Gamma saucer look like a fish from stone ages an very bulking an slow which will not be go at all for carrier. But im in
favor of the afta section of this ship.
Delta saucer look like a fish from stone ages an very bulking an slow which will not be go at all for carrier. But im in
favor of the afta section of this ship.
Hrm... I would have liked a Bismarck class with Dragonfly fighter/shuttles... but StarTrek:Final Frountier never made it past the concept sketches. And I'll have to admit, the Bismarck class looks really strange with a rectangular saucer.
Do you get that? Leaving aside, for the moment, the question of "amounts of content," neither KDF nor RRF has a single science vessel at T5/T5-U, nor T6, "Science" Command ships notwithstanding.
No, the Delta Pack was initially going to contain five ships for Feds and 2 each for KDF and RRF, but before it was released, a SIXTH ship was ADDED to the Pack FOR THE FEDS!!! Feds got one intel ship per career class, as well as 3 other T6 ships.
I'm just picking these two things out as they are demonstrably false. Varanus, Fleet Varanus and Dyson ships for Klingons, and Ha'nom, Fleet Ha'nom and Dyson ships for Romulans do, in fact exist, and they are Tier 5 and able to be upgraded to Tier5-U. You may not be fond of them, or consider them "worthy," but they are there. For the second bit, Eclipse, Phantom, Scryer, Guardian, and Dauntless is 5 ships. Please inform of the sixth, so I know which one to complain about not receiving.
As for the rest, enjoy your whale hunt, Ahab. It's going to end just about as well as his did. I've seen this in a number of MMOs, players who want the whole game, or a substantial portion of it, redone to suit them. It ends with burnout for the player involved, and increasing marginalization of said player from the community as a whole.
The Varanus is a garbage scow (translation: it's very poorly designed), and not Klingon, which have been given as reasons why it never sold well and is now used as an excuse not to make another KDF science vessel ever. More than that I can't speak to, because, although I have it on at least one of my KDF characters, I've yet to take it out of spacedock due to the bad reviews.
I dismissed my last Prime Universe Ha'* warbird (other than Haakona, if that can be considered to be part of that group), because it could NOT be upgraded (that may have been a bug, but I am quite certain that it could not be upgraded). As has already been pointed out, the Ha'nom lacks sensor analysis -- and I'm pretty sure it lacks the secondary deflector as well, although, since I dismissed mine, you can verify that as well as I can. The DSDs are not Science vessels any more than the Deihu or Klinzhai are. Hybrid Science/X ships are not Science ships.
As for the Delta Pack, upon review, I see that I had misremembered. The point, however, remains: the Feds were initially going to get Z (in this case, Z= 4) ships out of the thing, and that a further ship was added to the Pack before it was released, so that they got Z+1 (5) ships out of it, while KDF and RRF got two each, the Feds getting an intel ship for each career class, and the KDF and RRF getting only one intel ship for one career class.
As for what you've seen in other MMOs, this isn't my first rodeo, either, and I don't seem to be alienating other RRF players by what I'm saying here; whether "the community as a whole" (*see note below) is made uncomfortable by gadflies or not, gadflies need to exist precisely to make the community uncomfortable enough to examine itself (check its privilege, perhaps?), and if you come at me with hemlock, I will refuse to drink, because I'm not Socrates, nor Jesus, nor Surak.
An MMO which has factions and treats one with such obvious favoritism is such an astounding concept as to seem counter-intuitive on the face of it, and, were this not an MMO based upon an IP in which one side was always the focus of all the series and movies, the very idea would be so obviously ludicrous that nobody would even consider attempting to defend it. Put most simply, while the Fed faction will likely remain more populated than either of the other factions, more consideration/opportunities/choices for those other factions than they are currently afforded would likely increase their populations and therefore the profits to be had from them, and treating them as afterthoughts is likely to, at best, maintain the status quo (hence, as I have stated, self-fulfilling prophecy), or possibly have even more detrimental effects on those factions.
