I am curious about the trait. It will extend the duration of your CSV by 4 seconds. Doesn't CSV just upgrade your next attack only, unlike CRF which lasts for the duration?
"I'm not big on telepaths myself. I'm not big on guns either. But if everyone else has them, I want to make sure I can get my hands on the biggest one I can."
To the comments regarding the Tactical Escort using Photons, the USS Defiant used Photons on the USS Lakota, so the Defiant is compatible for both Quantum and Photon torpedoes and other torpedo weapons.
Therefore: The Tactical Escort can use ANY kind of Torpedo, even Photons, as they're compatible for it.
Based on canon, yes, there was no such thing as a quantum tube or a photon tube, they were warheads that could be launched out of any torpedo tube, but since for some weird reason STO made that up, and the module seems to be specific on what type of torpedo it launches, that type should be the type most commonly used by the ship in question, which in the case of the Defiant should be quantums.
I'd like to see a console and weapon's revamp myself. To start, build each weapon like we can build kits. So you can take a MKXII Torpedo/tube and then slot whatever warhead you want. So for instance, I have the Regent (Assault Cruiser Refit) so the Wide Arc Torpedo Launcher is the Tube, and then in that tube I can slot either the normal Quantum, or a Gravimetric Photon if I like.
Something like that would make more sense than what we have now. What we have now makes as much sense as having to swap main gun barrels on tanks to fire AP rounds or HE rounds, when all they really have to do is chamber the type of round they want.
"Oh no, guys, we have to engage infantry and we're fitted with the AP barrel. Someone has to go outside the tank and unscrew it and TRIBBLE in the HE barrel!" The upside is we have an infinite amount of whichever type of ammo the tube is fitted for, so there's that I guess.
Thanks.
Well beams and cannons are one thing, they're fully integrated systems. You can't really turn a shipboard cannon into a rail gun on the fly. You can however load a different torpedo or missile.
Based on canon, yes, there was no such thing as a quantum tube or a photon tube, they were warheads that could be launched out of any torpedo tube, but since for some weird reason STO made that up, and the module seems to be specific on what type of torpedo it launches, that type should be the type most commonly used by the ship in question, which in the case of the Defiant should be quantums.
Yes and no. From what I understand, a tube that could fire a quantum torpedo could fire a photon, but not vice versa. Probably something to do with tube / launcher mechanisms that are reinforced for the heavier payload, but are backwards compatible. A tube built for photon warheads would need modifications for accepting new types of torpedos. Case in point, the Defiant was stated to have state of the art weaponry, including the tubes. And I believe Voyager's tubes needed to be on-the-fly modified to accept the handful of different torp types they toyed with along the way.
It could be a variety of things. Even something as simple as updated ways the avionics communicates with the targetting computer.
It's fascinating, while on the Enterprise-E and the Defiant class they were specifically called Quantum Torpedo Tubes, the Voyager was able to fire Transphasics, which are presumably far more advanced with minimal modification. Furthermore, the Galaxy class' Burst fire tubes could fire ten Photons at once, which would seem to make a single Quantum trivial by comparison.
Imagine that, the Galaxy with a Burst Fire Torpedo launcher with basically innate Torp Spread with Photons.
I expected the warhead module to be something for a nebula class.
Yeah indeed. And I hope to see a T6 Nebula class someday.
Great job on the new defiant skin. I just hope the boff seating will be adequate.
And yes, that console should shoot quantums.
It dawns on me that in my eyes, as far as design lineage, the Akira has always fit in to me as the Sovereign generation's Nebula. Or the Luna class.
Constitution-Miranda
Excelsior-Centaur
Galaxy-Nebula
Sovereign-Akira/Luna
The first three all share similar if not the same Saucer and Nacelles, with the smaller class having a smaller, nonexistent, or integrated stardrive section, and the nacelles under-slung.
