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Defiant Bundle Stats

We’re excited to reveal the stats, items and abilities for three new Tier 6 starships: the Valiant Class Tactical Escort, the Kor Bird-of-Prey and the Malem Light Warbird. All three of these ships come equipped with a special console and can unlock a new starship trait at level 5 Starship Mastery. Below are the stats for these new Tier 6 starships and their fleet variants that will be released at the same time as the standard Tier 6 versions.

You can check out the full stats here

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  • rangerryurangerryu Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    Well that pretty much confirms my purchase for the Valiant.Looking forward to properly trying an escort out! Also I'll have the Tier 6 versions for all the "Hero" ships that can have them
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Well that pretty much cans my purchase of the T6 Defiant.

    PEW PEW Pilot escorts still win over.

    The pilot maneuvers and the 5/2 layout is what I was hoping for but never mind.

    I am so gutted tbh but oh well :-(
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Looks at my kitted out Fleet Phantom, looks at the Valiant stats and decides I am good for now..
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  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,449 Arc User
    Looks good to me actually. I'd still love to see some Hegh'ta love, but good things come to those who wait they say. Maybe you guys can release the Hegh'ta as an Intel Bird of Prey. I'd like that quite a bit.

    Pilot makes perfect sense for this variety of ships, especially looking at how Jadzia used to handle the Defiant. Even those Red Squad punks made her namesake pull some sweet maneuvers...until their confidence evaporated like dry ice on a hot day.

    Everything looks pretty much as expected. Well done.
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  • jonathanlonehawkjonathanlonehawk Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    What is that HUGE beam coming out of the Valiant in the first screenshot? It makes it look like the valiant has a Phaser Lance like the Phantom. Can we use the Phantom's console, cause that would be a first...
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  • gameversemangameverseman Member Posts: 1,110 Arc User
    B'rel KDF Players are not gonna like this.... Even with a T6 refit the B'rel or the "Kor" BoP is STILL under-powered compared their alleged equivocal counterparts. Yet the T6 B'rel is still tactically insufficient compared to the other two. Still only 2 aft weapons and STILL no 5th Tac console. Sure, it has all uni slots as the original did, but with all the new bells and whistles added to this game with hybrid seating, Starship traits, etc etc it's still under-powered. I mean typically B'rels, due to how squishy they are, are used tactically. Yet they can't effectively do that compared to, let's say, the T6 T'varo which is STILL superior to both the Defiant AND the B'rel. Enhanced Battle Cloak (over that of the questionable basic cloak of the Defiant which, again, DOESN'T EVEN COME WITH THE SHIP), Destabilized plasma torpedo, Plasma Warhead module, 3 aft weapons (compared to the B'rel's 2), and, to top it off, 5 tactical consoles (over the B'rel's 4). Sure, the T6 T'varo might be worth the money (If you're not a vet and bought the T5 version), but the other two ships... Why did you even bother Cryptic? smh
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  • h4ihuih4ihui Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    why dont include the quad cannons in the set to. cannons, plus cloack plus the warhead.
  • vivenneanthonyvivenneanthony Member Posts: 1,278 Arc User
    I honestly think everyone gets the short end of the stick with this one!
  • alphahydrialphahydri Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    What is that HUGE beam coming out of the Valiant in the first screenshot? It makes it look like the valiant has a Phaser Lance like the Phantom. Can we use the Phantom's console, cause that would be a first...
    It's just a normal Phaser Beam Array.

    If it was the Phantom's Phaser Lance, the beam would be coming from the front center of the ship, i.e. the deflector, and the beam itself would be much thicker that it is in that photo.

  • hanover2hanover2 Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    No integrated cloak. :(
    C-store version has 4 Tac console slots. :(
    Do I even want to know how much more fleet holding grind will be necessary to unlock this? I already went through that once with the T5 Fleet Defiant, bought it with modules, and I still had to pay more to upgrade it.

    I don't know, man. This may no longer be an automatic, no-brainer purchase for me.
  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,439 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    Whilst the Bridge Officer seating is a definite improvement over the T5 counterparts, there just isn't enough here to make me want to buy these. The Malem is definitely the best looking of the ships but the Valiant really should have had the Cloak built-in by now.
    Sorry Cryptic, it looks like I won't be buying these at this time.
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  • stoesllstoesll Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    its nice to see the change from photon to quantum warheads although that never bugged me much. The obsolete 4/3 layout bugs me far more....5/3 or 5/2 is no unicum to the pilot ships if I remember correctly (avenger/arbiter for example). Im not that deep in dps science but I would like to see a 5/2 and perhaps a reunion with my beloved quad cannons from days of yore. As it is now I really cant decide whether its a tac pilot ship, arbiter or the valiant. Had high hopes for the valiant.
    Btw why 2p set for kling/fed but 3p set for rom? Put in the quad dis/phaser/plas and every faction might be fine
  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    i am surprised the quad cannons aren't put in with a set bonus as well....

    also surprised...or maybe not with the fact they don't get the pilot maneuvers like the pilot ships do, wanted to barrel roll a defiant....

    so guess what, no sale..ill stick with the pilot ships I already have since they actually have all the bells and whistles I was looking for.
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  • cassiusdiocassiusdio Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    I am happy they did not give integrated cloak to the defiant...at least one key feature of roms keeps being rom-only. All in all i really like it, the defiant sounds like a nice pew pew ship and i like its quantum torp now :)
  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    cassiusdio wrote: »
    I am happy they did not give integrated cloak to the defiant...at least one key feature of roms keeps being rom-only. All in all i really like it, the defiant sounds like a nice pew pew ship and i like its quantum torp now :)


    You're mistaking standard "integrated cloaking" with the "battle cloak". Two different things

  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited November 2015
    I was quite looking forward to this set but sadly the fact that none of them include the pilot manoeuvres, when arguably they are the best candidates for that feature, has ended my interest in these ships. ​​
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  • alphahydrialphahydri Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    B'rel KDF Players are not gonna like this.... Even with a T6 refit the B'rel or the "Kor" BoP is STILL under-powered compared their alleged equivocal counterparts. Yet the T6 B'rel is still tactically insufficient compared to the other two. Still only 2 aft weapons and STILL no 5th Tac console. Sure, it has all uni slots as the original did, but with all the new bells and whistles added to this game with hybrid seating, Starship traits, etc etc it's still under-powered. I mean typically B'rels, due to how squishy they are, are used tactically. Yet they can't effectively do that compared to, let's say, the T6 T'varo which is STILL superior to both the Defiant AND the B'rel. Enhanced Battle Cloak (over that of the questionable basic cloak of the Defiant which, again, DOESN'T EVEN COME WITH THE SHIP), Destabilized plasma torpedo, Plasma Warhead module, 3 aft weapons (compared to the B'rel's 2), and, to top it off, 5 tactical consoles (over the B'rel's 4). Sure, the T6 T'varo might be worth the money (If you're not a vet and bought the T5 version), but the other two ships... Why did you even bother Cryptic? smh

    If by "equivocal counterparts" you're referring to the Valiant and the Malem and not other KDF BoPs, then yes, of course Kor is "underpowered". The Valiant is an Escort, the Malem is a Warbird with aspects of Escorts and Raiders put together, and the Kor is a Raider.

    These ships are not in the same starship family, but they are being sold together. It's the same thing that happened with the last 3-pack, where the Yamato and the Kara were basically Cruiser-type vessels, while the Kolasi is technically classified as a Destroyer. They stats weren't identical because the ships weren't of the same base starship type, and the same thing is happening now.

    Compared to the Malem and Valiant, the Kor does appear weaker, but compared to other ships of its type, Raiders, it is a very good ship. The Kor is not "under-powered", it's just being compared to and listed with ships that aren't like it. Don't be fooled into thinking the ship is gimped or something because of the way Cryptic has decided to market it.

    Personally, I'm beyond excited for this. I've been waiting for a T6 BoP for a long time, and my Rom and Fed mains have the Defiant and T'varo on their rosters. Can't wait!
  • stoesllstoesll Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    I was quite looking forward to this set but sadly the fact that none of them include the pilot manoeuvres, when arguably they are the best candidates for that feature, has ended my interest in these ships. ​​

