I am a little confuse on the uniform part, as it lists 3 different vessels besides these 3 new ones.
Where do the other 3 exactly come from? Intel? Command? Regular C-store? Temporal Lockbox? Veteran?
Each of these new ships has their own new costume, but can also use parts from ships within the same family. The Andromeda Class Exploration Cruiser gains access to parts from the Galaxy and Monarch costumes and can also use parts from the Venture Class if you own that starship. The NeghTev Heavy Battlecruiser has access to both the NeghVar and the QuDaj costumes. The DKhellra Warbird Battlecruiser can use the DDeridex costume, and if you own the Dridthau costume you can also use its interchangeable costume parts.
In addition to all this, all NeghVar variants (including the NeghTev) will have access to the new voDleH costume for free
Didn't realize the D'Deridex even had a costume? Nor, did I realize that a bunch of these are supposed to have uniforms available with the ship(s)!
So basically so are saying that its ok that we have to choose a style of game we dont enjoy playing?
if you like broadsiding and being like a pebble in space go ahead,i dont have nothing against that,there lies the liberty and having the right to decide which way i want to play.
Now it just seems that Cryptic wants us all to fly slow,chunky cruisers.../yawn
Blame it in Cryptic,why were people using the Tactical/escort combo? maybe because they were at fault when they released the game,if you get higher dps and if you're smart and you can survive why fly a slower much less op vessel?
Blame them,they are the ones that forgot the holy trinity in this game,seems like its there but in the end there isnt one...yeah cruisers=tanks? nah escort will do fine,science=heals? nah escort will do fine.
So again,apart from the fact that i get bigger numbers with my escorts i love the way i need to keep on my toes and move around,not just be at 1/4 impulse and broadside and broadside until i just log out from pure boredom...
Are they saying that you MUST buy a new cruiser ship to play the game? The answer to that is NO, however the devs are answering the many players who wanted a higher number of cruisers that are playable at endgame. More escorts will come, but they aren't going to give them overnight.
Once again, I say that you do NOT HAVE TO BUY THE ICONIC CRUISER PACK TO PLAY THE DAMNED GAME! *facepalm*
Also, where does it say that you need to be at 1/4 impulse to broadside? I can quite effectively use any one of my cruisers outfitted with beams and torpedoes at full throttle. As well as this, you seem to think that an escort can hull tank quite perfectly (which is where cruisers excel), and an escort group can heal themselves much better than having a dedicated science vessel shield/hull healer. Apart from the "slower, much less op vessel", beams are far better than cannons ever were unless you have a hit-and-run escort built with a full set of cannons.
So excuse me for being the argubly-smarter player and sticking with what should have been the better off choice in terms of survivability.
And my T5U Ody just became obsolete. Thanks for nothing.
... How?
Nothing they're doing is making T5 / T5-U obsolete. It's just not the newest shiny thing in the playground anymore. That doesn't make it obsolete in any way.
But if you were awesome in the Oddy before, you'll still be just as awesome now. The ship itself is still great, and will still perform fantastic at end-game. T6 just has all the extra bells and whistles - fun gimmicks and such. They're great, but they haven't killed T5 / T5-U.
Your Oddy is not obsolete. T5U ships are more than comparable to T6. One extra console slot or bridge officer ability is not going to make or break the game where end content is concerned. If you truly think that these ships make your Oddy obsolete, then you're not playing very well. :P
All T5U ships are still prime. People don't need T6 ships to be victorious.
A well built scimitar will still obliterate pretty much anything in it's path and is capable of out performing any current T6 ship. My old ship was retired in favour of revamping my old Odyssey both of which are T5-U. Now if I'm going to part with my Ody, then these new ships have at least got to be on par with it. And a flashy console thats more likely to be a gimmick than practically useful ain't going to cut it. Despite my love for Galaxy class design, I look at it from a purely performance point of view now.
Also quoting 'cause yes
The ships that you were kingmaker with before, you'll still wipe the floor with now. T5 / T5-U is not obsolete, and a lot of players need to realize that. I love my Aelahl, but my Ar'kif is still great. Heaven forbid I have a fleet of ships at my disposal - 'cause I'm a Fleet Admiral now :cool:
But I do love watching players in T6 ships think they're flying win-boats... then explode because that's the only thing they thought they needed to win.
Love how the moment that a handful of ships get the T6 treatment that so many are asking for, the complainers come out in full force :cool:
Yes. I mean, the Galaxy being made viable (and I don't think you get anymore viable in STO at present than T6) had to be one of the hottest and never ending requests on this forum. So people finally got it. Not quite as you wanted I know but at this stage, I'd just be thankful it happened.
awesome....now I can count the minutes until DDeridex owners start whining about how they should be getting a free upgrade to the T6 version :rolleyes:
..you mean there are actually people who own that ship? All this time I thought it was an NPC only ship o.O
"Why all the sales"?
