What I think we could benefit from here, in regards to the voting and designing is more clarification of the steps. Is this step to just pick the basic design and then later steps refine that design, such as where the deflector is, where the hangers are, where the weapon hardpoints are, etc etc etc. Another step to design the BOff seating, the console layout, the amount of weapons. The specialization; command, intel, pilot, or (my vote) a new carrier specialization. Weather this is to just design the Fed carrier with the Klingon and Romulan being designed by Cryptic with stats in line of the Fed one... or just clarification there is a Klingon and Romulan carrier coming. Trendy, can you give us this clarification?
And after this little contest, we'll have two more with designs for an Imperial (KDF) and Republic Science Ship. Right?
The reason why it's a design a fed ship and not a Klingon or Romulan ship is because the majority of the games players are Federation. Just because you and I would like a Klingon and Romulan design event, they just won't get the interest from enough of the players to make it worthwhile. It's the same reason why the Federation has dozens of costumes while the other two have very little and also why the majority of the ships in game are Federation ships. If there was a larger Klingon and Romulan population, we'd see as much love as the Federation gets.
When I first read topic title I thought we've finally got a chance to design our new ship completely and not choose from several different possible designs. I got excited because I really thought I could post my carrier design and compete with other people to introduce it in game so this is a bit disappointing to me.
However, I must say that between given designs Omega is my first choice and she's also the closest thing to how would my carrier look like. My second choice would be alpha design which is also very nice. Also I have one objection about both designs and those are ventral nacelles which really don't fit to me. They should be equal in length to dorsal ones and positioned right beneath them (like the four nacelles are on Prometheus/Cheyenne/Constellation).
Btw if you want a good name for carrier class I suggest you go with Leviathan
FED ENG:FA Sirius Verax (USS Leviathan) , FED TAC (Delta): FA Adria Tyllex (USS Thunderblade) , ROM TAC:ADM Kill'ina (IRW Imperix Thrai) , KLING ENG (Delta):LT. GEN Ghol'Vaq Martok (IKS Qeh'Ral II) - 44th Fleet member SUPPORTING PLAYABLE CARDASSIAN AND DOMINION FACTIONS!
I think it small profile and compact size is a bouns. A Carrier class starship doesn't have to be the biggest ship class. Look at the Defiant and the Steamrunner. They are smal and mid-size ships and ship classes and they have a hell of a punch.
The new carrier class of starship. Could be mission specific as in a support role only.
I hope this interactive community-driven project goes well.
I love being able to give real input that may actually have an impact on the game. Being involved with STO's Alpha/Beta (when forum members became involved) was one of things that helped me feel like I was a part of the game, not just playing it (still wish I had my old account with the Red Matter console from the Collector's Ed....).
And after this little contest, we'll have two more with designs for an Imperial (KDF) and Republic Science Ship. Right?
Doubtful. If anything, Cryptic is gonna design the analogous KDF and RRW ships and keep it to themselves, like they did during the "Design The Next Enterprise" contest.
I mean, honestly though, a new KDF T6 carrier would more than likely be a Vo'Quv refit or descendant design. The devs would have plenty to go on when creating a new ship there.
As for the RRW, I can't imagine that any carrier style Warbird of theirs wouldn't be incredibly hybridized, like most of their ship designs, so if we get something on that front, it'll probably be..... well, I guess just really Romulan.
That Galaxy-X was sure firing it's phaser lance alot more that it should have been able. Considering its power requirement to fire the weapon in the first place. Form your vid posted here. It fired its phaser lance no less that 6 rimes and that is just plan insane.
Of all the designs only the Omega says carrier for me. Fighters should be sallied out quickly in groups but recovery of damaged fighters would require a large landing bay. Fighters should launch simultaneous from individual small launch bays. In question is whether Federation carriers will use fighters/shuttle only or will they have frigate hangars. Frigates would need very large launch and recovery bays. Those issues are important to giving the model a sense of scale and purpose.
Carriers should be slow and big, the support for a task force but able to be self sufficient. Protruding pylons and nacelles are a bad idea. Maneuvering a crippled fighter during recovery operations means the vessel needs to have less obstacles to fly around. Fighter pilots are already cannon fodder with a high mortality rate in STO.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
i personally don't see why we cant have the Typhon Class from Star Trek : Invasion, I Love that Ship. the nearest I can see here would be Sigma and Epsilon.
