Yes, why do you think that making false comparisons helps whatever point you're trying to make? WBC do not celebrate, they protest. There are very clear differences here, and backtracking or changing course doesn't undo your previous fallacy.
From the perspective of the people they and you are f*cking with, it's the same thing. You're not funny except to yourself and it's debatable whether you ever were.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
They are going to BURY their copy of WOK in their back yard so they can visit Mr. Spock when they feel down.
So? They're ridiculous. But does that give you any justification to disrupt them beyond your own self-indulgence? I don't believe it does.
Besides, aren't you the guy who said you only came back to the game because certain individuals had left? I had assumed it was this crowd that had driven you off, but now I'm curious as to what type of people really affected you so much as to stop playing.
"Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
It's not the disco balls and party poppers themselves, but the intention behind their use. Dental have provided a lot of amusement in the past, but taking advantage of others' grief is scraping the bottom of the barrel now guys.
ALL of this is the most blatant disrespect I have seen lately. A man who was a good and decent human being passed away today. A man who was a truly talented artist in far more ways than just being Spock has departed this existence. His family has suffered a terrible loss. His fans are now certain he will never again present new material. His friends and colleagues will no longer have the pleasure of working with him.
And you lot are in here arguing over Disco Balls and comparing each other to those crazies from Westboro Baptist and dragging out Terms of Service Sections. Just to prove your grief is bigger than the other fellows and you are being respectful in the "correct" fashion and its those other two year olds who are the problem.
Dear God! I am soo angry right now! The whole bloody lot of you make me embarrassed to tell people I am a Star Trek fan. Because if this is how 'Star Trek fans' act, then I truly wish Gene Roddenberry had never had the idea in the first place.
Tim Wilson was right - It is a sorry world. Full of sorry people. Who somehow manage to pollute this forum and STO everysingleday with all of this high school lunch room drama crapola.
A pox on all your houses.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
From the perspective of the people they and you are f*cking with, it's the same thing. You're not funny except to yourself and it's debatable whether you ever were.
I find YOU insulting and distasteful. Celebrating the life of an Actor whose work we admire in a video game based on the role he best known for... is not anywhere close to the nasty things you are comparing them to.
Please stop now and rethink what you have posted.
Wakes / Celebrations of life ect are a standard practice throughout the world including in the united states.
No one is having a party at the mans Funeral... some of us have chosen to celebrate the mans wonderful life rather then morn his passing.
That some people choose to react to that with words they feel they must &*($%$ out and compare us to distasteful hateful people is sad and offensive.
So can the Dentist's explain why if they want a raging disco party (and aren't just trolling) they don't arrange for it in one particular instance instead of popping around to random ones popping the balls? Ya, I thought not.
Notice why they all avoid this? Try to derail make-up BS about people not crying at celebrations of life. I've been to funerals, wakes, celebrations of life and every single one has had people in tears. The fact is they can't give you a reason as to why they can't go to one particular instance to do this because they don't have one. It's about trolling. Anyone with an IQ over 85 can see through their lame excuses and "reasoning". Professional trolls troll. The sad part, is that nobody in Cryptic has the balls to deal with.
It's not the disco balls and party poppers themselves, but the intention behind their use. Dental have provided a lot of amusement in the past, but taking advantage of others' grief is scraping the bottom of the barrel now guys.
I was there for around 4 hours this afternoon. There was nothing troll intent to anything I saw... and Yes I saw dentals in a few zones and threw my own balls and Light off my own poppers in honour of Mr. Nimoy as well.
If they spoke in zone they where nothing but polite. It wasn't a funny haha troll fest it was sincere and respectful. For an hour non stop I kept one ball going at the top of the Vulcan Fountine, there was nothing disrespectful intended. God speed Mr. Nimoy.