I imagine nowadays we'd be looking at a version that would apply to the Odyssey class. Put the nacelles at the end of the dual neck struts maybe?
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Shouldn't the Defiant be equiped with a Quantum Warhead?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
What is with the trait? It doesn't match the ship. Why is the trait for cannons and not about torps. These are primarily torp boats, the trait and console should reflect that
Because lets face it, cannons needed this more than torps.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I've been waiting on these, but the stats will determine if I upgrade from my current T5-U's.
I am expecting Pilot specialist seats somewhere in the boff layout, but the nimbleness of these ships on-screen suggest they should also have pilot abilities...
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Been looking forward to this announcement for a long time. You got me tentatively hooked.....the stats memo will decide for me its fate.
But like everyone else, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change the console to quantum for the defiant I beg of you.....PLEEEEEEEASE. My fed is flying the defiant right now with quantums.
Edit for cryptic: Fyi, been looking to buy the T6 defiant, have my zen ready, and so far it seems great. I have T4 and T5 so im eager to make the set complete, i hope that going to be the reasonable conclusion we've been expecting. I love your torpedo console concept, sound like a torpedo shotgun. But please, have the console reach the reasonable conclusion also, have it be quantum oriented instead.
Would be nice if since the bundle is cross faction if the consoles could be cross faction as well letting you use whatever fit your build but limit them to 1 per ship so you couldnt equip them all. Simply making them claimable via the reclaim store would work.
The Command Cruisers all use a Phaser console so don't get your hopes up. (Not sure why a Romulan, or a Klingon, would use pansy-phasers...)
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the defiant should get quantums. not photons. i know its because of the terran set, but since the terran is photon/DIS it really doesnt fit the defiant sooner or later (because dis will make the qudcannons in vain)
so please change the warhead to using
QUANTUm
so the defiant can be setup with the new mission phaser/quantum set, while the brel gets photon/dis+terran set
all those little things matter. you are willingsly and purposely destryoing possible builds and weponloadouts, and i really dont see why you are harming sales on purpose.
a defiant dependant from photon sets will either not profit from full photon dmg, or loose the phaser focus for the quads.
as a sidenote: im surprised the terran set isnt giving phaser+photon to the fed, like the bioneural was giving faction specific dmg types+photon.
so either you give the terran set a phaser+photon fed variant
or you change the warhead of the defiant to quantums so we can outfit the new mission set with the phasers.
or even better: just make the warhead use the torps that are used?!
id prefer giving the defiant a quantum launcher, cause, yeah shes using quantum when she fires dual torps. (she also can launch photons, but those go from the standard front/aft launchers!)
the dual launchers are menat to be rapid quantums ...
and yeah the trait is dumb. a trait raising travel speed for normal projectiles would have been much more nice. or a trait that counters range_dmg loss for cannons or sth.
Shouldn't the Defiant be equiped with a Quantum Warhead?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
If they change it, it will be little more than changing the damage type, they're not going to change how the power actually works.
the damage type is important though. because havingh it photon will mean it wont profit the sets quantum boost you get with phasers. the dmg type is what we want to be changed!!!
so fed can use phaser+quantum set from missions
and the kdf uses terran photon/dis set
so both ships end up beeing a) canonically correct and b) having a synergy with current sets available
the defiant using photons wont work. cause the terran set uses photons, BUT dis as energy weapon. but the defiants quadcannons ARE phasers.
i hope this was just a typo on the defiants description ... i really hope it. cause if the defiant ends up using not synergizing photons, im not buining it.
having a canonical t6 defiant, but using dis and photons on her wouldnt mean anything at all.
Shouldn't the Defiant be equiped with a Quantum Warhead?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
If they change it, it will be little more than changing the damage type, they're not going to change how the power actually works.
not sure what your talking about, all i, or better to say WE suggest is changing the Photon for Quantum, because, by all rights its just SILLY, Defiant = QUANTUM, we saw in the Show how shes was firing with her Quad Cannons Followed by QUANTUM Torpedos and not PHOTONS.