But I want the Typhon. and yes it is Typhon and not Typhoon. Look it up.
Remember a True Carrier is a mobile station, not very manuverable but tough enough to take a pounding, Whilst commanding its fighters and support craft, usually not that heavily armed either.
A True Carrier is a "park and assist" ship. would be good to see some Flak weapons on it as well, to keep enemy fighters and torps at bay.
i personally don't see why we cant have the Typhon Class from Star Trek : Invasion, I Love that Ship. the nearest I can see here would be Sigma and Epsilon.
But I want the Typhon. and yes it is Typhon and not Typhoon. Look it up.
Yes, we know.
But Cryptic can't use that ship because it's an Activision design. They'd have to buy it or otherwise acquire permission to use it.
My idea would be: primary hull - BETA, secondary hull - THETA, nacelles - OMEGA.
The point of a carrier is to have big space for the fighters, large hull to accomodate a lot of personnel and better armour, and enormous war core for the energy requisitions.
....The number of shuttles in a deployed wing is only 6, so a maximum of 12 per ship. Such a low number doesn't require the hangar space or support crew that a modern sea going carrier does...
Who's to say that the T6 carriers won't feature additional carrier bays? 3 or 4 carrier pets would be amazing!
That's a Very Good point. Three bays might work, but even at T6 I can't see a battle carrier with 3 bays and 5 tac consoles. Still, if they trimmed off a console somewhere in the design for the extra bay; ie. 9 consoles in total for the basic and 10 consoles for the fleet version then it might balance out.
If we go to more bays then the Gamma probably beats the alpha... it's just that the alpha looks so open-my-wallet cool!
I really am not drawn to any of those ships, none of them look (in my mind) like what a dedicated carrirer woud appear to be. They look like HEC's to my eyes.
My vote would be to introduce a T6 Nebula class with two hangars replacing the mission pod. Kill two birds with one stone.
I know that you will all look deep into your hearts, consult your consciences, and vote Delta. The design lends itself to a truly large scale, the nacelles follow line of sight rules, and it hints at a move toward Universe-class design elements.
Sorry for the confusion, but I don't see where on the forum us non-social-media people are supposed to place our votes, and I'd rather not sift through this entire thread.
Christian Gaming Community Fleets--Faith, Fun, and Fellowship! See the website and PM for more. :-) Proudly F2P.Signature image by gulberat. Avatar image by balsavor.deviantart.com.
My vote is for the Omega. Jupiter 2.0. I'm just hoping this ship comes with a new fighter design, and will have balanced BOff seating similar to the Odyssey.
Just...can we have the option for equal-length nacelles, or even the option to remove the ventral set? I'm not a huge fan of quad-nacelled designs, but having ventral nacelles shorter than dorsal ones looks really goofy.
I'd also really like to know what the big white space is on the Omega design. Asking us to pick one is difficult when we only have two very limited views of the ship, but regardless the Omega is still my favorite. The two dual-nacelle designs aren't original enough, IMO. One is too Galaxy, the other too Excelsior (and we just got a T6 Excelsior and the Command Cruisers, which are basically 3 different quad-nacelled Excelsiors.
Just, again, please...try to give us a balanced BOff layout similar to the Odyssey. My ship's namesake is a World War Two aircraft carrier, so I really wished the Odyssey had that capability, because it's an otherwise perfect cruiser, specifically because of the very flexible BOff layout.
I guess, failing that, if you could consider adding at least one hangar slot to the Odyssey's inevitable T6 incarnation, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Just because you and I would like a Klingon and Romulan design event, they just won't get the interest from enough of the players to make it worthwhile. It's the same reason why the Federation has dozens of costumes while the other two have very little and also why the majority of the ships in game are Federation ships. If there was a larger Klingon and Romulan population, we'd see as much love as the Federation gets.
