You know if they released content at the rate the pushed disposable ships on us this game would be brilliant. This game is like a master test of impulse control. "Here buy this new ship!" "Now buy this one!, now buy this three pack!!"
People have a hard enough time putting food on the table these days, or keeping the lights on. We don't have the cash to blow on a video game. One ship in STO is like the price of a tank of petrol in the U.S.
I do believe this game is free to play, you are not required to purchase anything to play the game. If someone in Real life is having a hard time feeding their family, I do think playing any video game would not be their priority, maybe spending their time teaching their children to read, or a second job, or going to school to get an education.
Impulse control is easy, you just have to have the maturity to USE IT.
Please, please, for the love of everything Star Trek, no more cruisers. Why do you have to make 95% of all T6 ships cruisers? Where is the escorts? The science ships? You are putting too much work into cruisers and ignoring one very important thing that even fits with your storyline. If we are at war, why isn't the powers (Star Fleet, KDF, and Romulan Republic) making any warships? You can say the cruisers are warships, but none of them are truly warships when you look at bridge officer slots and console configurations. They are all catered to Engineers.
You need to make more Escorts that are designed to fight the incoming war with the Iconians. We also need more science ships to heal the warships. I have done the math and you have only released 4 escorts that are T6 and they are all non zen ships while you have over 10 cruisers with nearly all easily available. Please don't destroy the game balance by only working on cruisers.
Oh I am sure the response to this is one of 3 things; 1. They will get to escorts when they finish the cruiser designs. 2. They have Tactical T6 ships via tactical design cruisers (which is the worst excuse I have heard, and yes I have heard that response when I first pointed out the tactical T6 ship count. And just having a cruiser with more tactical console slots is not a real tactical based ship. Look at all the so called tactical T6 cruisers. They still have either the same number of engineering slots as tactical, and do not have a tactical commander bridge officer slot) 3. You don't need a escort to have a tactical ship and it really doesn't matter what your toon class is since it's all based on bridge officers.
Please, please just put any more cruiser designs on hold until you release a couple zen T6 escorts and science ships. Pretty please?
actually I have a response you didn't list
4) well lets see...
the mainline ship that made star trek what it is.
the USS Enterprise.
1701 -Cruiser
1701-A -Cruiser
1701-B -Cruiser
1701-C -Cruiser
1701-D -Cruiser
1701-E -Cruiser
1701-F -Cruiser
Defiant-Escort
Voyager-Sci
Enterprise NX- Escort, though for its time i'm sure it was a cruiser.
(kind of a short list there)
the two most iconic captains in trek...Kirk and Picard....and almost every captain you see on screen...captain a cruiser.
Star trek is about the Cruisers most of the time. and it's about Starfleet most of the time. the game is the same as the shows in that way.
With bated breath, especially for the Galaxy and D'Deridex varients.
But honestly Cryptic, I'm getting a bit ship overloaded myself, There is only so much playtime I have and only so much room at my parking space at spacedock.
Can't you sell me a playable andriod, or hologram? It would make leveling a new character for Delta recruitment a little less tedious. :P
So first we pay for the ship. then we pay for the T5-U, and then we pay again to make the T-6?
And yet PWE sees NOTHING wrong with this?
They are totally different ships that have compatible costumes. They have different stats, different BOFF seating, Different Console slots, And different Console abilities.
If I recall correctly, it takes about 2ish weeks of work to make one ship, so these ships represent 6 weeks+ of work, since they also remade the Galaxy model, made a new Negh'var model, and made change to the exiting Negh'var model, its probably more like 8 weeks of work.
Many Free to Play games make their money selling just skins with no benefits attached to them.
So I say, you want 6-8 weeks worth of high skilled labor for free, and you see nothing wrong with that?
What's sad is that the biggest greed mongers aren't PWE or Cryptic, its all the scrubs that want their labor for free and try to hide their greed by calling a business selling its products as greed.
the mainline ship that made star trek what it is.
the USS Enterprise.
1701 -Cruiser
1701-A -Cruiser
1701-B -Cruiser
1701-C -Cruiser
1701-D -Cruiser
1701-E -Cruiser
1701-F -Cruiser
Defiant-Escort
Voyager-Sci
Enterprise NX- Escort, though for its time i'm sure it was a cruiser.
(kind of a short list there)
Question here, where in the show did they define Voyager as a science ship? How do we know it wasn't a cruiser of some type (likely Light).