(*Note: Come on, are you seriously going to try that one with me? First of all, the use of "whole" there indicates that you're trying to claim that the entire player community will judge me irrelevant and cranky, but this thread alone shows a number of people on my side [which should come as no surprise, seeing as I'm simply codifying and expressing a view generally held by a good number of RRF and KDF players], and even someone who, as as an RRF player, ordinarily disagrees with my views, here agreeing with me, namely, kodachikuno. Second of all, I should not have to tell you [when, oh when did Rhetoric begin to be taken as even remotely equal to Logic?] that Argumentum ad Populum is a fallacy, so even if by some Bizarro twisting of reality, the entire community turned against me because I have petitioned for fair treatment, it would not make the entire community right nor discourage me from continuing my quest for justice.)
Do you get that? Leaving aside, for the moment, the question of "amounts of content," neither KDF nor RRF has a single science vessel at T5/T5-U, nor T6, "Science" Command ships notwithstanding.
No, the Delta Pack was initially going to contain five ships for Feds and 2 each for KDF and RRF, but before it was released, a SIXTH ship was ADDED to the Pack FOR THE FEDS!!! Feds got one intel ship per career class, as well as 3 other T6 ships.
I'm just picking these two things out as they are demonstrably false. Varanus, Fleet Varanus and Dyson ships for Klingons, and Ha'nom, Fleet Ha'nom and Dyson ships for Romulans do, in fact exist, and they are Tier 5 and able to be upgraded to Tier5-U. You may not be fond of them, or consider them "worthy," but they are there. For the second bit, Eclipse, Phantom, Scryer, Guardian, and Dauntless is 5 ships. Please inform of the sixth, so I know which one to complain about not receiving.
As for the rest, enjoy your whale hunt, Ahab. It's going to end just about as well as his did. I've seen this in a number of MMOs, players who want the whole game, or a substantial portion of it, redone to suit them. It ends with burnout for the player involved, and increasing marginalization of said player from the community as a whole.
The Ha'nam is a free level 40 ship, that lacks sensor analysis (and probably a secondary deflector), the DSD's are hybrid ships, leaving the Fleet Ha'nom as the only level 50 science ship, that lacks sensor analisys (and probably the secondary deflector). They have 0 T6 science ships.
Fed's have 3 T6 ships, six if you count the fact they all have fleet versions.
The Varanus makes the free at level 40 ship in the Fed's look like a T6 ship in comparison. The Varanus is a sub-par ship, as is the Ha'nom. Also, all thee have the DSD set, so outside of that, the KDF/Rom's have 1 science ship with a fleet version each. neither of which are very good.
I don't think Protogoth, or I want the game retailored for us, we, like many others, want to get closer to 3 Rom ships to every 5 Fed ships, instead of 2 Rom ships for every 5 Fed ships, and the same for KDF ships. We want captains to have a choice for a science vessel that is worth flying. At this point the Federation has as many, or more T6 ships than the combined KDF/Rom ships.
The Varanus isn't that bad.... Actually it's more that the freebie science ship has above average stats for a freebie.
The Varanus isn't that bad.... Actually it's more that the freebie science ship has above average stats for a freebie.
I agree. I used the Varanus for some time on my Deferi character and it worked rather well. I am also a strong supporter for Klingon and Romulan science ships, although I also think they should feel different from Starfleet ones, I'm not a big fan of carbon copies. But I think players from all factions are heavily biased due to the dps madness and will disregard each and every ship not coming out of the box with the perfect layout to push numbers in a third party program - just let the absurdity of that sink it.
The Varanus does what it has to do just as well as other ships, it doesn't matter if others do it better. I used the Galaxy before the T6 upgrade on one of my Starfleet chars, the Negh'Var before the T6 revamp on my Klingon and my Romulan char wasn't created until I could get a hold on a D'Deridex. None of these ships was especially popular but I tailored playstyles and even different ones to make those ships work. If anyone asks I'd rather define the ship's worth over my personal performance than some rankings or other people's reviews. My Negh'Var is using Boarding Party as a primary ability for Kahless' sake.