Like someone allready mentioned it this would be the Perfect combination with the 3 Piece set of the New Mission Sunrise.
While some may say that this is just a Minor issue, for me its not (and iam sure iam not the only one here) it is annoying enough to be a Deal Breaker.
So again PRETTY PRETTY **with STARS and FLOWERS on it**PRETTY Please Cryptic, just Fix that "Mistake" because thats what it is, a Mistake, THX.
Shouldn't the Defiant be equiped with a Quantum Warhead?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
If they change it, it will be little more than changing the damage type, they're not going to change how the power actually works.
not sure what your talking about, all i, or better to say WE suggest is changing the Photon for Quantum, because, by all rights its just SILLY, Defiant = QUANTUM, we saw in the Show how shes was firing with her Quad Cannons Followed by QUANTUM Torpedos and not PHOTONS.
Like someone allready mentioned it this would be the Perfect combination with the 3 Piece set of the New Mission Sunrise.
While some may say that this is just a Minor issue, for me its not (and iam sure iam not the only one here) it is annoying enough to be a Deal Breaker.
So again PRETTY PRETTY **with STARS and FLOWERS on it**PRETTY Please Cryptic, just Fix that "Mistake" because thats what it is, a Mistake, THX.
What's the diff between Photon and Quantum in STO? Photons reload faster and have higher base DPS. Quantums do more damage per hit than photons but fire a lot less often. IF the devs were to change the damage type, then that aspect of the power would not change. Maybe the art would though...
Shouldn't the Defiant be equiped with a Quantum Warhead?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
If they change it, it will be little more than changing the damage type, they're not going to change how the power actually works.
not sure what your talking about, all i, or better to say WE suggest is changing the Photon for Quantum, because, by all rights its just SILLY, Defiant = QUANTUM, we saw in the Show how shes was firing with her Quad Cannons Followed by QUANTUM Torpedos and not PHOTONS.
Like someone allready mentioned it this would be the Perfect combination with the 3 Piece set of the New Mission Sunrise.
While some may say that this is just a Minor issue, for me its not (and iam sure iam not the only one here) it is annoying enough to be a Deal Breaker.
So again PRETTY PRETTY **with STARS and FLOWERS on it**PRETTY Please Cryptic, just Fix that "Mistake" because thats what it is, a Mistake, THX.
What's the diff between Photon and Quantum in STO? Photons reload faster and have higher base DPS. Quantums do more damage per hit than photons but fire a lot less often. IF the devs were to change the damage type, then that aspect of the power would not change. Maybe the art would though...
I so LOVE it when there is always someone who has to argue, when the topic is Crystal Clear. I dont care to much about the Mechanics behind it, i dont care that Photons Fire Faster with less Damage and Vice Versa (and i know that anyway) its about staying as CANON as Possible to the Show, and NOT changing things randomly, its not like we ask for something that is not in the Game???? We have both Photons and Quantums, and when we think about Defiant Weaponary QUAD Cannons and QUANTUM Torpedos are coming into our Minds, and NOT PHOTONS.
The Defiant being a State of the Art WARSHIP was also using State of the Art Technology including QUANTUMS, and not Photons that are around for Hundreds of years! Many People (or maybe most) are getting such Iconic Ships because they fall in Love with them from the SHOWS, and therefore would like to see those in the Game, the way they were in the SHOWS.
