im very pleased to hear the console becomes quantum! good one cryptic! (another way would be to let the console switch, whatever basic- launcher type is used* - if none is used, its standard quantum, photon, plasma faction tubes)
*so if a grav torp is used its photon, if neutronic is used its quantum.
<Insert Klingon and Romulan complaints about not having access to quantum torpedoes in 3...2...1... >
I've never seen Klingons or Romulans using quantum torpedoes in the show, Klingons always used photons, though sometimes they were green photons for some reason. Romulans generally used plasma, but on occasion used photons as well. I play Klingons and Romulans far more than anything else, and I'm pretty well satisfied how things are.
All these quantum vs. photon rants will pale in comparison with the rage of people seeing the stats of the Valiant (with what I've seen people expecting of a T6 Defiant, not even Scimitar or pilot escort stats would do).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
<Insert Klingon and Romulan complaints about not having access to quantum torpedoes in 3...2...1... >
.....0 (crickets chriping) Nope, no complaints here, at least not from me. Though it's not beyond the possibility that Klingons and Romulans could have quantum torpedoes, and 3 other basic types for that matter, I now see a distinct type of torpedo for all these 3 and I am glad. This just makes it more not less likely that I'm getting one. Add to the fact that they are starting to listen to us, and not just blow us off with none more than a middle finger for our trouble. First the Hestias ensign universal, now the Q-torps for the Valiant! This may be a better day to play.
Well done Cryptic, we appreciate the change. Maintaining proper flavor is critical around here.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
All these quantum vs. photon rants will pale in comparison with the rage of people seeing the stats of the Valiant (with what I've seen people expecting of a T6 Defiant, not even Scimitar or pilot escort stats would do).
Oh yeah - there is going to be some rage, regardless - those players who have posted things like (and I quote):
"The Defiant is a WARSHIP"
or
"It should have a 5/3 weapons layout and integrated cloak
and of course
"it NEEDS pilot maneouvers"
were never going to happy with this ship.
Rubbish, you can replicate the canon loadout with 1 quad cannon, 2 forward quantum torpedo tubes, 1 360 arc phaser array, and 2 aft torpedo tubes. If I can do that and have decent boff seating, I'll be happy.
The Scimitar though is severely undergunned compared to its onscreen counterpart. :P Although, it would probably break the game if it had 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo tubes.
All these quantum vs. photon rants will pale in comparison with the rage of people seeing the stats of the Valiant (with what I've seen people expecting of a T6 Defiant, not even Scimitar or pilot escort stats would do).
Oh yeah - there is going to be some rage, regardless - those players who have posted things like (and I quote):
"The Defiant is a WARSHIP"
or
"It should have a 5/3 weapons layout and integrated cloak
and of course
"it NEEDS pilot maneouvers"
were never going to happy with this ship.
Rubbish, you can replicate the canon loadout with 1 quad cannon, 2 forward quantum torpedo tubes, 1 360 arc phaser array, and 2 aft torpedo tubes. If I can do that and have decent boff seating, I'll be happy.
The Scimitar though is severely undergunned compared to its onscreen counterpart. :P Although, it would probably break the game if it had 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo tubes.
In the game, it wouldn't have 52 disruptor banks and 27 torp launchers. They'd be BFAWing around with 79 disruptor beam arrays!
You will definitely have to pay zen. No official announcement on that yet, but the neighborhood of 3000 zen for one ship, 6000 for the bundle, would be a safe bet.
All these quantum vs. photon rants will pale in comparison with the rage of people seeing the stats of the Valiant (with what I've seen people expecting of a T6 Defiant, not even Scimitar or pilot escort stats would do).
Oh yeah - there is going to be some rage, regardless - those players who have posted things like (and I quote):
"The Defiant is a WARSHIP"
or
"It should have a 5/3 weapons layout and integrated cloak
and of course
"it NEEDS pilot maneouvers"
were never going to happy with this ship.
You have to admit, though, Pilot Maneuvers would be an excellent touch for such a maneuverable craft.