Notice why they all avoid this? Try to derail make-up BS about people not crying at celebrations of life. I've been to funerals, wakes, celebrations of life and every single one has had people in tears. The fact is they can't give you a reason as to why they can't go to one particular instance to do this because they don't have one. It's about trolling. Anyone with an IQ over 85 can see through their lame excuses and "reasoning". Professional trolls troll. The sad part, is that nobody in Cryptic has the balls to deal with.
Your experiences are not the same as everyones. I have been to wakes that where indeed a good party. It helps when someone has led a long life filled with love and happiness.
In this case, I would venture to say no one there today KNEW Mr. Nimoy. He is a public figure and we where there to celebrate his Public life. I respect his acting, his artistic works behind the cameras both moving and still... and have even enjoyed some of his poetry. I respect the body of work he leaves behind. Hardly something we should be standing around crying about... as far as picking one zones... good luck with that. There was 25+ zones at one point and most where full. People got into the zones they got into for the most part. For the most part those of us dropping a few balls and firing a few poppers kept it away from groups of people standing at attention. No one celebrating said anything in zone other then "Thanks for the memories Mr. Nimoy" and statements of the like.
I was proud of the community today, the disco ball didn't affect me what so ever.
Nothing could have made me prouder, I shed a tear...it was an experience in a game, ill me er forget.
People may argue on what's the right way to show respect, here and in zone chat, but I was happy to see everyone I did, even the discoballers.
We ALL we're there for Nimoy, even if we showed our feelings differently. I was moved.
It restored some of my faith in humanity.
Glad to have experienced such a moving gathering.
\\//_ LLAP everyone.
I was proud of the community today, the disco ball didn't affect me what so ever.
Nothing could have made me prouder, I shed a tear...it was an experience in a game, ill me er forget.
People may argue on what's the right way to show respect, here and in zone chat, but I was happy to see everyone I did, even the discoballers.
We ALL we're there for Nimoy, even if we showed our feelings differently. I was moved.
It restored some of my faith in humanity.
Glad to have experienced such a moving gathering.
\\//_ LLAP everyone.
I'm off to watch TWOK.
Well said.
Everyone was there to honour the mans life.
People wanting to push some anti Disco ball agenda need to relax and remember the kind talented man who embraced a role we all love.
Explain "taking advantage." If you had seen my previous posts here, we were also commemorating the passing of Nimoy.
If you did want to do as you say, then why choose a shard where people were mourning their own way? Surely you could have done it anywhere, after all it was just meant to be your celebration of his life, so why do it around people who were celebrating him in a different way?
To me this sounds like trolling, you did it in a place where other people were commemorating his passing in a different way, but you chose to impose your disco balls and dancing on them.
Also, I wonder what the reaction would be if party nullifiers turned off the disco balls instead of just stopping the person using it from dancing?
You wanting to use your disco balls to party, but someone keeps following you around and turning them off. I think that would be seen as trolling, so why not the other way around?
To me this sounds like trolling, you did it in a place where other people were commemorating his passing in a different way, but you chose to impose your disco balls and dancing on them.
Exactly. Lets not kids ourselves here; when Nabreeki and his lot headed to Vulcan with their disco balls...
They did not go their to pay their respects to Leonard Nimoy
They did not go their to celebrate his life in their own way.
They went there because they knew that were going to rile up a bunch of people, and have big laugh from all of the angry reactions they were going to get. As is their modus operandi when it comes to anything in STO.
This whole "You guys are the ones being disrespectful, not us!" nonsense is old hat for them as well. They will never own up to any of the horrible things they do; their attempts at "justification" are always merely further attempts to continue poking at the victims of their nonsense and those who would call them out on it, as well as perhaps provide some smokescreen to allow them to continue getting away with such behavior even when there are GMs around.
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
As stated above, the whole "disco/anti-disco" debate here is beside the point. I'm not going to further argue my stance, because I don't really need to; to you or anyone else. Before your post, this thread was ending on a good note, so let's keep it that way.
Beside the point?! It's the topic of the thread. Don't try to dictate the thread, and avoid answering questions you know you can't answer.