Maybe for you its just another Ships, maybe for you those are just shells, maybe all the Stuff in the Game is basically the same, maybe it also makes no Difference to you what "Color" the Weapon Fires have and so on......but well gues what, for many People, THOSE THINGS MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
Iam sure that no matter how good the Layout of the T6 Defiant will be (or maybe not who knows) that it still will not be 100% on par with the Pilot Ships for example, most of the Non Canon Ships in Game outperform their Canon Counterparts, YET STILL People Love to Fly their Defiants, Prometheuses, Galaxys and so on, so yea for us IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
The warhead module seems to be based on the one from the DS9 tech manual. The entire forward section of the Defiant-class was supposed to detach, where it would be propelled by a miniature impulse engine, armed with a magazine of six photon torpedoes, to the target where it would then detonate. It was a last resort weapon, and doesn't really work as a basis for a new kind of repeat use weapon. It probably would've been better to have finally done something decent with the Defiant's inherent ablative armour instead, and I don't see a good reason why the Romulans and Klingons couldn't use it for their respective ships either.
Meh, it doesn't matter to me, despite having enjoyed the Defiant and T'Varo off and on (abandoned the former for Phantom and the latter for Faeht as well as the Pilot ships for both). But it's good they've finally released what's been leaked for awhile now.
I expect the Valiant will reuse the same cloak console as the Gal-X and Avenger, and just add an alternate 2-3 pc set to it like the Romulan/Reman sets.
I also expect that all of them will have the same general set bonus, which makes it highly unlikely that the Defiant will ever get a Battle Cloak, but will instead buff cannons and torps.
I also expect that the Valiant will either have a similar setup to the Pathfinder or to the Andromeda, and like both of them, will not have any access to ship specialist abilities (like Intel Analysis, Command abilities, or Pilot Maneuvers).
It's nice that the KDF finally get their much awaited BoP as well. No mention of it being able to use the Ning'tao skin though? If not intended, why? The Ning'tao is the one that comes with the quad cannons on the KDF side.
Malem seems to be the only real ship worthwhile to use as a torp boat; RomPlas, EmissionTorp, Red Ball of Death, Plasmatic Biomatter Torp, and the Terran Set sounds tempting. I'm only disappointed it's not a Command ship instead; on the grounds that I could spam Concentrate Firepower and go for eternal HY. Now as long as it can still GW to gather the cattle for the slaughter...
I do kind of agree with the others that it should be a Quantum Torp console; but my reasoning is not due to canonicity, but due to the fact that it's tied to the 3 ships rather than being usable on all other ships, and they'll need every last gimmick advantage vs the newer and superior ships that are out. Now if the Torp console could be used on any Fed (Valiant Console)/KDF (Kor Console)/Romulan (Malem Console) ship, Photons would have been fine (to better synergize with Photon-centric builds like the Armitage or those using GraviTorps). But as ship-locked consoles? May as well make them Quantums.
The warhead module seems to be based on the one from the DS9 tech manual. The entire forward section of the Defiant-class was supposed to detach, where it would be propelled by a miniature impulse engine, armed with a magazine of six photon torpedoes, to the target where it would then detonate. It was a last resort weapon, and doesn't really work as a basis for a new kind of repeat use weapon. It probably would've been better to have finally done something decent with the Defiant's inherent ablative armour instead, and I don't see a good reason why the Romulans and Klingons couldn't use it for their respective ships either.
i know that detachable "nose" Part thingy, but thats not the case here, if they made it like in the Manual, that we can Fire the Defiants "Nose" Section armed with Photons in it, that than will deal some Heavy Damage to the Enemy it would be fine, BUT what we have here is a Console that Fires the Torpedos itself, and as such it should Fire QUANTUMS over totally outdated (by Star Trek Standards)Photons, i repeat myself but thats plain and simple silly.
I was "Prepared" to get the Cross Faction Pack and was waiting since ever they started to "Upgrade" T5s to T6s for a New T6 Defiant, now that they finaly Officially announce those, all i was waiting for was / is the Boff/Console Layout, but this Photon Nonsense bugs me Personaly so badly, that i have to rethink whether i really want that thing or just skip it, and after having waited like forever for this Ship, this is a Shame........
I've been waiting on these, but the stats will determine if I upgrade from my current T5-U's.
I am expecting Pilot specialist seats somewhere in the boff layout, but the nimbleness of these ships on-screen suggest they should also have pilot abilities...
