And the starship trait really should have helped CSV AND CRF. 5/1 weapons sounds about right, even 5/2.
Not that any ideas you or I have matters at this point though.
The Mat'Ha is a heavy escort that has emphasis on offense and defense while sacrificing mobility. It's front loaded, with a boff layout that has emphasis on defense.
There's quite a few overpowered add ons you got there. 1 commander tac and universals otherwise, without even sacrificing a BOFF that the Kor has to pay? Raider flanking on a ship with already an advantageous 40k hull and .9 shield mod? Fed ships with Fed goodies AND perks found in the KDF without it happening the other way is not right at all.
Well I have to disagree on the Overpowered Points, actually the Herald Baltim Heavy Raider is even more powerful.
It has 42k Hull, 0.95 shield mod without sacrificing a Boff or a Boff power and it even has 2 lt.Commander Uni. The Hull and shield mod proposed are balanced in Regards to the Baltim Heavy Raider. Because if you want to have Cloak on the Defiant you need to sacrifice a Console Slot and hence why I only suggest the 25% not 33% Flanking Bonus Dmg as a additional sacrifice. To be frank I personally think the Kor should get a boost, cause even considering the Enhanced Battle Cloak it is still underpowered. If the T6 Defiant should become a Raider it must obey the Rules of the Class, like having 6 Weapon stations in total.
Well this went from a "must buy" to a "hell no" with the inclusion of fleet versions.
I'm not going to be forced to join someone's fleet and quit playing the game my way, and pay you even more cash money, to get the "real" version of ships that cost 50+ bucks to begin with
There's quite a few overpowered add ons you got there. 1 commander tac and universals otherwise, without even sacrificing a BOFF that the Kor has to pay? Raider flanking on a ship with already an advantageous 40k hull and .9 shield mod? Fed ships with Fed goodies AND perks found in the KDF without it happening the other way is not right at all.
Well I have to disagree on the Overpowered Points, actually the Herald Baltim Heavy Raider is even more powerful.
It has 42k Hull, 0.95 shield mod without sacrificing a Boff or a Boff power and it even has 2 lt.Commander Uni. The Hull and shield mod proposed are balanced in Regards to the Baltim Heavy Raider. Because if you want to have Cloak on the Defiant you need to sacrifice a Console Slot and hence why I only suggest the 25% not 33% Flanking Bonus Dmg as a additional sacrifice. To be frank I personally think the Kor should get a boost, cause even considering the Enhanced Battle Cloak it is still underpowered. If the T6 Defiant should become a Raider it must obey the Rules of the Class, like having 6 Weapon stations in total.
In that case, I'm more inclined to agree. Honestly I don't want so much to see them keep the Valiant down, as it is about that I don't want it to have any unduly decisive advantages over and above the Kor. The KDF pays too much of a penalty as it is for having its onboard cloak, which other than on birds of prey, is NOT battlecloak.
As to the Baltim, all too true. I suppose it's a good thing that it's a lobi ship, so it truly is a matter of opening enough boxes for the lobi inside before you get one. I despise the lottery ships and the other two are simply that. I suppose they have to be better than the faction ships, so as to attract people to buy keys to pop those herald boxes.
"Gimme T6 Defiant, now!"
* gets handed a T6 Defiant
"Not good enough! Waaaa! Gimme better T6 Defiant, now!"
Same thing that was said in all the GalX threads...
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And some people want to eat bananas and when they get only the skin they eat it anyways just because the banana was there many years ago. Grow some courage, no one is crying, people are staying facts $30 for a ship that is under geared? Gimme a break. Waaaaaah Waaaaah people are complaining.
Seek and ye shall find. Ask and ye shall receive. Rabboni
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" (Benjamin Franklin).
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
So, out of interest - since I won't be able to log into the game itself for a few hours - could anyone possibly advise if the bundle receives a 'weekend Zen discount'?
Sure, give the Defiant T6 5/2 weapons layout, but I expect the T6 Scimitar to have a 8/6 weapons layout. After all, the Scimitar was supposed to have 5x weapons than any other ship, but Feds and KDF get the same amount of forward weapons on ships that are a fraction of the size? That's utter rubbish. The 5/3 weapon layout was one of the things that made the Scimitar unique, and it doesn't even have that anymore.
"Gimme T6 Defiant, now!"
* gets handed a T6 Defiant
"Not good enough! Waaaa! Gimme better T6 Defiant, now!"
Same thing that was said in all the GalX threads...
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You are also Very Funny, those People asked for a "T6 Defiant" but got a "T6 Garbage" instead, should we Celebrate and break out in Happynes now?? Fact is ESSPECIALLY if you ask and wait for a new Version of such a ICONIC Ship like forever, and than after all that waiting you get served such uterly underpowered "thing" that feels like a Major Slap in the Face, but not a Slap with a Hand but a Slap with a 40 Tons heavy Truck in the Face, well yea than NO ONE should be surprised that People Rage about this Insult.