You and others chose to impose your way on other people. There's no malice in what I say, it's just the truth, if you were being respectful then why not chose a different instance?
Beside the point?! It's the topic of the thread. Don't try to dictate the thread, and avoid answering questions you know you can't answer.
You and others chose to impose your way on other people. There's no malice in what I say, it's just the truth, if you were being respectful then why not chose a different instance?
We did explain this. I am also not a member of there fleet... nor do I know them in anyway other then seeing them around here and there.
There where plenty of people that choose to celebrate a wonderful life well lived this afternoon. It wasn't just them... nor where they even the majority of the people celebrating. There was 25+ instances with 80% of them filled. There was no way to transfer the 100-200 or so people of the 1500 people there at its peak into a few instances.
If you are saying you would like Cryptic to change the way instance swapping works start a new thread.
Go ahead and whine then, instead of, I don't know, actively remembering a great person for the inspiration that he was. If you want to keep the thread petty and childish, that's your prerogative. Enjoy.
I have enough energy and mental capacity to both remember Leonard Nimoy as a great actor and human being, as well as remember how you and other people like you twisted his memory, and the tragedy of his death, into yet another one of your cheap attempts at a laugh.
"There will never be enough blood to wash away my need for vengeance! A single world...I could destroy a million worlds and it would not be enough! Your existence is an insult to the memory of my people! I will continue my fight, even if I must fight alone!"
And I'm not whining I'm pointing out a fact that is yet to be answered.
TBH the disco balls don't bother me that much, (I use a PN) but I do think it's lame that people use them to troll, I think it shows a lot about that persons mentality that they are willing to do such things to other people.
Can these people honestly say they enjoy hearing the same music 100's or 1000's of times, seeing the same dance moves over and over?
Honestly, these devices should not function except during the Summer and Winter events inside the zones for those events. That is what they were created for, and that is the only place their use is acceptable.
Honestly, these devices should not function except during the Summer and Winter events inside the zones for those events. That is what they were created for, and that is the only place their use is acceptable.
Either that or give the PN an option to turn the disco ball off.
The disco ball people want to be able to influence other peoples games and characters, then why can't the people being trolled also have the same ability?
It can't be denied these things are used massively to troll people, I've seen it loads of times when people are role playing (I don't role play myself).
People might have wanted a somber, respectful mood in which to talk about and remember his life, I'd say, have characters dancing and that type of music could ruin that somber ambience.
These people could have moved to a slightly different area, but they chose not to.
Your point HAS been answered. I was one of the people that choose to celebrate Mr. Nimoys life this afternoon.
Switching zones ? What would the point of that been... so I can hear some moron scream in zone... "The Dental" guys are in Zone X now. As they did all afternoon.
I'm sorry its not we that are in the wrong on this one... it is the people that choose to make a point of it and Demand I morn as they do.
I swapped zone once... cause someone insisted on standing behind me and PMing Nasty things to me for 20 min cause I set a Ball off over the fountine none stop for one hour in remembrance... until I ignored him and swapped zones. (they where free to leave at any time there was 30 or so zones.
Your point is silly cause it doesn't work the way you insist. People are shuffled into zones when they beam down... if a zone is full or close to you can't swap to it.
To be frank... I expected more from Star Trek fans. Some of the reaction to a bit of wake style joy while we traded best wishes and stories about Mr. Nimoys life saddened me.
People being the most vocal about "troll" behaviour at a public gathering remembering Mr. Niomy where in fact following us when we did swap zones... and taking the time to send nasty PMs and call for "anti troll" behavious to X or Y zone.
Let people express there grief as they see fit... and not use the occasion to start some Anti Party Ball Crusade back up.
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Besides, aren't you the guy who said you only came back to the game because certain individuals had left? I had assumed it was this crowd that had driven you off, but now I'm curious as to what type of people really affected you so much as to stop playing.
You could try moving to an instance which doesn't already have a memorial gathering going on already.
Seems to me like that would make everyone happy.