Question here, where in the show did they define Voyager as a science ship? How do we know it wasn't a cruiser of some type (likely Light).
I know it's the classification this game gives it but I've always felt that if the Galaxy is a battleship (in Navy terms) then the Intrepid is a cruiser or destroyer (Navy terms)
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Question here, where in the show did they define Voyager as a science ship? How do we know it wasn't a cruiser of some type (likely Light).
I don't recall any specific time that they defined it as a sci ship, but I think everyone assumed that it was since it seemed to have very sci-focused abilities (e.g. advanced sensors, advanced computer, etc.). Given that William Ross's flagship during the Dominion War was an Intrepid-class, and that Voyager's intended first mission was a combat mission, I think it was supposed to be kind of like a light cruiser with advanced science abilities.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I know it's the classification this game gives it but I've always felt that if the Galaxy is a battleship (in Navy terms) then the Intrepid is a cruiser or destroyer (Navy terms)
The novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture flatly stated that the Enterprise could be called a Battleship/Dreadnought, but that the Federation naming convention avoided such warlike terms and listed it as a Heavy Cruiser instead, then dismissed that as incorrect and said that Exploration Vessel was a better classification.
Shrug.
But I agree, the Intrepid class came across as a Destroyer and a no frills one at that.
We don't even know if it was a successfully and widely used ship due to the nature of its "lost in space" show. It could have a been a failed design with only a few ever produced. Or a ship type widely used for patrol and other short range duties.
The novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture flatly stated that the Enterprise could be called a Battleship/Dreadnought, but that the Federation naming convention avoided such warlike terms and listed it as a Heavy Cruiser instead, then dismissed that as incorrect and said that Exploration Vessel was a better classification.
Shrug.
But I agree, the Intrepid class came across as a Destroyer and a no frills one at that.
We don't even know if it was a successfully and widely used ship due to the nature of its "lost in space" show. It could have a been a failed design with only a few ever produced. Or a ship type widely used for patrol and other short range duties.
I know that's not what Star Trek calls them. I was just drawing from my time in the US Navy.
Your pain runs deep.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I bought an Eclipse Intel Cruiser and thought that might be it for a long while but I might be coaxed in getting the Andromeda. Might wait out to see if they'll do another Sovreign but who knows.
It's time to meet the latest state-of-the-art iconic ships! The Tier 6 Adromeda, NegH"Tev, and D'khellra are launching with Delta Recruitment this Thursday!
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Also, where does it say that you need to be at 1/4 impulse to broadside? I can quite effectively use any one of my cruisers outfitted with beams and torpedoes at full throttle.
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As for the quarter impulse...that'll kill off some of a cruiser's defense and make it a less effective tank than it could be. If you have to slow a criuser down to 1/4, I'd contend you're not flying/building it right.
Have to agree.
I fly almost exclusively cruisers, and a couple sci / sci-focused ships. I don't even bother broadsiding - I use DBBs, and all manners of 360 weapons at the rear. And I'm up and down on the throttle all the time, pulling my ship through tight corners.
All types of ways to fly a cruiser. They're versatile ships.
So....When is the KDF going to get a Dreadnaught? How about making a dreadnaught version of the Negh'nvar now that you have updated it?
How is it that the aggressive warlike shooty faction not have a Big Ship of Doom, but the "we come in peace" and the steathy space bunny hugger factions get one?
While I'm not going to be buying any of these myself, I'm very glad to see them, on behalf of those who I know have been asking for them (for some time).
Not that the T6 Galaxy is most welcome, a T6 Fed Escort (probably based on the Defiant) is due more than another Cruiser.
Excluding non-Faction and Lock box ships, at T6 the Feds have:
1 Escort (Phantom)
Now 4 Cruisers (Eclipse, Guardian, Command and Andromeda)
3 Science (Scryer, Dauntless and Pathfinder)
I hope for a Pilot Ship 3 pack centred on an escort and its 3 variants (Tactical, Engineering and Science) and then as part of the iconic series the Defiant, BoP and T'Varo pack.
Seconded, we need some TAC ships, Maybe the Escort is just too small to be viable-fine, give us a Destroyer then.....something that can maneuver a lot better than a cruiser.
Right now I am NOT shelling out money until the ships and Comander/Intell/Pilot all syncho up a lot better. Your Carachter and Ship departments are out of synch and getting worse. Stop farming ship revenue for a while and focus on maybe altering the format for a bit.