Now the two factions (I will never recognise the cross-faction Roms as a faction. I support a full independent faction, but I'm not going to pretend the current status quo is anything else than the WoW Deathknight) are inbalanced and yes, "red" needs more attention. But the reality is that KDF was never meant to be a full faction we have that on record and if anybody truly believed empty PR talk that we would get two full factions it's really their own fault, as disappointing as it is. Regarding Roms, also on record, STO will never, ever have more than two "full" factions. The "red" faction is lacking ships, costumes, bug fixes for as long as the game is online. I appreciate every bit invested but I also don't expect anything to be invested.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I vote Sigma, so far best over all design, not Crazy about any of them, Think Naval, Carrier mean it needs a big Secondary Hull to hold a number of Fighters, Runabouts, or Shuttles, people. So let's start emptying the Saucer section to make room!!! Hoping for a 5 fore and 3 aft Weapons slots, the First Universal Federation Battle Cloak Console, all Universal crew; so we can make the Starship Tactical, Engineering, or Science Commander sloted. It's been so disappointing to have Bridge Officers with powers you can not use in battle!!!
Get rid of Alpha first round voting and keep Beta, I vote unhappily Beta. Glad to have voice in this! People Think Star Trek On-Line Starship creator and mix and match Starship Parts. That's what I did with the last carrier I used 4 different Starships to make one!
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Same hull
1.2 vs 1.3 shield mod - point to the DSSV
750 vs 500 crew - better on the DSSV
Same weapons
Same Boff set up
Same turn rate
Same impulse
40 inertia vs 33 inertia, This is subjective, Some people will prefer more on rails handing of the Varanus, some will prefer the more drifty handling of the DSSV
Bonus Power, 10 vs 15 - Another win for the DSSV
Repair Platform Console - The only straight up win for the Varanus, because the DSSV being a "free" ship doesn't come with a console
It looks to me like it has worse stats then the arguably worst freebie T-5 fed science ship, The only clear win it has is a console from being a pay ship.
Same hull
1.2 vs 1.3 shield mod - point to the DSSV
750 vs 500 crew - better on the DSSV
Same weapons
Same Boff set up
Same turn rate
Same impulse
40 inertia vs 33 inertia, This is subjective, Some people will prefer more on rails handing of the Varanus, some will prefer the more drifty handling of the DSSV
Bonus Power, 10 vs 15 - Another win for the DSSV
Repair Platform Console - The only straight up win for the Varanus, because the DSSV being a "free" ship doesn't come with a console
It looks to me like it has worse stats then the arguably worst freebie T-5 fed science ship, The only clear win it has is a console from being a pay ship.
Yeah, go compare the DSSV with the Z-store Fed science ships.....
28500 vs 30000 hull - the D'Kyr
1.3 shield mod - Tie for the Fed ships, both better then the Varanus
500 vs 300 (or 450 wiki is unclear) - D'Kyr
Same weapons
BOff setups are not the same Lt Com sci vs Lt Com Eng, but with the Universal Ens slot I would give a slight lead to the D'kyr
Same Turn rate
Same Impulse
45 inertia, if you liked the handling of the Varanus over the DSSV, the D'Kyr is even more so
15 bonus power, Tie for the fed ships, both with 5 more aux power then the Varanus
Launch Support Craft vs the nothing from free ships
The 2000 Zen Fed ship beats the free Fed ship, unless you value the Lt Comm Sci over all the other advantages, though probably not by as much as the DSSV beat the Varanus.
Please, everyone, check your fake videogame privilege because the blur between reality and an imaginary situation is too much for some people to handle.
Really? I was farily certain that Dental was of the opinion that protecting the (imaginary) citizens of this (imaginary) world from (imaginary) evil is the most important thing ever.