Of course, then the forums would probably be filled with complaints about how disco balls can't stack, or something.
Shame on all of you!
ALL of this is the most blatant disrespect I have seen lately. A man who was a good and decent human being passed away today. A man who was a truly talented artist in far more ways than just being Spock has departed this existence. His family has suffered a terrible loss. His fans are now certain he will never again present new material. His friends and colleagues will no longer have the pleasure of working with him.
And you lot are in here arguing over Disco Balls and comparing each other to those crazies from Westboro Baptist and dragging out Terms of Service Sections. Just to prove your grief is bigger than the other fellows and you are being respectful in the "correct" fashion and its those other two year olds who are the problem.
Dear God! I am soo angry right now! The whole bloody lot of you make me embarrassed to tell people I am a Star Trek fan. Because if this is how 'Star Trek fans' act, then I truly wish Gene Roddenberry had never had the idea in the first place.
Tim Wilson was right - It is a sorry world. Full of sorry people. Who somehow manage to pollute this forum and STO every single day with all of this high school lunch room drama crapola.
A pox on all your houses.
I find YOU insulting and distasteful. Celebrating the life of an Actor whose work we admire in a video game based on the role he best known for... is not anywhere close to the nasty things you are comparing them to.
Please stop now and rethink what you have posted.
Wakes / Celebrations of life ect are a standard practice throughout the world including in the united states.
No one is having a party at the mans Funeral... some of us have chosen to celebrate the mans wonderful life rather then morn his passing.
That some people choose to react to that with words they feel they must &*($%$ out and compare us to distasteful hateful people is sad and offensive.
Notice why they all avoid this? Try to derail make-up BS about people not crying at celebrations of life. I've been to funerals, wakes, celebrations of life and every single one has had people in tears. The fact is they can't give you a reason as to why they can't go to one particular instance to do this because they don't have one. It's about trolling. Anyone with an IQ over 85 can see through their lame excuses and "reasoning". Professional trolls troll. The sad part, is that nobody in Cryptic has the balls to deal with.
I was there for around 4 hours this afternoon. There was nothing troll intent to anything I saw... and Yes I saw dentals in a few zones and threw my own balls and Light off my own poppers in honour of Mr. Nimoy as well.
If they spoke in zone they where nothing but polite. It wasn't a funny haha troll fest it was sincere and respectful. For an hour non stop I kept one ball going at the top of the Vulcan Fountine, there was nothing disrespectful intended. God speed Mr. Nimoy.
Your experiences are not the same as everyones. I have been to wakes that where indeed a good party. It helps when someone has led a long life filled with love and happiness.
In this case, I would venture to say no one there today KNEW Mr. Nimoy. He is a public figure and we where there to celebrate his Public life. I respect his acting, his artistic works behind the cameras both moving and still... and have even enjoyed some of his poetry. I respect the body of work he leaves behind. Hardly something we should be standing around crying about... as far as picking one zones... good luck with that. There was 25+ zones at one point and most where full. People got into the zones they got into for the most part.
You think I was born yesterday?
This whole display is to fish for reactions. And you got plenty of them. Congratulations, you succeeded. Hope you are having fun.
Nothing could have made me prouder, I shed a tear...it was an experience in a game, ill me er forget.
People may argue on what's the right way to show respect, here and in zone chat, but I was happy to see everyone I did, even the discoballers.
We ALL we're there for Nimoy, even if we showed our feelings differently. I was moved.
It restored some of my faith in humanity.
Glad to have experienced such a moving gathering.
\\//_ LLAP everyone.
I'm off to watch TWOK.
Well said.
Everyone was there to honour the mans life.
People wanting to push some anti Disco ball agenda need to relax and remember the kind talented man who embraced a role we all love.
If you did want to do as you say, then why choose a shard where people were mourning their own way? Surely you could have done it anywhere, after all it was just meant to be your celebration of his life, so why do it around people who were celebrating him in a different way?