[rant on] That's absolute rubbish. "Won't get the interest." As if. We've been asking for a dedicated Romulan carrier since LoR went live. And the excuse given for why the Feds have more costumes and ships is the fallacy of Circular Reasoning, which is, you know, a fallacy (incorrect inference, or BAD REASONING, hardly a good basis for business decisions, so Geko should admit that he's irrational or that the excuse he's been using is bogus and that the truth is simply that he's insolent, and then get out of the way and let someone rational and/or courteous make the decisions about KDF and RRF, since he is obviously only causing harm to the game by his Fed favoritism, and yes, I'm sneering at him as I type this because I'm tired of his unjustifiable attitude toward KDF and RRF, I am not a morning person, and I haven't had enough coffee/tea/cola yet today -- AND I STILL WANT THE OTHER KDF AND RRF SHIPS WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THE DELTA PACK ADDED RETROACTIVELY TO MY PURCHASE BEFORE THE FEDS GET EVEN ONE MORE T6 SHIP!!!). [/rant off]
Anyway, I'm being asked to vote by some of my fleet people who also play Fed (I do, too, but I mostly play RRF), who tell me that if this gets enough interest, there's a chance (a chance! omg, be still my heart!) that we'll FINALLY get the RRF carrier we should have ALREADY had for, like, ages, but I don't see anywhere in the fora to vote (and I don't use Faceyspaces or Tweetybooks, because G+ rules), so I would like to do so and get it over with.
Starting tomorrow September 24th, we’ll open up the voting tournament on Twitter, Facebook and our Forums!
Comments
The reason why it's a design a fed ship and not a Klingon or Romulan ship is because the majority of the games players are Federation. Just because you and I would like a Klingon and Romulan design event, they just won't get the interest from enough of the players to make it worthwhile. It's the same reason why the Federation has dozens of costumes while the other two have very little and also why the majority of the ships in game are Federation ships. If there was a larger Klingon and Romulan population, we'd see as much love as the Federation gets.
However, I must say that between given designs Omega is my first choice and she's also the closest thing to how would my carrier look like. My second choice would be alpha design which is also very nice. Also I have one objection about both designs and those are ventral nacelles which really don't fit to me. They should be equal in length to dorsal ones and positioned right beneath them (like the four nacelles are on Prometheus/Cheyenne/Constellation).
Btw if you want a good name for carrier class I suggest you go with Leviathan
SUPPORTING PLAYABLE CARDASSIAN AND DOMINION FACTIONS!
I think it small profile and compact size is a bouns. A Carrier class starship doesn't have to be the biggest ship class. Look at the Defiant and the Steamrunner. They are smal and mid-size ships and ship classes and they have a hell of a punch.
The new carrier class of starship. Could be mission specific as in a support role only.
For that reason I'm voting for SIGMA
I love being able to give real input that may actually have an impact on the game. Being involved with STO's Alpha/Beta (when forum members became involved) was one of things that helped me feel like I was a part of the game, not just playing it (still wish I had my old account with the Red Matter console from the Collector's Ed....).
Doubtful. If anything, Cryptic is gonna design the analogous KDF and RRW ships and keep it to themselves, like they did during the "Design The Next Enterprise" contest.
I mean, honestly though, a new KDF T6 carrier would more than likely be a Vo'Quv refit or descendant design. The devs would have plenty to go on when creating a new ship there.
As for the RRW, I can't imagine that any carrier style Warbird of theirs wouldn't be incredibly hybridized, like most of their ship designs, so if we get something on that front, it'll probably be..... well, I guess just really Romulan.
That Galaxy-X was sure firing it's phaser lance alot more that it should have been able. Considering its power requirement to fire the weapon in the first place. Form your vid posted here. It fired its phaser lance no less that 6 rimes and that is just plan insane.
But that is just my POV
Its still misaligned by 20 millimeters.
Carriers should be slow and big, the support for a task force but able to be self sufficient. Protruding pylons and nacelles are a bad idea. Maneuvering a crippled fighter during recovery operations means the vessel needs to have less obstacles to fly around. Fighter pilots are already cannon fodder with a high mortality rate in STO.
Player and forumite formerly known as FEELTHETHUNDER
Expatriot Might Characters in EXILE
But I want the Typhon. and yes it is Typhon and not Typhoon. Look it up.