Or, you're engaging in keen irony - and if that's the case, a tip-of-the-hat to you.
Either way, Proto and a bunch of others in this thread are right. There is a definite lack of content for the Romulans, when compared with the Feds. Sure, it's free choice which in-game race I want to be. But I hardly think it's too much to ask that my chosen faction - of which I was provided a choice within the game itself - be given at least close to an equal amount of goodies as the other factions.
honestly if it were even 50% fed 25% kdf and 25% rom I think the butthurt would be reduced to nominal mmo levels but no its 90% fed 7% lockbox 3% fed reskins for kdf/rom
I did a quick count on the Wiki. When it comes to 'endgame' ships (ie: all Tier 5 and above), Feds have 100, KDF has about 66, Roms have about 50. That doesn't include promo, lockbox, lobi (nb: excluding temporals) or non-mirror ships like Kazon, Malon, etc.
I did a quick count on the Wiki. When it comes to 'endgame' ships (ie: all Tier 5 and above), Feds have 100, KDF has about 66, Roms have about 50. That doesn't include promo, lockbox, lobi (nb: excluding temporals) or non-mirror ships like Kazon, Malon, etc.
Nobody says that there isn't an overabundance of Fed ships, but counting the mirror ships is moot since they are just swapped stations of the freebie ships. So the ratio stays the same, but it doesn't look as impressive when feds have 93 instead of 100 and then there's the question wether fleet ships qualify since the fleet upgrade is available for basically every T5 ship and doesn't really qualify as a new ship.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I did a quick count on the Wiki. When it comes to 'endgame' ships (ie: all Tier 5 and above), Feds have 100, KDF has about 66, Roms have about 50. That doesn't include promo, lockbox, lobi (nb: excluding temporals) or non-mirror ships like Kazon, Malon, etc.
Nobody says that there isn't an overabundance of Fed ships, but counting the mirror ships is moot since they are just swapped stations of the freebie ships. So the ratio stays the same, but it doesn't look as impressive when feds have 93 instead of 100 and then there's the question wether fleet ships qualify since the fleet upgrade is available for basically every T5 ship and doesn't really qualify as a new ship.
Basically all, but not all. Isn't the Siege Destroyer still missing, for example? And I think that is part of the "unfairness" for the KDF side.
Of course, all these counting games are just that... Games.
People complain about no viable KDF Science Vessels and that the Federatino got another Fed-only ship release with the Hestia. But they ignore that apparently msot of the people in the Hestia Stats forums say it's dead on arrival due to lackluster stats. If "viability" is counted, then the Fed-only Hestia can't be counted, and if it's not, then the Gorn Science Vessel and Dyson Destroyer do count.
I doubt much of these counting games will sway Cryptic, because Cryptic hasn't hired ship counters, but bean counters to run its business.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
I did a quick count on the Wiki. When it comes to 'endgame' ships (ie: all Tier 5 and above), Feds have 100, KDF has about 66, Roms have about 50. That doesn't include promo, lockbox, lobi (nb: excluding temporals) or non-mirror ships like Kazon, Malon, etc.
Nobody says that there isn't an overabundance of Fed ships, but counting the mirror ships is moot since they are just swapped stations of the freebie ships. So the ratio stays the same, but it doesn't look as impressive when feds have 93 instead of 100 and then there's the question wether fleet ships qualify since the fleet upgrade is available for basically every T5 ship and doesn't really qualify as a new ship.
We're on the same page - I was just providing evidence to debunk some of the more ridiculous claims being made (such as that 93% of all ships are Fed, for example).
Nobody says that there isn't an overabundance of Fed ships, but counting the mirror ships is moot since they are just swapped stations of the freebie ships. So the ratio stays the same, but it doesn't look as impressive when feds have 93 instead of 100 and then there's the question wether fleet ships qualify since the fleet upgrade is available for basically every T5 ship and doesn't really qualify as a new ship.