Shame it won't have one, but...
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Ok - next idea that will make most readers rage - why not make the console shot torpedos the same type the ship has installed (or random choice of multiple type instaled/ completly random when no torp launchers installed) ?
Edit:
About that overarmed Scimitar - what type of reactor would power all the weapons?
I haven't read through the entire thread but I hope others have pointed out the obscene amount of humor in the first ship being remodeled in the post-war era of exploration and peace being a warship...
Not like, the Luna class or something but the cannon with nacelles regardless glad it's getting a remodel!
Ok - next idea that will make most readers rage - why not make the console shot torpedos the same type the ship has installed (or random choice of multiple type instaled/ completly random when no torp launchers installed) ?
Edit:
About that overarmed Scimitar - what type of reactor would power all the weapons?
Probably a singularity core that was powerful enough to power a total of 79 weapons.
I haven't read through the entire thread but I hope others have pointed out the obscene amount of humor in the first ship being remodeled in the post-war era of exploration and peace being a warship...
Not like, the Luna class or something but the cannon with nacelles regardless glad it's getting a remodel!
Not as far as I remember, but... yeah, it is an interesting thing.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Strange..
"can be equipped on any Tactical Escort."
"can only be equipped on Tier 5 or greater Birds-of-Prey."
"can only be equipped on Tier 5 or greater T’varo Warbird variants."
I am guessing they feel the console is too powerful to let us equip it on T1 ships? (poor T'Iiss and B'Rotlh)
I am guessing by "Birds-of-Prey" we are talking about the B'rel BoP family (B'rel, B'Rotlh, Koloth).
Will the Norgh, QulDun or Ki'tang BoP families ever get any love? If not, any chance the consoles could be "merged" into set? Set bonuses have been kinda lacking KDF side.
Well to start with, those kind of restriction doesn't make sense because you have to be of a rank high enough to unlock the T5-6 store ships and therefore get the special consoles from them.
Holy Flying COW, they have Listened to us and are Changing from Photon to Quantums?! Iam IMPRESSED and have to say THANKS! Thanks Cryptic for not Closing your Eyes and not Ignoring us this Time! I have faith in Humanity again (well a little bit ) this change brought me much closer to buy the whole Bundle, now only the Stats / Layout is left......
1. My personal Wish List would be 5/2 Weapons Layout (for a Dedicited Warhip not to much to ask for?)
2. Getting RID of the Cloak Console and having it Integrated like on the Intel Ships, and NO not asking for Battle Cloak just Non Battle Cloak but PLEASE without that Useless Console.
3. Not making the initial Mistake with the Hestia by giving it THREE Tactical Stations PLEASE DONT, a Commander Tac, Lt Commander Tac or LtCom Tac Hybrid something, and maybe a LtCom Eng / Sci or better Universal.
NO also not asking for the Pilot Ships Dodging Maneuvers, cause i know that those have to have something Special for them, Dodging Maneuvers for Pilot Ships, Intel Abilitys for Intel Ships, and the Command Abilitys for the Command Ships, so they can keep those, other than that those few things that i have suggested are DEFINATELY not to much to ask for, and i am absolutely sure that the Majority of People would agree AND Love that, THIS would be a TRUE Succesor to the underpowered T5 Defiant that we have right now, and THIS would Reflect the ICONIC *Tough Little* HERO Ship that most of us know and Love from the Show.
So again THANK YOU SO MUCH for Listening about the Photon / Quantum Issue. Now make the rest RIGHT, to make us "unworthy" Players Happy Please, Regards and THANKS.
I agree 100% that it's high time a Defiant received an integrated cloak. You could sell it with the same number of console slots as the T5-FU Defiant, and it would still amount to the gain of one slot.
I agree 100% that it's high time a Defiant received an integrated cloak. You could sell it with the same number of console slots as the T5-FU Defiant, and it would still amount to the gain of one slot.