I hadn't thought about that, but now that you mention it. It would be hilarious if it was a Sci/Pilot seat for extra canon, as Jadzia was the Science Officer AND the conn(pilot).
And of course the ship is proven to be ultra maneuverable, even with TRIBBLE cadets behind the wheel.
The warhead module seems to be based on the one from the DS9 tech manual. The entire forward section of the Defiant-class was supposed to detach, where it would be propelled by a miniature impulse engine, armed with a magazine of six photon torpedoes, to the target where it would then detonate. It was a last resort weapon, and doesn't really work as a basis for a new kind of repeat use weapon. It probably would've been better to have finally done something decent with the Defiant's inherent ablative armour instead, and I don't see a good reason why the Romulans and Klingons couldn't use it for their respective ships either.
I don't know how that would work. It's the equivalent of Shon's run with the Aquarius. Logically unless it was transformed into a VATA, using it should disable you from having your Deflector dish.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
This is a great offering, though for me it'll be the stats and capabilities that ultimately decide whether this flies with me. So to speak... erm, type... whatever. Nice Starship Trait, since it leaves C:SV with a 14 sec uptime... really nice.
As to the consoles, I was wondering about the charge rates, etc. and if they'd be comparable to typical torps of their type. Will the Photon torps reload faster than the Plamsas? Will the Plasmas have lower DPV/DPS but apply (up to six in a volley) stacks of plasma DoT? Are we getting a console that can effectively stand in for a projectile weapon slot, or will it have its 6 torps reload over the standard 2 min "clicky" cooldown (or 1 torp every secs)? What will the set bonuses be? Heh, right back to the stats...
We'll see how well all three are balanced for current conditions and work from there.
[EDIT] I wonder if they'll remember to add anything to the T5 B'Rel to make it something worth owning...?
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
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Well beams and cannons are one thing, they're fully integrated systems. You can't really turn a shipboard cannon into a rail gun on the fly. You can however load a different torpedo or missile.
It could be a variety of things. Even something as simple as updated ways the avionics communicates with the targetting computer.
It's fascinating, while on the Enterprise-E and the Defiant class they were specifically called Quantum Torpedo Tubes, the Voyager was able to fire Transphasics, which are presumably far more advanced with minimal modification. Furthermore, the Galaxy class' Burst fire tubes could fire ten Photons at once, which would seem to make a single Quantum trivial by comparison.
Imagine that, the Galaxy with a Burst Fire Torpedo launcher with basically innate Torp Spread with Photons.
It dawns on me that in my eyes, as far as design lineage, the Akira has always fit in to me as the Sovereign generation's Nebula. Or the Luna class.
Constitution-Miranda
Excelsior-Centaur
Galaxy-Nebula
Sovereign-Akira/Luna
The first three all share similar if not the same Saucer and Nacelles, with the smaller class having a smaller, nonexistent, or integrated stardrive section, and the nacelles under-slung.
I imagine nowadays we'd be looking at a version that would apply to the Odyssey class. Put the nacelles at the end of the dual neck struts maybe?
I mean she introduced Quantum Torps.
it should, and thats what we all suggest, and what we hope that cryptic will change it too. I mean most People have not more than 1 Torp on their Escorts (except torp boats) and that 1 Torp is either one of the Shiny Rep Torps OR a Quantum Torpedo....but not a PHOTON one? (not on the Defiant at least) How Silly would it look Firing your Regular Quatum Torpedos and suddenly those are followed by a number of Photons......ermmmm Please Cryptic? Change it? Please? in the Show the Defiant may have fired a Photon here and there from the back.....but other than that it was ALWAYS Quantum Torpedos, so please dont ruin that with this silly decision. Thx
Other than that: The Kor (KDF) has Photon, The Malem (ROM) has Plasma, so the Valiant (FED) REALLY should have Quantum, or else you could also smack that Photon Console on the Malem too no??