Like i posted several times before, even with ALL the Flaws, all the things that the Defiant should have / be, and that it dont have / is not, i could overlook and ignore (in pain) all of those *****IF*****IF they at least gave it the 5 /2 Weapons Layout and made the Quad Cannons Part of the Set (boosting the Quads Damage) NOTHING MORE and i would buy the whole Bundle and still be Happy, and i think many more would do the same, we dont ask for too much, just a FEW tiny Whistles and Bells, compared to the SHITLOAD of Whistles and Bells that for example the Phantom and Pilot escorts and even most other Escorts have, so how is that unreasonable? Where are we asking for too much?
In the end, Today will be remembered as the day, where an Iconic Ship was given to the Playerbase that they were waiting for Eternity BUT with NOTHING on it that they asked for, a NAKED poor little excuse for an Iconic Ship, that looks worse than everything else that is allready in the Game
A Sad Day for all True Star Trek Fans that are playing this Game, and even a sader day for all who were waiting for SOMETHING and got NOTHING.
Can anyone tell me how much the console passive is, and how long to reload is? How much damage is the torp console?
I'm not sure how long it takes to get from 1 to full (6), but the console is unique in that it can be fired as soon as even one torpedo is loaded, so you won't have to wait as long as other consoles make you.
According to the blog: "The Kor Class comes with its own unique costume. In addition it can use the B’rel and Koloth costumes for free, and it can use the B’Rotlh costume if that starship is owned."
I bought this BoP specifically so I could finally have the B'RotIh skin. It is still not available even though I own the B'RotIh, which I bought for the promise of using its skin for my B'Rel.
It does indeed have a quantum console, when it should be photon.
It cannot use the T1.5 skin as advertised, and whose console it uses in its set.
Much like with all B'rels, the extra engine glow from full impulse still shows up BEHIND the ship, showing up in empty space instead of added to the actual engine.
The B'rel model was still not updated. It has two out of three of its engines SHOULDN'T EXIST, its "nacelles" (actually cannons) are improperly modeled, and the yellow portion of its over/under engine system doesn't exist... and those are just the glaringly obvious inaccuracies.
I'm going to assume because it's KDF these problems will continue not being fixed, despite the fact the Defiant got a complete remodel it didn't need, and ITS torpedo console changed to the proper type before it even launched (which haha, jokes on the KDF, is the REASON it's wrong on the Kor in the first place) .
Well let's conclude from the community reactions on Reddit, Facebook and the Forum it is the Disappointment Bundle!
What a pity, such a missed opportunity for the T6 Defiant and the B'rel. The most iconic escorts in the Game.
I love how some people say 'feds dont get battle cloak' like a broken record player mantra........then like cut to a period of time later a change will be made and lo and behold the first fed ship with battle cloak. For everything there is a first time, even in STO.
Keep telling yourselves that. How would you like word words prepared for you, baked or fried.
I certainly hope not. Battlecloak is one of the few things that differentiates factions. Feds get most things as it is, so leaving a few things to the Klingons and Romulans is a nice way to keep some differences between the factions' playstyles.
You mean like carriers, they can change the rules whenever they like and how they want it.
It has never been said better than that roflmao.
Although I kinda got super excited they were coming out but then it was like waking up on christmas morning with the christmas tree on fire.
So, out of interest - since I won't be able to log into the game itself for a few hours - could anyone possibly advise if the bundle receives a 'weekend Zen discount'?
According to the blog: "The Kor Class comes with its own unique costume. In addition it can use the B’rel and Koloth costumes for free, and it can use the B’Rotlh costume if that starship is owned."
I bought this BoP specifically so I could finally have the B'RotIh skin. It is still not available even though I own the B'RotIh, which I bought for the promise of using its skin for my B'Rel.
LOL Ever since the fleet b'rel came out that costume never worked for it. There just comes a point when you ignore your players to the point where nothing works and they don't want what you make at all its self destruction. They just have held onto a mentality that they are the only star trek mmo and that ppl have to do as they say if they want to play. Moving on let your poodle out and stuff we don't care lol.
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
People are making such a fuss over it having a 4/3 weapon layout. You guys do realise that the console is basicly an extra weapon, right?
How are the suppose to know that from speculation on the forums?
But whether it actually is that or not is debatable. We can count it as such, I guess, but of course it's torpedo only and has a low rate of fire (6 can be fired at once, but it's a 20 second recharge rate per torp.) Still, it's neat, and the spike damage potential cannot be ignored IMO. P
In the end, the real problem in my opinion is that the Pilot Escorts set a bar that's simply too high. (I think either the damage immunity from maneuvers or the 5/2 layout was a mistake.)