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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Hm. For an iconic ship set? Yeah, this one was a good choice. We probably should get escorts and raiders next, though... the tiny ships. Defiant, B'rel, T'varo.
I'd prefer Prommie over Defiant myself, but that's just me. Defiant's the better choice overall.
I'd love to see the Advanced Escort as well. The Promethous is a great design and in STO, one of those ships you can adapt into so many different looks it can look like a totally different class with a creative player on the ship builder. A 2410 skin would be interesting as well, particularly with some of the Pathfinder design themes.
Alas, I have a feeling the Defiant will get the next T6. Which is a bit daft imo as the Phantom is out there and pretty much a jacked up Defiant anyway.
Odyssey will still be superior even if the Andromeda got a Pathfinder Layout in Eng and with Command.
For one, the Odyssey still has a LtCmdr Universal seat, rather than the Eng LtCmdr seat the Andromeda will likely have. And for two, the Odyssey's console set has more use and benefits than the Galaxy's ever did (not that saucer separation on either were all that great, given the stupidity of the pet AI, much less the Aquarius separation). Whether or not the Andromeda's console is ship-bound or unbound is the other thing. If it's unbound (the initial blog implies it is), then it can be used on the Odyssey just as well. If it's not, then it just means the Andromeda can eke out a bit more power from higher subsystem cap and from temporarily boosted defense.
If whining that an Lt Hybrid seat instantly busts T5Us to worthlessness, then clearly you're just wanting the new shiny, even if it won't have a notable impact on your gameplay.
In fact, Cryptic is doing the hesitant adopters and stubborn holdouts a favor; invariably something at the LtCmdr or Cmdr level is going to bust, and get nerfed. See SS, Kinetic Magnet, and Ionic Turbulence. At least the late adopters or holdouts can look and say "hah, you early adopters got screwed, so I saved $$$".
Also, as a reminder, do be aware that Pilot Specialization is going Primary once S10 hits, and with it, the inevitable Pilot-spec capable ships. Which is roughly 8 weeks from Thursday. So if you're not in a rush to collect this trio, start saving, and wait and see what comes out and how well it performs at some point.
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Of course i do not have to,i would buy an escort but guess what there isnt one apart from the flat chested prom date called "the Phantom"....so,where does that leave me and several other players?
P.S: TNG overrated,still cant believe people is into those ships,ugly ugly ugly...
Well, I think Voyager and the Intrepid are overrated, and that the Intrepid looks like a garden spade with a pituitary problem...
Game has officially changed its name from STO to Turtle Race in Space,come aboard folks while you broadisde on your cruiser you can make a PB&J sandwich,reinstall windows,clip your nails,make a pi
Of course i do not have to,i would buy an escort but guess what there isnt one apart from the flat chested prom date called "the Phantom"....so,where does that leave me and several other players?
P.S: TNG overrated,still cant believe people is into those ships,ugly ugly ugly...
Whoever said that you needed a T6 ship to do anything endgame? Yes, it is more effective and more efficient but you have never been made to pick the "flat chested prom date" which other people may like the look of.
All i wanted to hear,that they do know that there is a crowd out there that wants a choice of escorts.
The way i see it all those people in the galaxy thread were also spamming and & or trolling,but yeah point taken,seems some people cant voice their opinion,ill shut up now and just hope the "eventually" isnt 2 years done the road...
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They weren't spamming it, as the Galaxy was well and truly underpowered as opposed to the Defiant and Intrepid due to the poor choice of engineering skills available at Ensign level by the time the game was released. It wasn't multiple threads either (to my knowledge), just one thread that had a lot of momentum (well over 1000 pages last I checked). And that was the most recent iteration of that thread, which had been closed and reopened several times by devs and/or community moderators.
im not very happy for another cruiser, nor the continuance of the trait disparity. im definitely not happy about this system of upgrading ships either.
i am happy to see another kdf ship, although it doesnt even begin to tempt me to open my wallet.. too bad its not a sci ship, or better yet a BoP...
Yeah, but was that meant to be taken 100% literally or was it just flavor text for the write up of the pilot specialization? If you think about it, they're introducing a new BOff specialization (that has quite a few appealing abilities), but they don't have any ships that can actually take advantage of it yet. It makes much more sense that the recently announced ships will make use of piloting than Command or Intel.