Someone from Germany here, so English is not my Native Language but thx for showing me my Mistake Fixed it, better now?
I'm interested, heavily, in this grouping. I hope that these ships get an Intel seat, because it would really fit with the whole natural concept of the B'Rel Retro and the T'Varo Retro. I'm also looking forward to the trait on these ships, as I have a very high tendency to lean to ships that feature a cannon loadout. 4/3 isn't as bad to me as it seems to others, though with many of the weapon sets taking up two forward slots I can understand the grievances of escort operators. I tend to run big guns forward, turrets and an omni aft, so I can stack up my offensive firepower. However, I doubt they will change the weapon loadout to 5/2 from 4/3, because it breaks with the history of the designs.
The one thing I would really like to see for the T'Varo, is not a change to the stats, but an upgrade of the model. I want to be able to customize my T'Varo more than just which costume I use and which paint pattern I opt for. I would love to put the T'Varo nacelles on the T'Liss straight-wing hull, for example. The B'Rel and Defiant have customization improvements, but the T'Varo was short-sticked on that one. Please, fix this error, I truly dislike being unable to customize my ships.
Granted, I'm also an old-schooler who would love to see a T6 D-7 Battlecruiser.. the iconic image of the Klingon Battlecruiser from the original series and many of the original movies.
I'm interested, heavily, in this grouping. I hope that these ships get an Intel seat, because it would really fit with the whole natural concept of the B'Rel Retro and the T'Varo Retro. I'm also looking forward to the trait on these ships, as I have a very high tendency to lean to ships that feature a cannon loadout. 4/3 isn't as bad to me as it seems to others, though with many of the weapon sets taking up two forward slots I can understand the grievances of escort operators. I tend to run big guns forward, turrets and an omni aft, so I can stack up my offensive firepower. However, I doubt they will change the weapon loadout to 5/2 from 4/3, because it breaks with the history of the designs.
The one thing I would really like to see for the T'Varo, is not a change to the stats, but an upgrade of the model. I want to be able to customize my T'Varo more than just which costume I use and which paint pattern I opt for. I would love to put the T'Varo nacelles on the T'Liss straight-wing hull, for example. The B'Rel and Defiant have customization improvements, but the T'Varo was short-sticked on that one. Please, fix this error, I truly dislike being unable to customize my ships.
Granted, I'm also an old-schooler who would love to see a T6 D-7 Battlecruiser.. the iconic image of the Klingon Battlecruiser from the original series and many of the original movies.
While most People expect a Pilot Seating, i would be Fine with Pilot OR Intel (my personal Favourite is Intel) as long as they dont come up with the Idea to Slap COMMAND on those Ships, because that would be a SLAP in our Faces, a Painfull Slap.
And breaking with the Historical Designs.....things change in Time, look at all the New Shiny Escorts (esspecially Pilots) they set a new Standard that is so high, that Upgrades of older Ships HAVE to change those Designs to compete with the allready Existing ones, and a Dedicited Heavy Hitter Warship like the Defiant should also be part of that high standard, so a 5 /2 Weapons Layout would fit the Defiant more than any other Ship.
Isnt pilot Maneuvers just a gimmick, does it really do anything for survivability or attacking?
Yes, and yes, if you use it properly. I use it mainly to extend an attack run, hard reverse to give myself another four or five kms of keeping my target in my sights. If I'm advancing at half throttle, it recharges fast enough that I can usually keep a target in my forward arc until it's dead.
Right and left roll is also useful for similar reasons, to either keep a turning ship in front of me, or to duck out of a potential broadside back to the aft quarter of my target. It's good for 'dodging' a torpedo spread that's about to hit, dashing out of an exploding ship's range or out of an imminent AOE (like targetable torps that you can't otherwise kill. In an emergency, it can buy you the five or so seconds you need to deal with them.)