The Tier 6 Akira might have its carrier functions, but ultimately it's also inferior since pets do so little, and the Advanced Escort is really in the same position. The Defiant is awesome because it's the Defiant (and the Sao Paulo), now with access to Tier 6 features.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
There were some unreasonable expectations that were not met, my own included. Nonetheless I gave it a fair bit of consideration when it came time to decide whether to get this ship pack. As of yet, I have not decided to do so.
I don't think 5/2 weapons and pilot maneuvers was the doom of the Valiant. To me, the BOFF layout for the Valiant and Kor were quite appealing. There were some bad points about them, and some good points. But for me, I just can't find myself getting out of the pilot ship, or even a T5U defiant, for this.
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, fact is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
with the sheer amount of whistles and bells that all the other Escorts have over this one (Pilot, Phantom, KUMARI and so on) its only natural that we would like a tiny portion of those Whistles and Bells for this BRAND New Ship too!
so i still defend my position:
1. 5 /2 Weapons Layout
2. Making the Quad Cannons part of the Set with enhanced Damage output for the Quads (more base damage and crtd crth)
Those 2 things, JUST those 2 things compared to ALL the stuff that the other ships have, is NOT to much to ask for, THIS would make the Valiant somewhat usefull, and competitive to the other ships, and it would give people a reason to spend Money on it! If you cant see that, thats your problem, not mine.
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, face is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
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Ooo, name-calling. Last time I checked, I've posted a fair amount of criticism, especially when it comes to Republic content.
Two things. First off, your chips analogy is a little off. What many players are demanding is that they get that second, cooler-looking bag of chips with the bag of chips they're holding. And then when they open their own bag of chips, they're angry that it contains... chips. Chips were advertised, chips should have been expected. And we were given many examples previously of what kind of chips we'd be given.
Second, part of the reason the T6 Defiant is what it is, is entirely responsive to player feedback. The forums errupted with all types of anger, when players were convinced that T6 was going to be replacing T5 - power creep, invalidation of our previous purchases, etc. This is despite the Devs saying that T6 wasn't going to replace, or be overtly better than, T5. And now that T6 is being shown to in fact not be a big source of power creep, players are demanding that their favourite T6 ship be more powerful than the T5, or even other T6s.
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, face is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
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Ooo, name-calling. Last time I checked, I've posted a fair amount of criticism, especially when it comes to Republic content.
Two things. First off, your chips analogy is a little off. What many players are demanding is that they get that second, cooler-looking bag of chips with the bag of chips they're holding. And then when they open their own bag of chips, they're angry that it contains... chips. Chips were advertised, chips should have been expected. And we were given many examples previously of what kind of chips we'd be given.
Second, part of the reason the T6 Defiant is what it is, is entirely responsive to player feedback. The forums errupted with all types of anger, when players were convinced that T6 was going to be replacing T5 - power creep, invalidation of our previous purchases, etc. This is despite the Devs saying that T6 wasn't going to replace, or be overtly better than, T5. And now that T6 is being shown to in fact not be a big source of power creep, players are demanding that their favourite T6 ship be more powerful than the T5, or even other T6s.
Allright lets "modify" the Chips analogy a little bit, we have Chips with Cheese, Bacon and Sour Cream Flavour, the Cheese and Bacon Chips are all satisfying, nothing to complain. Now People got the ALL new IMPROVED Sour Cream Chips that also comes in a new Shiny Bag, people buy it now just to find that its the same old CHIPS with just a few more chips in the bag NOTHING MORE, while in the Cheese and Bacon Chips Bags there is 50% more Chips and those are Crispier! Yet still all 3 Flavours cost the same???
So now the People who bought or wanted to buy the Sour Cream Chips are -WITH ALL RIGHTS - not so happy, and ask for a little bit MORE Chips? People like you now step forward and Defend this Sillynes by saying, "well if you want MOARR of those Chips, than you have to buy the ones with Cheese and Bacon Flavour!" the thing is......WE WOULD LIKE TO USE WHAT WE LIKE, without having such a Devastating Disadvantage?.....but i gues you will still see no Point in those words right? because you have what you want, or maybe you are not Interested, so you dont give a DAMN about what others ask for, not Sellfish at all......
Devs saying T6 will not replace T5s yada yada...Devs said MUCH, but MUCH of what they said have CHANGED anyway, and T6ses are more and more Replacing the T5s, so its WAY to late to step back now! You cant CRAMP all the SUPER DUPER Shinys in allready existing ships, and than say"ups that was too much, lets make the next ship look like TRIBBLE, to balance that out" and in this case that "Victim" was one of the MOST Iconic Ship, the DEFIANT, that SO Many People - INCLUDING ME - were Waiting for, JUST to be Dissapointed so BADLY that it hurts and is not even Funny anymore.