IDEA FOR YOU! Instead of whole new ships, maybe come up with "Bridge Modules" and make Command, Pilot, and Intell versions...... Moduilar Bridges are nominally canon, and it would alowe an older ship to use a bridge module. The ship tailor seems to have some of the wiring already installed for that mechanic......... Your ship graphics guys can now shift their focus to inside/outside design of these modules, and also maybe come up with interiors to gi with each module plug-in.........
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is the Andromeda going to be included in the galaxy bundle?
I think not.... too bad
Still, if the devs would want us to still buy older ships, they should make the consoles on new shiny T6 to be a sets with the older ones.
Heck - it would be enough for me if the Andromeda could use Galaxy set (Saucer separation, Cloak, Atnimatter spread - the last one is not ship type locked - i know)
It would be great if the new consoles would make sets with some older - unliked ships consoles
(and people would whine more about needing to put more money to the game :P )
Heck - it would be enough for me if the Andromeda could use Galaxy set (Saucer separation, Cloak, Atnimatter spread - the last one is not ship type locked - i know)
It would be great if the new consoles would make sets with some older - unliked ships consoles
(and people would whine more about needing to put more money to the game :P )
If it's like the Pathfinder or New Bugship, that'll be exactly it. If not a new set bonus, then at least it'll be able to equip the other Galaxy consoles.
UGH!!! we finally get T-6 iconic ships and what are some of the first posts i see?
B%^ching and complaining about how there are other ships more iconic or why not this other ship....seriously cant y'all be happy? we just got 3 new T-6 iconics.
This is something i thought would NEVER happen and yet here it is
I for one say thank you cryptic nice work they look sweet
Looks good. Maybe I'll get the T6 D'Deridex depending on how my dilithium supply and zen stipend looks. If not now, I'll wait till it's on sale.
I do believe that buying the same ships we already own again is ethically questionable, but the playerbase has apparently spoken and made it loud and clear that they don't care.
UGH!!! we finally get T-6 iconic ships and what are some of the first posts i see?
B%^ching and complaining about how there are other ships more iconic or why not this other ship....seriously cant y'all be happy? we just got 3 new T-6 iconics.
This is something i thought would NEVER happen and yet here it is
I for one say thank you cryptic nice work they look sweet
I know, eh? Cryptic can do anything, and players will complain about it. Like everything, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. No matter what this company does, it's apparently terrible... And then when they do what several players have asked for in this very forum, it's still somehow a terrible thing? Just scroll through the recent forums in General or the Federation Shipyards - more T6 ships is what a lot of players have been asking for, specifically T6 versions of existing Trek ships.
But why the sudden outpouring of hate for it now? Why, the moment we get some T6 variants of classic ships, are at least half of the posts in the thread whining about things? Silly things like how terrible the stats are (without even seeing them yet), how it's somehow the 'continued death' of T5 ships (which is false - T5 / T5-U is still great at end-game, and will be for a long time), how it's invalidating players' previous purchases (seriously, to anyone who complains that... did you really expect a free T6 upgrade? Why and how did you come to that conclusion?), or how these ships aren't 'iconic' enough (just because it's not your favourite ship, doesn't mean it's not someone else's - your ship might just be around the corner).
That all said, this is great stuff Some love for all factions, great re-envisionings of iconic ships from the TNG-era, and even some freebie updates to older ship textures.
You know what's great? Taking the D'Deridex and making it even scarier.
...okay, now I'm feeling that D'khellra design. Looks cool as heck, especially those nacelles. I'll probably still match parts with the original D'deridex, though.
And the more I see of the Andromeda, the more I love it. I didn't expect to love it this much, as it looks a little too harshly angular to be a Galaxy variant, but... dang. This may just be my third favorite of Cryptic's original Fed ship designs, behind the Guardian and the Avenger.
The Negh'Tev is kind of meh, though, tbh. The "saucer" looks a little too round to fit with the rest of the design. Easily fixed in the ship tailor, of course, but still.
This actually follows what I had suggested in a previous thread like a month ago so it makes me happy. Now I just wish they'd do it for all the iconic ships especially the ones from the show (and all the other Enterprises.)
I'm not a big fan of the Galaxy, don't hate it either and it's a good ship, but it still deserves the love it's getting for being such an integral part of Star Trek. Glad to see the works being done on it and the Klingons/Romulan ships as well.