To me this sounds like trolling, you did it in a place where other people were commemorating his passing in a different way, but you chose to impose your disco balls and dancing on them.
You wanting to use your disco balls to party, but someone keeps following you around and turning them off. I think that would be seen as trolling, so why not the other way around?
Exactly. Lets not kids ourselves here; when Nabreeki and his lot headed to Vulcan with their disco balls...
They did not go their to pay their respects to Leonard Nimoy
They did not go their to celebrate his life in their own way.
They went there because they knew that were going to rile up a bunch of people, and have big laugh from all of the angry reactions they were going to get. As is their modus operandi when it comes to anything in STO.
This whole "You guys are the ones being disrespectful, not us!" nonsense is old hat for them as well. They will never own up to any of the horrible things they do; their attempts at "justification" are always merely further attempts to continue poking at the victims of their nonsense and those who would call them out on it, as well as perhaps provide some smokescreen to allow them to continue getting away with such behavior even when there are GMs around.
Beside the point?! It's the topic of the thread. Don't try to dictate the thread, and avoid answering questions you know you can't answer.
You and others chose to impose your way on other people. There's no malice in what I say, it's just the truth, if you were being respectful then why not chose a different instance?
We did explain this. I am also not a member of there fleet... nor do I know them in anyway other then seeing them around here and there.
There where plenty of people that choose to celebrate a wonderful life well lived this afternoon. It wasn't just them... nor where they even the majority of the people celebrating. There was 25+ instances with 80% of them filled. There was no way to transfer the 100-200 or so people of the 1500 people there at its peak into a few instances.
If you are saying you would like Cryptic to change the way instance swapping works start a new thread.
Your point has been answered.
I have enough energy and mental capacity to both remember Leonard Nimoy as a great actor and human being, as well as remember how you and other people like you twisted his memory, and the tragedy of his death, into yet another one of your cheap attempts at a laugh.
A bit like how you like to troll other people.
And I'm not whining I'm pointing out a fact that is yet to be answered.
TBH the disco balls don't bother me that much, (I use a PN) but I do think it's lame that people use them to troll, I think it shows a lot about that persons mentality that they are willing to do such things to other people.
Can these people honestly say they enjoy hearing the same music 100's or 1000's of times, seeing the same dance moves over and over?
Did I say such a thing? Show me where please.
No, it has not.
These people could have moved to a slightly different area, but they chose not to.
Either that or give the PN an option to turn the disco ball off.
The disco ball people want to be able to influence other peoples games and characters, then why can't the people being trolled also have the same ability?
It can't be denied these things are used massively to troll people, I've seen it loads of times when people are role playing (I don't role play myself).
People might have wanted a somber, respectful mood in which to talk about and remember his life, I'd say, have characters dancing and that type of music could ruin that somber ambience.
Your point HAS been answered. I was one of the people that choose to celebrate Mr. Nimoys life this afternoon.
Switching zones ? What would the point of that been... so I can hear some moron scream in zone... "The Dental" guys are in Zone X now. As they did all afternoon.
I'm sorry its not we that are in the wrong on this one... it is the people that choose to make a point of it and Demand I morn as they do.
I swapped zone once... cause someone insisted on standing behind me and PMing Nasty things to me for 20 min cause I set a Ball off over the fountine none stop for one hour in remembrance... until I ignored him and swapped zones. (they where free to leave at any time there was 30 or so zones.
Your point is silly cause it doesn't work the way you insist. People are shuffled into zones when they beam down... if a zone is full or close to you can't swap to it.
To be frank... I expected more from Star Trek fans. Some of the reaction to a bit of wake style joy while we traded best wishes and stories about Mr. Nimoys life saddened me.
People being the most vocal about "troll" behaviour at a public gathering remembering Mr. Niomy where in fact following us when we did swap zones... and taking the time to send nasty PMs and call for "anti troll" behavious to X or Y zone.
Let people express there grief as they see fit... and not use the occasion to start some Anti Party Ball Crusade back up.