Not counting Fleet and Mirror ships for all factions - so basically, counting all the unique ships at T5+ - that still gets silly with the numbers.
Federation = 53
Klingon Empire = 31
Republic = 28
So no matter what caveats you put on the counting, it's still a comparatively rough outlook for KDF and Roms at the end-game.
Even discounting the ships you mention, the proportions actually remain unchanged at 100/60/50 for Fed/KDF/Rom respectively. Doesn't seem outrageous to me, and certainly not the '93%' claim made earlier, nor the one that Feds get more ships than both KDFs/Roms put together.
There's a great deal of exagerration for effect going on.
The romulans and KDF already have better missions and the ship ratios and attention they get is far higher than the proportion of people who play them. KDF and Romulans combined get slightly more ships than the Federation and about 75% of all character are federation. Those numbers wouldn't be far off from the actual so basically they get twice as much content and attention as they should based on player numbers alone.
Why are they complaining? Oh right, we live in a TRIBBLE entitled society of mindless pricks.
Either Delta, a reminder of the original Star Trek saucer design with a Nebula mission pod to really bring something original into the mix or something only slightly less generic than basically the rest. Yeah, this is a no-brainer, Gamma all the way
Seriously, if they would add the option to make the actual aircraft carrier USS Enterprise a T6 carrier that thing would win the vote...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
The romulans and KDF already have better missions and the ship ratios and attention they get is far higher than the proportion of people who play them. KDF and Romulans combined get slightly more ships than the Federation and about 75% of all character are federation. Those numbers wouldn't be far off from the actual so basically they get twice as much content and attention as they should based on player numbers alone.
Spin it however you want, but as long as the KDF and Romulans get fewer ships and other content, then the two factions will remain underpopulated and underserved. What I'm seeing basically aligns with most of the comments in here. The sum of the KDF and Romulan options, no it's not fewer than the Federation options, but the fact that it's even close to the same number is fairly silly.
Whether it's...
100 Fed to 116 KDF+Rom (66+50)
... or with Fleet, Mirror, Lockbox, and Lobi removed...
53 Fed to 59 KDF+Rom (31+28)
... that's very much in the ballpark of 50% of ships going to the Feds, with about 30% to the KDF, and 20% to the Romulans.
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favor of the afta section of this ship.
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek:_Final_Frontier
Sorta like Beta now that I think about it.
The Varanus is a garbage scow (translation: it's very poorly designed), and not Klingon, which have been given as reasons why it never sold well and is now used as an excuse not to make another KDF science vessel ever. More than that I can't speak to, because, although I have it on at least one of my KDF characters, I've yet to take it out of spacedock due to the bad reviews.
I dismissed my last Prime Universe Ha'* warbird (other than Haakona, if that can be considered to be part of that group), because it could NOT be upgraded (that may have been a bug, but I am quite certain that it could not be upgraded). As has already been pointed out, the Ha'nom lacks sensor analysis -- and I'm pretty sure it lacks the secondary deflector as well, although, since I dismissed mine, you can verify that as well as I can. The DSDs are not Science vessels any more than the Deihu or Klinzhai are. Hybrid Science/X ships are not Science ships.
As for the Delta Pack, upon review, I see that I had misremembered. The point, however, remains: the Feds were initially going to get Z (in this case, Z= 4) ships out of the thing, and that a further ship was added to the Pack before it was released, so that they got Z+1 (5) ships out of it, while KDF and RRF got two each, the Feds getting an intel ship for each career class, and the KDF and RRF getting only one intel ship for one career class.
As for what you've seen in other MMOs, this isn't my first rodeo, either, and I don't seem to be alienating other RRF players by what I'm saying here; whether "the community as a whole" (*see note below) is made uncomfortable by gadflies or not, gadflies need to exist precisely to make the community uncomfortable enough to examine itself (check its privilege, perhaps?), and if you come at me with hemlock, I will refuse to drink, because I'm not Socrates, nor Jesus, nor Surak.