Well the Samsar came out shortly before the Command Specialization and we got access to a Command BOFF in the mission so we'd have one before the grind.
It's possible that they'd pre release a ship with the slot.
On the other hand, these big cruisers just scream "we are the Command flagships that fleet commanders fly around in"
The key words there are "at this time" lol. Qualifiers for the win, right? I wouldn't be surprised if they released T6 versions of all the previous ships as time passes. It's easier than coming up with wholly new ships, since the assets are already in place. Just needs some slight tweaking to the stats and maybe some new costume parts.
Indeed this bodes well for my dreams about a Nemesis accurate Sovereign.
And a tier 6 Bird of Prey is one of my dreams.
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The key words there are "at this time" lol. Qualifiers for the win, right? I wouldn't be surprised if they released T6 versions of all the previous ships as time passes. It's easier than coming up with wholly new ships, since the assets are already in place. Just needs some slight tweaking to the stats and maybe some new costume parts.
Indeed. Those very words are the reason why I didn't have issue with Cryptic not releasing a T6 Galaxy or Defiant when Intel was the only thing. Especially since they already have sufficiently close analogues in the Guardian and Phantom "at that time". Except some people were straight up anal about needing a T6 Galaxy and Defiant right then and there, moreso with the Pathfinder's release.
Now with 2 Primary Specializations going on 3, they can safely release those ships "at this time" without them overshadowing or being overshadowed by similar ships in that lineup.
Because honestly, if they did release an Intel Galaxy and Defiant back when Intel was the only thing, there would be whining and complaining over how they're both inferior to the Guardian and Phantom, and delusional conspiracy theories over Cryptic "deliberately making them worse" to sell their new originals.
I do hope they continue to follow through the other bit of their statement and pad out their Intel and Command Specialist ship lines with more original ships though. At least a Command Escort and Carrier for all factions and an Intel Sci vessel for both KDF and Rom. As well as an Intel Cruiser for Romulans, and an Intel Destroyer for KDF.
Reread my post,never said i needed a T6 ship,either for endgame or anything else?
Just saying i want the choice of an T6 escort ship,why should cruisers have 9 or 10 different ones to choose from? why should science have 3 T6 ships to choose from? and final question why should escort users have only ONE T6 escort to choose from?
probably because escorts are so strong it might be harder for the Devs to make new ones without pumping them up even more
I see the Defiant getting a T-6 upgrade next
And then the Nebula science ship in the same type of bundle simple because they will sell the best
Being TNG ships of course :P
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Costume means ship model.
Are they saying that you MUST buy a new cruiser ship to play the game? The answer to that is NO, however the devs are answering the many players who wanted a higher number of cruisers that are playable at endgame. More escorts will come, but they aren't going to give them overnight.
Once again, I say that you do NOT HAVE TO BUY THE ICONIC CRUISER PACK TO PLAY THE DAMNED GAME! *facepalm*
Also, where does it say that you need to be at 1/4 impulse to broadside? I can quite effectively use any one of my cruisers outfitted with beams and torpedoes at full throttle. As well as this, you seem to think that an escort can hull tank quite perfectly (which is where cruisers excel), and an escort group can heal themselves much better than having a dedicated science vessel shield/hull healer. Apart from the "slower, much less op vessel", beams are far better than cannons ever were unless you have a hit-and-run escort built with a full set of cannons.
So excuse me for being the argubly-smarter player and sticking with what should have been the better off choice in terms of survivability.
... How?
Nothing they're doing is making T5 / T5-U obsolete. It's just not the newest shiny thing in the playground anymore. That doesn't make it obsolete in any way.
But if you were awesome in the Oddy before, you'll still be just as awesome now. The ship itself is still great, and will still perform fantastic at end-game. T6 just has all the extra bells and whistles - fun gimmicks and such. They're great, but they haven't killed T5 / T5-U.
Quoting 'cause yes
Also quoting 'cause yes
The ships that you were kingmaker with before, you'll still wipe the floor with now. T5 / T5-U is not obsolete, and a lot of players need to realize that. I love my Aelahl, but my Ar'kif is still great. Heaven forbid I have a fleet of ships at my disposal - 'cause I'm a Fleet Admiral now :cool:
But I do love watching players in T6 ships think they're flying win-boats... then explode because that's the only thing they thought they needed to win.
Yes. I mean, the Galaxy being made viable (and I don't think you get anymore viable in STO at present than T6) had to be one of the hottest and never ending requests on this forum. So people finally got it. Not quite as you wanted I know but at this stage, I'd just be thankful it happened.
*droooooooooooooool*
Trendy, I have a problem with STO - I keep throwing money at the screen and nothing happens.