    pilot maneuvers can stay with pilot ships as can battle cloak but as said before standard cloak might be nice without a cloak
  • B'rel KDF Players are not gonna like this.... Even with a T6 refit the B'rel or the "Kor" BoP is STILL under-powered compared their alleged equivocal counterparts. Yet the T6 B'rel is still tactically insufficient compared to the other two. Still only 2 aft weapons and STILL no 5th Tac console. Sure, it has all uni slots as the original did, but with all the new bells and whistles added to this game with hybrid seating, Starship traits, etc etc it's still under-powered. I mean typically B'rels, due to how squishy they are, are used tactically. Yet they can't effectively do that compared to, let's say, the T6 T'varo which is STILL superior to both the Defiant AND the B'rel. Enhanced Battle Cloak (over that of the questionable basic cloak of the Defiant which, again, DOESN'T EVEN COME WITH THE SHIP), Destabilized plasma torpedo, Plasma Warhead module, 3 aft weapons (compared to the B'rel's 2), and, to top it off, 5 tactical consoles (over the B'rel's 4). Sure, the T6 T'varo might be worth the money (If you're not a vet and bought the T5 version), but the other two ships... Why did you even bother Cryptic? smh

    damnit man i was looking forward to the t6 bops, now you had to say this and made me think too much
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  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited November 2015
    The Defiant is better than I expected. That's possibly the best they could have done with its Boff layout.

    I'm slightly disappointed they didn't use this chance to bump BoPs a little but well, that was a long shot anyway.


    What enrages me though is that now, apparently, KDF gets a quantum torp console instead of the photon one because of some people whining the Defiant should get a quantum one. Seriously, thank you very much! Giving them both photons would make more sense overall.
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  • bunansabunansa Member Posts: 928 Arc User
    stoesll wrote: »
    I was quite looking forward to this set but sadly the fact that none of them include the pilot manoeuvres, when arguably they are the best candidates for that feature, has ended my interest in these ships. ​​

    pilot maneuvers can stay with pilot ships as can battle cloak but as said before standard cloak might be nice without a cloak

    May I ask why? The ships are the same size and come with pilot boff seating...logic dictates that it should follow that they also go the pilot maneuvers...

    But as I mentioned above, not spending my money since I cant barrel roll a Defiant. Oh and no 3 piece bonus for using quad cannons...you know the other item the ships come with
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,934 Arc User
    B'rel KDF Players are not gonna like this.... Even with a T6 refit the B'rel or the "Kor" BoP is STILL under-powered compared their alleged equivocal counterparts. Yet the T6 B'rel is still tactically insufficient compared to the other two. Still only 2 aft weapons and STILL no 5th Tac console. Sure, it has all uni slots as the original did, but with all the new bells and whistles added to this game with hybrid seating, Starship traits, etc etc it's still under-powered. I mean typically B'rels, due to how squishy they are, are used tactically. Yet they can't effectively do that compared to, let's say, the T6 T'varo which is STILL superior to both the Defiant AND the B'rel. Enhanced Battle Cloak (over that of the questionable basic cloak of the Defiant which, again, DOESN'T EVEN COME WITH THE SHIP), Destabilized plasma torpedo, Plasma Warhead module, 3 aft weapons (compared to the B'rel's 2), and, to top it off, 5 tactical consoles (over the B'rel's 4). Sure, the T6 T'varo might be worth the money (If you're not a vet and bought the T5 version), but the other two ships... Why did you even bother Cryptic? smh
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  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    The fact that the Fleet T6 Defiant can be purchased from the Exchange for 70 million EC is why it won't be allowed to compete with Pilot Escorts, let alone Lobi or Lockbox ships. It's quite silly. Fleet Modules cost more from the store than keys, but keys cost more on the exchange than modules. The optimal way to get modules is to buy keys, sell keys, and buy the modules.

    In essence, a Fleet Valiant costs half as much as a Pilot Escort, although it's bound to only one character.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    The Defiant stats are good. I like the seating. Not far off from what I'm using now. So my crew can easily move right into the ship. I will consider it for a future purchase.

    The Romulan, meh. My Romulan loves her D'Deridex so you can't get her out of that ship.

    The BoP. The seating I expected that since the others are like that. So my crew can easily move into that as well. I know you get the flanking bonus so I can see why they didn't add a 3rd rear weapon. Since you need to move to place. I'm not impressed with the looks. Still I'm glad to see the BoP come out. We needed one badly. Its no K'Vort, but I will consider it for a future purchase.
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  • stoesllstoesll Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    bunansa wrote: »
    stoesll wrote: »
    I was quite looking forward to this set but sadly the fact that none of them include the pilot manoeuvres, when arguably they are the best candidates for that feature, has ended my interest in these ships. ​​

    pilot maneuvers can stay with pilot ships as can battle cloak but as said before standard cloak might be nice without a cloak

    May I ask why? The ships are the same size and come with pilot boff seating...logic dictates that it should follow that they also go the pilot maneuvers...