An MMO which has factions and treats one with such obvious favoritism is such an astounding concept as to seem counter-intuitive on the face of it, and, were this not an MMO based upon an IP in which one side was always the focus of all the series and movies, the very idea would be so obviously ludicrous that nobody would even consider attempting to defend it. Put most simply, while the Fed faction will likely remain more populated than either of the other factions, more consideration/opportunities/choices for those other factions than they are currently afforded would likely increase their populations and therefore the profits to be had from them, and treating them as afterthoughts is likely to, at best, maintain the status quo (hence, as I have stated, self-fulfilling prophecy), or possibly have even more detrimental effects on those factions.
(*Note: Come on, are you seriously going to try that one with me? First of all, the use of "whole" there indicates that you're trying to claim that the entire player community will judge me irrelevant and cranky, but this thread alone shows a number of people on my side [which should come as no surprise, seeing as I'm simply codifying and expressing a view generally held by a good number of RRF and KDF players], and even someone who, as as an RRF player, ordinarily disagrees with my views, here agreeing with me, namely, kodachikuno. Second of all, I should not have to tell you [when, oh when did Rhetoric begin to be taken as even remotely equal to Logic?] that Argumentum ad Populum is a fallacy, so even if by some Bizarro twisting of reality, the entire community turned against me because I have petitioned for fair treatment, it would not make the entire community right nor discourage me from continuing my quest for justice.)
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I agree. I used the Varanus for some time on my Deferi character and it worked rather well. I am also a strong supporter for Klingon and Romulan science ships, although I also think they should feel different from Starfleet ones, I'm not a big fan of carbon copies. But I think players from all factions are heavily biased due to the dps madness and will disregard each and every ship not coming out of the box with the perfect layout to push numbers in a third party program - just let the absurdity of that sink it.
The Varanus does what it has to do just as well as other ships, it doesn't matter if others do it better. I used the Galaxy before the T6 upgrade on one of my Starfleet chars, the Negh'Var before the T6 revamp on my Klingon and my Romulan char wasn't created until I could get a hold on a D'Deridex. None of these ships was especially popular but I tailored playstyles and even different ones to make those ships work. If anyone asks I'd rather define the ship's worth over my personal performance than some rankings or other people's reviews. My Negh'Var is using Boarding Party as a primary ability for Kahless' sake.
Now the two factions (I will never recognise the cross-faction Roms as a faction. I support a full independent faction, but I'm not going to pretend the current status quo is anything else than the WoW Deathknight) are inbalanced and yes, "red" needs more attention. But the reality is that KDF was never meant to be a full faction we have that on record and if anybody truly believed empty PR talk that we would get two full factions it's really their own fault, as disappointing as it is. Regarding Roms, also on record, STO will never, ever have more than two "full" factions. The "red" faction is lacking ships, costumes, bug fixes for as long as the game is online. I appreciate every bit invested but I also don't expect anything to be invested.
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http://sto.gamepedia.com/Varanus_Support_Vessel (zen) vs http://sto.gamepedia.com/Deep_Space_Science_Vessel ("freebie")
Same hull
1.2 vs 1.3 shield mod - point to the DSSV
750 vs 500 crew - better on the DSSV
Same weapons
Same Boff set up
Same turn rate
Same impulse
40 inertia vs 33 inertia, This is subjective, Some people will prefer more on rails handing of the Varanus, some will prefer the more drifty handling of the DSSV
Bonus Power, 10 vs 15 - Another win for the DSSV
Repair Platform Console - The only straight up win for the Varanus, because the DSSV being a "free" ship doesn't come with a console
It looks to me like it has worse stats then the arguably worst freebie T-5 fed science ship, The only clear win it has is a console from being a pay ship.
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Er, what?