Also, i dont see ANYONE HERE, not a SINGLE Post that says MAKE the Defiant more Powerfull than all the other Escorts, can you show me where? which Post? No? CAUSE NO SUCH THING, people are only asking to give that DAMN thing SOMETHING cause right now it has NOTHING, at least NOTHING compared to basically EVERY other Escort, its a NAKED Ship! Give it some clothes to wear! if you know what i mean...but i dont think so.
we are STUPID you are SMART, we were WRONG you were RIGHT
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, face is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
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Ooo, name-calling. Last time I checked, I've posted a fair amount of criticism, especially when it comes to Republic content.
Two things. First off, your chips analogy is a little off. What many players are demanding is that they get that second, cooler-looking bag of chips with the bag of chips they're holding. And then when they open their own bag of chips, they're angry that it contains... chips. Chips were advertised, chips should have been expected. And we were given many examples previously of what kind of chips we'd be given.
Second, part of the reason the T6 Defiant is what it is, is entirely responsive to player feedback. The forums errupted with all types of anger, when players were convinced that T6 was going to be replacing T5 - power creep, invalidation of our previous purchases, etc. This is despite the Devs saying that T6 wasn't going to replace, or be overtly better than, T5. And now that T6 is being shown to in fact not be a big source of power creep, players are demanding that their favourite T6 ship be more powerful than the T5, or even other T6s.
Allright lets "modify" the Chips analogy a little bit, we have Chips with Cheese, Bacon and Sour Cream Flavour, the Cheese and Bacon Chips are all satisfying, nothing to complain. Now People got the ALL new IMPROVED Sour Cream Chips that also comes in a new Shiny Bag, people buy it now just to find that its the same old CHIPS with just a few more chips in the bag NOTHING MORE, while in the Cheese and Bacon Chips Bags there is 50% more Chips and those are Crispier! Yet still all 3 Flavours cost the same???
So now the People who bought or wanted to buy the Sour Cream Chips are -WITH ALL RIGHTS - not so happy, and ask for a little bit MORE Chips? People like you now step forward and Defend this Sillynes by saying, "well if you want MOARR of those Chips, than you have to buy the ones with Cheese and Bacon Flavour!" the thing is......WE WOULD LIKE TO USE WHAT WE LIKE, without having such a Devastating Disadvantage?.....but i gues you will still see no Point in those words right? because you have what you want, or maybe you are not Interested, so you dont give a DAMN about what others ask for, not Sellfish at all......
Devs saying T6 will not replace T5s yada yada...Devs said MUCH, but MUCH of what they said have CHANGED anyway, and T6ses are more and more Replacing the T5s, so its WAY to late to step back now! You cant CRAMP all the SUPER DUPER Shinys in allready existing ships, and than say"ups that was too much, lets make the next ship look like TRIBBLE, to balance that out" and in this case that "Victim" was one of the MOST Iconic Ship, the DEFIANT, that SO Many People - INCLUDING ME - were Waiting for, JUST to be Dissapointed so BADLY that it hurts and is not even Funny anymore.
Also, i dont see ANYONE HERE, not a SINGLE Post that says MAKE the Defiant more Powerfull than all the other Escorts, can you show me where? which Post? No? CAUSE NO SUCH THING, people are only asking to give that DAMN thing SOMETHING cause right now it has NOTHING, at least NOTHING compared to basically EVERY other Escort, its a NAKED Ship! Give it some clothes to wear! if you know what i mean...but i dont think so.
we are STUPID you are SMART, we were WRONG you were RIGHT
Your chip analogy is still off the mark. Cryptic didn't mislead anyone, suggesting that the T6 Defiant was going to be anything more than it is. Players had unrealistic expectations, and are unhappy the ship didn't measure up to their dreams.
The chips come in a new shiny bag, but at no point did they say the chips were going to be anything drastically better than the original chips. And for months, each variety of chip they gave new packaging to was only given a small change.
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They released the Stats and i was like why?......WTF is this? A bad joke??? People were like asking for this New Defiant like forever and sharing their Ideas and wishes, now they brought that new Defiant and basically IGNORED ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING that the Playerbase was asking for.......and against all the NAY NAY NAY sayers, against all the White Knights who defend everything no matter how clear it is that its TRIBBLE, NO ONE was asking for a SUPER DUPER ULTIMA Overpowered Deathstar Defiant that Vaporizes everything with one shoot!