As for Cryptic, let me put it this way: if they gave the Defiant/B'rel T6 pilot maneuvers, the purchase of the full pack would be an absolute no-brainer for me on that and looks alone. I'm not that fussy about photons vs quantums (although the change is appreciated), and I can live with the cloak as a console. As far as 5/2 vs 4/3, I'd prefer 5/2, but could live with 4/3, and I don't care _that_ much about the boff seating. I mean, I care, but I'd adapt to what I was given.
But without the maneuvers, I'm better off sticking with the pilot ships for that role, my Arbiter, or my Kumari. The Defiant _is_ a jack of all trades, but doesn't really bring anything to the table those three can't do as well or better in their own ways.
It really pisses me off to no end the dunderheads asking for integrated cloak. Please comprehend "3 pc set synergy" Just because the kdf always loose out to set synergies doesnt mean everyone else has to suffer.
Look at past trends from this year, all fed ships that have a line already use all the previous versions consoles as a set. The Yamato uses the Gal-X cloak in its set, so probability states the defiant will use it too. Also its makes perfect canical sense for the feds not to have inbuilt cloaks, forget the intel ships those are an aboration.
Please forget about it, if you need an inbuilt cloak go be a romulan, youd be more happy.
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*so if a grav torp is used its photon, if neutronic is used its quantum.
Sweet, not sure why they didn't do that in the first place, but as long as they fix it in the end that's what counts. I'm glad they listened.
Probably.
I've never seen Klingons or Romulans using quantum torpedoes in the show, Klingons always used photons, though sometimes they were green photons for some reason. Romulans generally used plasma, but on occasion used photons as well. I play Klingons and Romulans far more than anything else, and I'm pretty well satisfied how things are.
I have zen in hand right now.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
.....0 (crickets chriping) Nope, no complaints here, at least not from me. Though it's not beyond the possibility that Klingons and Romulans could have quantum torpedoes, and 3 other basic types for that matter, I now see a distinct type of torpedo for all these 3 and I am glad. This just makes it more not less likely that I'm getting one. Add to the fact that they are starting to listen to us, and not just blow us off with none more than a middle finger for our trouble. First the Hestias ensign universal, now the Q-torps for the Valiant! This may be a better day to play.
Rubbish, you can replicate the canon loadout with 1 quad cannon, 2 forward quantum torpedo tubes, 1 360 arc phaser array, and 2 aft torpedo tubes. If I can do that and have decent boff seating, I'll be happy.
The Scimitar though is severely undergunned compared to its onscreen counterpart. :P Although, it would probably break the game if it had 52 disruptor banks and 27 torpedo tubes.
In the game, it wouldn't have 52 disruptor banks and 27 torp launchers. They'd be BFAWing around with 79 disruptor beam arrays!
What lag? The game would come to a crashing halt, emphasis on crash, even worse than what happens on kemo-torp spreads!
Speaking of kemo-torp spreads, any word on a fix?
You have to admit, though, Pilot Maneuvers would be an excellent touch for such a maneuverable craft.
Shame it won't have one, but...
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Unlike battle cloak.....
my fleet leader is very deadly in a pilot ship,plus you can boost your way out of warp core breaches and other AOE attacks.
Edit:
About that overarmed Scimitar - what type of reactor would power all the weapons?
Not like, the Luna class or something but the cannon with nacelles
Probably a singularity core that was powerful enough to power a total of 79 weapons.
Not as far as I remember, but... yeah, it is an interesting thing.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
1. My personal Wish List would be 5/2 Weapons Layout (for a Dedicited Warhip not to much to ask for?)
2. Getting RID of the Cloak Console and having it Integrated like on the Intel Ships, and NO not asking for Battle Cloak just Non Battle Cloak but PLEASE without that Useless Console.
3. Not making the initial Mistake with the Hestia by giving it THREE Tactical Stations PLEASE DONT, a Commander Tac, Lt Commander Tac or LtCom Tac Hybrid something, and maybe a LtCom Eng / Sci or better Universal.