Ok... Well the Vesta obviously trumps everything here, maybe you are talking about the http://sto.gamepedia.com/D'Kyr_Science_Vessel
28500 vs 30000 hull - the D'Kyr
1.3 shield mod - Tie for the Fed ships, both better then the Varanus
500 vs 300 (or 450 wiki is unclear) - D'Kyr
Same weapons
BOff setups are not the same Lt Com sci vs Lt Com Eng, but with the Universal Ens slot I would give a slight lead to the D'kyr
Same Turn rate
Same Impulse
45 inertia, if you liked the handling of the Varanus over the DSSV, the D'Kyr is even more so
15 bonus power, Tie for the fed ships, both with 5 more aux power then the Varanus
Launch Support Craft vs the nothing from free ships
The 2000 Zen Fed ship beats the free Fed ship, unless you value the Lt Comm Sci over all the other advantages, though probably not by as much as the DSSV beat the Varanus.
Not a lot of difference.
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Really? I was farily certain that Dental was of the opinion that protecting the (imaginary) citizens of this (imaginary) world from (imaginary) evil is the most important thing ever.
Or, you're engaging in keen irony - and if that's the case, a tip-of-the-hat to you.
Either way, Proto and a bunch of others in this thread are right. There is a definite lack of content for the Romulans, when compared with the Feds. Sure, it's free choice which in-game race I want to be. But I hardly think it's too much to ask that my chosen faction - of which I was provided a choice within the game itself - be given at least close to an equal amount of goodies as the other factions.
Nobody says that there isn't an overabundance of Fed ships, but counting the mirror ships is moot since they are just swapped stations of the freebie ships. So the ratio stays the same, but it doesn't look as impressive when feds have 93 instead of 100
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Of course, all these counting games are just that... Games.
People complain about no viable KDF Science Vessels and that the Federatino got another Fed-only ship release with the Hestia. But they ignore that apparently msot of the people in the Hestia Stats forums say it's dead on arrival due to lackluster stats. If "viability" is counted, then the Fed-only Hestia can't be counted, and if it's not, then the Gorn Science Vessel and Dyson Destroyer do count.
I doubt much of these counting games will sway Cryptic, because Cryptic hasn't hired ship counters, but bean counters to run its business.
tbh im not either but i voted anyways just because the beta is buttfugly
We're on the same page - I was just providing evidence to debunk some of the more ridiculous claims being made (such as that 93% of all ships are Fed, for example).
Not counting Fleet and Mirror ships for all factions - so basically, counting all the unique ships at T5+ - that still gets silly with the numbers.
Federation = 53
Klingon Empire = 31
Republic = 28
So no matter what caveats you put on the counting, it's still a comparatively rough outlook for KDF and Roms at the end-game.
There's a great deal of exagerration for effect going on.
Why are they complaining? Oh right, we live in a TRIBBLE entitled society of mindless pricks.
Either Delta, a reminder of the original Star Trek saucer design with a Nebula mission pod to really bring something original into the mix or something only slightly less generic than basically the rest. Yeah, this is a no-brainer, Gamma all the way
Seriously, if they would add the option to make the actual aircraft carrier USS Enterprise a T6 carrier that thing would win the vote...
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Haha, that'd be something to see. F-18 Hornets vs. Iconians. It'd be like something out of the movie Independence Day.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if the 2nd and 3rd place winners do end up as alternate visual options.
Spin it however you want, but as long as the KDF and Romulans get fewer ships and other content, then the two factions will remain underpopulated and underserved. What I'm seeing basically aligns with most of the comments in here. The sum of the KDF and Romulan options, no it's not fewer than the Federation options, but the fact that it's even close to the same number is fairly silly.
Whether it's...
100 Fed to 116 KDF+Rom (66+50)
... or with Fleet, Mirror, Lockbox, and Lobi removed...
53 Fed to 59 KDF+Rom (31+28)
... that's very much in the ballpark of 50% of ships going to the Feds, with about 30% to the KDF, and 20% to the Romulans.