We wanted a TRUE Upgrade, something that can compete with the other Escorts in Game, something that is WORTH our Money and WORTH switching from other Ships to this one, we dont wanted ALL just SOME.....yea understood, Pilot Maneuvers are for Pilot Ships, Intel and Command Abilitys for those Ships roger that, BUT asking for something like a 5 / 2 Weapons Layout is IN NO WAY Unreasonable, by ALL RIGHTS the Defiant SHOULD have at least a Integrated Cloaking Device, both the Defiant and the Galaxy X were the ONLY Federation Ships in the Show who had them Build in PERMANENTLY, SO NO NO NO it was not to much asked.
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What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, face is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
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Ooo, name-calling. Last time I checked, I've posted a fair amount of criticism, especially when it comes to Republic content.
Two things. First off, your chips analogy is a little off. What many players are demanding is that they get that second, cooler-looking bag of chips with the bag of chips they're holding. And then when they open their own bag of chips, they're angry that it contains... chips. Chips were advertised, chips should have been expected. And we were given many examples previously of what kind of chips we'd be given.
Second, part of the reason the T6 Defiant is what it is, is entirely responsive to player feedback. The forums errupted with all types of anger, when players were convinced that T6 was going to be replacing T5 - power creep, invalidation of our previous purchases, etc. This is despite the Devs saying that T6 wasn't going to replace, or be overtly better than, T5. And now that T6 is being shown to in fact not be a big source of power creep, players are demanding that their favourite T6 ship be more powerful than the T5, or even other T6s.
Allright lets "modify" the Chips analogy a little bit, we have Chips with Cheese, Bacon and Sour Cream Flavour, the Cheese and Bacon Chips are all satisfying, nothing to complain. Now People got the ALL new IMPROVED Sour Cream Chips that also comes in a new Shiny Bag, people buy it now just to find that its the same old CHIPS with just a few more chips in the bag NOTHING MORE, while in the Cheese and Bacon Chips Bags there is 50% more Chips and those are Crispier! Yet still all 3 Flavours cost the same???
So now the People who bought or wanted to buy the Sour Cream Chips are -WITH ALL RIGHTS - not so happy, and ask for a little bit MORE Chips? People like you now step forward and Defend this Sillynes by saying, "well if you want MOARR of those Chips, than you have to buy the ones with Cheese and Bacon Flavour!" the thing is......WE WOULD LIKE TO USE WHAT WE LIKE, without having such a Devastating Disadvantage?.....but i gues you will still see no Point in those words right? because you have what you want, or maybe you are not Interested, so you dont give a DAMN about what others ask for, not Sellfish at all......
Devs saying T6 will not replace T5s yada yada...Devs said MUCH, but MUCH of what they said have CHANGED anyway, and T6ses are more and more Replacing the T5s, so its WAY to late to step back now! You cant CRAMP all the SUPER DUPER Shinys in allready existing ships, and than say"ups that was too much, lets make the next ship look like TRIBBLE, to balance that out" and in this case that "Victim" was one of the MOST Iconic Ship, the DEFIANT, that SO Many People - INCLUDING ME - were Waiting for, JUST to be Dissapointed so BADLY that it hurts and is not even Funny anymore.
Also, i dont see ANYONE HERE, not a SINGLE Post that says MAKE the Defiant more Powerfull than all the other Escorts, can you show me where? which Post? No? CAUSE NO SUCH THING, people are only asking to give that DAMN thing SOMETHING cause right now it has NOTHING, at least NOTHING compared to basically EVERY other Escort, its a NAKED Ship! Give it some clothes to wear! if you know what i mean...but i dont think so.
we are STUPID you are SMART, we were WRONG you were RIGHT
Your chip analogy is still off the mark. Cryptic didn't mislead anyone, suggesting that the T6 Defiant was going to be anything more than it is. Players had unrealistic expectations, and are unhappy the ship didn't measure up to their dreams.
The chips come in a new shiny bag, but at no point did they say the chips were going to be anything drastically better than the original chips. And for months, each variety of chip they gave new packaging to was only given a small change.
you did or did not read what i wrote, but you definately did not understood anything at all.
When there is a tremendous amount of People complaining about this, HERE on the Forum, on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and so on, than YEA there IS something wrong, and just because a few White Knights like you say otherwise will not change that fact, deal with it, its WRONG, i say it and the MAJORITY says it,
If you are happy, good for you, than there is not even a reason for you to be here, you have what you want, so move on, but WE ARE NOT HAPPY, with GOOD REASONS. The Defiant could be THE HITSELLER bar NONE, but they decided to turn it into Garbage and cut their Sales down. Anyway, not going to argue with someone as blinded as you anymore.
Your chip analogy is still off the mark. Cryptic didn't mislead anyone, suggesting that the T6 Defiant was going to be anything more than it is. Players had unrealistic expectations, and are unhappy the ship didn't measure up to their dreams.
The chips come in a new shiny bag, but at no point did they say the chips were going to be anything drastically better than the original chips. And for months, each variety of chip they gave new packaging to was only given a small change.