NO also not asking for the Pilot Ships Dodging Maneuvers, cause i know that those have to have something Special for them, Dodging Maneuvers for Pilot Ships, Intel Abilitys for Intel Ships, and the Command Abilitys for the Command Ships, so they can keep those, other than that those few things that i have suggested are DEFINATELY not to much to ask for, and i am absolutely sure that the Majority of People would agree AND Love that, THIS would be a TRUE Succesor to the underpowered T5 Defiant that we have right now, and THIS would Reflect the ICONIC *Tough Little* HERO Ship that most of us know and Love from the Show.
So again THANK YOU SO MUCH for Listening about the Photon / Quantum Issue. Now make the rest RIGHT, to make us "unworthy" Players Happy Please, Regards and THANKS.
Fixed all CLOACKS to CLOAKS
I agree 100% that it's high time a Defiant received an integrated cloak. You could sell it with the same number of console slots as the T5-FU Defiant, and it would still amount to the gain of one slot.
Someone from Germany here, so English is not my Native Language but thx for showing me my Mistake Fixed it, better now?
The one thing I would really like to see for the T'Varo, is not a change to the stats, but an upgrade of the model. I want to be able to customize my T'Varo more than just which costume I use and which paint pattern I opt for. I would love to put the T'Varo nacelles on the T'Liss straight-wing hull, for example. The B'Rel and Defiant have customization improvements, but the T'Varo was short-sticked on that one. Please, fix this error, I truly dislike being unable to customize my ships.
Granted, I'm also an old-schooler who would love to see a T6 D-7 Battlecruiser.. the iconic image of the Klingon Battlecruiser from the original series and many of the original movies.
While most People expect a Pilot Seating, i would be Fine with Pilot OR Intel (my personal Favourite is Intel) as long as they dont come up with the Idea to Slap COMMAND on those Ships, because that would be a SLAP in our Faces, a Painfull Slap.
And breaking with the Historical Designs.....things change in Time, look at all the New Shiny Escorts (esspecially Pilots) they set a new Standard that is so high, that Upgrades of older Ships HAVE to change those Designs to compete with the allready Existing ones, and a Dedicited Heavy Hitter Warship like the Defiant should also be part of that high standard, so a 5 /2 Weapons Layout would fit the Defiant more than any other Ship.
Yes, and yes, if you use it properly. I use it mainly to extend an attack run, hard reverse to give myself another four or five kms of keeping my target in my sights. If I'm advancing at half throttle, it recharges fast enough that I can usually keep a target in my forward arc until it's dead.
Right and left roll is also useful for similar reasons, to either keep a turning ship in front of me, or to duck out of a potential broadside back to the aft quarter of my target. It's good for 'dodging' a torpedo spread that's about to hit, dashing out of an exploding ship's range or out of an imminent AOE (like targetable torps that you can't otherwise kill. In an emergency, it can buy you the five or so seconds you need to deal with them.)
As for Cryptic, let me put it this way: if they gave the Defiant/B'rel T6 pilot maneuvers, the purchase of the full pack would be an absolute no-brainer for me on that and looks alone. I'm not that fussy about photons vs quantums (although the change is appreciated), and I can live with the cloak as a console. As far as 5/2 vs 4/3, I'd prefer 5/2, but could live with 4/3, and I don't care _that_ much about the boff seating. I mean, I care, but I'd adapt to what I was given.
But without the maneuvers, I'm better off sticking with the pilot ships for that role, my Arbiter, or my Kumari. The Defiant _is_ a jack of all trades, but doesn't really bring anything to the table those three can't do as well or better in their own ways.
Just because the kdf always loose out to set synergies doesnt mean everyone else has to suffer.
Look at past trends from this year, all fed ships that have a line already use all the previous versions consoles as a set. The Yamato uses the Gal-X cloak in its set, so probability states the defiant will use it too. Also its makes perfect canical sense for the feds not to have inbuilt cloaks, forget the intel ships those are an aboration.
Please forget about it, if you need an inbuilt cloak go be a romulan, youd be more happy.
It grants a brief damage immunity. Not too bad if you use it when you're in trouble.