Because lets face it, cannons needed this more than torps.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I am expecting Pilot specialist seats somewhere in the boff layout, but the nimbleness of these ships on-screen suggest they should also have pilot abilities...
But like everyone else, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE change the console to quantum for the defiant I beg of you.....PLEEEEEEEASE.
My fed is flying the defiant right now with quantums.
Edit for cryptic: Fyi, been looking to buy the T6 defiant, have my zen ready, and so far it seems great. I have T4 and T5 so im eager to make the set complete, i hope that going to be the reasonable conclusion we've been expecting. I love your torpedo console concept, sound like a torpedo shotgun.
But please, have the console reach the reasonable conclusion also, have it be quantum oriented instead.
Thank you
so please change the warhead to using
QUANTUm
so the defiant can be setup with the new mission phaser/quantum set, while the brel gets photon/dis+terran set
all those little things matter. you are willingsly and purposely destryoing possible builds and weponloadouts, and i really dont see why you are harming sales on purpose.
a defiant dependant from photon sets will either not profit from full photon dmg, or loose the phaser focus for the quads.
as a sidenote: im surprised the terran set isnt giving phaser+photon to the fed, like the bioneural was giving faction specific dmg types+photon.
so either you give the terran set a phaser+photon fed variant
or you change the warhead of the defiant to quantums so we can outfit the new mission set with the phasers.
or even better: just make the warhead use the torps that are used?!
the dual launchers are menat to be rapid quantums ...
and yeah the trait is dumb. a trait raising travel speed for normal projectiles would have been much more nice. or a trait that counters range_dmg loss for cannons or sth.
My character Tsin'xing
so fed can use phaser+quantum set from missions
and the kdf uses terran photon/dis set
so both ships end up beeing a) canonically correct and b) having a synergy with current sets available
the defiant using photons wont work. cause the terran set uses photons, BUT dis as energy weapon. but the defiants quadcannons ARE phasers.
i hope this was just a typo on the defiants description ... i really hope it. cause if the defiant ends up using not synergizing photons, im not buining it.
having a canonical t6 defiant, but using dis and photons on her wouldnt mean anything at all.
not sure what your talking about, all i, or better to say WE suggest is changing the Photon for Quantum, because, by all rights its just SILLY, Defiant = QUANTUM, we saw in the Show how shes was firing with her Quad Cannons Followed by QUANTUM Torpedos and not PHOTONS.
Like someone allready mentioned it this would be the Perfect combination with the 3 Piece set of the New Mission Sunrise.
While some may say that this is just a Minor issue, for me its not (and iam sure iam not the only one here) it is annoying enough to be a Deal Breaker.
So again PRETTY PRETTY **with STARS and FLOWERS on it**PRETTY Please Cryptic, just Fix that "Mistake" because thats what it is, a Mistake, THX.
*spock brow* a bird of prey...
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Usually if they make the statemet now we get the stats on wednesday and released on patch day, so yes, probably it's gonna be thursday.
I so LOVE it when there is always someone who has to argue, when the topic is Crystal Clear. I dont care to much about the Mechanics behind it, i dont care that Photons Fire Faster with less Damage and Vice Versa (and i know that anyway) its about staying as CANON as Possible to the Show, and NOT changing things randomly, its not like we ask for something that is not in the Game???? We have both Photons and Quantums, and when we think about Defiant Weaponary QUAD Cannons and QUANTUM Torpedos are coming into our Minds, and NOT PHOTONS.
The Defiant being a State of the Art WARSHIP was also using State of the Art Technology including QUANTUMS, and not Photons that are around for Hundreds of years! Many People (or maybe most) are getting such Iconic Ships because they fall in Love with them from the SHOWS, and therefore would like to see those in the Game, the way they were in the SHOWS.
Maybe for you its just another Ships, maybe for you those are just shells, maybe all the Stuff in the Game is basically the same, maybe it also makes no Difference to you what "Color" the Weapon Fires have and so on......but well gues what, for many People, THOSE THINGS MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
Iam sure that no matter how good the Layout of the T6 Defiant will be (or maybe not who knows) that it still will not be 100% on par with the Pilot Ships for example, most of the Non Canon Ships in Game outperform their Canon Counterparts, YET STILL People Love to Fly their Defiants, Prometheuses, Galaxys and so on, so yea for us IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE.
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I expect the Valiant will reuse the same cloak console as the Gal-X and Avenger, and just add an alternate 2-3 pc set to it like the Romulan/Reman sets.
I also expect that all of them will have the same general set bonus, which makes it highly unlikely that the Defiant will ever get a Battle Cloak, but will instead buff cannons and torps.
I also expect that the Valiant will either have a similar setup to the Pathfinder or to the Andromeda, and like both of them, will not have any access to ship specialist abilities (like Intel Analysis, Command abilities, or Pilot Maneuvers).
It's nice that the KDF finally get their much awaited BoP as well. No mention of it being able to use the Ning'tao skin though? If not intended, why? The Ning'tao is the one that comes with the quad cannons on the KDF side.
Malem seems to be the only real ship worthwhile to use as a torp boat; RomPlas, EmissionTorp, Red Ball of Death, Plasmatic Biomatter Torp, and the Terran Set sounds tempting. I'm only disappointed it's not a Command ship instead; on the grounds that I could spam Concentrate Firepower and go for eternal HY. Now as long as it can still GW to gather the cattle for the slaughter...
I do kind of agree with the others that it should be a Quantum Torp console; but my reasoning is not due to canonicity, but due to the fact that it's tied to the 3 ships rather than being usable on all other ships, and they'll need every last gimmick advantage vs the newer and superior ships that are out. Now if the Torp console could be used on any Fed (Valiant Console)/KDF (Kor Console)/Romulan (Malem Console) ship, Photons would have been fine (to better synergize with Photon-centric builds like the Armitage or those using GraviTorps). But as ship-locked consoles? May as well make them Quantums.
i know that detachable "nose" Part thingy, but thats not the case here, if they made it like in the Manual, that we can Fire the Defiants "Nose" Section armed with Photons in it, that than will deal some Heavy Damage to the Enemy it would be fine, BUT what we have here is a Console that Fires the Torpedos itself, and as such it should Fire QUANTUMS over totally outdated (by Star Trek Standards)Photons, i repeat myself but thats plain and simple silly.
I was "Prepared" to get the Cross Faction Pack and was waiting since ever they started to "Upgrade" T5s to T6s for a New T6 Defiant, now that they finaly Officially announce those, all i was waiting for was / is the Boff/Console Layout, but this Photon Nonsense bugs me Personaly so badly, that i have to rethink whether i really want that thing or just skip it, and after having waited like forever for this Ship, this is a Shame........
And of course the ship is proven to be ultra maneuverable, even with TRIBBLE cadets behind the wheel. Cloaked?!?
A Bird of Prey canna fire when she's cloaked.
I don't know how that would work. It's the equivalent of Shon's run with the Aquarius. Logically unless it was transformed into a VATA, using it should disable you from having your Deflector dish.
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As to the consoles, I was wondering about the charge rates, etc. and if they'd be comparable to typical torps of their type. Will the Photon torps reload faster than the Plamsas? Will the Plasmas have lower DPV/DPS but apply (up to six in a volley) stacks of plasma DoT? Are we getting a console that can effectively stand in for a projectile weapon slot, or will it have its 6 torps reload over the standard 2 min "clicky" cooldown (or 1 torp every secs)? What will the set bonuses be? Heh, right back to the stats...
We'll see how well all three are balanced for current conditions and work from there.
[EDIT] I wonder if they'll remember to add anything to the T5 B'Rel to make it something worth owning...?