People argued for over a year what a T6 Defiant would look like. Frequently people would point out that the Phantom basically was the T6 Defiant. When we finally do get the T6 Defiant, it's basically a watered down Phantom with most of it's features stripped away and nothing, absolutely nothing to show for it except a healthier HP pool.
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If I missed a similar proposal I apologies in advanced. The bitter disappointment about the T6 Defiants Stats seems to overlap in regards to the Role this fine ship should preform. As of today one may conclude that the stats are mediocre and besides the nice costume where is nothing to go for this ship.
How about changing the the ship stats to a equivalent of a Fed heavy Raider, like it was already done with the Aquarius which is an equivalent of a Raider called a light Escort. Yes yes I know but let me further elaborate. In the TV show the Defiant preformed many task a BoP would preform in the Empire and one could consider that in regards to the Game Mechanics the Role of Heavy Raider is suitable to the Defiant.
So take a look at my Proposal of a T6 C-Store version for example.
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So how do you feel or think about this proposal?
I would have gone for 4 shooters to be part of a set, with the 3pc bonus making the cloak a battlecloak. The BOFF posts are fine as they posted, not one station below Lt is a welcome sight. turn rate could be 19 without any undue harm. And the starship trait really should have helped CSV AND CRF. 5/1 weapons sounds about right, even 5/2.
Not that any ideas you or I have matters at this point though.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Mat'Ha_Raptor
The Mat'Ha is a heavy escort that has emphasis on offense and defense while sacrificing mobility. It's front loaded, with a boff layout that has emphasis on defense.
Well I have to disagree on the Overpowered Points, actually the Herald Baltim Heavy Raider is even more powerful.
It has 42k Hull, 0.95 shield mod without sacrificing a Boff or a Boff power and it even has 2 lt.Commander Uni. The Hull and shield mod proposed are balanced in Regards to the Baltim Heavy Raider. Because if you want to have Cloak on the Defiant you need to sacrifice a Console Slot and hence why I only suggest the 25% not 33% Flanking Bonus Dmg as a additional sacrifice. To be frank I personally think the Kor should get a boost, cause even considering the Enhanced Battle Cloak it is still underpowered. If the T6 Defiant should become a Raider it must obey the Rules of the Class, like having 6 Weapon stations in total.
I'm not going to be forced to join someone's fleet and quit playing the game my way, and pay you even more cash money, to get the "real" version of ships that cost 50+ bucks to begin with
In that case, I'm more inclined to agree. Honestly I don't want so much to see them keep the Valiant down, as it is about that I don't want it to have any unduly decisive advantages over and above the Kor. The KDF pays too much of a penalty as it is for having its onboard cloak, which other than on birds of prey, is NOT battlecloak.
As to the Baltim, all too true. I suppose it's a good thing that it's a lobi ship, so it truly is a matter of opening enough boxes for the lobi inside before you get one. I despise the lottery ships and the other two are simply that. I suppose they have to be better than the faction ships, so as to attract people to buy keys to pop those herald boxes.
"Gimme T6 Defiant, now!"
* gets handed a T6 Defiant
"Not good enough! Waaaa! Gimme better T6 Defiant, now!"
Same thing that was said in all the GalX threads...
CM
And some people want to eat bananas and when they get only the skin they eat it anyways just because the banana was there many years ago. Grow some courage, no one is crying, people are staying facts $30 for a ship that is under geared? Gimme a break. Waaaaaah Waaaaah people are complaining.
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
5000 for the bundle, 2500 each
You are also Very Funny, those People asked for a "T6 Defiant" but got a "T6 Garbage" instead, should we Celebrate and break out in Happynes now?? Fact is ESSPECIALLY if you ask and wait for a new Version of such a ICONIC Ship like forever, and than after all that waiting you get served such uterly underpowered "thing" that feels like a Major Slap in the Face, but not a Slap with a Hand but a Slap with a 40 Tons heavy Truck in the Face, well yea than NO ONE should be surprised that People Rage about this Insult.
Like i posted several times before, even with ALL the Flaws, all the things that the Defiant should have / be, and that it dont have / is not, i could overlook and ignore (in pain) all of those *****IF*****IF they at least gave it the 5 /2 Weapons Layout and made the Quad Cannons Part of the Set (boosting the Quads Damage) NOTHING MORE and i would buy the whole Bundle and still be Happy, and i think many more would do the same, we dont ask for too much, just a FEW tiny Whistles and Bells, compared to the SHITLOAD of Whistles and Bells that for example the Phantom and Pilot escorts and even most other Escorts have, so how is that unreasonable? Where are we asking for too much?