Though I'll say I'm lucky...I only ever bought a single T5 ship and that was the Tac Vesta (Aventine) and got the upgrade pack for it...so it's as close to T6 as a T5 ship can really get and it performs like a dream. Now I can just wait for more T6 ships to hit the street and get the ones I want :P
Hoping they'll keep doing it in 3's like they did this one so each faction can get some attention. Also looking forward to what I can make the ships look like with all the previous ship customizations. Love the Andromeda looks but might swap out the Gal's nacelles.
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I do believe this game is free to play, you are not required to purchase anything to play the game. If someone in Real life is having a hard time feeding their family, I do think playing any video game would not be their priority, maybe spending their time teaching their children to read, or a second job, or going to school to get an education.
Impulse control is easy, you just have to have the maturity to USE IT.
actually I have a response you didn't list
4) well lets see...
the mainline ship that made star trek what it is.
the USS Enterprise.
1701 -Cruiser
1701-A -Cruiser
1701-B -Cruiser
1701-C -Cruiser
1701-D -Cruiser
1701-E -Cruiser
1701-F -Cruiser
Defiant-Escort
Voyager-Sci
Enterprise NX- Escort, though for its time i'm sure it was a cruiser.
(kind of a short list there)
the two most iconic captains in trek...Kirk and Picard....and almost every captain you see on screen...captain a cruiser.
Star trek is about the Cruisers most of the time. and it's about Starfleet most of the time. the game is the same as the shows in that way.
With bated breath, especially for the Galaxy and D'Deridex varients.
But honestly Cryptic, I'm getting a bit ship overloaded myself, There is only so much playtime I have and only so much room at my parking space at spacedock.
Can't you sell me a playable andriod, or hologram? It would make leveling a new character for Delta recruitment a little less tedious. :P
They are totally different ships that have compatible costumes. They have different stats, different BOFF seating, Different Console slots, And different Console abilities.
If I recall correctly, it takes about 2ish weeks of work to make one ship, so these ships represent 6 weeks+ of work, since they also remade the Galaxy model, made a new Negh'var model, and made change to the exiting Negh'var model, its probably more like 8 weeks of work.
Many Free to Play games make their money selling just skins with no benefits attached to them.
So I say, you want 6-8 weeks worth of high skilled labor for free, and you see nothing wrong with that?
What's sad is that the biggest greed mongers aren't PWE or Cryptic, its all the scrubs that want their labor for free and try to hide their greed by calling a business selling its products as greed.
Question here, where in the show did they define Voyager as a science ship? How do we know it wasn't a cruiser of some type (likely Light).
I know it's the classification this game gives it but I've always felt that if the Galaxy is a battleship (in Navy terms) then the Intrepid is a cruiser or destroyer (Navy terms)
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
I don't recall any specific time that they defined it as a sci ship, but I think everyone assumed that it was since it seemed to have very sci-focused abilities (e.g. advanced sensors, advanced computer, etc.). Given that William Ross's flagship during the Dominion War was an Intrepid-class, and that Voyager's intended first mission was a combat mission, I think it was supposed to be kind of like a light cruiser with advanced science abilities.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
The novelization of Star Trek the Motion Picture flatly stated that the Enterprise could be called a Battleship/Dreadnought, but that the Federation naming convention avoided such warlike terms and listed it as a Heavy Cruiser instead, then dismissed that as incorrect and said that Exploration Vessel was a better classification.
Shrug.
But I agree, the Intrepid class came across as a Destroyer and a no frills one at that.
We don't even know if it was a successfully and widely used ship due to the nature of its "lost in space" show. It could have a been a failed design with only a few ever produced. Or a ship type widely used for patrol and other short range duties.
I know that's not what Star Trek calls them. I was just drawing from my time in the US Navy.
Let us explore it... together. Each man hides a secret pain. It must be exposed and reckoned with. It must be dragged from the darkness and forced into the light. Share your pain. Share your pain with me... and gain strength from the sharing.
too bad i have no charas that use the galaxy tho
but hopefully this will make some stfs look a little more trek with galaxys fighting borg ahha
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is the Andromeda going to be included in the galaxy bundle?
Have to agree.
I fly almost exclusively cruisers, and a couple sci / sci-focused ships. I don't even bother broadsiding - I use DBBs, and all manners of 360 weapons at the rear. And I'm up and down on the throttle all the time, pulling my ship through tight corners.
All types of ways to fly a cruiser. They're versatile ships.