    But as I mentioned above, not spending my money since I cant barrel roll a Defiant. Oh and no 3 piece bonus for using quad cannons...you know the other item the ships come with

    it is very likely that im wrong but arent the pilot ships even smaller than a defiant? Only the size of a 5 man heavy fighter?
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    B'rel KDF Players are not gonna like this.... Even with a T6 refit the B'rel or the "Kor" BoP is STILL under-powered compared their alleged equivocal counterparts. Yet the T6 B'rel is still tactically insufficient compared to the other two. Still only 2 aft weapons and STILL no 5th Tac console. Sure, it has all uni slots as the original did, but with all the new bells and whistles added to this game with hybrid seating, Starship traits, etc etc it's still under-powered. I mean typically B'rels, due to how squishy they are, are used tactically. Yet they can't effectively do that compared to, let's say, the T6 T'varo which is STILL superior to both the Defiant AND the B'rel. Enhanced Battle Cloak (over that of the questionable basic cloak of the Defiant which, again, DOESN'T EVEN COME WITH THE SHIP), Destabilized plasma torpedo, Plasma Warhead module, 3 aft weapons (compared to the B'rel's 2), and, to top it off, 5 tactical consoles (over the B'rel's 4). Sure, the T6 T'varo might be worth the money (If you're not a vet and bought the T5 version), but the other two ships... Why did you even bother Cryptic? smh

    Speak for yourself mate, several of the differences you're complaining about are because the B'rel is a Raider not an Escort. 4/2 layout has been the standard for raiders at T5 since the games launch, personally I would have preferred if they'd made it the same 5/1 the herald raider has but I didn't expect it to happen. The lack of a 5th tac console is again a shame but guess what, its hardly a deal breaker and BoP's with their fragile hulls can still make use of a 4th engi console, you know assuming you're not just chasing the top of the third party DPS charts.
  • alphahydrialphahydri Member Posts: 391 Arc User
    stoesll wrote: »
    bunansa wrote: »
    stoesll wrote: »
    I was quite looking forward to this set but sadly the fact that none of them include the pilot manoeuvres, when arguably they are the best candidates for that feature, has ended my interest in these ships. ​​

    pilot maneuvers can stay with pilot ships as can battle cloak but as said before standard cloak might be nice without a cloak

    May I ask why? The ships are the same size and come with pilot boff seating...logic dictates that it should follow that they also go the pilot maneuvers...

    But as I mentioned above, not spending my money since I cant barrel roll a Defiant. Oh and no 3 piece bonus for using quad cannons...you know the other item the ships come with

    it is very likely that im wrong but arent the pilot ships even smaller than a defiant? Only the size of a 5 man heavy fighter?

    It depends on the which faction's Pilot ships you're talking about. The Starfleet Pilot Escorts are actually larger than the Defiant, while the KDF Pilot Raptors are around the size of a Bird-of-Prey. Not sure about the Pilot Warbirds since I haven't really used them much.

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  • wrathofachilleswrathofachilles Member Posts: 937 Arc User
    I don't mind that the defiant has to add a cloaking console for it to be able to cloak, that's canon after all. Though the devs are real fond of saying "These aren't t6 re-do's of t5 ships, it's a totally new ship we are gracious enough to let you use old skins on." Which we all know is just lip service trying not to admit the epic fail crytpic had thinking they could leave iconic ships behind at t5 and have all cryptic-original ships populate t6. But anyway, if this ship really is a brand new ship that we can simply use old skins on, it should indeed have an integrated cloak this far into the future of the defiant's design lineage, but I understand the devs are like "Well then what the eff do we do with these old cloaking consoles?"

    All that aside, what's REALLY stupid is giving it a 2pc bonus of a quicker cloaking cool down when the cloak it has, even with a console, is not a battle cloak. By the time the defiant leaves combat/red alert finally goes off, the normal cloak should be ready to come back up anyway. The t6 defiant should have the special ability (like the vesta or ody's innate enhanced slipstream) that equipping the cloak console to it gives it a battle cloak, or perhaps on top of decreasing cloak cool down it gives battle cloak, or perhaps the fed 2pc is battle cloak, klingon 2pc is reduced cloaking cool down and romulan is... well, whatever all that mess is... it appears to have two separate 2pc bonuses? But yeah, then the feds would have the slowest recast battle cloak, klingons second fastest and romulans would have the fastest. Seems in line to me.
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