..you mean there are actually people who own that ship? All this time I thought it was an NPC only ship o.O
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
-jonsills, 'Cryptic Why the sales..instead of Fixing XP leveling and this game?'
You must play with your eyes closed. The D'D is flown everywhere
I'd love to see the Advanced Escort as well. The Promethous is a great design and in STO, one of those ships you can adapt into so many different looks it can look like a totally different class with a creative player on the ship builder. A 2410 skin would be interesting as well, particularly with some of the Pathfinder design themes.
Alas, I have a feeling the Defiant will get the next T6. Which is a bit daft imo as the Phantom is out there and pretty much a jacked up Defiant anyway.
For one, the Odyssey still has a LtCmdr Universal seat, rather than the Eng LtCmdr seat the Andromeda will likely have. And for two, the Odyssey's console set has more use and benefits than the Galaxy's ever did (not that saucer separation on either were all that great, given the stupidity of the pet AI, much less the Aquarius separation). Whether or not the Andromeda's console is ship-bound or unbound is the other thing. If it's unbound (the initial blog implies it is), then it can be used on the Odyssey just as well. If it's not, then it just means the Andromeda can eke out a bit more power from higher subsystem cap and from temporarily boosted defense.
If whining that an Lt Hybrid seat instantly busts T5Us to worthlessness, then clearly you're just wanting the new shiny, even if it won't have a notable impact on your gameplay.
In fact, Cryptic is doing the hesitant adopters and stubborn holdouts a favor; invariably something at the LtCmdr or Cmdr level is going to bust, and get nerfed. See SS, Kinetic Magnet, and Ionic Turbulence. At least the late adopters or holdouts can look and say "hah, you early adopters got screwed, so I saved $$$".
Also, as a reminder, do be aware that Pilot Specialization is going Primary once S10 hits, and with it, the inevitable Pilot-spec capable ships. Which is roughly 8 weeks from Thursday. So if you're not in a rush to collect this trio, start saving, and wait and see what comes out and how well it performs at some point.
Honestly, I dont see it, period. Unless its a PVP ship? I avoid that whole section of the game so if its prolific there I wouldnt see it.
And a merry freaking Christmas to you too, Ebenezer.
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Whoever said that you needed a T6 ship to do anything endgame? Yes, it is more effective and more efficient but you have never been made to pick the "flat chested prom date" which other people may like the look of.
They weren't spamming it, as the Galaxy was well and truly underpowered as opposed to the Defiant and Intrepid due to the poor choice of engineering skills available at Ensign level by the time the game was released. It wasn't multiple threads either (to my knowledge), just one thread that had a lot of momentum (well over 1000 pages last I checked). And that was the most recent iteration of that thread, which had been closed and reopened several times by devs and/or community moderators.
i am happy to see another kdf ship, although it doesnt even begin to tempt me to open my wallet.. too bad its not a sci ship, or better yet a BoP...
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Well the Samsar came out shortly before the Command Specialization and we got access to a Command BOFF in the mission so we'd have one before the grind.
It's possible that they'd pre release a ship with the slot.
On the other hand, these big cruisers just scream "we are the Command flagships that fleet commanders fly around in"
Indeed this bodes well for my dreams about a Nemesis accurate Sovereign.
And a tier 6 Bird of Prey is one of my dreams.
Awesome. Thank you. She looks beautiful. Only thing missing now is the original atzec hull pattern on it.
In answer to your post just then, there are more cruisers at T6 because of the same reason there were more escorts at T5 and below.
Now with 2 Primary Specializations going on 3, they can safely release those ships "at this time" without them overshadowing or being overshadowed by similar ships in that lineup.
Because honestly, if they did release an Intel Galaxy and Defiant back when Intel was the only thing, there would be whining and complaining over how they're both inferior to the Guardian and Phantom, and delusional conspiracy theories over Cryptic "deliberately making them worse" to sell their new originals.
I do hope they continue to follow through the other bit of their statement and pad out their Intel and Command Specialist ship lines with more original ships though. At least a Command Escort and Carrier for all factions and an Intel Sci vessel for both KDF and Rom. As well as an Intel Cruiser for Romulans, and an Intel Destroyer for KDF.
Yup ... , that's the Achilles Heel of this deal for me .
... purty can only get you so far ...
Now I'm starting to suspect we aren't getting a galaxy interior
probably because escorts are so strong it might be harder for the Devs to make new ones without pumping them up even more
I see the Defiant getting a T-6 upgrade next
And then the Nebula science ship in the same type of bundle simple because they will sell the best
Being TNG ships of course :P
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse