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khan1000
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it is covered by the CBS and paramout copyright
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Is STO canon 99 votes
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Basically the question makes no sense.
Just because it's licensed does /not/ mean it is considered canon.
CBS flip-flops itself on whether or not STO is actually canon or not.
When not it's followed by the explanation that it is neither a film or television series, as such it is strictly non-canonical.
When STO is, it's never directly called canon, instead leaning toward a positive disposition of the product and stating enjoyment of it's ideas and concepts.
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Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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At best, CBS will steal an idea if it ever suits them, no more.
The-Grand-Nagus
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alien, ships, weapons ect were made up differently for various episodes/movies.
the same images of planets were often used to represent supposedly totally different planets especially in TOS.
basically what i am trying to say is just about everything was made up or changed around to fit any episode or movie script that was being played out at the time.
so now define canon, in my opinion canon is just about anything that seems to fit within an evolving and ever changing framework of - its mostly set in space and involves meeting various aliens , fighting battles and visiting strange new worlds even if those worlds are not always all that strange and quite often are not new at all as there are there is already a human colony who come from earth and are based there. or in other words just about anything the writer put in there to make up the story that was being told that day.
now tell me sto is not any different.
I am a die hard trekkie who grew up watching star trek from TOS onwards when it first aired in the uk, have a large star trek memorabilia collection and have visited many of the star trek conventions and met many of the stars.
if I can except sto as canon I would think anybody could.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Your opinion is irrelevant, the IP-holder's isn't (CBS/Paramount). And they officially define Star Trek canon as every piece shown on TV or the big screen (including TAS). Nothing else is canon by definition.
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EDIT: The poll makes no sense.
Answer No.
Because.
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basically what your saying is - any game of star trek that does not feature aliens ships or planets that did not appear in one of the star trek episodes or movies is not canon, well....that kinda kills any chance of exploration and finding any strange new worlds or meeting any new types of aliens by your definition.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
No... It is irrelevant because CBS said so... Hence you are wrong.
No, it's because you disagree with the IP-holder's view. They have the power to define canon. You and me don't.
And no, it doesn't mean that. Neither by my definition nor by the official definition.
EDIT: It does seem a little bit that you don't know what "canon" means or what it means for licensed works, at least this is what I get when you think non-canonical works cannot feature exploration content.
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you really need to take a long slow read of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon
I particularly like this passage from the page.
"Based on the amount of creative control Roddenberry exerted over the first seasons of Star Trek, some people argue that only Roddenberry-approved material should be considered canon.[25] Such an approach would eliminate from canon anything Roddenberry didn't like, as well as everything made after his death, including six movies and three TV series.
However, Roddenberry himself pre-emptively rebuked such an attitude. He had hoped that Star Trek would go on after his death.[26] As Star Trek was constantly improved by each following generation, he expected people to look back upon its humble beginnings as just that, the simple beginnings of something much bigger and better.[27] Roddenberry clearly never intended Star Trek to be limited to his work, but to include all the hopefully superior work of future generations."
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
This article actually works against your argument if you have read it all. The small summary at the top is based on this article which says the only exception from the tv and movie rule are two novels that were supposed to be canon but weren't actually made into episodes and served as writer's guides for certain characters but technically, since they weren't actually shot, they still aren't canon. They probably share the technical manuals' state.
The "fluid" remark reads here as whenver someone on the writing staff of a new show or movie feels he or she wants to include non-canon elements and thus making them canon they can. The remark does not imply canon is some wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey entity everybody can change because he or she agrees or disagrees. EDIT: Unless the attitude of CBS/Paramount changes, of course.
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It's the least canon of everything out there. Just like all Star Trek games, this is no different.
there is absolutely no point in discussing this any further, you have your view and I will have mine, I don't particularly care if anybody considers sto canon or not, all I care about is I enjoy playing the game and at the end of the day that's all that really matters to me.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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And they have in the past. TAS. I doubt they will ever canonise anything other than the films or TV as they don't have full control over them.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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So STO is no more canon than the Star Trek Vids on you tube. Including the ones by Roddenberry's son. Just because Nichelle Nicols, Tim Russ, Walter Koenig, or any other actor from the series shows up as their character doesn't make it canon.
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Please don't take this the wrong way, but what you say does not make sense.
"if it wasn't in the series or movies its not canon cbs say so but exploration which would involve going to planets and meeting aliens that were defiantly not in the movies or tv shows is fine."
What is this supposed to mean? What is your point and why does it have something to do with CBS' definition of Star Trek canon?
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I think it really just boils down to whether or not you believe STO. IE. when STO tells you "hey, there's Klingons attacking!" or "it's Neelix!" you take that statement and run with it or shrink back and question the very premise with which your little moment of gameplay is based. If you run with it, then whatever someone else (or any combination of people) says is irrelevant. They can't tell you what to believe (particularly when it comes to your entertainment.)
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