In the end, Today will be remembered as the day, where an Iconic Ship was given to the Playerbase that they were waiting for Eternity BUT with NOTHING on it that they asked for, a NAKED poor little excuse for an Iconic Ship, that looks worse than everything else that is allready in the Game
A Sad Day for all True Star Trek Fans that are playing this Game, and even a sader day for all who were waiting for SOMETHING and got NOTHING.
To Quote someone who got it right:
I'm not sure how long it takes to get from 1 to full (6), but the console is unique in that it can be fired as soon as even one torpedo is loaded, so you won't have to wait as long as other consoles make you.
I bought this BoP specifically so I could finally have the B'RotIh skin. It is still not available even though I own the B'RotIh, which I bought for the promise of using its skin for my B'Rel.
Member since December 2009
It does indeed have a quantum console, when it should be photon.
It cannot use the T1.5 skin as advertised, and whose console it uses in its set.
Much like with all B'rels, the extra engine glow from full impulse still shows up BEHIND the ship, showing up in empty space instead of added to the actual engine.
The B'rel model was still not updated. It has two out of three of its engines SHOULDN'T EXIST, its "nacelles" (actually cannons) are improperly modeled, and the yellow portion of its over/under engine system doesn't exist... and those are just the glaringly obvious inaccuracies.
I'm going to assume because it's KDF these problems will continue not being fixed, despite the fact the Defiant got a complete remodel it didn't need, and ITS torpedo console changed to the proper type before it even launched (which haha, jokes on the KDF, is the REASON it's wrong on the Kor in the first place) .
What a pity, such a missed opportunity for the T6 Defiant and the B'rel. The most iconic escorts in the Game.
It has never been said better than that roflmao.
Although I kinda got super excited they were coming out but then it was like waking up on christmas morning with the christmas tree on fire.
Sounds like you bought one, can you please provide the stats on the console? Recharge time of each torp, damage output, passive strength?
Screen shot on console description would be great if you can.
Much obliged
The bundle costs 5000 Zen right now.
http://forum.arcgames.com/startrekonline/discussion/1207013/3-things-you-may-want-to-know-about-the-defiant-valiant-torpedo-console#latest
LOL Ever since the fleet b'rel came out that costume never worked for it. There just comes a point when you ignore your players to the point where nothing works and they don't want what you make at all its self destruction. They just have held onto a mentality that they are the only star trek mmo and that ppl have to do as they say if they want to play. Moving on let your poodle out and stuff we don't care lol.
What you're asking for is unreasonable. T6 isn't a "true upgrade" - it never has been, and likely won't be for a long time. T6 is nothing more than an incremental update over the T5s, which is exactly what the Devs said before Delta Rising even came out. If T6 was a true upgrade, then we'd be complaining about power creep.
In the Defiant's case, making the cloak suddenly integrated or making a big change to weapon or console layouts would be too large of a difference than the previous T6 upgrades have been.
That also goes for adding in any measure of integrated Pilot abilities beyond the boff skills, enchancing the cloak to anything more than a bare minimum, or making it in any way a big difference over the T5 version. This is the way that all of the T6 upgrades have been so far, including the other two hero-type ships that were re-released - the Galaxy and the Intrepid.
But whether it actually is that or not is debatable. We can count it as such, I guess, but of course it's torpedo only and has a low rate of fire (6 can be fired at once, but it's a 20 second recharge rate per torp.) Still, it's neat, and the spike damage potential cannot be ignored IMO. P
In the end, the real problem in my opinion is that the Pilot Escorts set a bar that's simply too high. (I think either the damage immunity from maneuvers or the 5/2 layout was a mistake.)
The Tier 6 Akira might have its carrier functions, but ultimately it's also inferior since pets do so little, and the Advanced Escort is really in the same position. The Defiant is awesome because it's the Defiant (and the Sao Paulo), now with access to Tier 6 features.
I don't think 5/2 weapons and pilot maneuvers was the doom of the Valiant. To me, the BOFF layout for the Valiant and Kor were quite appealing. There were some bad points about them, and some good points. But for me, I just can't find myself getting out of the pilot ship, or even a T5U defiant, for this.
Hello there Mr Whiteknight. NO its NOT Unreasonable, NOT at all.
NONE of what you say matters, fact is Pricetag is the same as all other T6 Escorts, while it has NOTHING compared to those other Escorts, it even looks worse compared to some T5s! like in my case the Kumaris that also have the 5 / 2 Weapon Layout.
Its like you buy a Bag of Chips, only to find out that the Bag is EMPTY! But i gues that the like of you would even defend that, by saying, HEY! at least you got the Bag! O_o
And NO saying it has to be like this because thats how all T6ses are treated does not make it ANY better, and THATS the reason we complain here.
with the sheer amount of whistles and bells that all the other Escorts have over this one (Pilot, Phantom, KUMARI and so on) its only natural that we would like a tiny portion of those Whistles and Bells for this BRAND New Ship too!
so i still defend my position:
1. 5 /2 Weapons Layout
2. Making the Quad Cannons part of the Set with enhanced Damage output for the Quads (more base damage and crtd crth)
Those 2 things, JUST those 2 things compared to ALL the stuff that the other ships have, is NOT to much to ask for, THIS would make the Valiant somewhat usefull, and competitive to the other ships, and it would give people a reason to spend Money on it! If you cant see that, thats your problem, not mine.