So....When is the KDF going to get a Dreadnaught? How about making a dreadnaught version of the Negh'nvar now that you have updated it?
How is it that the aggressive warlike shooty faction not have a Big Ship of Doom, but the "we come in peace" and the steathy space bunny hugger factions get one?
What exactly is the malfunction here? :mad:
I dont think people like flying space doughnuts.
Seconded, we need some TAC ships, Maybe the Escort is just too small to be viable-fine, give us a Destroyer then.....something that can maneuver a lot better than a cruiser.
Right now I am NOT shelling out money until the ships and Comander/Intell/Pilot all syncho up a lot better. Your Carachter and Ship departments are out of synch and getting worse. Stop farming ship revenue for a while and focus on maybe altering the format for a bit.
IDEA FOR YOU! Instead of whole new ships, maybe come up with "Bridge Modules" and make Command, Pilot, and Intell versions...... Moduilar Bridges are nominally canon, and it would alowe an older ship to use a bridge module. The ship tailor seems to have some of the wiring already installed for that mechanic......... Your ship graphics guys can now shift their focus to inside/outside design of these modules, and also maybe come up with interiors to gi with each module plug-in.........
I think not.... too bad
Still, if the devs would want us to still buy older ships, they should make the consoles on new shiny T6 to be a sets with the older ones.
Heck - it would be enough for me if the Andromeda could use Galaxy set (Saucer separation, Cloak, Atnimatter spread - the last one is not ship type locked - i know)
It would be great if the new consoles would make sets with some older - unliked ships consoles
(and people would whine more about needing to put more money to the game :P )
If it's like the Pathfinder or New Bugship, that'll be exactly it. If not a new set bonus, then at least it'll be able to equip the other Galaxy consoles.
B%^ching and complaining about how there are other ships more iconic or why not this other ship....seriously cant y'all be happy? we just got 3 new T-6 iconics.
This is something i thought would NEVER happen and yet here it is
I for one say thank you cryptic nice work they look sweet
I do believe that buying the same ships we already own again is ethically questionable, but the playerbase has apparently spoken and made it loud and clear that they don't care.
So, here's to more ships we can rebuy, I guess.
I know, eh? Cryptic can do anything, and players will complain about it. Like everything, it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. No matter what this company does, it's apparently terrible... And then when they do what several players have asked for in this very forum, it's still somehow a terrible thing? Just scroll through the recent forums in General or the Federation Shipyards - more T6 ships is what a lot of players have been asking for, specifically T6 versions of existing Trek ships.
But why the sudden outpouring of hate for it now? Why, the moment we get some T6 variants of classic ships, are at least half of the posts in the thread whining about things? Silly things like how terrible the stats are (without even seeing them yet), how it's somehow the 'continued death' of T5 ships (which is false - T5 / T5-U is still great at end-game, and will be for a long time), how it's invalidating players' previous purchases (seriously, to anyone who complains that... did you really expect a free T6 upgrade? Why and how did you come to that conclusion?), or how these ships aren't 'iconic' enough (just because it's not your favourite ship, doesn't mean it's not someone else's - your ship might just be around the corner).
That all said, this is great stuff
...okay, now I'm feeling that D'khellra design. Looks cool as heck, especially those nacelles. I'll probably still match parts with the original D'deridex, though.
And the more I see of the Andromeda, the more I love it. I didn't expect to love it this much, as it looks a little too harshly angular to be a Galaxy variant, but... dang. This may just be my third favorite of Cryptic's original Fed ship designs, behind the Guardian and the Avenger.
The Negh'Tev is kind of meh, though, tbh. The "saucer" looks a little too round to fit with the rest of the design. Easily fixed in the ship tailor, of course, but still.
Thanks for the screenshots, Trendy!
I'm not a big fan of the Galaxy, don't hate it either and it's a good ship, but it still deserves the love it's getting for being such an integral part of Star Trek. Glad to see the works being done on it and the Klingons/Romulan ships as well.
Though I'll say I'm lucky...I only ever bought a single T5 ship and that was the Tac Vesta (Aventine) and got the upgrade pack for it...so it's as close to T6 as a T5 ship can really get and it performs like a dream. Now I can just wait for more T6 ships to hit the street and get the ones I want :P
Hoping they'll keep doing it in 3's like they did this one so each faction can get some attention. Also looking forward to what I can make the ships look like with all the previous ship customizations. Love the Andromeda looks but might swap out the Gal's nacelles.