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Mirror Leeta Should Be Old

farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
edited August 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
The New Dawn announcement revealed that Chase Masterson will be reprising her role as Mirror Leeta. Given the treatment that Tom Paris's and Harry Kim's characters received, I hope they don't try to hide the fact that she's a 70 year old woman by this point. Personally I think an evil old Mirror crone would be a lot of fun and make for an interesting villain.

(P.S. Seven is not a human being. She's a Borg Drone and with that comes certain benefits. Consider that she was a woman in her mid-twenties for most of her life prior to leaving the Collective. Borg Drones don't age by human reckoning, if at all.)
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  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    farshore wrote: »
    The New Dawn announcement revealed that Chase Masterson will be reprising her role as Mirror Leeta. Given the treatment that Tom Paris's and Harry Kim's characters received, I hope they don't try to hide the fact that she's a 70 year old woman by this point. Personally I think an evil old Mirror crone would be a lot of fun and make for an interesting villain.

    (P.S. Seven is not a human being. She's a Borg Drone and with that comes certain benefits. Consider that she was a woman in her mid-twenties for most of her life prior to leaving the Collective. Borg Drones don't age by human reckoning, if at all.)
    Well, some people don't really visibly age and look younger than they really are.
    For example, Masahiro Sakurai of Kirby Super Smash Bros fame. He's 45 and he looks half of that (and seem to look younger and younger over time).
    Or, to stay in Star Trek, John Cho (JJ Sulu) is 41.

    Plus, if she's the fleet admiral of the Terran Empire where genetic alterations are probably not illegal, she may have access to special tech to look eternally young to strike fear, like an immortal goddess.

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  • lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.
    Certainly Picard didn't seem to be slowing down all that much by Nemesis, and he was 74 at the time.
  • sirmaydaysirmayday Member Posts: 535 Arc User
    I concur that she should be aged appropriately, and that in this setting, that may not amount to much. If anything, we should be more surprised that the likes of Paris and Kim aged as much as they have...
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Paris is married to a 1/2 klingon and has a wild n reckless daughter... that will age a man
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  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    lordinsane wrote: »
    Certainly Picard didn't seem to be slowing down all that much by Nemesis, and he was 74 at the time.

    Patrick Steward was only 62 at the time, and the fact that the character had always been bald didn't create a frame of reference for his visibly aging. On the other hand, characters (with young actors) that are aged up to their 70s and 80s show visible signs of aging, among them weight gain, baldness, loss of color, and wrinkles.

    Probably the most notable examples would be the crew's reunion from the last couple episodes of Voyager. They aren't exactly spring chickens anymore.

    As for why Mirror Leeta isn't an old woman, I won't accept any given reason given, since if they aren't going to make her old, it's clearly because they want to sex her up.

    P.S. Another character that aged over the course of the series; Miles O'Brien. There were often even jokes and episodes centered around his loss of youth, and he was only in his 40s by the end of DS9's run.
  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    i can see your point, but perhaps a compromise, she can age like Anne Margot.
  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    lordgyor wrote: »
    i can see your point, but perhaps a compromise, she can age like Anne Margot.

    I don't know who that is, but I've reconsidered my position.

    If Mirror Leeta is not old, I want the reason to be that the Terran Empire discovered the Briar Patch and the Ba'ku. You can imagine where this is going.

  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    lordinsane wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.
    Certainly Picard didn't seem to be slowing down all that much by Nemesis, and he was 74 at the time.

    Exactly. I don't understand why people have to complain about such details. Medical technology is 395 years more advanced and yet they still think 70 is "old".

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  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.


    I just cant imagine an 130 old person. Should they look like something from Futurama?
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  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    lordinsane wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.
    Certainly Picard didn't seem to be slowing down all that much by Nemesis, and he was 74 at the time.

    Exactly. I don't understand why people have to complain about such details. Medical technology is 395 years more advanced and yet they still think 70 is "old".

    Except we have many examples of characters not benefiting from this medical technology. People dying of old age and poor health is a consistent theme in Star Trek. There are many new and exciting diseases in the future that people have to deal with and even if they're consistently living to be over 120 years, the quality of their life is ever in doubt.

    Here's an 80 year old Jadiza Dax, a Joined-Trill.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/d/d8/Jadzia_dax_future_the_visitor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060710025523&path-prefix=en

    Here's a 95 year old Jake Sisko, a human.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/47/Jake_Sisko,_2450.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050825182914&path-prefix=en
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,788 Arc User

    Leeta is not human. It is sort of pointless to compare her aging to humans.
  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    jslyn wrote: »
    Leeta is not human. It is sort of pointless to compare her aging to humans.

    Kai Winn. Unfortunately, there's no age attributed to her.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/0/08/Winn_adami.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120407203952&path-prefix=en

    Arbiter Els Renora. Age 100.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/4e/Els_Renora.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090721194632&path-prefix=en
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,788 Arc User
    I am not saying that she won't age. I am saying that there is no reason to say that she would age like a human. Maybe Bajoran's maintain a certain appearance until they are, like, ninety-five and then age quickly for the next few years.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,897 Community Moderator
    I'm wondering how a Bajoran ended up leading the TERRAN Empire. :/
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    robyvision wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.


    I just cant imagine an 130 old person. Should they look like something from Futurama?
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    Bones was in the first episode of TNG and it was stated by data that he was 137 year old at the time. SO a 137 year old would look like this in Star Trek.

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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,788 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    I'm wondering how a Bajoran ended up leading the TERRAN Empire. :/

    Would you believe assassination of the former leader followed by a declaration of usurpation?

  • lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    jslyn wrote: »
    I am not saying that she won't age. I am saying that there is no reason to say that she would age like a human. Maybe Bajoran's maintain a certain appearance until they are, like, ninety-five and then age quickly for the next few years.
    For that matter Els Renora seems sprightly enough for a 100 year old. Clearly fairly aged, yes, and Leeta should certainly seem older than she was when last she was seen, but not necessarily equivalent to a modern human 70-year old.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    I'm wondering how a Bajoran ended up leading the TERRAN Empire. :/
    Romulan mindset, Cardassian knives in the back, Seven of Nine's assets, maybe a stolen Iaidon Dreadnought from pacifist Mirror!Iconians or a temporal incursion that went horribly right for the Bajorans, forcing Mirror!Kagran and Mirror!Iconian council to team up and require the Prime universe's help.

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,897 Community Moderator
    jslyn wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    I'm wondering how a Bajoran ended up leading the TERRAN Empire. :/

    Would you believe assassination of the former leader followed by a declaration of usurpation?

    I just mean, it doesn't seem right unless a Terran is actually leading the Empire. ;)
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  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,788 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    I just mean, it doesn't seem right unless a Terran is actually leading the Empire. ;)


    She married in to it? She converted to Terranism? I guess. I don't know.
  • farshorefarshore Member Posts: 353 Arc User
    lordinsane wrote: »
    jslyn wrote: »
    I am not saying that she won't age. I am saying that there is no reason to say that she would age like a human. Maybe Bajoran's maintain a certain appearance until they are, like, ninety-five and then age quickly for the next few years.
    For that matter Els Renora seems sprightly enough for a 100 year old. Clearly fairly aged, yes, and Leeta should certainly seem older than she was when last she was seen, but not necessarily equivalent to a modern human 70-year old.

    I think the cast from Voyager Endgame is a good benchmark. Notably different from how they're presented in game though.

    Tom Paris.

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/a/ac/Tom_Paris_(2404).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20061013174057&amp;path-prefix=en

    Harry Kim.

    http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/3/3b/Harry_Kim,_2404.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20071029223520&amp;path-prefix=en

    Admiral Janeway (who looks younger than the previous two?)

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/3/37/Kathryn_Janeway,_2404.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080310031515&amp;path-prefix=en

    Obviously being an alternate time-line, maybe the Delta quadrant was kinder to some than others.
  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Leeta was working with the Terrans in the episode "The Emperor's New Cloak" where she later got to debrief Ezri.

    It's perfectly possible for her to gain control of the Terran Empire much like how mirror Hoshi did.
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  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    farshore wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    lordinsane wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    Considering humans can live to be 130+ years old in the 24th century, I would say 70 is no longer that old.
    Certainly Picard didn't seem to be slowing down all that much by Nemesis, and he was 74 at the time.

    Exactly. I don't understand why people have to complain about such details. Medical technology is 395 years more advanced and yet they still think 70 is "old".

    Except we have many examples of characters not benefiting from this medical technology. People dying of old age and poor health is a consistent theme in Star Trek. There are many new and exciting diseases in the future that people have to deal with and even if they're consistently living to be over 120 years, the quality of their life is ever in doubt.

    Here's an 80 year old Jadiza Dax, a Joined-Trill.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/d/d8/Jadzia_dax_future_the_visitor.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060710025523&path-prefix=en

    Here's a 95 year old Jake Sisko, a human.

    http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/4/47/Jake_Sisko,_2450.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050825182914&amp;path-prefix=en

    The funny thing is I would consider those scenes to be the real mistake. Star Trek is no stranger to forgetting its own established lore. You mention O'Brien acting old and taking the brunt of old jokes but even Dax said she expected him to reach 140.

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  • thomaselkinsthomaselkins Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    The funny thing is I would consider those scenes to be the real mistake.

    No, the real mistake is this,

    It must be difficult for people to sit down with so much butthurt going around. Seriously though, they established in TNG Season 1 Episode 1 that people in the future can live far longer than we do today. Subsequent episodes would randomly forget this for whatever reason but hey, let's not acknowledge they're the ones that are wrong. Let's blame it all on Cryptic.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Old is disagreeable to the teenage boy player base.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    thomaselkins wrote: »
    The funny thing is I would consider those scenes to be the real mistake.

    No, the real mistake is this, Cryptic takes up the actor current likeness and creates a head model from it but they dont age them outside giving them *gasp* white hair as in the studios they had specialized makeup artists that knew their craft so when they were told to age them, they did instead of just dyeing their hair white.

    This is notable because Temporal Ambassador have Tasha Yar looking exactly like Sela does despite Tasha being much younger (29 years old) as she looks like a 45 years old women and no, you cannot pull the card she was there for 15 years because you have Castillo that doesnt look like he is 45.

    Simply put, they decided to model Mirror Leeta as Chase Masterson looks about right now, as a 52 old women but I so say this, there are people that age well and there is Chase Masterson because hot damn.
    Sela probably ages slower because she's half Romulan and Romulans are longer lived than humans.
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    This is awful gossip, but apparently the actor trawls the UK conventions (she lives in the UK now) and is quite the cougar.
  • eiledoneiledon Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    latest?cb=20060815132602&path-prefix=en Chase as Leeta in DS9 (2371)(1995 approx)
    chase6a.jpg Chase earlier this year in The Flash on CW.

    That's roughly somewhere around 20 years between these two photos and Chase still looks great. I don't think another 20 years to STO timeline is going to turn her into a crone.
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