Remember a True Carrier is a mobile station, not very manuverable but tough enough to take a pounding, Whilst commanding its fighters and support craft, usually not that heavily armed either.
A True Carrier is a "park and assist" ship. would be good to see some Flak weapons on it as well, to keep enemy fighters and torps at bay.
Yes, we know.
But Cryptic can't use that ship because it's an Activision design. They'd have to buy it or otherwise acquire permission to use it.
The point of a carrier is to have big space for the fighters, large hull to accomodate a lot of personnel and better armour, and enormous war core for the energy requisitions.
I dont like that in the choices we have 6 ships with 4 nacelles and only 2 ships with 2
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy
That's a Very Good point. Three bays might work, but even at T6 I can't see a battle carrier with 3 bays and 5 tac consoles. Still, if they trimmed off a console somewhere in the design for the extra bay; ie. 9 consoles in total for the basic and 10 consoles for the fleet version then it might balance out.
If we go to more bays then the Gamma probably beats the alpha... it's just that the alpha looks so open-my-wallet cool!
Nerfing is Fraud...
My vote would be to introduce a T6 Nebula class with two hangars replacing the mission pod. Kill two birds with one stone.
That escort-like ship looks awesome! I think it would make a nice T6 Escort skin!
Today :
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9561483-star-trek-online:-design-your-ship!
Sorry for the confusion, but I don't see where on the forum us non-social-media people are supposed to place our votes, and I'd rather not sift through this entire thread.
Christian Gaming Community Fleets--Faith, Fun, and Fellowship! See the website and PM for more. :-)
Proudly F2P. Signature image by gulberat. Avatar image by balsavor.deviantart.com.
Just...can we have the option for equal-length nacelles, or even the option to remove the ventral set? I'm not a huge fan of quad-nacelled designs, but having ventral nacelles shorter than dorsal ones looks really goofy.
I'd also really like to know what the big white space is on the Omega design. Asking us to pick one is difficult when we only have two very limited views of the ship, but regardless the Omega is still my favorite. The two dual-nacelle designs aren't original enough, IMO. One is too Galaxy, the other too Excelsior (and we just got a T6 Excelsior and the Command Cruisers, which are basically 3 different quad-nacelled Excelsiors.
Just, again, please...try to give us a balanced BOff layout similar to the Odyssey. My ship's namesake is a World War Two aircraft carrier, so I really wished the Odyssey had that capability, because it's an otherwise perfect cruiser, specifically because of the very flexible BOff layout.
I guess, failing that, if you could consider adding at least one hangar slot to the Odyssey's inevitable T6 incarnation, I'd greatly appreciate it.
[rant on] That's absolute rubbish. "Won't get the interest." As if. We've been asking for a dedicated Romulan carrier since LoR went live. And the excuse given for why the Feds have more costumes and ships is the fallacy of Circular Reasoning, which is, you know, a fallacy (incorrect inference, or BAD REASONING, hardly a good basis for business decisions, so Geko should admit that he's irrational or that the excuse he's been using is bogus and that the truth is simply that he's insolent, and then get out of the way and let someone rational and/or courteous make the decisions about KDF and RRF, since he is obviously only causing harm to the game by his Fed favoritism, and yes, I'm sneering at him as I type this because I'm tired of his unjustifiable attitude toward KDF and RRF, I am not a morning person, and I haven't had enough coffee/tea/cola yet today -- AND I STILL WANT THE OTHER KDF AND RRF SHIPS WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN THE DELTA PACK ADDED RETROACTIVELY TO MY PURCHASE BEFORE THE FEDS GET EVEN ONE MORE T6 SHIP!!!). [/rant off]
Anyway, I'm being asked to vote by some of my fleet people who also play Fed (I do, too, but I mostly play RRF), who tell me that if this gets enough interest, there's a chance (a chance! omg, be still my heart!) that we'll FINALLY get the RRF carrier we should have ALREADY had for, like, ages, but I don't see anywhere in the fora to vote (and I don't use Faceyspaces or Tweetybooks, because G+ rules), so I would like to do so and get it over with.
It's the 24th ...
Most unexpectedly, this turned into a flame-fest! Closed it goes!. /sigh What flamefestery is this? pwlaughingtrendy