Ooo, name-calling. Last time I checked, I've posted a fair amount of criticism, especially when it comes to Republic content.
Two things. First off, your chips analogy is a little off. What many players are demanding is that they get that second, cooler-looking bag of chips with the bag of chips they're holding. And then when they open their own bag of chips, they're angry that it contains... chips. Chips were advertised, chips should have been expected. And we were given many examples previously of what kind of chips we'd be given.
Second, part of the reason the T6 Defiant is what it is, is entirely responsive to player feedback. The forums errupted with all types of anger, when players were convinced that T6 was going to be replacing T5 - power creep, invalidation of our previous purchases, etc. This is despite the Devs saying that T6 wasn't going to replace, or be overtly better than, T5. And now that T6 is being shown to in fact not be a big source of power creep, players are demanding that their favourite T6 ship be more powerful than the T5, or even other T6s.
Allright lets "modify" the Chips analogy a little bit, we have Chips with Cheese, Bacon and Sour Cream Flavour, the Cheese and Bacon Chips are all satisfying, nothing to complain. Now People got the ALL new IMPROVED Sour Cream Chips that also comes in a new Shiny Bag, people buy it now just to find that its the same old CHIPS with just a few more chips in the bag NOTHING MORE, while in the Cheese and Bacon Chips Bags there is 50% more Chips and those are Crispier! Yet still all 3 Flavours cost the same???
So now the People who bought or wanted to buy the Sour Cream Chips are -WITH ALL RIGHTS - not so happy, and ask for a little bit MORE Chips? People like you now step forward and Defend this Sillynes by saying, "well if you want MOARR of those Chips, than you have to buy the ones with Cheese and Bacon Flavour!" the thing is......WE WOULD LIKE TO USE WHAT WE LIKE, without having such a Devastating Disadvantage?.....but i gues you will still see no Point in those words right? because you have what you want, or maybe you are not Interested, so you dont give a DAMN about what others ask for, not Sellfish at all......
Devs saying T6 will not replace T5s yada yada...Devs said MUCH, but MUCH of what they said have CHANGED anyway, and T6ses are more and more Replacing the T5s, so its WAY to late to step back now! You cant CRAMP all the SUPER DUPER Shinys in allready existing ships, and than say"ups that was too much, lets make the next ship look like TRIBBLE, to balance that out" and in this case that "Victim" was one of the MOST Iconic Ship, the DEFIANT, that SO Many People - INCLUDING ME - were Waiting for, JUST to be Dissapointed so BADLY that it hurts and is not even Funny anymore.
Also, i dont see ANYONE HERE, not a SINGLE Post that says MAKE the Defiant more Powerfull than all the other Escorts, can you show me where? which Post? No? CAUSE NO SUCH THING, people are only asking to give that DAMN thing SOMETHING cause right now it has NOTHING, at least NOTHING compared to basically EVERY other Escort, its a NAKED Ship! Give it some clothes to wear! if you know what i mean...but i dont think so.
we are STUPID you are SMART, we were WRONG you were RIGHT
Your chip analogy is still off the mark. Cryptic didn't mislead anyone, suggesting that the T6 Defiant was going to be anything more than it is. Players had unrealistic expectations, and are unhappy the ship didn't measure up to their dreams.
The chips come in a new shiny bag, but at no point did they say the chips were going to be anything drastically better than the original chips. And for months, each variety of chip they gave new packaging to was only given a small change.
you did or did not read what i wrote, but you definately did not understood anything at all.
When there is a tremendous amount of People complaining about this, HERE on the Forum, on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and so on, than YEA there IS something wrong, and just because a few White Knights like you say otherwise will not change that fact, deal with it, its WRONG, i say it and the MAJORITY says it,
If you are happy, good for you, than there is not even a reason for you to be here, you have what you want, so move on, but WE ARE NOT HAPPY, with GOOD REASONS. The Defiant could be THE HITSELLER bar NONE, but they decided to turn it into Garbage and cut their Sales down. Anyway, not going to argue with someone as blinded as you anymore.
GOOD DAY SIR!
People argued for over a year what a T6 Defiant would look like. Frequently people would point out that the Phantom basically was the T6 Defiant. When we finally do get the T6 Defiant, it's basically a watered down Phantom with most of it's features stripped away and nothing, absolutely nothing to show for it except a healthier HP pool.